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Post by javeart on Nov 30, 2016 16:46:39 GMT
I don't think the Evanuris are the Old Gods, mostly because I would be disappointed if most of the Evanuris were dead already, but I do think there is a relationship between them. Most of my crazy theory stems from what we see from Corypheus and his dragon and what they see to be capable of so bear with me. Corypheus invested a portion of his power into the dragon to become effectively immortal. Where did he learn how to do that? The Well of Sorrows was at the very least knowledgeable on the subject, as whoever drinks from it knows about the technique, so it seems the technique most likely was developed by ancient elves. And we know that the Evanuris wanted to appear as gods, what better way to prove it than by becoming truly immortal? The only (very big) downsides is that you have to have the Taint, you need others to be Tainted in order for it to work, and you need a host to hold a portion of your power. I would also assume that investing portions of your power within others weakens you as well. That's where the Archdemons come in. You need a powerful host to keep your portion of your power safe and when you kill the Archdemon in Origins, you can see a big pillar of light going up into the sky which could possibly be that portion of power returning to the owner. The Archdemons would have been the Evanuris' generals, commanding the darkspawn. They could have been created by Ghil'inan for that purpose, but truly I have no idea where they originally came from. They are proven to be very intelligent, meaning they could also have learned the technique to make themselves immortal as well for insurance for the Evanuris. It works well enough for most Blighted creatures except for Wardens, somehow, though I think the Evanuris would have had no issues as even Corypheus could jump into Warden bodies no problem. This would have been what Solas meant when he said that the Evanuris would destroy the entire world. Left for too long, the Evanuris could have formed an army of self reviving Archdemons (yep, its crazy), all linked to one another to make them all immortal, making it impossible to truly kill any of them. Lacking any means of effectively killing them (he didn't have the knowledge the Warden's have, or assumed it too risky) he created the Veil, which essentially amounts to a blanket over a fire, leaving the Evanuris significantly de-powered and imprisoning both them and the Archdemons away. So the Warden's coming along and killing the Archdemons is effectively giving the power the Evanuris invested back to them, making them stronger and possibly able to break out of their prison soon. It would make them mortal again, at least initially, which may be the motivation a protagonist will need to deal with them should they appear in future games. I probably missed something important that completely discounts my theory, but its late soooo.... Non-obligatory peaceful screencap: No, after Trespasser I too discarded the idea that the archdeamons could be the elven gods, because it appears Solas has no doubt they're not dead already. I agree that the technique to achieve inmortality that Corypheus uses must come from the elven god, and there's a lot of references about elven gods putting pieces of themselve in other places in surviving through it (Mythal, Dirthamen) Adding that to what we see in Hakkon, it seems a safe bet to say that archdeamons are dragons in which the either the Elven Gods or the Forgotten Ones put a part of themselves. It'd appearsthat the relation between the blight and the void would point more toward the Forgotten Ones, but 7 evanuris left, 7 old gods... even the names seemed to match, it'd be wierd if it was just a coincidence. Then there's the thing about Mythal actually turning into a dragon, not merely controling one, which doesn't fit that well :lol:But maybe that's not Mythal power, but a talent only of Flemeth... I really don't know, I don't know much about lore and the truth is I'm completely lost , I have no clue about where does all this go, but I'm very intrigued, and I love reading theories about it so thank for sharing yours (I'm very intrigued too bout the true nature of evanuris, abominations, spirtis, etc, if anyone has one btw). I like a lot about your theory that it would explain why Solas freaks out with the idea of killing the archdeamons, because, if there were only pieces of the evanuris in them, pieces that would simply die when the grey warden kills them, it shouldn't be much a problem if they do, no? In fact, it would make his job easier once he tears down the fade and the evanuris are free. If the power somehow goes back to them, that's very different. There's also the theory about Thedas flooding with darkspwan once all archdeamons die, I suppose that could explain it too. I hope there's at least a book with more info about this while we wait for the next game, I really need new DA material and DA4 seems so far away still
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Post by javeart on Nov 30, 2016 17:02:55 GMT
Does the series really need a "big bad" though? A series of antagonists for sure. After all, we do need those big boss battles, but I don't see it going toward revealing that one single entity is the big bad of the entire thing. The Blight probably come the closest, and it's more of a force of nature than an entity (although I expect we'll find the truth behind the Blight before the end of the franchise and probably get to fight whatever it is). As for Mythal, I definitely expect her to come back to haunt us at the worse possible moment. Maybe once we finally convince Solas to stop his plans to drop the veil, she'll appear like a bad dream to snatch control over whatever magic Solas is working so she can finish off her own plan. I see Mythal as a manipulator, and a really good one at that. Solas, single-minded as he is and wracked by guilt over his past deeds, would be very easy to steer toward whatever Mythal's final goal is. If Solas is the only one with the knowledge to undo the veil and reach the Evanuris, it would make sense for Mythal to give him the tools to do so, only to arrive at the last minute and take what she wants. Just a theory though. Nothing is for certain. She's certainly a very complex character, same as Solas. It's probably why I also don't think of her as THE Big Bad. Oh, I find the whole Mythal-Solas deal very intriguing too! I love all the speculation we have here I've always wondered about that last scene. Do they both want the same thing? then why wouldn't Solas just ask for her help, and if they don't, why wouldn't Mythal fight back, Solas is supposed to be the one that it's weak without the orb. That seemed wierd to me. Mythal and Solas interests have always seemed diffetent to me, because she has always been close to the dalish, like if she care more for the elves in general, while Solas seems to care mostly about the spirits... Also there's the thing about Mythal passing on her "godhood" (whatever that is) to Morrigan, I don't knw if that's discarded nowadays? which complicates matters even more. I have to say though, that I don't think Solas would be eas to manipulate at all and I resist the idea that Mythal could be "bad", I have always have sympathy for her. If I have always mistruted someone that is Morrigan. But as time passes ans she continues to help our heroes, I'm thinking I have to admit that maybe she just appears to be untrustworthy (for me, I know there's a lot of people who like her) but she isn't I agree with ellawyn . I think there's going to be a big bad here, though not necessaily Solas or Mythal, maybe someone we still don't know. But as I sais in another thread, I'm starting to feel there's an underlying big story and that some characters are central to it, which usually would mean there's also a main vilain. Will see though, we don't even know how close to the end we are
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Post by Moondreamer on Nov 30, 2016 17:08:32 GMT
I don't necessarily think of Mythal as evil, or a villain. But I think she has goals that aren't necessarily those of Solas, or the Inquisitior, or anyone else, and she's been working at those for a very long time. After all, she pretty much tells so to our hero, what with her "reckoning that will shake the world" or something (I don't remember the exact phrasing and can'T look right now). Whatever the form that reckoning will take, I believe everyone will feel the ripples of it across Thedas.
And she definitely did send something through the eluvian before Solas arrived. What it was is uncertain, although the idea that it's her "godhood" (whatever that even is!) is part of the datamining I think.
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Post by javeart on Nov 30, 2016 17:13:01 GMT
A question for all of you regarding Mythal and her possible reappearance: do your Inquisitor drink from the well? and are you worried that it could impact wheter your Inquisitor lives or not or wheter Solas can be saved or not? I have to say that I do, a lot. My Inquisitor always drinks, partially because I don't trust Morrigan, partially because I like more the scene with Solas if he's angry with you for drinking, mostly because it's just too tempting , and I think it's a mistake: it seems very reasonable to me that at some point we will want to do something (saving ourselves, saving Solas) and if you're under the compulsion of the well, you just wont be able. I always make the wrong choices, like leaving Alistair in the Wardens I hope will be able to just change that in the keep too
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Post by coldwetn0se on Nov 30, 2016 17:18:55 GMT
Btw, what are the odds of having Elgarn'an / Falon Din / *insert other angry elvhen pantheon name* being the big bad as opposed to Solas/Fen Harel? Kinda like DAI, where we thought that Corypheus was the one who stirred things up, when it was actually.. someone else XD Weeeellllllll... (Side-eyes Flemythal.) I don't think Solas will turn out to be our big bad. An antagonist, clearly, and probably the "main" antagonist for the next game or two. But I don't think he'll be the villain of the series overall. Mainly because it feels like the writers tipped their hand too early with him. We're at - what - the midway point? And we already know who the main villain is and what he plans to do? Nah, there's too much story left to tell and too many mysteries that have yet to resolve. So, what characters do we have, then, that could possibly turn out to be the entire series' big bad? The Evanuris or the Archdemons are a possibility, certainly they seem appropriately big and bad enough. But we've seen extremely little of them and their characters, so it might be somewhat lacking in impact. The Forgotten Ones? That assumes that they are not one of the other two previous groups, and all of the same issues apply - too little screen time, too little depth. They could show up as villains, but the main villain? That requires more - presence, don't you think? But Mythal? Now, she's got all the same perks that come with the Evanuris - she's powerful, she's steeped in the lore, she's properly "epic" enough to be an intimidating final boss. But she's free of the drawbacks they have - she's been in the story since game one, and has made an appearance in every game since. We know her, we know her character, we've already seen some degree of depth from her. We've gotten to know and potentially like her as a character before fighting her as a villain.
Also, I mean, there's a ridiculous amount of villain-coding going on with her? Shadowy and mysterious, half-mad but obviously too powerful to just be a crazy old woman, pulling so many strings from so many people, already demonstrating a penchant for manipulation, ulterior motives, and somewhat lacking morality. And, oh yeah, she's recently taken up ranting about betrayal and reckonings and how the whole world's on the precipice of violent change.
People who argue she's fighting Solas baffle me. For one she pretty much handed Solas her power - you really think she couldn't have fought him off, weakened as he was? For two she has clear motive to want the Evanuris to get out (So she can kill them herself.) And for three, literally half of her screen time is spent in ominous, vaguely-threatening monologue. Which is like, the number one symptom of future villainy. I wouldn't say Mythal's on Solas' side, precisely, but she does seem to be allowing his plan - which of course she would, if her own villainous plot depends on his going through.ahem....yes. This.
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Post by javeart on Nov 30, 2016 17:20:47 GMT
I don't necessarily think of Mythal as evil, or a villain. But I think she has goals that aren't necessarily those of Solas, or the Inquisitior, or anyone else, and she's been working at thoses for a very long time. After all, she pretty much tells so to our hero, what with her "reckoning that will shake the world" or something (I don't remember the exact phrasing and can'T look right now). Whatever the form that reckoning will take, I believe everyone will feel the ripples of it across Thedas. And she definitely did send something through the eluvian before Solas arrived. What it was is uncertain, although the idea that it's her "godhood" (whatever that even is!) is part of the datamining I think. Before Trespasser I was inclined to believe that they had different goals, now I don't know. And maybe she's trying to outplay him, but would Solas be that naive?
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Post by Moondreamer on Nov 30, 2016 17:23:44 GMT
A question for all of you regarding Mythal and her possible reappearance: do your Inquisitor drink from the well? and are you worried that it could impact wheter your Inquisitor leaves or not or wheter Solas can be saved or not? I have to say that I do, a lot. My Inquisitor always drink, partially because I don't trust Morrigan, partially because I like more the scene with Solas if he's angry with you for drinking, mostly because it's just too tempting , and I think it's a mistake: it seems very reasonable to me that at some point we will want to do something (aving ourselves, saving Solas) and if you're under the compulsion of the well, you just wont be able. I always make the wrong choices, like leaving Alistair in the Wardens I hope will be able to just change that in the keep too My Lavellan also drank from the well as she didn't want Morrigan to do so, and because she just wanted to be able to know about her ancestors. Then came the geas. Of course, she has no idea what happened to Mythal since then, but I would expect the well to become a problem again... if not for the fact that the drinking is one of those quantum events that might or might not have happened. Same as old god baby Kieran, I don't think the drinking of the well will become an important plot point later on. Too many people didn't do so. Perhaps I'll be proven wrong though. It would certainly be interesting if it came back to bite us in the butt or, on the other hand, helped us at a later date.
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Post by Moondreamer on Nov 30, 2016 17:25:36 GMT
I don't necessarily think of Mythal as evil, or a villain. But I think she has goals that aren't necessarily those of Solas, or the Inquisitior, or anyone else, and she's been working at thoses for a very long time. After all, she pretty much tells so to our hero, what with her "reckoning that will shake the world" or something (I don't remember the exact phrasing and can'T look right now). Whatever the form that reckoning will take, I believe everyone will feel the ripples of it across Thedas. And she definitely did send something through the eluvian before Solas arrived. What it was is uncertain, although the idea that it's her "godhood" (whatever that even is!) is part of the datamining I think. Before Trespasser I was inclined to believe that they had different goals, now I don't know. And maybe she's trying to outplay him, but would Solas be that naive? He might know, or at least suspect, that Mythal is trying to outplay him but I wonder if he even cares at this point. Also, he's liked and trusted Mythal for a very long time. He might still remember her the way she used to be, and not what she's become since her murder.
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Post by javeart on Nov 30, 2016 17:27:18 GMT
Btw, what are the odds of having Elgarn'an / Falon Din / *insert other angry elvhen pantheon name* being the big bad as opposed to Solas/Fen Harel? Kinda like DAI, where we thought that Corypheus was the one who stirred things up, when it was actually.. someone else XD Weeeellllllll... (Side-eyes Flemythal.) I don't think Solas will turn out to be our big bad. An antagonist, clearly, and probably the "main" antagonist for the next game or two. But I don't think he'll be the villain of the series overall. Mainly because it feels like the writers tipped their hand too early with him. We're at - what - the midway point? And we already know who the main villain is and what he plans to do? Nah, there's too much story left to tell and too many mysteries that have yet to resolve. So, what characters do we have, then, that could possibly turn out to be the entire series' big bad? The Evanuris or the Archdemons are a possibility, certainly they seem appropriately big and bad enough. But we've seen extremely little of them and their characters, so it might be somewhat lacking in impact. The Forgotten Ones? That assumes that they are not one of the other two previous groups, and all of the same issues apply - too little screen time, too little depth. They could show up as villains, but the main villain? That requires more - presence, don't you think? But Mythal? Now, she's got all the same perks that come with the Evanuris - she's powerful, she's steeped in the lore, she's properly "epic" enough to be an intimidating final boss. But she's free of the drawbacks they have - she's been in the story since game one, and has made an appearance in every game since. We know her, we know her character, we've already seen some degree of depth from her. We've gotten to know and potentially like her as a character before fighting her as a villain. Also, I mean, there's a ridiculous amount of villain-coding going on with her? Shadowy and mysterious, half-mad but obviously too powerful to just be a crazy old woman, pulling so many strings from so many people, already demonstrating a penchant for manipulation, ulterior motives, and somewhat lacking morality. And, oh yeah, she's recently taken up ranting about betrayal and reckonings and how the whole world's on the precipice of violent change. People who argue she's fighting Solas baffle me. For one she pretty much handed Solas her power - you really think she couldn't have fought him off, weakened as he was? For two she has clear motive to want the Evanuris to get out (So she can kill them herself.) And for three, literally half of her screen time is spent in ominous, vaguely-threatening monologue. Which is like, the number one symptom of future villainy. I wouldn't say Mythal's on Solas' side, precisely, but she does seem to be allowing his plan - which of course she would, if her own villainous plot depends on his going through. Ok I missed this post, and it's so interesting! But I don't see Mythal like that at all, she has helped every heroe in DA, Maric, the Warden, Hawke, the Inquisitor... I really don't sense evil at all in the character... Then again, I didn't either in Solas So, yes, I guess your probably right I would hate that though, I LOVE Flemeth, almost as much as I hate the idea of fighting Solas... I was so sad she died, if she cmes back only to be the vilain so I have to kil her again... Well,,, Shit
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Post by javeart on Nov 30, 2016 17:33:21 GMT
Before Trespasser I was inclined to believe that they had different goals, now I don't know. And maybe she's trying to outplay him, but would Solas be that naive? He might know, or at least suspect, that Mythal is trying to outplay him but I wonder if he even cares at this point. Also, he's liked and trusted Mythal for a very long time. He might still remember her the way she used to be, and not what she's become since her murder. I would definitely be very disappointed if he didn't see that coming at all and took no precautions. I mean, If you're going to be a vilain, at least be the brilliant, genius kind
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 30, 2016 17:44:41 GMT
Does the series really need a "big bad" though? A series of antagonist for sure. After all, we do need those big boss battles, but I don'T see it going toward revealing that one single entity is the big bad of the entire thing. The Blight probably come the closest, and it's more of a force of nature than an entity (although I expect we'll find the truth behind the Blight before the end of the franchise and probably get to fight whatever it is). As for Mythal, I definitely expect her to come back to haunt us at the worse possible moment. Maybe once we finally convince Solas to stop his plans to drop the veil, she'll appear like a bad dream to snatch control over whatever magic Solas is working so she can finish off her own plan. I see Mythal as a manipulator, and a really good one at that. Solas, single-minded as he is and wracked by guilt over his past deeds, would be very easy to steer toward whatever Mythal's final goal is. If Solas is the only one with the knowledge to undo the veil and reach the Evanuris, it would make sense for Mythal to give him the tools to do so, only to arrive at the last minute and take what she wants. Just a theory though. Nothing is for certain. She's certainly a very complex character, same as Solas. It's probably why I also don't think of her as THE Big Bad. Well, despite being pretty episodic in structure, Dragon Age still appears to be working towards some sort of point. Every game has built on the last - Origins was our exposition (And introduced Anders/Justice), DA2 and a good chunk of Inquisition was our rising action (And DA2 introduced Cory, Inquisition introduced Solas), and Trespasser was our peak. (Conveniently situated at roughly the midway point, even.) It revealed Solas, it revealed Flemythal, and it revealed the conflict (Reviving magic/the Elvhen.) that will likely drive their stories - or Solas', at least - from this point forward. And the motivation behind Solas' actions - that the modern world is wrong, broken, in need of repair - is one that has been laid down since Origins. Despite cycling through characters, plots, and conflicts, the games have still progressively built on one another. It's not like, say, Black Mirror, where most episodes are utterly irrelevant to each other. There's always been a bigger story above the smaller ones they put front-and-center - and as such, there should be a bigger antagonist above all the smaller ones. Otherwise, whatever finale the bigger story is building to will be less impactful. You only have to compare Solas with Corypheus to see the power of building up a character before making them a villain as opposed to basically inventing one solely to fill the villain role. And I mean, being complex and even likable doesn't keep you from being the main antagonist. I'd be calling Solas the main antagonist if I didn't feel like we're too early in the story for that. It also doesn't mean Flemythal has been behind everything, or even most things. Just that she has, all series long, been working towards something that the player (And most of Thedas) will probably not like. Well... Solas is working towards what most players/Thedas don't like. And you yourself said that you din't think of him as main antagonist (neither do I). Either way, if Bioware's past games/storylines are anything to go by, characters with 'villain coding' can go either way - they can be straightforward villains, or they can be - basically - misunderstood.
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Post by ellawyn on Nov 30, 2016 19:15:04 GMT
I don't necessarily think of Mythal as evil, or a villain. But I think she has goals that aren't necessarily those of Solas, or the Inquisitior, or anyone else, and she's been working at thoses for a very long time. After all, she pretty much tells so to our hero, what with her "reckoning that will shake the world" or something (I don't remember the exact phrasing and can'T look right now). Whatever the form that reckoning will take, I believe everyone will feel the ripples of it across Thedas. And she definitely did send something through the eluvian before Solas arrived. What it was is uncertain, although the idea that it's her "godhood" (whatever that even is!) is part of the datamining I think. Before Trespasser I was inclined to believe that they had different goals, now I don't know. And maybe she's trying to outplay him, but would Solas be that naive? I have mixed feelings on this possibility, because it does seem what the story might be pointing towards, but it's also something that I don't really want to be true. I get the uncomfortable feeling that Solas' knowledge of the geas on the Well comes from bitter experience - and Solas seems weirdly positive about Mythal despite the fact that she even used the geas (Geases?) and apparently kept slaves like Abelas and, if fan theory's anything to go off of, kept Solas himself as a slave as well, however treasured. I still have a hard time reconciling all of that... but it's not a possibility I like. For one, it would really diminish Solas' credibility as a threat (Something which Corypheus suffered, and which some people already believe Solas to suffer from as well.) For two, I also think it would lessen his character in general if it turned out and he was doing this against his will. I suppose issue number two could be side-stepped by saying Flemythal merely manipulated him and didn't actually force him, but still, I think this would be a bad route to go down if they want to maintain Solas as both a competent character and a competent villain. I would not, however, be at all surprised if it turned out that Flemythal nudged him along his path - by encouraging his initial rebellion, or by somehow prodding him out of Uthanera, or by allowing him to take her power and fulfill his own plans. It allows Mythal to keep on nudging history, while still maintaining Solas' agency and competence. Also, on the flipside, if Mythal IS straight up manipulating Solas, she's doing a shit job of it. He went and gave his Orb to Cory despite her openly disapproving of it later. So, maybe she is trying to puppet him and just failing miserably. Well, despite being pretty episodic in structure, Dragon Age still appears to be working towards some sort of point. Every game has built on the last - Origins was our exposition (And introduced Anders/Justice), DA2 and a good chunk of Inquisition was our rising action (And DA2 introduced Cory, Inquisition introduced Solas), and Trespasser was our peak. (Conveniently situated at roughly the midway point, even.) It revealed Solas, it revealed Flemythal, and it revealed the conflict (Reviving magic/the Elvhen.) that will likely drive their stories - or Solas', at least - from this point forward. And the motivation behind Solas' actions - that the modern world is wrong, broken, in need of repair - is one that has been laid down since Origins. Despite cycling through characters, plots, and conflicts, the games have still progressively built on one another. It's not like, say, Black Mirror, where most episodes are utterly irrelevant to each other. There's always been a bigger story above the smaller ones they put front-and-center - and as such, there should be a bigger antagonist above all the smaller ones. Otherwise, whatever finale the bigger story is building to will be less impactful. You only have to compare Solas with Corypheus to see the power of building up a character before making them a villain as opposed to basically inventing one solely to fill the villain role. And I mean, being complex and even likable doesn't keep you from being the main antagonist. I'd be calling Solas the main antagonist if I didn't feel like we're too early in the story for that. It also doesn't mean Flemythal has been behind everything, or even most things. Just that she has, all series long, been working towards something that the player (And most of Thedas) will probably not like. Well... Solas is working towards what most players/Thedas don't like. And you yourself said that you din't think of him as main antagonist (neither do I). Either way, if Bioware's past games/storylines are anything to go by, characters with 'villain coding' can go either way - they can be straightforward villains, or they can be - basically - misunderstood. Ah! I was hoping someone would give me that opening because I wrote up a whole rant before realizing it was kind of off-topic. Anyway - yes! Solas is working mainly towards what most players would want, in a vague sense at least. Origins and DA2 went out of it's way to show how fucked up Thedas' various systems are. It instilled in players - very many players, apparently - a desire to change the world, to make society for the better. And here's Solas, who wants to do precisely that. He wants to help mages, he wants to help elves, he wants to help slaves, he wants to help spirits, he wants to get rid of the Qun. Most other characters and companions we've seen will only lightly criticize the status quo at best, openly support it at worst, with most just ignoring how screwed up it is - and even the ones who criticize tend to focus on one aspect, like Anders really only caring about mages. It's like the entire Dragon Age series is riddle, and for the first two games, only the players knew the answer - some companions came close, but none of them really got it. But here's Solas, and he knows it too. He's in on the awful, socially oppressive joke with you. There's a camaraderie there, right? You can understand him, his thoughts and opinions and motivations, because it's what you've been saying for the past two games. And finally, here's a character who gets it. A character who embodies the player's desire for change. And now he's the villain. It's like turning the player on themselves. That desire you've had for two games straight? That desperation for things to change, to get better? Here's Solas, he gets it, and he's taking it to it's logical, villainous extreme. I dunno, that's kinda cool to me. But yes, "villain" is an extremely nebulous term. It can mean straight-up, irredeemable dick, or it can mean someone who's simply taking their good intentions too far. None of this is to say that Mythal - or any other villain - isn't simply "misunderstood," or otherwise understandable in their motivations. Solas himself had plenty of ominous crap going on during Inquisition - his companion quest, his more questionable companion banter, the stinger of course, and that veilfire scene was practically dripping with it. Nonetheless, I think we can all agree that he is far from a straightforward villain.
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Post by javeart on Nov 30, 2016 20:29:10 GMT
It's like turning the player on themselves. That desire you've had for two games straight? That desperation for things to change, to get better? Here's Solas, he gets it, and he's taking it to it's logical, villainous extreme. I dunno, that's kinda cool to me.
I like a lot this perspective, never thought about it like that, it's cruel but also cool, I agree I have to say though, that I can't really see it like taking humanitarian values at their most villanous extreme, for me it's outright betraying them... And about Mythal and Solas, yes, for me it would totally wreck the character and his part in the story. I'm not saying it's not happening, but I would find it very disappointing. Still, I think you're right in that something is off in that scene, I have always have dubts about it, and I agree that the theory that he might have been a spirit bound to Mythal (which I like a lot and could end up being my be my new IT ) makes wierd the affection he seems to feel for her. But, maybe he accepted the bound willingly, or maybe even asked for it for some reason, and that's what he's thinking of when Coles says "it's not abuse if I ask it" and he answers "not always true"? After Trespasser, anyway, I really thought they might be after the same thing, after all (basically bringin back th world of ancient elves and killing the other evanuris) and maybe Mythal just acknowledges that for some reason he's the only one who can make it possible. I have to admit that I'm probably not being objective with this now, because it really annoys me the idea that two of my favourite characters in the DA universe (if not my favourites, period) are vilains, so that first we kill one and in the next game we kill the other, and that on top of that, the'yre going to fight each other, and even worse still, that one of them is going to be turned into a mindless puppet, so he's not even being a decent antagonist or an interesting characters anymore. I't's probably my worst scenario, I really could cry I rather have a scene that it's a little off, but still sad and beatiful, and that maybe makes Solas a cold murderer (he's not escaping that even if she's tricking him, because intention is what counts) and leave it at that... If my vote counted for something , it would be like that
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Post by Sifr on Nov 30, 2016 23:52:12 GMT
Never hit me until now, but Solas alludes to the Evanuris in our first conversation with him in Haven.
Solas: The Chosen of Andraste. A blessed hero sent to save us all. Inky: Am I riding in on a shining steed? Solas: I would have suggested a Griffon, sadly they're extinct. Joke as you will, some posturing is necessary. I've journeyed deep into the Fade in ancient ruins and battlefields to see the dreams of lost civilisations. I've watched as hosts of Spirits clash to reenact the bloody past in ancient wars both famous and forgotten. Every great war has it's heroes, I'm just curious what kind you'll be.
Now remember his explanation for how the Evanuris rose to power in Trespasser?
Inky: The Evanuris were Elven mages? How did they come to be remembered as Gods? Solas: Slowly. It started with a war. War breeds fear. Fear breeds a desire for simplicity. Good and evil. Right and wrong. Chains of command. After the war ended, Generals became respected Elders, then Kings, and finally Gods. The Evanuris.
That is some extremely subtle foreshadowing right there.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 1, 2016 6:16:24 GMT
Never hit me until now, but Solas alludes to the Evanuris in our first conversation with him in Haven. Solas: The Chosen of Andraste. A blessed hero sent to save us all.Inky: Am I riding in on a shining steed? Solas: I would have suggested a Griffon, sadly they're extinct. Joke as you will, some posturing is necessary. I've journeyed deep into the Fade in ancient ruins and battlefields to see the dreams of lost civilisations. I've watched as hosts of Spirits clash to reenact the bloody past in ancient wars both famous and forgotten. Every great war has it's heroes, I'm just curious what kind you'll be.
Now remember his explanation for how the Evanuris rose to power in Trespasser? Inky: The Evanuris were Elven mages? How did they come to be remembered as Gods? Solas: Slowly. It started with a war. War breeds fear. Fear breeds a desire for simplicity. Good and evil. Right and wrong. Chains of command. After the war ended, Generals became respected Elders, then Kings, and finally Gods. The Evanuris.
That is some extremely subtle foreshadowing right there. TBH the whole of DA: Inquisition is foreshadowing. I mean, how many times does Inquisition has to deal or hear about organizations or people who have gone bad? Heck, Inquisition itself is on that route, arguably at least, until Trespasser. Hence I don't really think Solas's dialogue foreshadowed Evanuris; it's more like it's a consistent theme throughout the story: power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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Post by close2myheart on Dec 1, 2016 17:13:23 GMT
Wow, a lot of interesting insights here. I enjoy reading them all ^^v
... honestly, I cant wait for MEA to 'move along' so BW can start making DA4 XD I really cant wait for the continuation for the story. Will it be with a new protag? Or dare I hope there will be dual protagonist this time?
Kinda shocking for me, because I first started out as a ME fangirl, but DAI sorta pull me into the world of Thedas fast like a quicksand XD
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Post by Moondreamer on Dec 1, 2016 18:36:30 GMT
Quick moment of sharing. Being working on a short scene with my Lavellan and Solas getting intimate for the first time and it's... not working. Urgh. Their bantering is fine, but now that we're getting into the, huh... meat of the subject, brain's not cooperating. I'm now quite irritated.
/sharing
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Post by phoray on Dec 1, 2016 18:38:39 GMT
Quick moment of sharing. Being working on a short scene with my Lavellan and Solas getting intimate for the first time and it's... not working. Urgh. Their bantering is fine, but now that we're getting into the, huh... meat of the subject, brain's not cooperating. I'm now quite irritated. /sharing Maybe TMI, but a tip none the less. I always write my best smut when I'm actually in the mood.
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Post by Moondreamer on Dec 1, 2016 18:40:43 GMT
Quick moment of sharing. Being working on a short scene with my Lavellan and Solas getting intimate for the first time and it's... not working. Urgh. Their bantering is fine, but now that we're getting into the, huh... meat of the subject, brain's not cooperating. I'm now quite irritated. /sharing Maybe TMI, but a tip none the less. I always write my best smut when I'm actually in the mood.
It... probably isn't helping that I'm at work right now *whistles*
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Post by phoray on Dec 1, 2016 18:43:20 GMT
Maybe TMI, but a tip none the less. I always write my best smut when I'm actually in the mood.
It... probably isn't helping that I'm at work right now *whistles* I wouldn't recommend it then. I remember when I was a teen in vocational college, the teacher checked my screen and I was totally writing Inu Yasha fan fiction smut, and she came over to tell me that wasn't appropriate for class time. I don't blush often, I'm not much of a blusher, but I sure turned red that time.
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Post by Moondreamer on Dec 1, 2016 18:46:05 GMT
It... probably isn't helping that I'm at work right now *whistles* I wouldn't recommend it then. I remember when I was a teen in vocational college, the teacher checked my screen and I was totally writing Inu Yasha fan fiction smut, and she came over to tell me that wasn't appropriate for class time. I don't blush often, I'm not much of a blusher, but I sure turned red that time. I admit I HAVE written smut at work before. But in the case of those two, their relationship I think has always struck me as being more intimate than sexual. Yet, it is part of my headcanon that they do the deed at least one before he breaks up with her (discovering Ameridan's fate gave her the kick in the tush needed to actually ask Solas for sex lol). I've been wanting to write it down for quite a while now, but my brain's just not cooperating. I've been sitting on the half-done thing for the last week now.
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Post by phoray on Dec 1, 2016 18:52:18 GMT
I wouldn't recommend it then. I remember when I was a teen in vocational college, the teacher checked my screen and I was totally writing Inu Yasha fan fiction smut, and she came over to tell me that wasn't appropriate for class time. I don't blush often, I'm not much of a blusher, but I sure turned red that time. I admit I HAVE written smut at work before. But in the case of those two, their relationship I think has always struck me as being more intimate than sexual. Yet, it is part of my headcanon that they do the deed at least one before he breaks up with her (discovering Ameridan's fate gave her the kick in the tush needed to actually ask Solas for sex lol). I've been wanting to write it down for quite a while now, but my brain's just not cooperating. I've been sitting on the half-done thing for the last week now. I think it could go either way. That comment at the Winter Palace makes me think he's definitely rutted for the fun of it before. also this, which I've posted before. It amuses me so much.
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 1, 2016 18:57:05 GMT
Wow, a lot of interesting insights here. I enjoy reading them all ^^v ... honestly, I cant wait for MEA to 'move along' so BW can start making DA4 XD I really cant wait for the continuation for the story. Will it be with a new protag? Or dare I hope there will be dual protagonist this time? Kinda shocking for me, because I first started out as a ME fangirl, but DAI sorta pull me into the world of Thedas fast like a quicksand XD Blasphemy! DA is the series that keeps us occupied between ME games! The new IP is next on the agenda, though DA production will likely begin once Andromeda is in our hands. The new IP, whatever it is, has already been in development for sometime, of course. Apparently, we will finally learn something about it "after MEA's release". I think it could be a while before we get the next chapter of DA. On the one hand, I suspect that they could churn out a DAI Part 2 rather quickly, and many might be content to play again in a timely fashion. On the other, I've always loved the DA story and hated it's gameplay, so I'd love to see any lessons learned from MEA and other Fb3 games put to work in the next DA game. I think I'd rather wait, if it means we get a more polished experience than DAI, in terms of mechanics, animations, etc...
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