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Post by Sifr on Nov 21, 2016 4:16:01 GMT
Pulling off good time travel in a story is difficult and I don't think IHW managed it entirely, although I did enjoy it for the most part.
Alexius' time-magic could provide an interesting background for a character or companion though. How about a former Venatori haunted by memories of the Dark Future, sent back as one of Alexius' attempts to undo the events at the Conclave, but instead choosing to use that opportunity to flee?
Imagine you were the only person who remembered the end of the world during a year that never happened? It would definitely leave you feeling extremely disassociated and make it extremely hard to relate to people, even those you knew from before. Plus you'd have to deal with the guilt of the deaths you were partially responsible for, even if those people are now alive again since it never actually happened.
Sort of the Dragon Age equivalent of Trunks in DBZ, Kitty Pryde in Days of Future Past, or Old Man Logan.
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 21, 2016 5:07:43 GMT
If you side with the mages instead of the Templars, I feel that it was quite strongly suggested in the game that Fiona was magically influenced to make that decision. Fiona: What has brought you to Redcliffe? Inquisitor: We're here because of your invitation back in Val Royeaux. Fiona: You must be mistaken. I haven't been to Val Royeaux since before the Conclave. Inquisitor: If it wasn't you who invited me here, who was it? Fiona: I... I don't know. Now that you say it, I feel strange. Whoever... or whatever... brought you here, the situation has changed. The free mages have already pledged themselves to the services of the Tevinter Imperium. [The conversation then continues with her explanation that she is indentured to a Magister so she can't negotiate, etc.] I think some people assume it's the wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff that contribute to Fiona's confusion, but Redcliffe at this point is still in the normal timeline. So I think she came to Redcliffe after meeting you at Val Royeaux, and was ambushed by Alexius or his cronies at this point, who influenced her mind to submit to Alexius, and made her forget that she had spoken to the Inquisitor in Val Royeaux. Redcliff is not quite "in the normal timeline", as you say. Alexis went back in time and altered Fiona's personal timeline by establishing the alliance before she met the Inquisitor in Val Royeaux. Apparently, some residual memory or sense of wrongness remained. Between "Asunder", her in-game explanations for her actions, and all in-game context, I'd say it's pretty clear she was not under the effects of blood magic. She willingly allied with Tevinter. I'm not sure if she was under influence of Blood magic - especially considering that as a mage Warden she might have known some tricks for it. But we do know of a demon that has allied himself with Corypheus and eventually let him influence actions of nearly all Orlesian Wardens, 'simply' by stoking fear in their minds. Fiona, it would seem, has also been overcame with fear over what will happen with the mages, especially given the declarations of Lucius Corin (who, at that time, was already in cahoots with Cory). But, to be fair... do we really need magic idiot balls to sometimes explain how people, even those who are relatively smart, can act like idiots, especially if under stress or ? People just have to look at our world, or its history to see that we make questionable decisions at all times.
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 21, 2016 5:13:25 GMT
Pulling off good time travel in a story is difficult and I don't think IHW managed it entirely, although I did enjoy it for the most part. Alexius' time-magic could provide an interesting background for a character or companion though. How about a former Venatori haunted by memories of the Dark Future, sent back as one of Alexius' attempts to undo the events at the Conclave, but instead choosing to use that opportunity to flee? Imagine you were the only person who remembered the end of the world during a year that never happened? It would definitely leave you feeling extremely disassociated and make it extremely hard to relate to people, even those you knew from before. Plus you'd have to deal with the guilt of the deaths you were partially responsible for, even if those people are now alive again since it never actually happened. ... Isn't that sort of Inquisitor's (and Dorian's) territory? Anyway, I think time-travel scenario was mostly there to show that time becomes 'malleable' after the Veil is damaged and Fade melds with the world. And while I really don't buy that Solas plans to basically time-travel back to times he wants to reinstate, manipulating or changing flow of time it in some way is likely on the table.
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sneaking back in with another art post young painter solas looks at his own work in progress; Solas Slightly Disapproves
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Post by forgetmenot on Nov 21, 2016 8:06:46 GMT
I've always assumed that Fiona realised that she'd made a really stupid mistake so sought out the Inquisition on her own to try and get them to Redcliffe to help her out of her mess. She's obvs not going to say outright what she'd done because it could convince the Inquisition to go after the Templars instead. As for her playing dumb when we get there, there is a divide between the Mages, some who like the alliance and some who don't. I thought she had to pretend it wasn't her so that no one ratted her out to Alexius. But she needed the Inquisition there so that they could see what was happening for themselves. I suppose there is no right or wrong answer..
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Post by forgetmenot on Nov 21, 2016 8:14:10 GMT
I liked IHW. I felt it was powerful in the way you saw your companions sacrifice themselves. Leiliana's last fight always gives me goosebumps. I always view that quest as a big part in my characters development. I always take Solas with me and its after this quest my Lavellan realises how much she likes him. She saw him die for her. It always makes me sad when you see the Demon throw his dead body aside I always take Blackwall as well. She becomes good friends with him afterwards. It makes her see Leiliana in a different light too.
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Post by Lulupab on Nov 21, 2016 8:21:20 GMT
Yeah, there are so many unknowns in Redcliff. I wish Solas was more informative there like he always is.
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Post by rowrow on Nov 21, 2016 8:34:25 GMT
Pulling off good time travel in a story is difficult and I don't think IHW managed it entirely, although I did enjoy it for the most part. Alexius' time-magic could provide an interesting background for a character or companion though. How about a former Venatori haunted by memories of the Dark Future, sent back as one of Alexius' attempts to undo the events at the Conclave, but instead choosing to use that opportunity to flee? Imagine you were the only person who remembered the end of the world during a year that never happened? It would definitely leave you feeling extremely disassociated and make it extremely hard to relate to people, even those you knew from before. Plus you'd have to deal with the guilt of the deaths you were partially responsible for, even if those people are now alive again since it never actually happened. ... Isn't that sort of Inquisitor's (and Dorian's) territory? Anyway, I think time-travel scenario was mostly there to show that time becomes 'malleable' after the Veil is damaged and Fade melds with the world. And while I really don't buy that Solas plans to basically time-travel back to times he wants to reinstate, manipulating or changing flow of time it in some way is likely on the table. I enjoyed many aspects of IHW, but honestly I'm kind of annoyed that time travel now exists in DA. The thing about time travel is that once you make it possible, it's so difficult not to keep going there. There are so many in-universe reasons why people would want to pursue it. It'd be at least as attractive as blood magic. Even if only one mage in a billion was capable of pulling it off, even if it was so rare and difficult that we don't end up with timeline spaghetti and timeline soup ... it can still only happen so many times before it starts to feel cheap, IMO. Especially when you're popping in and out of doomsday scenarios like we did in IWH, with no discernible long-term emotional consequences for the audience. It's as annoying as realising 'everything was a dream' at the end. I'm really hoping that whatever Solas ends up doing re. the Veil, it'll slam the door shut on future timeline shenanigans. (But what if someone within the time-travel-viable period goes back in time and stops him? )
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Post by javeart on Nov 21, 2016 9:00:57 GMT
I never really thought about it, but I now I totally see time-travel coming back, because as rowrow said, once is there, it's hard not to go there again. It would be different if the technique would have died with Alexius, but Dorian knows how to do it too and he is surely coming back. He's not the kind of guy who's going to use such a dangerous magic just because, but, of course, if we're facing the end of the world... I'm not a fan of time-travel either, I find it messy from a narrative point of view... But, if time-travel was the way not to kill solas, I'll try not think much about it all, and take it (better though if he could just change his mind )
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Post by ellawyn on Nov 21, 2016 11:17:17 GMT
Old IT. It still has its fans. Those were dark days for nearly everyone. Jeez, tell me about it. I can appreciate what the writers were trying to go with In Hushed Whispers from a narrative standpoint. They wanted to establish consequences, to show why it'd be a Really Bad Thing if Cory succeeded. But I just really, really wish they didn't have to introduce time travel to do it. Or have characters make dumb decisions. Redcliff is not quite "in the normal timeline", as you say. Alexis went back in time and altered Fiona's personal timeline by establishing the alliance before she met the Inquisitor in Val Royeaux. Apparently, some residual memory or sense of wrongness remained. Between "Asunder", her in-game explanations for her actions, and all in-game context, I'd say it's pretty clear she was not under the effects of blood magic. She willingly allied with Tevinter. But, to be fair... do we really need magic idiot balls to sometimes explain how people, even those who are relatively smart, can act like idiots, especially if under stress or ? People just have to look at our world, or its history to see that we make questionable decisions at all times. Sure, it happens all the time IRL. But that's not a great justification. You can find plenty of real-life examples of people dying from unrelated causes or diseases without completing their great work, but if the Inquisitor dropped off from a case of smallpox halfway through the game and their story was left abandoned, I'd still call bullshit, regardless of how realistic it is. Stories are only supposed to prioritize realism to a point. Quality writing should always take precedence.
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Post by javeart on Nov 21, 2016 12:03:20 GMT
ok, forgive me because for al of you this is really old (that's what I get for staying away fro the forums for so so long), but I read the other day that it was believed that solas was mythal guardian and not an equal I was like so I've searched a little, I found the reasoning, it makes a lot of sense, and I really love it, particularly when tied to the idea of him being a spirit wisdom bound to Mythal. Really love it, even more than the rebel god thing, which I already liked a lot. I needed to say it, even if it's a year late If he was really bound to Mythal, it's curious too that all of our male elves companions (which, are all my canon LI, btw) would be now some kind of escaped, rebel slaves
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Post by Elessara on Nov 21, 2016 12:10:28 GMT
I never really thought about it, but I now I totally see time-travel coming back, because as rowrow said, once is there, it's hard not to go there again. It would be different if the technique would have died with Alexius, but Dorian knows how to do it too and he is surely coming back. He's not the kind of guy who's going to use such a dangerous magic just because, but, of course, if we're facing the end of the world... I'm not a fan of time-travel either, I find it messy from a narrative point of view... But, if time-travel was the way not to kill solas, I'll try not think much about it all, and take it (better though if he could just change his mind ) Well, so far as we are currently aware - or rather so far as Alexius was able to be determined - time magic is/was only viable during the "lifetime" of the Breach itself. He was never able to travel to before it happened to stop Lavellan at the Conclave as Corypheus demanded nor was he able to travel to before Felix contracted the Blight. One could hope that with the Breach no longer there that time magic is, once again, no longer possible. Or the Breach permanently messed up something fundamental with the Veil so time magic is still possible, you just can't travel to before the Breach's creation. All of this could change of course - Solas is more powerful and knowledgeable than Alexius so he might figure out a way to do it - or someone else could figure out how. But as with most other people here I hope they don't pull the time magic card again. It really just confuses things.
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Post by Elessara on Nov 21, 2016 12:16:40 GMT
Old IT. It still has its fans. Those were dark days for nearly everyone. Jeez, tell me about it. I can appreciate what the writers were trying to go with In Hushed Whispers from a narrative standpoint. They wanted to establish consequences, to show why it'd be a Really Bad Thing if Cory succeeded. But I just really, really wish they didn't have to introduce time travel to do it. Or have characters make dumb decisions. But, to be fair... do we really need magic idiot balls to sometimes explain how people, even those who are relatively smart, can act like idiots, especially if under stress or ? People just have to look at our world, or its history to see that we make questionable decisions at all times. Sure, it happens all the time IRL. But that's not a great justification. You can find plenty of real-life examples of people dying from unrelated causes or diseases without completing their great work, but if the Inquisitor dropped off from a case of smallpox halfway through the game and their story was left abandoned, I'd still call bullshit, regardless of how realistic it is. Stories are only supposed to prioritize realism to a point. Quality writing should always take precedence. The Warden slips on some stairs, falls down them and breaks their neck ... Hawke eats a bad piece of meat and dies from food poisoning ... the Inquisitor contracts smallpox ... the next protagonist will get run over by wagon because the driver wasn't paying attention ...
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Post by javeart on Nov 21, 2016 12:18:53 GMT
Well, so far as we are currently aware - or rather so far as Alexius was able to be determined - time magic is/was only viable during the "lifetime" of the Breach itself. He was never able to travel to before it happened to stop Lavellan at the Conclave as Corypheus demanded nor was he able to travel to before Felix contracted the Blight. One could hope that with the Breach no longer there that time magic is, once again, no longer possible. Or the Breach permanently messed up something fundamental with the Veil so time magic is still possible, you just can't travel to before the Breach's creation. All of this could change of course - Solas is more powerful and knowledgeable than Alexius so he might figure out a way to do it - or someone else could figure out how. But as with most other people here I hope they don't pull the time magic card again. It really just confuses things. I didn't think of that, it's true, maybe without the breach it's not longer possible, although I think you're also right in pointing that Solas could find a way.
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Post by rowrow on Nov 21, 2016 12:21:45 GMT
Jeez, tell me about it. I can appreciate what the writers were trying to go with In Hushed Whispers from a narrative standpoint. They wanted to establish consequences, to show why it'd be a Really Bad Thing if Cory succeeded. But I just really, really wish they didn't have to introduce time travel to do it. Or have characters make dumb decisions. Sure, it happens all the time IRL. But that's not a great justification. You can find plenty of real-life examples of people dying from unrelated causes or diseases without completing their great work, but if the Inquisitor dropped off from a case of smallpox halfway through the game and their story was left abandoned, I'd still call bullshit, regardless of how realistic it is. Stories are only supposed to prioritize realism to a point. Quality writing should always take precedence. The Warden slips on some stairs, falls down them and breaks their neck ... Hawke eats a bad piece of meat and dies from food poisoning ... the Inquisitor contracts smallpox ... the next protagonist will get run over by wagon because the driver wasn't paying attention ... Someone make a comic please.
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Post by Moondreamer on Nov 21, 2016 13:40:26 GMT
Unlike a lot of you. I far prefer IHW as far as rp possibilities go. There is something emotionally powerful to seeing the consequences of Cory'S victory over the Inquisition. Talk about motivations! Also, the first time I played my Lavellan, I by coincidence made it so Solas was the character being thrown away by that demon at the end. Youch. As far as rp moment go, that's where she lost her shit and Dorian had to pull her back toward the portal. I wish there were more talks of the aftermath of that jump in time later on though. A few dialogue lines by Leliana definitely weren't enough. I do rp that Lavellan has really bad nightmares about it though.
Still, I understand the problems so many have with time travel. It tends to make everything way too complicated and it's so often a shortcut for good storytelling. I'm not sure if I hope it doesn't become relevant again or not. On one hand, it's such a big thing that it exists that, as others, I see many characters in game having many reasons to want to use it. On the other, they did make it so it was only possible because of the breach and might get away with never mentioning it again.
I... kinda would like to see Elvhenan at its peak though, if time travel is introduced again.
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Post by floratheelf on Nov 21, 2016 13:59:55 GMT
I liked IHW. I felt it was powerful in the way you saw your companions sacrifice themselves. Leiliana's last fight always gives me goosebumps. I always view that quest as a big part in my characters development. I always take Solas with me and its after this quest my Lavellan realises how much she likes him. She saw him die for her. It always makes me sad when you see the Demon throw his dead body aside I always take Blackwall as well. She becomes good friends with him afterwards. It makes her see Leiliana in a different light too. I adore IHW. I remember my first play through I brought Iron Bull, Cassandra, and I believe.. Blackwall. I don't remember whose body was shown out of the three (I'm thinking Cassandra? IB?) but I just remember feeling so crushed And Leliana's part was beautiful. I've played many characters in DAI and have only ever -not- done IHW once.
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Post by ellawyn on Nov 21, 2016 16:20:33 GMT
ok, forgive me because for al of you this is really old (that's what I get for staying away fro the forums for so so long), but I read the other day that it was believed that solas was mythal guardian and not an equal I was like so I've searched a little, I found the reasoning, it makes a lot of sense, and I really love it, particularly when tied to the idea of him being a spirit wisdom bound to Mythal. Really love it, even more than the rebel god thing, which I already liked a lot. I needed to say it, even if it's a year late If he was really bound to Mythal, it's curious too that all of our male elves companions (which, are all my canon LI, btw) would be now some kind of escaped, rebel slaves This gives me war flashbacks of that one fic that claimed Solas would hate Fenris because he "doesn't understand what it's like to be a slave." At any rate - while Solas likely was subordinate to Mythal and the Evanuris at first, we can infer that A) He was probably a pretty highly valued subordinate and B ) ultimately did become worthy (At least in the Evanuris' eyes) of godhood. We see plenty of depictions of him in the Temple of Mythal, after all. Shown as an equal. As the codex in Trespasser says, Fen'harel denied the mantle of godhood. Which meant someone was trying to give it to him to begin with. His own followers after the rebellion probably would've deified him to some extent, regardless of his feelings on the matter, especially if he was like Ghilan'Nain and joined the Evanuris after their founding. Basically Solas' history is pretty long and complex. I think trying to reduce him down to one thing, saying that's what he was before, is a bit reductive. He was a rebel god before. And before that, he was Evanuris. And before that, Mythal's subordinate. And before that, who knows? Trespasser only told us the latest part of his story, not the whole thing. Unlike a lot of you. I far prefer IHW as far as rp possibilities go. There is something emotionally powerful to seeing the consequences of Cory'S victory over the Inquisition. Talk about motivations! Also, the first time I played my Lavellan, I by coincidence made it so Solas was the character being thrown away by that demon at the end. Youch. As far as rp moment go, that's where she lost her shit and Dorian had to pull her back toward the portal. I wish there were more talks of the aftermath of that jump in time later on though. A few dialogue lines by Leliana definitely weren't enough. I do rp that Lavellan has really bad nightmares about it though. Still, I understand the problems so many have with time travel. It tends to make everything way too complicated and it's so often a shortcut for good storytelling. I'm not sure if I hope it doesn't become relevant again or not. On one hand, it's such a big thing that it exists that, as others, I see many characters in game having many reasons to want to use it. On the other, they did make it so it was only possible because of the breach and might get away with never mentioning it again. I... kinda would like to see Elvhenan at its peak though, if time travel is introduced again. We could see Elvhenan in the Fade. Or in some EU material. I don't think we'll see Elvhenan from the past in these games though, unless it's through the Fade.
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Post by javeart on Nov 21, 2016 16:46:57 GMT
This gives me war flashbacks of that one fic that claimed Solas would hate Fenris because he "doesn't understand what it's like to be a slave." At any rate - while Solas likely was subordinate to Mythal and the Evanuris at first, we can infer that A) He was probably a pretty highly valued subordinate and B ) ultimately did become worthy (At least in the Evanuris' eyes) of godhood. We see plenty of depictions of him in the Temple of Mythal, after all. Shown as an equal. As the codex in Trespasser says, Fen'harel denied the mantle of godhood. Which meant someone was trying to give it to him to begin with. His own followers after the rebellion probably would've deified him to some extent, regardless of his feelings on the matter, especially if he was like Ghilan'Nain and joined the Evanuris after their founding. Basically Solas' history is pretty long and complex. I think trying to reduce him down to one thing, saying that's what he was before, is a bit reductive. He was a rebel god before. And before that, he was Evanuris. And before that, Mythal's subordinate. And before that, who knows? Trespasser only told us the latest part of his story, not the whole thing. well, of course, all three are more than just escaped slaves, I just meant it's something the three have in commin, and I said "kind of" because I didn't mean to obscure the huge differences between the stories of each of them. Stil, a interesting coincidence. Or maybe not so much, Gaider wrote Zevran and Fenris and probably at least put the bases of Solas, maybe he did willingly, or was ust exploring different takes on this kind of background for a character And while it's true that he still was a rebel god, to me it's very different the story of someone who would fight to free the slaves as part of the social group that enslaved them, than one that was actually a slave before... Again, "kind of", because, sure, I magine, as you say, that the was pretty highly valued and respected and it's obvious Mythal truly cared for him (Fenris was probably highly valued too, but no so much respected and loved). I don't know if it's completely discarded even the possibility that was Myhtal herself who granted him his freedom at some point, instead of him breaking free on his own (as I've just learned the basics of this theory today). In any case, for me, this adition to story nad to his character, enriches it and makes me like it more. Anyway, I agree that this complexity is one the things that makes the character great (and I didn't mean to make it go away)
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Post by Moondreamer on Nov 21, 2016 17:16:49 GMT
Unlike a lot of you. I far prefer IHW as far as rp possibilities go. There is something emotionally powerful to seeing the consequences of Cory'S victory over the Inquisition. Talk about motivations! Also, the first time I played my Lavellan, I by coincidence made it so Solas was the character being thrown away by that demon at the end. Youch. As far as rp moment go, that's where she lost her shit and Dorian had to pull her back toward the portal. I wish there were more talks of the aftermath of that jump in time later on though. A few dialogue lines by Leliana definitely weren't enough. I do rp that Lavellan has really bad nightmares about it though. Still, I understand the problems so many have with time travel. It tends to make everything way too complicated and it's so often a shortcut for good storytelling. I'm not sure if I hope it doesn't become relevant again or not. On one hand, it's such a big thing that it exists that, as others, I see many characters in game having many reasons to want to use it. On the other, they did make it so it was only possible because of the breach and might get away with never mentioning it again. I... kinda would like to see Elvhenan at its peak though, if time travel is introduced again. We could see Elvhenan in the Fade. Or in some EU material. I don't think we'll see Elvhenan from the past in these games though, unless it's through the Fade. I could definitely see that. If it's in game though, I hope the art department goes wild. From Solas' description, elvhenan looked unlike anything present in the world today. Crystal spires and magic everywhere! As of now, the buildings we've seen from that period (like Fan'Harel's refuge) look more like gothic architecture. The refuge looks a lot like some European cathedral. I would love to see them going away from that aesthetic toward something more unique. This gives me war flashbacks of that one fic that claimed Solas would hate Fenris because he "doesn't understand what it's like to be a slave." At any rate - while Solas likely was subordinate to Mythal and the Evanuris at first, we can infer that A) He was probably a pretty highly valued subordinate and B ) ultimately did become worthy (At least in the Evanuris' eyes) of godhood. We see plenty of depictions of him in the Temple of Mythal, after all. Shown as an equal. As the codex in Trespasser says, Fen'harel denied the mantle of godhood. Which meant someone was trying to give it to him to begin with. His own followers after the rebellion probably would've deified him to some extent, regardless of his feelings on the matter, especially if he was like Ghilan'Nain and joined the Evanuris after their founding. Basically Solas' history is pretty long and complex. I think trying to reduce him down to one thing, saying that's what he was before, is a bit reductive. He was a rebel god before. And before that, he was Evanuris. And before that, Mythal's subordinate. And before that, who knows? Trespasser only told us the latest part of his story, not the whole thing. well, of course, all three are more than just escaped slaves, I just meant it's something the three have in commin, and I said "kind of" because I didn't mean to obscure the huge differences between the stories of each of them. Stil, a interesting coincidence. Or maybe not so much, Gaider wrote Zevran and Fenris and probably at least put the bases of Solas, maybe he did willingly, or was ust exploring different takes on this kind of background for a character And while it's true that he still was a rebel god, to me it's very different the story of someone who would fight to free the slaves as part of the social group that enslaved them, than one that was actually a slave before... Again, "kind of", because, sure, I magine, as you say, that the was pretty highly valued and respected and it's obvious Mythal truly cared for him (Fenris was probably highly valued too, but no so much respected and loved). I don't know if it's completely discarded even the possibility that was Myhtal herself who granted him his freedom at some point, instead of him breaking free on his own (as I've just learned the basics of this theory today). In any case, for me, this adition to story nad to his character, enriches it and makes me like it more. Anyway, I agree that this complexity is one the things that makes the character great (and I didn't mean to make it go away) From Cole's comment in Trespasser : "He did not want a body. But she asked him to come. He left a scar when he burned her off his face." It's thought this might refer to Solas and Mythal. In that case, it really sounds like Solas is the one that might have burned the Mythal vallaslin off his own face, leaving the scar on his forehead behind. Hard to say what the context surrounding this was though. Mythal wasn't against his rebellion at the very least, or the well wouldn't have had the secret passphrase of Fen'Harel's refuge.
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Post by Sifr on Nov 21, 2016 17:50:20 GMT
Well, so far as we are currently aware - or rather so far as Alexius was able to be determined - time magic is/was only viable during the "lifetime" of the Breach itself. He was never able to travel to before it happened to stop Lavellan at the Conclave as Corypheus demanded nor was he able to travel to before Felix contracted the Blight. One could hope that with the Breach no longer there that time magic is, once again, no longer possible. Yeah, Alexius' time magic operates on the wormhole method of time travel. The formation of the wormhole (The Breach) serves as the earliest point in it's world-line, so it's impossible to travel beyond it's confines. Dorian and the Inquisitor were able to travel forward in time during IHW because the Breach had never been sealed during that timeline, due to the Inquisitor not being around to seal it. With the closure of the Breach, the connection was severed and it's now impossible to travel in either direction. Not only does the wormhole that connects both point in space time no longer exist to travel through, but the time magic only worked because Alexius seems to have tapped into the raw power of the Breach to power the spell. Opening another Breach (like the second one at the end of the game) would make time travel possible again, but the same rules would apply. Travel only works for the duration of the second Breach event. Anyone trying to go back in time could also only arrive shortly after the formation of the new Breach, not the initial one that happened at the Conclave. It might even be what Corypheus was trying to achieve at the end of the game, come to think about it? He might have thought that opening another Breach, could allow him to restart the entire game over again, only to realise that Alexius wasn't lying about it being impossible.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 21, 2016 18:05:07 GMT
If I'm remembering "The Still Ruins" correctly, the ancient Tevinters were experimenting with time magic. One of their number, Sarpedon, was very concerned with creating a tear in the Veil very much like the "modern day" breach. His planning and timely intervention is the what confined the effect of their magic to the ruins. The Venatori were there to learn what they could. They were not involved in the ancient experiment. (That's why they were not frozen.) I suspect the fact that the ancient Vints and the Venatori share the same models probably confused some gamers.
Likewise, Dorian and Alexius had been researching time-altering magic prior to the breach. This seems to imply that time magic is very much a possibility without the breach in the Veil.
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Post by Sifr on Nov 21, 2016 19:06:28 GMT
Altering the passage of time does seems to be possible, but travelling through it seems to require a lot more power. It's probably why time travel is considered a pipe dream that many have attempted (and failed) to crack over the centuries, according to Vivienne.
Ameridan and the Ancient Tevinters seem to have used the same kind of time magic to freeze time (or slow it to an imperceptible crawl) to contain both their Veil Tear and Hakkon from wrecking havoc. The effects of entropy still applied to frozen objects however, which why was Ameridan (and presumably the Ancient Vints) perished when time caught up with them. The Demons and Hakkon survived only due to their effective immortality.
Altering time can happen without the Breach, but actual time travel seems like it's off-the-table unless they find something powerful to provide the extra welly to make it work. Something like Solas' Orb might work, assuming that others like it might still exist in the world?
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