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Post by QuizzyBunny on Nov 7, 2016 10:47:02 GMT
Hmmm, is it me or is the argumentation starting to feel like this?
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Post by illyria on Nov 7, 2016 11:30:35 GMT
Happy N7 Day, nerds.
*goes back to romancing Sera*
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 7, 2016 12:07:41 GMT
I think you see too much into it. Edit: It's just too easy to come back after finding out what we know later about Solas and read too much into it. We usually go back to everything has Solas said and done because there's a perfetly valid reason to do so and most of the time we actually find something, since BW made a lot of good use of storytelling space, cramminv in details in every corner for us to pick. Most of the time the issue with fandom is NOT 'reading too much into things', but reaching wrong conclusions: like the fact that BW made it a point to illustrate through that 'elves are special' (her experiencing deja-vu, having ''ears pointed towards the Fade at all times', etc) take by some to mean that Sera is Andruil. And we're not even talking about something so weird, but a plausible possibilty of ancient elvhen ability that is supported by more than just interactions in ToM. Then why Solas is the only one of 'outsider elves' who is recognized by Abelas as an elf and both Sera and elf Inky he adresses as merely those who have features of elvhen? :/ You want to tell me that they went through the effort of recording differen lines and *making it a point* for Abelas to have similar remarks about only modern elves, while saving the distinction of being 'one of his own' to the elf who is... actually one of his own?:/ I'm sorry, I know people will have their opinions on this and it's cool, but for me this is very bizarre that many people choose to disregard what is obviously set up as a pretty damn big clue.
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Post by Elessara on Nov 7, 2016 12:15:56 GMT
The thing is, if there is nothing different about Solas' appearance to modern elves (other than the lack of hair), how does Abelas immediately know that he is an ancient elf such as him, whilst Lavellan is not? Okay so Lavellan has vallaslin but we know that Felassan had vallaslin. Would Abelas have refused to acknowledge him on that account? City elves do not have vallaslin. If a city elf turned up there would Abelas have treated them any differently to Lavellan? I doubt it. There seems something about Solas which allows Abelas to immediately recognise him as one of his own and he does this right at the beginning before Solas even opens his mouth. Then in case you miss that reference, he confirms it during their later exchange at the Well. May be that have a secret hand signal or something (I'm joking). I don't get this impression at all. I know exactly which lines you're interpreting in this fashion. I reviewed the scenes to make certain. I just don't agree that this is what is happening. I think you're reading way too much into their few words. I don't think there is anything to indicate that Abelas recognizes Solas as one from his own age. I could be wrong, but, meh. We could see Abelas again, down the road, if Solas is able to recruit him into his service. A more likely scenario would be that he'd reappear in Mythal's service, as he's eternally bound to her, should she choose to reveal herself or call upon her servants. We might see Abelas again but I doubt it, mostly because he can die. Unless Morrigan stabbing him doesn't actually kill him; I suppose BW could retcon that. But I honestly think that BW will avoid using characters who can die or retconning a character's death again unless they have no other choice. You know, with all of the backlash with Leliana and Wynne. I would actually like to see Abelas again though.
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Post by lovelykotori on Nov 7, 2016 12:24:45 GMT
Happy N7 Day, nerds. *goes back to romancing Sera* HAPPY N7 DAY!! Today I dreamed of the prolog from ME2, omg it was so real, but there was no garrus *sobs* Hopefully I'll dream again of ME2 tonight *cough* *also goes back romancing solas*
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Nov 7, 2016 14:08:40 GMT
Then why Solas is the only one of 'outsider elves' who is recognized by Abelas as an elf and both Sera and elf Inky he adresses as merely those who have features of elvhen? He dismisses all the group as "not his people" with an elven Quizzy. He never says anything like "only one of you here is a true elf". Not even close. Sorry, we're going to have to agree to disagree. Which is rare.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 7, 2016 14:53:01 GMT
People assume that he did. I never took Abelas's comment about the Inquisitor walking beside one of their own to be him identifying Solas as an ancient elf, but just as an elf. To me it's just another instance of the game showing that they were only going to have a human protagonist. As to his, "Elvhen such as you?" I always took that as him being a bit sarcastic. I gotta say I totally agree with this. The whole context of the conversations when meeting the ancient elves is that they don't regard modern elves as their people. This. What you see as obvious, I see as looking too much into it. We are both looking at the same conversations and interactions and coming to different conclusions. I know all the cut scenes and dialogue from the ToM very well. As I've already mentioned, 'walking beside one of our own' could be there because the Inquisitor was originally going to be human only. A Lavellan doesn't get dismissed until they try to play the race card. Sarcasm, disdain, I think Abelas meant to be insulting when he throws that line at Solas, but Solas turns it around on him. I just don't think Abelas recognized Solas right away for what he was. Later on? Sure. I don't like going in circles, I get nauseous real easy and I think it is one of the worst feelings ever, so this is all I will say on the subject. And this. Offering the same argument again and again, and then posting videos of the scenes we've all experienced many times, isn't going to change anyone's opinion. It's probably best that we agree to disagree. What you see as "obvious recognition" others of us are seeing "quite obviously" in an entirely different way. I hate to bail on juicy conversations, but I don't think this one will make real headway, and it's N7 Day, my friends. Important events are afoot.
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Post by Delphine on Nov 7, 2016 14:55:31 GMT
I thought I was doing pretty okay, slowly getting out of Solavellan hell, but then this popped up and all the feelings came flooding in again. Mess.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 7, 2016 14:58:35 GMT
I don't get this impression at all. I know exactly which lines you're interpreting in this fashion. I reviewed the scenes to make certain. I just don't agree that this is what is happening. I think you're reading way too much into their few words. I don't think there is anything to indicate that Abelas recognizes Solas as one from his own age. I could be wrong, but, meh. We could see Abelas again, down the road, if Solas is able to recruit him into his service. A more likely scenario would be that he'd reappear in Mythal's service, as he's eternally bound to her, should she choose to reveal herself or call upon her servants. We might see Abelas again but I doubt it, mostly because he can die. Unless Morrigan stabbing him doesn't actually kill him; I suppose BW could retcon that. But I honestly think that BW will avoid using characters who can die or retconning a character's death again unless they have no other choice. You know, with all of the backlash with Leliana and Wynne. I would actually like to see Abelas again though. I completely forgot about that obvious point, since I have never killed the guardians. Any appearance would be a non-weighty role, certainly, a near-cameo. He's bound to Mythal's service, and I don't think she's likely to call on elves from a world long dead anytime soon in any substantial way. Delphine , thanks for reporting that vid. I always enjoy it. The song seems to fit so well with the story at hand, and the editing is well done. I don't have emotions invested in the story, but I do enjoy it a lot. Solas is awesome, and Lavellan is a good protagonist. Edit: Damn it. ToP. Must figure out pic-posting. (My carefully chosen pics keep shrinking to embarrassing sizes. ) Have no fear, lethallin. Solas will return to make all clear, in time.
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Post by lilyenachaos on Nov 7, 2016 15:25:08 GMT
I thought I was doing pretty okay, slowly getting out of Solavellan hell, but then this popped up and all the feelings came flooding in again. Mess. There is no escape.
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Post by Delphine on Nov 7, 2016 15:50:49 GMT
There is only the illusion of escape, until it all comes back to our face at the most surprising times. I need some good recommendation for Solavellan fics! Smut can be included.
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Post by ellawyn on Nov 7, 2016 16:26:51 GMT
Anyway, new question time - what do you think your Inquisitor's relationship was with the companions in general?
I saw a post earlier on Tumblr saying that by Trespasser, the Inquisitor has "clearly" befriended all of her companions and they all care for her as deeply as a family would, and all I could think was "Lol nope, that's not how it went with my Inquisitor at all."
I at least, freely headcanon my Inquisitor as having pretty apathetic acquaintances with some of the companions (Namely Blackwall and Sera.) friendly but distant relationships with... nearly everyone else, and then actual friendship with Cassandra, Josephine, and of course Solas.
I have to admit, one thing that bothers me in fics is when the Inner Circle is portrayed as the Inky's huge family rather than a slapdash collection of coworkers who don't necessarily care for each other or their boss. Maybe because the game, IMO, didn't go a great job of making you feel like you really got to know your companions, or maybe because the feeling of having such a large group of close friends/family is unfamiliar to me personally.
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Post by Theneras on Nov 7, 2016 17:25:00 GMT
Anyway, new question time - what do you think your Inquisitor's relationship was with the companions in general? I saw a post earlier on Tumblr saying that by Trespasser, the Inquisitor has "clearly" befriended all of her companions and they all care for her as deeply as a family would, and all I could think was "Lol nope, that's not how it went with my Inquisitor at all." I at least, freely headcanon my Inquisitor as having pretty apathetic acquaintances with some of the companions (Namely Blackwall and Sera.) friendly but distant relationships with... nearly everyone else, and then actual friendship with Cassandra, Josephine, and of course Solas. I have to admit, one thing that bothers me in fics is when the Inner Circle is portrayed as the Inky's huge family rather than a slapdash collection of coworkers who don't necessarily care for each other or their boss. Maybe because the game, IMO, didn't go a great job of making you feel like you really got to know your companions, or maybe because the feeling of having such a large group of close friends/family is unfamiliar to me personally. I suppose it depends on which IQ of mine. None of them are super close to all of their companions but I would say they all at least have a respectful working relationship with them. Mia Trevelyan is closer to the Advisors, Cassandra and Varric. Cara is close to Varric and Dorian, but not so much the others aside from Solas. She brings along a warrior because she must, not because they are BFFs. The relationship is at least positive with the others, but they aren't hanging out nightly sharing drinks and deep conversations in the tavern.
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Post by forgetmenot on Nov 7, 2016 18:07:43 GMT
I thought I was doing pretty okay, slowly getting out of Solavellan hell, but then this popped up and all the feelings came flooding in again. Mess. That just shattered my heart into another million peaces. Just when i think to myself "ya know what. I'm OK. Its just a game. I can move on." I watch something likes this and it makes me feel unbelievably sad. *curls up into a ball* Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk
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Post by sugarquill on Nov 7, 2016 18:49:16 GMT
Anyway, new question time - what do you think your Inquisitor's relationship was with the companions in general? I saw a post earlier on Tumblr saying that by Trespasser, the Inquisitor has "clearly" befriended all of her companions and they all care for her as deeply as a family would, and all I could think was "Lol nope, that's not how it went with my Inquisitor at all." I at least, freely headcanon my Inquisitor as having pretty apathetic acquaintances with some of the companions (Namely Blackwall and Sera.) friendly but distant relationships with... nearly everyone else, and then actual friendship with Cassandra, Josephine, and of course Solas. I have to admit, one thing that bothers me in fics is when the Inner Circle is portrayed as the Inky's huge family rather than a slapdash collection of coworkers who don't necessarily care for each other or their boss. Maybe because the game, IMO, didn't go a great job of making you feel like you really got to know your companions, or maybe because the feeling of having such a large group of close friends/family is unfamiliar to me personally. Kira, my canon Lavellan, was on friendly (at least) terms with everyone, just maybe Viv the least (I think Viv was at least neutral to okay with Kira, as she completed her companion quest). A lot of fic shows Dorian as Lavellan's BFF, and while I think Kira was definitely close with him with a lot of hanging out in the library, her two best friends are Cass and Bull. And then she was obviously really close with Solas. Those three were also her main party.
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Post by Tanyara on Nov 7, 2016 19:50:10 GMT
This is one of my fav videos. I bet I've watched every single one on youtube^^. I keep finding new brilliant ones all the time
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Post by Panda on Nov 7, 2016 21:12:21 GMT
Anyway, new question time - what do you think your Inquisitor's relationship was with the companions in general? I saw a post earlier on Tumblr saying that by Trespasser, the Inquisitor has "clearly" befriended all of her companions and they all care for her as deeply as a family would, and all I could think was "Lol nope, that's not how it went with my Inquisitor at all." I at least, freely headcanon my Inquisitor as having pretty apathetic acquaintances with some of the companions (Namely Blackwall and Sera.) friendly but distant relationships with... nearly everyone else, and then actual friendship with Cassandra, Josephine, and of course Solas. I have to admit, one thing that bothers me in fics is when the Inner Circle is portrayed as the Inky's huge family rather than a slapdash collection of coworkers who don't necessarily care for each other or their boss. Maybe because the game, IMO, didn't go a great job of making you feel like you really got to know your companions, or maybe because the feeling of having such a large group of close friends/family is unfamiliar to me personally. Depends on who. Shifra my Lavellan doesn't make friends easy, but is pretty friendly with Solas, Dorian, Bull and Varric. She does respect Cassandra, but doesn't get along with her that well. She doesn't like Sera's dismissing Dalish and elves. But since her playthrough is still unfinished things might change. I also have Milica who is mage Trevelyan. She's besties with Vivienne, and likes Cassandra and Varric. Respected Solas, but had different opinions about magic with him. Then I have pro-chantry Inquisitor Michal. For some reason, even if I just got into Skyhold with him he's hated by most companions. And I haven't been trying to be rude or anything. Solas gave whole speech of how he wonders if Michal is aware of himself or screamin inside and got punched. Blackwall told out of blue that he dislikes him and Cole told that he doesn't like what Michal has been doing. It's kinda bafflng since I have been playing him as pro-chantry and bit anti-mage, but he hasn't really done anything bad or insulted anyone this far. .. Cassandra likes him though. I think his playthrough might become most interesting relationships-wise.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Nov 7, 2016 21:50:55 GMT
ellawynMy canon solasmancing Inquisitor had an especially warm relationship with: Solas (duh) Dorian (at first there was tension because of his comments about slaves, but then they realized they had a very similar kind of humor) Cassandra (even though they had very different personalities they came to respect each other greatly and grow close - my Inky learned a lot from her) A warm relationship with: Varric Iron Bull (she totally rode the Bull but decided that although she had enjoyed it, it just wasn't for her). Cullen A friendly relationship with: Cole Vivienne Blackwall Josephine A sometimes strained, but not unfriendly, relationship with: Sera Leliana
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 7, 2016 22:01:33 GMT
Then why Solas is the only one of 'outsider elves' who is recognized by Abelas as an elf and both Sera and elf Inky he adresses as merely those who have features of elvhen? He dismisses all the group as "not his people" with an elven Quizzy. He never says anything like "only one of you here is a true elf". Not even close. Sorry, we're going to have to agree to disagree. Which is rare. Uh... yes, Abelas TOTALLY says that: exactly when he makes a distinction between calling Sera and modern Inky "people with elf features" and Solas "one of his own". I don't really understand how can it can be claimed otherwise, but alright - I don't think I can do anything else to point out the difference. (and Abelas dismisses the Dalish as his people. He even refers to them as "shadows wearing vallaslin".) And don't worry, I won't be pushing that further.
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 7, 2016 22:20:46 GMT
Anyway, new question time - what do you think your Inquisitor's relationship was with the companions in general? I saw a post earlier on Tumblr saying that by Trespasser, the Inquisitor has "clearly" befriended all of her companions and they all care for her as deeply as a family would, and all I could think was "Lol nope, that's not how it went with my Inquisitor at all." I at least, freely headcanon my Inquisitor as having pretty apathetic acquaintances with some of the companions (Namely Blackwall and Sera.) friendly but distant relationships with... nearly everyone else, and then actual friendship with Cassandra, Josephine, and of course Solas. I have to admit, one thing that bothers me in fics is when the Inner Circle is portrayed as the Inky's huge family rather than a slapdash collection of coworkers who don't necessarily care for each other or their boss. Maybe because the game, IMO, didn't go a great job of making you feel like you really got to know your companions, or maybe because the feeling of having such a large group of close friends/family is unfamiliar to me personally. Well, I suppose this is really a matter of headcanon - they've made it possible after all to make friends or enemies (or at the very least people who don't really think about Inky well enough), so a scenario in which Inquisitor befriends everyone to the point where they can be called family refers to specific world-state with maxed out approvals. As for me... usually I have a tendency to befriend everyone - at least on gameplay level. But how they relations are in-story differs depending on which Inky I play. Sometimes it's deep friendship, sometimes it's grudging respect, sometimes it's this bizarre love-hate relationship. So really, it varies. What I do wonder about is how DAI relationships will influence the story of DA4. Obviously whether they treat Inky as family or not, befriended companions with their quests completed will likely do a lot for Inky, even if out of sense of loyalty or debt. Theoretically it *could* matter in DA4, given both hints thrown at DA4 being a close continuation of DAI and DA Keep keeping neat records on who we befriended and whether we've completed their quests... but it might as well that they won't focus much on it anyhow, given that we're likely moving North, and leaving a lot behind.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 7, 2016 22:30:57 GMT
My Atisha Lavellan, a mage,(Solas romance) felt close to Dorian from the moment they travelled through time together, so he was definitely her BFF. She admired and respected Cassandra, which is why she voted for her as Divine (and got her wish). She liked Varric but was rather surprised when he showered her with gifts in Trespasser. She always liked Cole but didn't necessarily feel close to him (then again he was more spirit like by the end). The rest of them were really nothing more than colleagues that she worked with. She never got on with Sera and she couldn't stand Vivienne.
By contrast Enavir Lavellan, archer,(Dorian romance) was good friends with Cassandra and Varric. He felt a connection with Cole having done Champions of the Just and ended up with him being more human. He looked upon Sera as a rather annoying (at times)younger sister but nevertheless did enjoy letting his guard down with her, having pranks and sharing cookies. He had a really good relationship with Lace Harding. Beyond that group of people, once again the others were more people he respected through working with them but didn't think himself particularly close to them. He thought of Solas as a friend until he learned what he was planning to do to the world, after which he wondered if he'd ever really known him at all.
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Post by ellawyn on Nov 8, 2016 1:37:48 GMT
Kira, my canon Lavellan, was on friendly (at least) terms with everyone, just maybe Viv the least (I think Viv was at least neutral to okay with Kira, as she completed her companion quest). A lot of fic shows Dorian as Lavellan's BFF, and while I think Kira was definitely close with him with a lot of hanging out in the library, her two best friends are Cass and Bull. And then she was obviously really close with Solas. Those three were also her main party. Yeah, my Lavellan was never great friends with Dorian either. Not unfriendly with him, but I personally just found his character very "meh." I guess people tend to like him because he's got the standard David Gaider humor, but humor alone's never been enough to endear me to a character. The first time I stumbled into his max-approval cut scene where he's like "You are my friend - perhaps my greatest/only/whatever he calls you." I imagined my Lavellan just being like "???? Okay man sure." It just seemed so out of left field for me, like I hardly got to know him at all. I like to think my Lavellan was fairly close to Cole as well, but I hesitate to call him a dear friend of hers. It's not like you can really confide in him since all of his... Cole-ness. What I do wonder about is how DAI relationships will influence the story of DA4. Obviously whether they treat Inky as family or not, befriended companions with their quests completed will likely do a lot for Inky, even if out of sense of loyalty or debt. Theoretically it *could* matter in DA4, given both hints thrown at DA4 being a close continuation of DAI and DA Keep keeping neat records on who we befriended and whether we've completed their quests... but it might as well that they won't focus much on it anyhow, given that we're likely moving North, and leaving a lot behind. With the exception of Solas and maybe Dorian, I doubt companion approval will matter much in DA4, beyond the occasional perfunctory side mention. None of the companions besides those aforementioned two will be very important going forward, me thinks. And historically, unimportant companions rarely show up outside of small cameos, if they even get that. If we do get to play the Inky again, things might be different. But going purely on BW's past record, it's unlikely.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Nov 8, 2016 20:00:50 GMT
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