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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2017 1:54:18 GMT
Mouse is a curious example. I've been thinking about Mouse today, too. He never struck me as evil, but rather as helpful. Almost as if he was playing at being a demon for the sake of the Harrowing, and never really meant to possess you. It's been a while, but I think he even imparts some wisdom before he disappears. He doesn't bother to fight your character when they resist, and doesn't possess them when they don't (admonishes them for being stupid if I recall correctly), which to me reinforces the idea that he didn't want to possess the PC at all. I think he can be a good example of demons not being evil by default, so Merrill was probably on to something. Maybe I'm just reading him incorrectly, though. "Simple killing is a warriors job. The real dangers of the Fade are preconceptions, careless trust, pride. Keep your wits about you mage, true tests never end." - Mouse
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Post by lobselvith8 on Jan 9, 2017 2:09:33 GMT
Mouse is a curious example. I've been thinking about Mouse today, too. He never struck me as evil, but rather as helpful. Almost as if he was playing at being a demon for the sake of the Harrowing, and never really meant to possess you. It's been a while, but I think he even imparts some wisdom before he disappears. He doesn't bother to fight your character when they resist, and doesn't possess them when they don't (admonishes them for being stupid if I recall correctly), which to me reinforces the idea that he didn't want to possess the PC at all. I think he can be a good example of demons not being evil by default, so Merrill was probably on to something. Maybe I'm just reading him incorrectly, though. Mouse was an intriguing part of the Magi Origin because it seemed there was more to him than simply being an adversary or a test. I also felt the red of his robes gave away his true nature when I replayed my Surana Warden. "True tests... never end" was quite true for a mage, and it's a bit of wisdom that certainly does make him helpful. I think Merrill was certainly on to something. Interestingly enough, Solas and her do echo some of the same sentiments. Both view blood magic as a tool, and don't think it's automatically evil. Both view spirits as more nuanced than a religious connotation of the Chantry that some are good and others are evil. Both of them were willing to risk their lives for their people. Both even respect Mythal, after a fashion. I think they could have had some interesting discussions and debates, given their similarities and differences. Merrill shows in her conversations with Anders (who tries to push his Andrastian views on her a few times) that she can hold her own, and I'm curious what topics Solas would broach with her since she's open to discussion.
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Post by Elessara on Jan 9, 2017 2:29:22 GMT
Nah, I get it . That was a much better way of wording my musing of Spirits being more than just 'Justice', 'Pride', etc. As far as dreamers witnessing demons in the Fade, it could also be that Spirits have more than just one appearance. Kinda like how you have different people and races, Spirits won't always seem like a ghostly figure, they can look 'demonic' in a sense and this is where some of the misconception came from? I mean we have instances in real life where an animal was given an evil connotation because it was new and misunderstood. I am not very eloquent and I'm not sure that made sense at all.... Reminds me of how in the Bible, angels have terrifying and alien descriptions, and how demons are just fallen angels. So they don't look horrifying because they're demons, or evil, that's just how they looked, lol. Worth noting also that Christians addressed the belief culturally of other gods that were still represented in sculptures and so on by calling them demons, changing the greek word for spirits with godly qualities, usually good deities to mean almost the opposite. For instance, Ba'al was a Philistine god, and he was later called Beelzebub, which is a demon, and prince of hell in Christian demonology. Which all started from them calling Ba'al Ba'al zebub "Lord of the flies", or basically a god of shit, lol. So in other words, the idea that demons are just misunderstood spirits or deities reformed by other cultures is there and very valid. Who knows, pride demons might start looking like wolves one day in Thedas. They choose to see pride and so on as evil spirits, so that's what they get. You go looking for evil, you'll find evil. But but ... I thought Baal was the Lord of Destruction, one of the three Prime Evils in the Diablo games! Now you're just trying to confuse me, Colonel! Also, nice to see you again! And happy birthday, Capricorn! *waves hand* You all see an amazing Solas screenshot in this post.
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Post by colonelkillabee on Jan 9, 2017 4:11:05 GMT
Reminds me of how in the Bible, angels have terrifying and alien descriptions, and how demons are just fallen angels. So they don't look horrifying because they're demons, or evil, that's just how they looked, lol. Worth noting also that Christians addressed the belief culturally of other gods that were still represented in sculptures and so on by calling them demons, changing the greek word for spirits with godly qualities, usually good deities to mean almost the opposite. For instance, Ba'al was a Philistine god, and he was later called Beelzebub, which is a demon, and prince of hell in Christian demonology. Which all started from them calling Ba'al Ba'al zebub "Lord of the flies", or basically a god of shit, lol. So in other words, the idea that demons are just misunderstood spirits or deities reformed by other cultures is there and very valid. Who knows, pride demons might start looking like wolves one day in Thedas. They choose to see pride and so on as evil spirits, so that's what they get. You go looking for evil, you'll find evil. But but ... I thought Baal was the Lord of Destruction, one of the three Prime Evils in the Diablo games! Now you're just trying to confuse me, Colonel! Also, nice to see you again! And happy birthday, Capricorn! *waves hand* You all see an amazing Solas screenshot in this post. And I thought he was just a devilishly handsome asshole possessed by an alien race called Goa'ulds who impersonate Egyptian gods, but I'm likely the only Nerd here who knows where that comes from lol XD. Good to see you too!
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jan 9, 2017 4:50:31 GMT
But but ... I thought Baal was the Lord of Destruction, one of the three Prime Evils in the Diablo games! Now you're just trying to confuse me, Colonel! Also, nice to see you again! And happy birthday, Capricorn! *waves hand* You all see an amazing Solas screenshot in this post. And I thought he was just a devilishly handsome asshole possessed by an alien race called Goa'ulds who impersonate Egyptian gods, but I'm likely the only Nerd here who knows where that comes from lol XD. Good to see you too!
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Post by colonelkillabee on Jan 9, 2017 5:27:46 GMT
And I thought he was just a devilishly handsome asshole possessed by an alien race called Goa'ulds who impersonate Egyptian gods, but I'm likely the only Nerd here who knows where that comes from lol XD. Good to see you too! !!!!! You and I are officially friends.
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Post by colonelkillabee on Jan 9, 2017 6:12:35 GMT
All that demon/god/spirit talk gives more credence to the Avvar too. If you see a demon or demons as gods, then why the hell couldn't they be? Though I don't know what's worse, spirits embodying demonic traits or godly ones. That fucking dragon and the fight before when he's in human form, the most frustrating shit ever. I had to go back and make the best possible gear I could, which was just identical to my gear except all of it resistant to frost, just to finish off that damn dragon, and I had two champions, Cass, and friggin Solas in a team. Plus everyone was using frost potions.
Felt good killing him finally.
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Post by Natashina on Jan 9, 2017 8:29:13 GMT
Hmm, I think I might need to lurk here more often. I'm glad you guys got past the art debate. Those kinds of debates never lead anywhere nice. No one's in trouble, but I will intervene sooner before things get that heated.
Sugar, sorry to hear that you're no longer comfortable posting your art here. Hopefully you'll change your mind in time. <hug>
Sunny, happy birthday!
I was thinking about it and I'm actually quite sad that Merrill was not in this game at all. Solas would have probably really liked her and she would have made for an excellent student. I'm sure she would have been much more receptive to Solas than Sera was.
In fact, I wish all three elves had been in the same party. Solas as an ancient elf; Merrill as a proud and passionate Dalish; and Sera as a "people people." Now that, would have been cool. I haven't played much since New Year's (on my 3rd IQ in about 4 weeks,) but it would have been nice to have someone that's a bit more of a middle ground between the Wolf and the very modern-centric Sera. Get rid of Vivienne and there would have been a second mage slot.
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Post by CapricornSun on Jan 9, 2017 9:48:18 GMT
Thank you so much everyone for the wonderful birthday greetings! *gathers everyone in one giant group hug* Ooooooh! Nice, nice! Thank you so much for sharing that with me, hehe!
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Post by Auirel on Jan 9, 2017 11:23:54 GMT
I'm sure its a combination of the good photography skills and excellent lighting and perfect sculpting skills, but I honestly can't believe that sculpture is a real thing. My brain can't process that someone created something that so faithfully depicts his face. I saw some other sculptures of his but with the colour added, its just.. I've tried to describe it with words. There are none. Its too good and too awesome.
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Post by Garnet on Jan 9, 2017 11:45:31 GMT
*Stares at all my crappy drawings I'm afraid to color digitally which can be undone at any time* ........ Well then! My point is: WOW. Can you imagine how scary it was to PAINT that thing??! It was already perfect... and now it's somehow more perfect. I am in awe... Also, Hi Blanketfort! It's been a while since I've said anything. Still drowning in solavellan hell, but with distractions! Also also, Happy birthday to CapricornSun ! Blow out the candles on your frilly cake!
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Post by Elessara on Jan 9, 2017 12:21:17 GMT
But but ... I thought Baal was the Lord of Destruction, one of the three Prime Evils in the Diablo games! Now you're just trying to confuse me, Colonel! Also, nice to see you again! And happy birthday, Capricorn! *waves hand* You all see an amazing Solas screenshot in this post. And I thought he was just a devilishly handsome asshole possessed by an alien race called Goa'ulds who impersonate Egyptian gods, but I'm likely the only Nerd here who knows where that comes from lol XD. Good to see you too! Without even reading past this post I know very well that you're talking about Stargate SG-1. Do I win a cookie?
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Post by Elessara on Jan 9, 2017 12:23:49 GMT
All that demon/god/spirit talk gives more credence to the Avvar too. If you see a demon or demons as gods, then why the hell couldn't they be? Though I don't know what's worse, spirits embodying demonic traits or godly ones. That fucking dragon and the fight before when he's in human form, the most frustrating shit ever. I had to go back and make the best possible gear I could, which was just identical to my gear except all of it resistant to frost, just to finish off that damn dragon, and I had two champions, Cass, and friggin Solas in a team. Plus everyone was using frost potions. Felt good killing him finally. The dragon wasn't even the problem for me. After the Gurd Harofsen fight she was a pushover. Omg that fight (on Nightmare)! I think that's the most I've ever died in a game except maybe Tomb Raider (the 2013 one).
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Post by forgetmenot on Jan 9, 2017 13:01:30 GMT
3rd attempt!! I'm mega happy with this I'm improving each time. I didn't even know I could draw! Yayness!
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Post by colonelkillabee on Jan 9, 2017 14:29:58 GMT
Hmm, I think I might need to lurk here more often. I'm glad you guys got past the art debate. Those kinds of debates never lead anywhere nice. No one's in trouble, but I will intervene sooner before things get that heated. Sugar, sorry to hear that you're no longer comfortable posting your art here. Hopefully you'll change your mind in time. <hug> Sunny, happy birthday! I was thinking about it and I'm actually quite sad that Merrill was not in this game at all. Solas would have probably really liked her and she would have made for an excellent student. I'm sure she would have been much more receptive to Solas than Sera was. In fact, I wish all three elves had been in the same party. Solas as an ancient elf; Merrill as a proud and passionate Dalish; and Sera as a "people people." Now that, would have been cool. I haven't played much since New Year's (on my 3rd IQ in about 4 weeks,) but it would have been nice to have someone that's a bit more of a middle ground between the Wolf and the very modern-centric Sera. Get rid of Vivienne and there would have been a second mage slot.That would've been great, I really miss Merrill. She almost makes me want to play Dragon Age 2 again. Almost. I think they'd have a good start at first until Solas learned she was a blood mage. He as we all know can be arrogant and judgmental, though it's not unfounded. Who knows, maybe she matured though and would take the criticism well, if she'd look to learn from Solas.
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Post by colonelkillabee on Jan 9, 2017 14:38:36 GMT
All that demon/god/spirit talk gives more credence to the Avvar too. If you see a demon or demons as gods, then why the hell couldn't they be? Though I don't know what's worse, spirits embodying demonic traits or godly ones. That fucking dragon and the fight before when he's in human form, the most frustrating shit ever. I had to go back and make the best possible gear I could, which was just identical to my gear except all of it resistant to frost, just to finish off that damn dragon, and I had two champions, Cass, and friggin Solas in a team. Plus everyone was using frost potions. Felt good killing him finally. The dragon wasn't even the problem for me. After the Gurd Harofsen fight she was a pushover. Omg that fight (on Nightmare)! I think that's the most I've ever died in a game except maybe Tomb Raider (the 2013 one). Oh don't get me wrong, Gurd definitely messed my day up... I don't remember how I finally won that fight, I didn't have to go and remake my gear. I think I just changed up the party, was travelling with Sera in the gang and she just wasn't cutting it for that DLC. I was playing on nightmare too since the game for champions and probably all the specializations is cheese on nightmare. Then you start playing dlc and it's a whole different game. I don't even know how often I died, and what really sucked is there was no good save point between waves, just continuous punishment. That's why I marked the dragon higher though, I always got close to killing Hakkon, and then those little buggers come out of nowhere and it might not happen the first wave, might not happen the second, but eventually those little pricks will lynch my party and throw all my plans out the window. The drakes I mean. Had to make sure to use everyone's bombs, and get solas and sometimes my inquisitor (the mark) to nuke them before they could do too much damage. Even after I remade my armor for frost resistance, I still had to do the last part of the fight alone with my tank, though I replayed the battle just to see if I could do it without losing everyone later. Should have respec'd their gear too, but lazy, lol. Oh and yes, you get a cookie! You know how rare it is for me to find Stargate fans?
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Jan 9, 2017 14:51:20 GMT
*Reforms from the shadows* It's Sunny's birthday? Maligayang kaarawan! (Is that how you say it? Or is Google lying again)
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Post by lilyenachaos on Jan 9, 2017 15:57:35 GMT
Glad I missed the last couple days. Happy Birthday CapricornSun, thank you for all of the wonderful art posts!
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Post by Sifr on Jan 9, 2017 16:18:43 GMT
Great pic, although the artist missed a great opportunity to have the Dread Wolf covering himself with the Orb of Destruction.
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Post by lilyenachaos on Jan 9, 2017 16:21:04 GMT
Great pic, although the artist missed a great opportunity to have the Dread Wolf covering himself with the Orb of Destruction. I don't know that a male would want to hold something with the word 'destruction' in it that close to that area.
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Post by Sifr on Jan 9, 2017 17:33:33 GMT
I don't know that a male would want to hold something with the word 'destruction' in it that close to that area. True, because when you think about it, the left hand really wasn't the worst place the Inquisitor could have gotten the Anchor glued to... "Quickly! Close the Rift!"*Inquisitor drops their breaches*
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Post by Julilla on Jan 9, 2017 18:17:11 GMT
Happy belated birthday, Sunny! Thank you for all the lovely pic spam you share with us!
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