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CapricornSun I await your daily art posts with such impatience every day! Thank you for still doing it even after all this time.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 17, 2016 19:26:13 GMT
I'm from UK and for me Widdle and Piddle meant taking a pee. The is even a river in Dorset called the River Piddle (the mind boggles how it got its name) It's why I found Sera's name for Dagna rather peculiar, both because of the meaning for me and the fact that on the whole only young children would use the term.
I can't imagine Briala having anything to do with Solas, even if she was into guys, because of what he did to Felassan. Even if Solas didn't let on to her, Cole spills the beans on that one. I think once she heard what Cole said, Briala would be on side for tracking Solas down and stopping him. To be honest, I'd be more interested to know how he got the eluvians back from her and if it wasn't done by trickery but simply taking back control, how Briala would have reacted to the discovery.
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Post by phoray on Nov 17, 2016 19:43:28 GMT
I'm from UK and for me Widdle and Piddle meant taking a pee. The is even a river in Dorset called the River Piddle (the mind boggles how it got its name) It's why I found Sera's name for Dagna rather peculiar, both because of the meaning for me and the fact that on the whole only young children would use the term. I can't imagine Briala having anything to do with Solas, even if she was into guys, because of what he did to Felassan. Even if Solas didn't let on to her, Cole spills the beans on that one. I think once she heard what Cole said, Briala would be on side for tracking Solas down and stopping him. To be honest, I'd be more interested to know how he got the eluvians back from her and if it wasn't done by trickery but simply taking back control, how Briala would have reacted to the discovery. I heard the line. I read the book. Still didn't see the Falessan connection until someone really spelled it on on here. Would Briala even listen to Cole?
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Post by Elessara on Nov 17, 2016 21:53:37 GMT
For #6 .... I think you're thinking of the word "piddle"; usually "widdle" is adult-baby-talk for "little" "Widdle" and "Piddle" can be synonymous in the UK. Although both terms are only ever really used as adult-baby-talk for parents asking if their lil'luns need to go. Does make Sera's pet nickname for Dagna a little weird, when you think about it? Sorry, was thinking like a typical American ... things only mean what they mean here in the U.S., of course! =p Feel free to smack me - just not hard, I bruise easily. But yes, if we're going from a British viewpoint (and we should, considering Sera is Ferelden) then yeah, it's more than a little weird. Although, Sera's writer may be American or Canadian so that might explain the oddity.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Nov 17, 2016 22:14:32 GMT
"Widdle" and "Piddle" can be synonymous in the UK. Although both terms are only ever really used as adult-baby-talk for parents asking if their lil'luns need to go. Does make Sera's pet nickname for Dagna a little weird, when you think about it? Sorry, was thinking like a typical American ... things only mean what they mean here in the U.S., of course! =p Feel free to smack me - just not hard, I bruise easily. But yes, if we're going from a British viewpoint (and we should, considering Sera is Ferelden) then yeah, it's more than a little weird. Although, Sera's writer may be American or Canadian so that might explain the oddity. Crisps are chips and chips are fries. Dadgummit. [
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Nov 18, 2016 1:50:18 GMT
I just can't jump on the band wagon of "Joining Solas in his task." That'd be a bit too much like Utha and the Architect to me. I can't either. I love the answer he gives when you propose it -- it has a lot of pathos and the voice acting is superb -- but there is no way my Inquisitor would ever say that. She's spent several years by that point working very hard to make the world a little better and safer for everyone. No way she'll throw all that away. And the way Solas talks about the consequences of taking the veil down just makes her blood run cold. She saw what happened to Arlathan, and she saw what the explosion at the conclave did. *snip* I did choose the "Let me help you" option but my Lavellan did that not because she actually wants to help him destroy the world (she doesn't) but because she hoped that if she were able to stay with him, she might be able to talk some sense into him or help him come up with a less destructive way of doing things*. I like to think he misinterpreted her intentions when he replies that he can't "do that to" her. ETA * And, considering that in one of the other conversational paths you can have with him, he does suggest that the Inquisitor in his/her wisdom could talk him out of his plans, I don't think this is so far-fetched an idea! Team optimism!
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Nov 18, 2016 1:59:43 GMT
*snip* 6. I preferred Dagna in DAO. Also, doesn't 'Widdle' mean 'pee'? No, that's "piddle." Oh dear... British localization obviously never occurred to BioWare! ToP ETA... No art seems to exist that is quite topical, but there is this quote: Sera: “You can make magic anywhere, Solas? Ever piss it by accident?” Solas: “No. Wait… no.” Sera: “What? How would you not remember something like that?” Solas: “We were all young once.” I almost want to challenge the thread to comb the internet for an image of Solas pissing magic. Almost.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 18, 2016 18:40:19 GMT
Taking the elven response when responding to Solas is even more annoying if you are not romancing him. He turns around and says there is no glory on his path, as though that is what my guy is about. He's not after glory and making a name for himself but helping his people. As others have said, I was hoping for the option to say, I want to help but not your way. What really annoyed me after meeting Solas was that I had held out such hopes for what might be possible in the future with the aid of the eluvians and now all those hopes were dashed and I was going to have to focus on simply changing his mind or killing him. I wanted to yell those words back at him that he used on Dorian: "If you are truly sorry about the past then free the slaves OF ALL RACES". Unlike Dorian I reckon the Solas could have pulled that one off with the magic and eluvians at his disposal. Still may be it is better if that is done by conventional means, just to show Solas what the modern races are capable of.
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 18, 2016 21:54:34 GMT
Taking the elven response when responding to Solas is even more annoying if you are not romancing him. He turns around and says there is no glory on his path, as though that is what my guy is about. He's not after glory and making a name for himself but helping his people. As others have said, I was hoping for the option to say, I want to help but not your way. What really annoyed me after meeting Solas was that I had held out such hopes for what might be possible in the future with the aid of the eluvians and now all those hopes were dashed and I was going to have to focus on simply changing his mind or killing him. I wanted to yell those words back at him that he used on Dorian: "If you are truly sorry about the past then free the slaves OF ALL RACES". Unlike Dorian I reckon the Solas could have pulled that one off with the magic and eluvians at his disposal. Still may be it is better if that is done by conventional means, just to show Solas what the modern races are capable of. I don't really think Solas only means 'glory' in terms of heroism or rewards. I think he mostly says that the whole thing will be ugly as hell and will end up especially bad for Solas, and anyone who tries and change the course of things. Also, there is an option to tell Solas that destroying modern Thedas is not the answer.
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Post by illyria on Nov 18, 2016 23:55:11 GMT
I wish we got to see that growth. She didn't seem to change at all by the end of the Inquisition and then suddenly grew in Trespasser. I thought that her whole shtick was more of to show that some people don't change and that the reason why she changed was because of the backlash she got from fans. edit: The difference between Blackwall and Sera is that I felt he was trying to fix his mistakes and wanted to be a better person. With Sera, it didn't seem like she gave a crap about seeing another point of view, or getting over her own elfy issues. Uh, the whole point of 'roof scene' was her coming out of her shell and learning/accepting some things - literally. She even says so herself ("suppose it's not really about them... I hate learning lessons"). Sera does so in her peculiar way, but she does it. (speaking of rooftop scene, it strikes ma that I find yet another similarity between Sera and Solas - Sera expected rejection outright, to a point where she doesn't register at first that Inquisitor accepted her 'symbolic cookies baking' and starts going on a tangent on how stupid that idea is. I don't really think she even knew at this point how it is to be fully accepted, by pretty much anybody :/... All she ever received was rejection or acceptance with a large caveat, it seems)What I find quite interesting during the roof scene is that I Am The One is playing, which is a song implied to be about Solas. Solas Confessions 1. I actually found Solas really annoying during my first playthrough (yes, I was romancing him) 2. My Inquisitor never once thought Solas broke up with her over Vallaslin. WTF. DAI Confessions 1. I really didn't try that hard to understood what Sera was saying 2. Whenever someone calls their Inquisitor 'Inky' I always picture a Dalish elf, who during their vallaslin ceremony, just had a whole bottle of ink poured over their head. 3. I guessed Blackwall's secret the first time I talked to him. 4. When Blackwall and Dorian bicker, I imagine their moustaches jumping off their faces and fighting each other. 5. I think Cassandra is too nice sometimes, and I don't like it. 6. I preferred Dagna in DAO. Also, doesn't 'Widdle' mean 'pee'? 7. I still don't understand how Tranquils can have a preference for anything 8. I seriously think DAI Cullen needs a tan Widdle means 'tiny'. And Inky is the nickname that Sera gives to a romanced Inquistor. One of the nicknames. -- Happy Second Birthday, DAI!
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Post by ellawyn on Nov 19, 2016 0:37:53 GMT
Uh, the whole point of 'roof scene' was her coming out of her shell and learning/accepting some things - literally. She even says so herself ("suppose it's not really about them... I hate learning lessons"). Sera does so in her peculiar way, but she does it. (speaking of rooftop scene, it strikes ma that I find yet another similarity between Sera and Solas - Sera expected rejection outright, to a point where she doesn't register at first that Inquisitor accepted her 'symbolic cookies baking' and starts going on a tangent on how stupid that idea is. I don't really think she even knew at this point how it is to be fully accepted, by pretty much anybody :/... All she ever received was rejection or acceptance with a large caveat, it seems)What I find quite interesting during the roof scene is that I Am The One is playing, which is a song implied to be about Solas. Is that song about Solas? Someone told me that once and I went to look at the lyrics, but I remember thinking they sounded like they could apply to... nearly everyone, really. It's a pretty generic hero song, as I recall. Didn't it play during the end credits during Origins? I dunno, maybe my memory of the lyrics is just rusty.
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 19, 2016 1:07:59 GMT
What I find quite interesting during the roof scene is that I Am The One is playing, which is a song implied to be about Solas. Is that song about Solas? Someone told me that once and I went to look at the lyrics, but I remember thinking they sounded like they could apply to... nearly everyone, really. It's a pretty generic hero song, as I recall. Didn't it play during the end credits during Origins? I dunno, maybe my memory of the lyrics is just rusty. "I am the one who can recall what was lost, I am the one who will live on" applies to everyone ?
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Post by ellawyn on Nov 19, 2016 2:29:53 GMT
Is that song about Solas? Someone told me that once and I went to look at the lyrics, but I remember thinking they sounded like they could apply to... nearly everyone, really. It's a pretty generic hero song, as I recall. Didn't it play during the end credits during Origins? I dunno, maybe my memory of the lyrics is just rusty. "I am the one who can recall what was lost, I am the one who will live on" applies to everyone ? Sure. The Dalish, Cousland, the dwarves, Hawke, Merrill, Alistair. All of these are people who lost something that only they - or maybe a few select others - will remember. And all of them "live on" from some great loss or calamity, usually the one that took these things away from them in the first place. I mean, what's that line really saying? "I will remember things that are no longer here, with the implication being that I remember them because I am the sole survivor of their loss." That applies to a shit ton of people, really. Who's going to recall the wardens who died in Ostagar? Alistair. Who's going to remember Carver and Bethany and Leandra? Hawke. Who's going to remember the Couslands, the Sabrae Clan, House Cadash, etc, etc? We've had countless characters and companions who have suffered the loss of their family, friends, or culture. Solas is only one of them.
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 19, 2016 2:54:33 GMT
"I am the one who can recall what was lost, I am the one who will live on" applies to everyone ? Sure. The Dalish, Cousland, the dwarves, Hawke, Merrill, Alistair. All of these are people who lost something that only they - or maybe a few select others - will remember. And all of them "live on" from some great loss or calamity, usually the one that took these things away from them in the first place. I mean, what's that line really saying? "I will remember things that are no longer here, with the implication being that I remember them because I am the sole survivor of their loss." That applies to a shit ton of people, really. Who's going to recall the wardens who died in Ostagar? Alistair. Who's going to remember Carver and Bethany and Leandra? Hawke. Who's going to remember the Couslands, the Sabrae Clan, House Cadash, etc, etc? We've had countless characters and companions who have suffered the loss of their family, friends, or culture. Solas is only one of them. It'd make sense if the lyric was "what I lost" and if the whole song didn't sound so apocalyptic. As it is, in context, these things you mention seem too small and personal, especially in context of implied scope in the song. Besides - you can't bring "countless characters", and especially groups of people, when the song is titled " I am the ONE" and if it has specific lyrics like "Where's the one who'll guide us into the night?" or "What's begun is the war that will force this divide. What's to come is fire and the end of time." Honestly, the two character this song fits the most so far is Solas... or Flemythal. And we don't really know what happened to Flemythal.
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Post by ellawyn on Nov 19, 2016 3:43:58 GMT
Sure. The Dalish, Cousland, the dwarves, Hawke, Merrill, Alistair. All of these are people who lost something that only they - or maybe a few select others - will remember. And all of them "live on" from some great loss or calamity, usually the one that took these things away from them in the first place. I mean, what's that line really saying? "I will remember things that are no longer here, with the implication being that I remember them because I am the sole survivor of their loss." That applies to a shit ton of people, really. Who's going to recall the wardens who died in Ostagar? Alistair. Who's going to remember Carver and Bethany and Leandra? Hawke. Who's going to remember the Couslands, the Sabrae Clan, House Cadash, etc, etc? We've had countless characters and companions who have suffered the loss of their family, friends, or culture. Solas is only one of them. It'd make sense if the lyric was "what I lost" and if the whole song didn't sound so apocalyptic. As it is, in context, these things you mention seem too small and personal, especially in context of implied scope in the song. Besides - you can't bring "countless characters", and especially groups of people, when the song is titled " I am the ONE" and if it has specific lyrics like "Where's the one who'll guide us into the night?" or "What's begun is the war that will force this divide. What's to come is fire and the end of time." Honestly, the two character this song fits the most so far is Solas... or Flemythal. And we don't really know what happened to Flemythal. Okay, just checked the lyrics and - If that's how you choose to interpret it, sure. It's so vague that neither of us can really be right or wrong. All I'm saying is, since it's been in all three games (When Solas has only be integral for one) and since Dragon Age's story is a communal one built off the narratives of many different characters and protagonists, I feel like it's universally applicable. Who's the one who will lead us into the night? The Inquisitor, who does so almost literally after Haven. Who's ran through fields of pain? The Warden, who survived a battlefield slaughter and everything else that followed. Who can recall what's been lost? Hawke, who lost almost everything right at the beginning of the game. Who will live on? Solas, and Cassandra, and Sera, and Zevran and basically everyone else. Everyone's lost something. Everyone's endured pain. Everyone's walked into danger. and Everyone's fought to see it through. The story of Dragon Age, as whole, is about every "one" of them, not a singular character. That's where the massive scope comes from. Because it includes and references so many people. But again, that's just my takeaway, and you have yours but, to be honest, I just don't see conclusive proof that that's what it's about. I don't see conclusive proof for my interpretation either. The song's so vague that neither can be proven or disproven. (Shrug) So, go with whatever you like.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 4:20:33 GMT
Wasn't that one of the questions posed to Gaider, or was it Weekes? and they confirmed it was about Solas? I remember that being something when Inquisition was dropping and people linked 'I am the One' to Inquisitor but after release the devs were able to confirm that it was meant for Solas. Or do I just have selective memory? (Entirely possible )
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 19, 2016 4:29:28 GMT
It'd make sense if the lyric was "what I lost" and if the whole song didn't sound so apocalyptic. As it is, in context, these things you mention seem too small and personal, especially in context of implied scope in the song. Besides - you can't bring "countless characters", and especially groups of people, when the song is titled " I am the ONE" and if it has specific lyrics like "Where's the one who'll guide us into the night?" or "What's begun is the war that will force this divide. What's to come is fire and the end of time." Honestly, the two character this song fits the most so far is Solas... or Flemythal. And we don't really know what happened to Flemythal. Okay, just checked the lyrics and - If that's how you choose to interpret it, sure. It's so vague that neither of us can really be right or wrong. All I'm saying is, since it's been in all three games (When Solas has only be integral for one) But that's the thing. Solas is NOT integral for one game - he's integral to entire overarching plot, even if only by the virtue of fact that he has basically created modern Thedas *and* is one of the few remaining who has intimate knowledge of the world long gone, including secrets of those who called themselves gods. Not to mention that his eventual return has basically been built up since the first game...
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 19, 2016 10:23:54 GMT
I don't recall any reference to Fen'Harel or anyone else from the elven pantheon returning since the first game. It is true the Dalish had a belief that if they remembered what is was to be true elves, then their gods would return, but actually they got that a bit back to front because they will only remember what it is to be a true elf if the Veil is dropped (assuming they survive) and their gods will return regardless of any action or memory on their part.
This would only apply to Solas if you consider he is the Maker that Andraste encountered, since it is his return that has been built up since the first game, the lore of the Chantry chiefly concerns the world as it has been since the creation of the Veil and the southern Chantry is based off a "vision" allegedly given to Drakon by Andraste/the Maker of the end of the world.
There is also that strange little prophesy of Sandal in DA2 that could mean anything or nothing, depending on the direction the plot takes from now on.
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Post by javeart on Nov 19, 2016 13:36:51 GMT
Hi , I used to visit this thread regularly after dai release, and I'm starting to do it again, up until now I was only lurking and since I remember here were all/most of the leven lore experts and now that gervaise21 have mention Solas being the Maker that spoke to Andraste, I was thinking about asking all of you, where are we standing now about Elven Gods? I mean, that instance, Solas being "the Maker", I always thought that made sense, but it didn't know it was confirmed or heavily hinted yet, is it? where and how? And also, is there any new information or good theories about the true nature of elven gods? what are they? what sets them up aart from the rest of the ancient elves? I've always though they would be some sort of "abominations" (as in some sort of blend between spirit and corporeal being) but in a rather ground-less kind of way I always thought that the theory of them being somethinkg like Cole made sense too.. Or are they supposed to be just powerful mages? And what about their inmortality? Why are they harder to kill than any other ancient elf? Because of the technique of putting a little bit of them in different places, or something else? What is with them and dragons, are they just shapeshifters or is something more like the Hakkon, or both? And what has supposedly happen to Mythal? I thought it was clear that Solas had killed her for the second time (because of his line about it in Trespasser), but reading you now I get the feeling it's not? I'd appreciate it if someone can put me up to speed of what is most commonly believed now for those who know more about lore Edit: also, in my lore ignorant kind of way, I sense there's room for good theories about elven gods and their relationship with titans... I'm thinking they may come up with some paralell between them and the war between olimpic gods and titans in greek mythology,though I don't much to sustaine it... I'm also starting to take as granted de thte void is the underground where de archdemons are, that earth, fade and void make some kind of circular space... I don't know... Do we know something about that? Or are any good speculations about the void and all? I mean, some people thought back then that the blight might come from the void, and I totally bought it I''m asking a lot, I know , but, I appreciate it if someone can take the time or even point to somewhere I can read about this kind of thing I meann, going a little beyond the facts that one can get from the wiki
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Post by javeart on Nov 19, 2016 13:45:28 GMT
sorry, double post,i screw it
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