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Post by ladyiolanthe on May 11, 2017 1:20:38 GMT
They've also made good on elves having facial hair. I see at least one with several days' growth on his cheeks and chin.
We've already seen Solas with a beard... I'm not convinced he is a beard man.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 1:24:44 GMT
They've also made good on elves having facial hair. I see at least one with several days' growth on his cheeks and chin. We've already seen Solas with a beard... I'm not convinced he is a beard man. Lol, no way! They backtracked again over whether Elves have facial hair? Whelp, they did say that Knight Errant was another canon part of the Dragon Age Universe so I guess retcon on Elves being able to grow a beard just like humans is back on.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on May 11, 2017 1:34:38 GMT
For the curious: Goat-eyed Vaea Elf with facial hair (it cannot hope to rival the glory of Blackwall's beard, though...)
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 1:40:48 GMT
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Post by lynroy on May 11, 2017 1:41:20 GMT
I wouldn't say they backtracked, just that the comic artist doesn't know that elves in the DA universe can't grow beards.
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Post by midnight tea on May 11, 2017 1:44:40 GMT
They've also made good on elves having facial hair. I see at least one with several days' growth on his cheeks and chin. We've already seen Solas with a beard... I'm not convinced he is a beard man. Lol, no way! They backtracked again over whether Elves have facial hair? Whelp, they did say that Knight Errant was another canon part of the Dragon Age Universe so I guess retcon on Elves being able to grow a beard just like humans is back on. I don't think we should take a stylistic choice of an artist working outside of Bioware and drawing some sort of elf in the background as a proof that they've backtracked on facial hair, same way we shouldn't think that elves have goat eyes, because the artist chose to give Vaea ones (no other elves have such eyes, btw).
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 1:49:27 GMT
See, but that is a problem. Eyes are one thing, artistic choice, but putting in something like facial hair when it is supposed to be canon that Elves don't have it, that's an oversight and giant no-no. This comic is stated as being part of the Lore and Canon for DA Universe, stuff like that should have been caught and made aware of for the artist. *Edit: Yes, it's nitpicking
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Post by midnight tea on May 11, 2017 1:55:06 GMT
See, but that is a problem. Eyes are one thing, artistic choice, but putting in something like facial hair when it is supposed to be canon that Elves don't have it, that's an oversight and giant no-no. This comic is stated as being part of the Lore and Canon for DA Universe, stuff like that should have been caught and made aware of for the artist. No, this is not oversight and a giant no-no. This is just nitpicking. Calm down.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 1:57:57 GMT
I am. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I was simply pointing out that something that is canon should be looked over a second time?
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Post by midnight tea on May 11, 2017 2:03:40 GMT
I am. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I was simply pointing out that something that is canon should be looked over a second time? Whoever in Bioware was assigned to check the comic probably didn't think there would be people who'd pay attention to such minor details And I am saying as someone who is usually obsessed with details. I've learned to let some of it go, especially in stuff like games... or comics. I've been drawing some and I know how straining it can be, especially if schedule is tight. Granted, this comic does look batter than Magekiller - Magekiller looked like someone's drawn the whole of it in the evening before the deadline
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 2:12:40 GMT
Mage Killer didn't bother me too bad most of the time. I kind of liked the art style at some points? I believe my only real beef with it was that I paid for it expecting to get a small nugget of information of what happened between Inquisition and Trespasser or even something Easter-eggy about Trespasser. Turns out other than perhaps giving a glimpse of possible (??) companions or side NPCs/mentions, it didn't add anything
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Post by ladyiolanthe on May 11, 2017 2:19:06 GMT
I don't think we should take a stylistic choice of an artist working outside of Bioware and drawing some sort of elf in the background as a proof that they've backtracked on facial hair, same way we shouldn't think that elves have goat eyes, because the artist chose to give Vaea ones (no other elves have such eyes, btw). I am not worried about it; I find it amusing, but wouldn't be so quick to discount these observations... I remember a ll the elves in DA2 had horizontal pupils (don't know about Fenris since I missed picking him up or Tallis since I never got MotA), and the one other elf whom we see a close-up of in Knight Errant also does. The other close up of an elf, showing horizontal pupils: The elf with facial hair is actually in the foreground of his panel. Which isn't to say that he isn't just filler for the frame, but he's pretty front and centre. It's possible that BioWare is giving the artist creative license but it's also possible that the artist had BioWare's blessings to give elves horizontal pupils and facial hair, since people like Mike Laidlaw definitely seemed to be involved in the comic's development (based on some of his tweets). Also, he and several other prominent members of the DA team are given special thanks on the frontispiece to the comic, which suggests the comic writers and/or artists may have possibly asked them some questions about the setting. Section of the Knight Errant 1 frontispiece: And... I'm pretty sure they know how detail-oriented a good chunk of their fans are, considering the lengths to which fans will go to scrutinize even the fuzziest photo from a team meeting or the many photos of a dev conference to find the one person who might be wearing the secret IP logo on his T-shirt!
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Post by arvaarad on May 11, 2017 2:30:25 GMT
Hee, in Knight Errant, they have gone back to elves having horizontal pupils like goats and horses... I'm glad they didn't have horizontal pupils in DAI... Imagine Solas with goat eyes. Please someone photoshop this! Inquisitor: "Solas -no! Fen'Harel!, I have come to end this. Today we settle things once and for all!" *Dramatic camera turn* Solas: "BAAH!" "And I answered, as is my custom, by smacking your holdings with goats' blood."
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Post by Elessara on May 11, 2017 2:33:58 GMT
I don't think we should take a stylistic choice of an artist working outside of Bioware and drawing some sort of elf in the background as a proof that they've backtracked on facial hair, same way we shouldn't think that elves have goat eyes, because the artist chose to give Vaea ones (no other elves have such eyes, btw). I am not worried about it; I find it amusing, but wouldn't be so quick to discount these observations... I remember a ll the elves in DA2 had horizontal pupils (don't know about Fenris since I missed picking him up or Tallis since I never got MotA), and the one other elf whom we see a close-up of in Knight Errant also does. The other close up of an elf, showing horizontal pupils: The elf with facial hair is actually in the foreground of his panel. Which isn't to say that he isn't just filler for the frame, but he's pretty front and centre. It's possible that BioWare is giving the artist creative license but it's also possible that the artist had BioWare's blessings to give elves horizontal pupils and facial hair, since people like Mike Laidlaw definitely seemed to be involved in the comic's development (based on some of his tweets). Also, he and several other prominent members of the DA team are given special thanks on the frontispiece to the comic, which suggests the comic writers and/or artists may have possibly asked them some questions about the setting. Section of the Knight Errant 1 frontispiece: And... I'm pretty sure they know how detail-oriented a good chunk of their fans are, considering the lengths to which fans will go to scrutinize even the fuzziest photo from a team meeting or the many photos of a dev conference to find the one person who might be wearing the secret IP logo on his T-shirt! In all of the screenshots I can see, the pupils of the DA2 elves are round? The eyes are large, the pupils are smaller than usual and thus the iris is larger but the pupils are still round. I'm not sure where these horizontal pupils are coming from.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on May 11, 2017 2:37:23 GMT
In all of the screenshots I can see, the pupils of the DA2 elves are round? The eyes are large, the pupils are smaller than usual and thus the iris is larger but the pupils are still round. I'm not sure where these horizontal pupils are coming from. Yeah, I've been looking up screenshots from DA2 as well and you're right, but I have clear memories of finding DA2 elf eyes weird because of horizontal pupils. Perhaps it was a trick of the screen I was playing it on, or else my eyes were playing tricks on me. The white spots to make the elf eyes look bright/wet do sort of make the pupil look a little elongated, but not enough to explain my memory of weirdass pupils. ETA: The elves in Those Who Speak have goat eyes, so maybe I'm conflating my memory of that comic series with DA2. Interesting that the comics seem to give elves horizontal pupils while the games do not.
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Post by midnight tea on May 11, 2017 2:37:50 GMT
I don't think we should take a stylistic choice of an artist working outside of Bioware and drawing some sort of elf in the background as a proof that they've backtracked on facial hair, same way we shouldn't think that elves have goat eyes, because the artist chose to give Vaea ones (no other elves have such eyes, btw). I am not worried about it; I find it amusing, but wouldn't be so quick to discount these observations... All the elves in DA2 had horizontal pupils, and the one other elf whom we see a close-up of in Knight Errant also does. The other close up of an elf, showing horizontal pupils: Charter doesn't have horizontal pupils - they're nowhere near Vaea's. As for all elves having horizontal pupils.... they didn't? I went to check a few screenshots to make sure if I remember correctly and none had horizontal pupils. If there were instances that they had, it likely had more to do with graphic limitations or a simple bug. Plus - intentional or not, DA2 stylistic choice wasn't present in DAO and didn't survive to see Inquisition, and Inquisition is now THE benchmark of how things in universe looks (and somehow I doubt DA4 will be much different, graphic-wise), boosted by the fact that currente engine helps them render way more realistic models than ever before. ^^; You're thinking about it way too literally. Whether they're front or not doesn't change the fact that in reality they're part of background noise - a simple filler in the scene. They're there to fill the scene, not put focus on - this is why all the front tables are in the shadow and kinda grayish. Just because Mike Laidlaw is involved, doesn't mean that he oversaw the comic being drawn. He might have as well given the artist enough creative license to go wild with the style, or just didn't pay attention to details like that and have written it off as a style choice (after all, both Magekiller and this comic have very different style compared to any game, or even between themselves). After all, Mike Laidlaw is a creative director and not an editor. It's editor's job to squash stuff like that.
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Post by Elessara on May 11, 2017 2:42:27 GMT
In all of the screenshots I can see, the pupils of the DA2 elves are round? The eyes are large, the pupils are smaller than usual and thus the iris is larger but the pupils are still round. I'm not sure where these horizontal pupils are coming from. Yeah, I've been looking up screenshots from DA2 as well and you're right, but I have clear memories of finding DA2 elf eyes weird because of horizontal pupils. Perhaps it was a trick of the screen I was playing it on, or else my eyes were playing tricks on me. The white spots to make the elf eyes look bright/wet do sort of make the pupil look a little elongated, but not enough to explain my memory of weirdass pupils. I just hope they're not redesigning elves .. AGAIN. And oblong, horizontal pupils looks stupid on people (in my opinion). Didn't they learn from DA2 when they tried to make elves look different? Some of them looked way too .. weird. Fenris and Merrill were the only decent looking elves really and that's because they looked more normal than the others. I get they want to make them more than "humans with pointy ears" but honestly, since Tolkien, that's pretty much what elves have looked like. And I, for one, am ok with that.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 2:50:05 GMT
Yeah, I've been looking up screenshots from DA2 as well and you're right, but I have clear memories of finding DA2 elf eyes weird because of horizontal pupils. Perhaps it was a trick of the screen I was playing it on, or else my eyes were playing tricks on me. The white spots to make the elf eyes look bright/wet do sort of make the pupil look a little elongated, but not enough to explain my memory of weirdass pupils. I just hope they're not redesigning elves .. AGAIN. And oblong, horizontal pupils looks stupid on people (in my opinion). Didn't they learn from DA2 when they tried to make elves look different? Some of them looked way too .. weird. Fenris and Merrill were the only decent looking elves really and that's because they looked more normal than the others. I get they want to make them more than "humans with pointy ears" but honestly, since Tolkien, that's pretty much what elves have looked like. And I, for one, am ok with that. I don't think the Elves are going to get changed, maybe tweaked for DA4 but I think they are where they want to be design-wise for their races. Now if they want to slide on back to DA2 style Qunari I won't complain....
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Post by midnight tea on May 11, 2017 3:00:05 GMT
I just hope they're not redesigning elves .. AGAIN. And oblong, horizontal pupils looks stupid on people (in my opinion). Didn't they learn from DA2 when they tried to make elves look different? Some of them looked way too .. weird. Fenris and Merrill were the only decent looking elves really and that's because they looked more normal than the others. I get they want to make them more than "humans with pointy ears" but honestly, since Tolkien, that's pretty much what elves have looked like. And I, for one, am ok with that. I don't think the Elves are going to get changed, maybe tweaked for DA4 but I think they are where they want to be design-wise for their races. Now if they want to slide on back to DA2 style Qunari I won't complain.... Switching style now would make no sense. They had to recreate assets from the scratch when they switched engine to Frostbite, so they used it as an opportunity to update the whole visual side of Thedas - now it's time for refinement, not redesign.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 3:05:15 GMT
I don't think the Elves are going to get changed, maybe tweaked for DA4 but I think they are where they want to be design-wise for their races. Now if they want to slide on back to DA2 style Qunari I won't complain.... Switching style now would make no sense. They had to recreate assets from the scratch when they switched engine to Frostbite, so they used it as an opportunity to update the whole visual side of Thedas - now it's time for refinement, not redesign. Yup. Pretty confident what we received in Trespasser (since they dropped older consoles entirely) is what we are going to get going into DA4. I just like DA style Qunari . I mean, Woof
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Post by ladyiolanthe on May 11, 2017 3:07:58 GMT
I am hopeful that DA4 Solas, if we encounter him, will look much as he did in Trespasser, yes.
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Post by cloud9 on May 11, 2017 7:19:54 GMT
Another thing I don't like about Solas is that he is emotionally a dumb person, like when I took him on an mission with Iron Bull and he was pissed at Gat because he's with the Qun. He was rescued by Iron Bull when he was a kid and he took him in to the care of the Qunari. And Solas is pissed because he joined them to find his purpose in life? Wow Solas you're pretty dull.....
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Post by lynroy on May 11, 2017 7:31:26 GMT
You really should try a new dance routine. This one is stale. You continue to ignore dialogue and explanations in game just to keep your narrow point of view.
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Post by cloud9 on May 11, 2017 8:16:23 GMT
You really should try a new dance routine. This one is stale. You continue to ignore dialogue and explanations in game just to keep your narrow point of view.
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Post by Elessara on May 11, 2017 10:44:49 GMT
You really should try a new dance routine. This one is stale. You continue to ignore dialogue and explanations in game just to keep your narrow point of view. Eh, I just blocked him. To be clear, I didn't block him because he doesn't like Solas. That's fine. I blocked him because he'd rather be insulting and post large, silly quote things than engage in an actual discussion.
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