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Post by gervaise21 on May 5, 2017 19:17:25 GMT
If that letter to Sketch is anything more than a red herring I shall be very disappointed. Does everyone we previously encountered, even in a small way, have to be more than they appeared to be at the time?
The idea that Leliana knew that there were ancient elf agents running around the place and yet told no one about it, is very disturbing. Even if we allow that the letter was written after Trespasser, I'd still like to know exactly why Leliana would immediately come to the conclusion that Sketch was one of those agents.
Several people we have encountered have had mysterious backgrounds but usually it is because there is something there they would rather forget/escape. Leliana was just such a person herself. So it is only natural that she would pick up on the vibes that suggest her companion was being secretive about his past. If he was a former slave of Tevinter, this would be understandable because of the relentless nature of slave hunters and that surely is the more logical assumption you would attribute to his evasiveness. Why, even after Trespasser, would you automatically assume he must be yet another of Fen'Harel's agents? Apart from the fact he is an elf. Which would make every elf in Thedas suspect, including my elven Inquisitor. Mind you I always thought it odd that my Keeper would send me so far just to spy on a human gathering, so maybe she was an agent of Fen'Harel too.
Reading between the lines, it would seem that Leliana also suspected her former companion, the dwarf Tug, was connected in some way or had knowledge of the Titans. Again, why would this be? And if both Sketch and Tug did have connections to the later storylines, that is just too coincidental that the both just happened to run into Leliana at exactly the same time and that she should later play such a major part, even to the extent of a lyrium spirit reviving her if she was killed.
Is anybody in this Maker forsaken world not an agent of Fen'Harel or a puppet of ancient powers?
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Post by midnight tea on May 5, 2017 19:51:34 GMT
Those mysterious entities people are working for don't necessarily have to be Titans or Ancient elves.
Don't forget that we know of at least one unknown organization that has been keeping an eye on Inquisition and even knew Leliana by name - the Executors.
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Post by arvaarad on May 6, 2017 3:05:39 GMT
Those mysterious entities people are working for don't necessarily have to be Titans or Ancient elves. Don't forget that we know of at least one unknown organization that has been keeping an eye on Inquisition and even knew Leliana by name - the Executors. And also the Qunari (and possibly humans) originally came from the northern continent. Which is where the Executors are, if I'm remembering correctly. I still keep flashing back to how Bull sounded when asked about the northern continent. "We came south because the kossith were... I don't know. We had to leave. The stories aren't clear." I assume that kind of speech pattern - trailing off mid-sentence, then going back and revising it - gets pretty well ironed out in Ben-Hassrath training. It's the kind of thing you'd need to be able to control as a spy. I can't remember any other time Bull does it. It really caught my ear, even on my first playthrough.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on May 6, 2017 4:41:01 GMT
I'll admit the "fanning the flames" might be taking it a bit far but as for the rest, the Viddasala said that the moment the breach opened up the leadership decided something needed to be done about the south as they clearly couldn't control their magic users. Then of course they would have heard about the Inquisition being established to deal with the problem and that it was led by the Herald of Andraste, a religious title that would also be a provocation to them. Bear in mind, whilst many people probably rejected the title, equally they would have been those Inquisitors who fully embraced their "holy" status. The Qun would have to eventually put a stop to that. What has always been more of a problem for me was how the Viddasala knew the "agent of Fen'Harel" aka Solas had given his orb to Corypheus. So far as I was aware, Solas did not do this personally in order to distance himself from proceedings. His identity would have been a closely guarded secret and I thought that the only person outside his trusted agents who would have known this prior to Trespasser was Flemeth. Yet Viddasala was aware of the whole thing, which we only figured out because of various clues left lying around and our prior knowledge of Solas. So how did she know he was an agent of Fen'Harel (even if she didn't know he was Fen'Harel himself)? Flemeth may have had a contingency that involved exposing Solas to the Qunari. Or some other force working against Solas, possibly from the Fade? We've seen ancient servants of Mythal, we've seen an ancient in Felassan. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if there are ancient elves running around working in the Evanuris' favor, as well. People who may very well have recognized Solas for who and what he was when he stepped into the public eye at the Inquisitor's side, regardless of how unobtrusive he tried to be. These people fingering Solas as an "agent of Fen'Harel" to the Qunari to cause him and "his" Inquisitor trouble could be what happened. (This is all speculation, of course. I don't have concrete proof these people exist, just some theorizing and bits of evidence that seem to hint at it to me. Also, I think it'd be a good story device.)
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Post by gervaise21 on May 6, 2017 9:50:12 GMT
Well I've suggested elsewhere that there were probably enclaves of pro-Evanuris elves sleeping their way through the millennia against the time when their gods return. There are hints in the lore of the Dalish, who probably descended from one such enclave, that they expect this to happen when they "remember what it is to be true elves", in other words the Veil is dropped. So it would make sense they might be "watching" through the Fade for the moment when Fen'Harel starts activating his own followers and then follow suit in order to keep tabs on him. This is why I'm fairly certain that whatever Solas might have planned for dealing with the Evanuris, other people are going to ensure it is not successful.
So your idea that they might have tipped off the Qunari in order to cause trouble for Solas and his ally the Inquisitor does have merit.
As for the ideas about the Executors, whilst WoT2 certainly mentions about some mysterious islands to the north, I must admit I was always under the impression that the Neromenians and later the Qunari originally came from across the Amaranthine Ocean to the east, both initially landing in the north on Par Vollen. So either Bull got his lore muddled, or was being deliberately evasive in suggesting they came from the north, or the Ben'Hassrath are the ones keeping their own people in the dark about where they really came from.
The first Kossith to reach Thedas originally landed in the south of Ferelden and it is theorised that it was some of these Kossith who were originally captured by darkspawn during the First Blight, becoming the original ogres. It would be interesting to discover from the dwarves if there were ogres among the darkspawn who attack their thaigs before they emerged onto the surface because if there were then clearly the Kossith refugees were not the origin of the ogres. I also wonder if the Kossith were fleeing persecution by the Qunari or the Qun did not yet exist and that Koslun was part of this group and it was during explorations of Thedas that he came up with his philosophy that he then took back east to his people's original homeland. He is after all said to have travelled the world examining other civilisations before he came up with his ideas.
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Post by morir_a_solas on May 8, 2017 5:48:58 GMT
So I was all happy playing MEA and romancing Reyes and I thought I was doing a pretty good job too climbing out of solavellan hell and all, And then... (Spoilers?) I find a bunch of Easter eggs for DA and all progress is lost!!!! How long until DA4 again? Lol
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 18:47:04 GMT
I'm actually crossing my fingers that Executors end up being a faction from those unknown/haven't been discussed often continents. At this point in the game having them turn out to be Ancient Elves (insert whatever side/God they're on), just some knowledge Order who watches, or simply a shady group sent by Country X that we already know vaguely about isn't as exciting or shocked gasp worthy as say totally new players on the board (but having them be from Nevarra or another place we haven't physically seen wouldn't be too bad, just kind of sad we still haven't seen anything of those places ).
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Post by midnight tea on May 9, 2017 19:06:50 GMT
I'm actually crossing my fingers that Executors end up being a faction from those unknown/haven't been discussed often continents. At this point in the game having them turn out to be Ancient Elves (insert whatever side/God they're on), just some knowledge Order who watches, or simply a shady group sent by Country X that we already know vaguely about isn't as exciting or shocked gasp worthy as say totally new players on the board (but having them be from Nevarra or another place we haven't physically seen wouldn't be too bad, just kind of sad we still haven't seen anything of those places ). Heck... before all the revelations in Trespasser I thought it'd be pretty cool if we played Executors (or one of their recruits), who'd come to Thedas as outsiders to realize some shady purpose or something (and later, hijinks ensue). In fact I still think that'd be pretty cool. And yeah, I think the narrative so far makes it seem like they're a power from outside of known Thedas - the war table mission even made it its point to let us know that Leliana has determined that those are not Qunari... and it is the farthest known 'power from across the sea' that we know, as well as the most 'alien' one from known races and cultures (if it was Nevarran or, say, Antivan, I think Leliana would have even easier time identifying it).
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 19:15:39 GMT
I'm actually crossing my fingers that Executors end up being a faction from those unknown/haven't been discussed often continents. At this point in the game having them turn out to be Ancient Elves (insert whatever side/God they're on), just some knowledge Order who watches, or simply a shady group sent by Country X that we already know vaguely about isn't as exciting or shocked gasp worthy as say totally new players on the board (but having them be from Nevarra or another place we haven't physically seen wouldn't be too bad, just kind of sad we still haven't seen anything of those places ). Heck... before all the revelations in Trespasser I thought it'd be pretty cool if we played Executors (or one of their recruits), who'd come to Thedas as outsiders to realize some shady purpose or something (and later, hijinks ensue). In fact I still think that'd be pretty cool. And yeah, I think the narrative so far makes it seem like they're a power from outside of known Thedas - the war table mission even made it its point to let us know that Leliana has determined that those are not Qunari... and it is the farthest known 'power from across the sea' that we know, as well as the most 'alien' one from known races and cultures (if it was Nevarran or, say, Antivan, I think Leliana would have even easier time identifying it). This is exactly why I'm hoping they are in fact from outside Thedas and its known lands. Leliana's descriptions and those war table tidbits got me so excited that maybe there are people who are probably forces to be reckoned with and possibly even have their own beef with Thedas' 'Gods'.
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Post by arvaarad on May 9, 2017 20:01:59 GMT
Heck... before all the revelations in Trespasser I thought it'd be pretty cool if we played Executors (or one of their recruits), who'd come to Thedas as outsiders to realize some shady purpose or something (and later, hijinks ensue). In fact I still think that'd be pretty cool. And yeah, I think the narrative so far makes it seem like they're a power from outside of known Thedas - the war table mission even made it its point to let us know that Leliana has determined that those are not Qunari... and it is the farthest known 'power from across the sea' that we know, as well as the most 'alien' one from known races and cultures (if it was Nevarran or, say, Antivan, I think Leliana would have even easier time identifying it). This is exactly why I'm hoping they are in fact from outside Thedas and its known lands. Leliana's descriptions and those war table tidbits got me so excited that maybe there are people who are probably forces to be reckoned with and possibly even have their own beef with Thedas' 'Gods'. The part that has me curious is whether the Fade extends to the northern continent. Could we potentially meet spirits that have talked to people from up there? Perhaps the only reason it's shrouded in mystery is because the northernmost people (mostly Qunari) mute or kill anyone even suspected of talking to spirits. Or... hold on a second. Maybe that's why they're so scared of letting spirits talk to people. Maybe whatever the Qunari fled from could potentially harm them through the Fade. O_O
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2017 20:06:26 GMT
This is exactly why I'm hoping they are in fact from outside Thedas and its known lands. Leliana's descriptions and those war table tidbits got me so excited that maybe there are people who are probably forces to be reckoned with and possibly even have their own beef with Thedas' 'Gods'. The part that has me curious is whether the Fade extends to the northern continent. Could we potentially meet spirits that have talked to people from up there? Perhaps the only reason it's shrouded in mystery is because the northernmost people (mostly Qunari) mute or kill anyone even suspected of talking to spirits. Or... hold on a second. Maybe that's why they're so scared of letting spirits talk to people. Maybe whatever the Qunari fled from could potentially harm them through the Fade. O_O I'm wondering if its not actually something more Mundane in a sense. As if the Fade and magic are more a part of Thedas and those 'mystery continents' are a wasteland of normals and perhaps even Science to make up for the lack of magic. Would be nifty if that was true.
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Post by arvaarad on May 9, 2017 21:11:38 GMT
The part that has me curious is whether the Fade extends to the northern continent. Could we potentially meet spirits that have talked to people from up there? Perhaps the only reason it's shrouded in mystery is because the northernmost people (mostly Qunari) mute or kill anyone even suspected of talking to spirits. Or... hold on a second. Maybe that's why they're so scared of letting spirits talk to people. Maybe whatever the Qunari fled from could potentially harm them through the Fade. O_O I'm wondering if its not actually something more Mundane in a sense. As if the Fade and magic are more a part of Thedas and those 'mystery continents' are a wasteland of normals and perhaps even Science to make up for the lack of magic. Would be nifty if that was true. Another possibility is that they're a wasteland, full stop. We head up there and it's just the Executors living in a jungle treehouse acting all shifty. "Where is everyone?" *eyes dart back and forth* "This is the northern continent, right? *pulls out a piece of chalk, draws graffitti on a nearby palm tree, and stealthily crab-walks back into the treehouse* "Errrr... hello?" "Weeee observvvve youuuu frommm afarrrrrr, southernnnnners. We arrrre the EXECUUUTORSSS." "You're... three dudes in a treehouse." *poorly made wind noises*
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on May 10, 2017 1:45:41 GMT
I'm wondering if its not actually something more Mundane in a sense. As if the Fade and magic are more a part of Thedas and those 'mystery continents' are a wasteland of normals and perhaps even Science to make up for the lack of magic. Would be nifty if that was true. Another possibility is that they're a wasteland, full stop. We head up there and it's just the Executors living in a jungle treehouse acting all shifty. "Where is everyone?" *eyes dart back and forth* "This is the northern continent, right? *pulls out a piece of chalk, draws graffitti on a nearby palm tree, and stealthily crab-walks back into the treehouse* "Errrr... hello?" "Weeee observvvve youuuu frommm afarrrrrr, southernnnnners. We arrrre the EXECUUUTORSSS." "You're... three dudes in a treehouse." *poorly made wind noises* Ok, first off, I love your posts. lol Secondly, I'm hoping that the lizard people from teh deep roads and elven mosaics are gonna be a Thing at some point.
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Post by midnight tea on May 10, 2017 2:15:51 GMT
Another possibility is that they're a wasteland, full stop. We head up there and it's just the Executors living in a jungle treehouse acting all shifty. "Where is everyone?" *eyes dart back and forth* "This is the northern continent, right? *pulls out a piece of chalk, draws graffitti on a nearby palm tree, and stealthily crab-walks back into the treehouse* "Errrr... hello?" "Weeee observvvve youuuu frommm afarrrrrr, southernnnnners. We arrrre the EXECUUUTORSSS." "You're... three dudes in a treehouse." *poorly made wind noises* Ok, first off, I love your posts. lol Secondly, I'm hoping that the lizard people from teh deep roads and elven mosaics are gonna be a Thing at some point. Laidlaw has recently stated on his Twitter that any thing brought in their games will be expanded upon at one point or another.
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Post by arvaarad on May 10, 2017 2:38:54 GMT
Ok, first off, I love your posts. lol Secondly, I'm hoping that the lizard people from teh deep roads and elven mosaics are gonna be a Thing at some point. Laidlaw has recently stated on his Twitter that any thing brought in their games will be expanded upon at one point or another. Anything? I'm going to go ahead and take that as ironclad proof that the Horned Knight will appear in a main game. I await my chance to unwisely accept all his questionable forest-gifts! But seriously: yes, the Scaled Ones. And the Void in general. I'd like to know whether it's a location in the Deep Roads or if it's something more fundamental. Perhaps the Wellspring is the Well of All Souls, but Well of All Souls is writing some checks that the Wellspring has yet to cash.
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One of the best art posts I've seen... bless you Sunny. It's actually incredible to see that there's people still churning out so much cool content just for this weird Fade guy
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Okay, correct me if I'm wrong here. So Dragon Age: Knight Errant is post Trespasser. BUT! I read the first 7 pages they have posted as preview and it said Varric is coming into being Viscount? During Trespasser DLC he was already Viscount and wasn't Kirkwall's channel filled with rocks from the Fade? I must be missing something. Or is the five issues of Knight Errant supposed to take us through Trespasser timeline and end after Trespasser DLC, thus being post Trespasser? I want to read only because its supposed to be canon and could give tidbits of what the world-state is supposed to be like after Trespasser but I was honestly disappointed with Mage Killer and don't want to be burned all over again....
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Post by midnight tea on May 10, 2017 20:40:02 GMT
Okay, correct me if I'm wrong here. So Dragon Age: Knight Errant is post Trespasser. BUT! I read the first 7 pages they have posted as preview and it said Varric is coming into being Viscount? During Trespasser DLC he was already Viscount and wasn't Kirkwall's channel filled with rocks from the Fade? I must be missing something. Or is the five issues of Knight Errant supposed to take us through Trespasser timeline and end after Trespasser DLC, thus being post Trespasser? I want to read only because its supposed to be canon and could give tidbits of what the world-state is supposed to be like after Trespasser but I was honestly disappointed with Mage Killer and don't want to be burned all over again.... I think he was already a Viscount in a sense that he was already governing the city, but hasn't yet went through all the bureaucratic process and official ceremony of some sort. Also - the whole exchange in Trespasser suggests that the whole 'viscount' thing happened to Varric very recently, considering that Inquisitor - likely the most informed person on the South - didn't know about it yet. And the letter is from somewhere before that.
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Okay, correct me if I'm wrong here. So Dragon Age: Knight Errant is post Trespasser. BUT! I read the first 7 pages they have posted as preview and it said Varric is coming into being Viscount? During Trespasser DLC he was already Viscount and wasn't Kirkwall's channel filled with rocks from the Fade? I must be missing something. Or is the five issues of Knight Errant supposed to take us through Trespasser timeline and end after Trespasser DLC, thus being post Trespasser? I want to read only because its supposed to be canon and could give tidbits of what the world-state is supposed to be like after Trespasser but I was honestly disappointed with Mage Killer and don't want to be burned all over again.... I think he was already a Viscount in a sense that he was already governing the city, but hasn't yet went through all the bureaucratic process and official ceremony of some sort. Also - the whole exchange in Trespasser suggests that the whole 'viscount' thing happened to Varric very recently, considering that Inquisitor - likely the most informed person on the South - didn't know about it yet. And the letter is from somewhere before that. Crossing the fingers and toes we actually get some insight into Post Trespasser world state. Would be so butt-hurt if they pull another Mage Killer .
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Post by midnight tea on May 10, 2017 22:35:25 GMT
I think he was already a Viscount in a sense that he was already governing the city, but hasn't yet went through all the bureaucratic process and official ceremony of some sort. Also - the whole exchange in Trespasser suggests that the whole 'viscount' thing happened to Varric very recently, considering that Inquisitor - likely the most informed person on the South - didn't know about it yet. And the letter is from somewhere before that. Crossing the fingers and toes we actually get some insight into Post Trespasser world state. Would be so butt-hurt if they pull another Mage Killer . I wouldn't count on anything grand - we'd probably get a few hints, maybe one or two revelations of moderate caliber, just to whet our appetites. I'd be surprised if they'd want to spoil too much, especially from a game that isn't finished yet. I myself am fairly sure that they know where the story is going, but they'd probably want to leave themselves enough room for whatever they're planning in case some things change. As for the comic itself: There's not much in issue #1 - the comic so far takes its time to establish the character(s) and the hint of bigger plot really shows up just on the last page. The biggest revelation so far is that Inquisition Is Still A Thing, no matter whether it was disbanded or absorbed into the Chantry... which isn't really news, considering that we see the new Inquisition circle in post-epilogue scene in Trespasser, and many epilogue cards hint at Shadow Inquisition and its leader chugging forward.
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Crossing the fingers and toes we actually get some insight into Post Trespasser world state. Would be so butt-hurt if they pull another Mage Killer . I wouldn't count on anything grand - we'd probably get a few hints, maybe one or two revelations of moderate caliber, just to whet our appetites. I'd be surprised if they'd want to spoil too much, especially from a game that isn't finished yet. I myself am fairly sure that they know where the story is going, but they'd probably want to leave themselves enough room for whatever they're planning in case some things change. As for the comic itself: There's not much in issue #1 - the comic so far takes its time to establish the character(s) and the hint of bigger plot really shows up just on the last page. The biggest revelation so far is that Inquisition Is Still A Thing, no matter whether it was disbanded or absorbed into the Chantry... which isn't really news, considering that we see the new Inquisition circle in post-epilogue scene in Trespasser, and many epilogue cards hint at Shadow Inquisition and its leader chugging forward. Yeah I figured as much. I'm just hoping we get more of what's going on in the World, not necessarily everything or explicit confirmation on things, but maybe like Fade is floating in in more places, there's Earthquakes, I don't know, more than what Mage Killer gave
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Post by ladyiolanthe on May 11, 2017 1:14:03 GMT
Hee, in Knight Errant, they have gone back to elves having horizontal pupils like goats and horses...
I'm glad they didn't have horizontal pupils in DAI... Imagine Solas with goat eyes.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 1:18:25 GMT
Hee, in Knight Errant, they have gone back to elves having horizontal pupils like goats and horses... I'm glad they didn't have horizontal pupils in DAI... Imagine Solas with goat eyes. Please someone photoshop this! Inquisitor: "Solas -no! Fen'Harel!, I have come to end this. Today we settle things once and for all!" *Dramatic camera turn* Solas: "BAAH!"
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