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Post by ladyiolanthe on Jan 12, 2017 1:02:42 GMT
*snip* Speaking of the People, Gaider addressed on the Dragon Central boards that the Dalish were heavily based on Native Americans (which likely explains why they call themselves 'the People', are nomadic, exist in tribes, and other similarities). Ok, full disclosure, I have no indigenous North American ancestry myself, BUT... I wish to address this. Many indigenous North American groups certainly were nomadic. But many others were (and are) agrarian and lived in the same place for decades, hunting, planting and harvesting. Others lived in the same place for decades fishing and gathering. The implication that all North American indigenous peoples were nomadic is rather stereotypical. While some groups of North American indigenous peoples may self-identify as "tribes," others do not. For example, in Canada, many indigenous cultures are nations, not tribes. There were and are many different and complex social, political, and kinship systems among different North American indigenous cultures. While it's certainly common for the names that North American indigenous cultures use to refer to themselves to have a meaning that translates to something like "the People," there are also many North American indigenous peoples whose name for themselves does not translate to "the People." Furthermore, I suspect that if we had some way of knowing what every culture in the world once called themselves, there'd be a bunch of cultures whose names for themselves also meant or mean "the People" in Europe, Asia, Africa, South America and Oceania. I have seen some posts from people on the old BSN who self-identify as being indigenous North Americans and who express pleasure at being able to identify with the Dalish because of similarities between their real and the Dalish fictional culture, and that's cool - it's super important to see oneself reflected in media. I just hate to see all indigenous North American cultures lumped together as one monolithic culture (it happens too often) because there are actually hundreds of different cultures, and it's important to recognize that. |
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 12, 2017 1:54:53 GMT
*snip* Speaking of the People, Gaider addressed on the Dragon Central boards that the Dalish were heavily based on Native Americans (which likely explains why they call themselves 'the People', are nomadic, exist in tribes, and other similarities). Ok, full disclosure, I have no indigenous North American ancestry myself, BUT... I wish to address this. Many indigenous North American groups certainly were nomadic. But many others were (and are) agrarian and lived in the same place for decades, hunting, planting and harvesting. Others lived in the same place for decades fishing and gathering. The implication that all North American indigenous peoples were nomadic is rather stereotypical. While some groups of North American indigenous peoples may self-identify as "tribes," others do not. For example, in Canada, many indigenous cultures are nations, not tribes. There were and are many different and complex social, political, and kinship systems among different North American indigenous cultures. While it's certainly common for the names that North American indigenous cultures use to refer to themselves to have a meaning that translates to something like "the People," there are also many North American indigenous peoples whose name for themselves does not translate to "the People." Furthermore, I suspect that if we had some way of knowing what every culture in the world once called themselves, there'd be a bunch of cultures whose names for themselves also meant or mean "the People" in Europe, Asia, Africa, South America and Oceania. I have seen some posts from people on the old BSN who self-identify as being indigenous North Americans and who express pleasure at being able to identify with the Dalish because of similarities between their real and the Dalish fictional culture, and that's cool - it's super important to see oneself reflected in media. I just hate to see all indigenous North American cultures lumped together as one monolithic culture (it happens too often) because there are actually hundreds of different cultures, and it's important to recognize that. ^Personally, I think it's something of a mistake to try and search for 'one and only' inspiration for groups like elves or Dalish - not to mention that I've heard already from other people (I don't remember devs being quoted) that the inspiration for Dalish/elves is also loosely inspired by nations/groups like Gypsies and Jews. I mean... I can see that because I've certainly thought of Roma people first and later about Jewish diaspora when I've played DAI for the first time and read description of the Dalish - although in my case it's likely a group of people Im familiar with. STILL... I've also noticed certain things about the Dalish/elves that I'm familiar on a somewhat intimate level: courtesy of living in country that is only only just shedding a trauma of centuries of oppression, wars and all the nasty stuff. I'm not under any illusion that the devs have been inspired by much of local events though - what I think is more accurate itself is to say that they've perused multiple sources of inspiration and tapped into common characteristics of people living under the oppression (among other things), which is why many groups find something they can relate there, on multiple levels. |
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Post by lobselvith8 on Jan 12, 2017 2:02:57 GMT
*snip* Speaking of the People, Gaider addressed on the Dragon Central boards that the Dalish were heavily based on Native Americans (which likely explains why they call themselves 'the People', are nomadic, exist in tribes, and other similarities). Ok, full disclosure, I have no indigenous North American ancestry myself, BUT... I wish to address this. Many indigenous North American groups certainly were nomadic. But many others were (and are) agrarian and lived in the same place for decades, hunting, planting and harvesting. Others lived in the same place for decades fishing and gathering. The implication that all North American indigenous peoples were nomadic is rather stereotypical. While some groups of North American indigenous peoples may self-identify as "tribes," others do not. For example, in Canada, many indigenous cultures are nations, not tribes. There were and are many different and complex social, political, and kinship systems among different North American indigenous cultures. While it's certainly common for the names that North American indigenous cultures use to refer to themselves to have a meaning that translates to something like "the People," there are also many North American indigenous peoples whose name for themselves does not translate to "the People." Furthermore, I suspect that if we had some way of knowing what every culture in the world once called themselves, there'd be a bunch of cultures whose names for themselves also meant or mean "the People" in Europe, Asia, Africa, South America and Oceania. I have seen some posts from people on the old BSN who self-identify as being indigenous North Americans and who express pleasure at being able to identify with the Dalish because of similarities between their real and the Dalish fictional culture, and that's cool - it's super important to see oneself reflected in media. I just hate to see all indigenous North American cultures lumped together as one monolithic culture (it happens too often) because there are actually hundreds of different cultures, and it's important to recognize that. While I find appeal to the Dalish due to some of the similarities I see with Taino culture and my own Taino ancestry, and I know Faerunner (who used to frequent this thread) used to talk about how she liked the Andrastian elves, in part, due to the Jewish influences on the group (which Gaider also addressed at the Dragon Central board). However, there's no implication that all Native Americans are nomadic - I pointed out that Gaider outright posted on the Dragon Central boards that the Dalish were originally going to be based on the Romani, but that this evolved into Native Americans during development, and he said it was applicable for all elves, so based on what Gaider explicitly wrote, I see the association in the end result. Given that we're addressing what Gaider explicitly posted on the matter, I'm not sure what your issue of contention is. |
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 12, 2017 2:14:17 GMT
It is a wonder these things remained unknown for so long if it was really that simple; just contact a demon and make a deal. Many Spirits and Demons from the time of Arlathan might not exist anymore, due to constant conflict with either mortals or each other. Even though Spirits can come back if the idea behind them is strong enough, allowing them to be "reborn" in a sense, Solas does mention that don't often don't remember much of their former lives. Justice mentions in Awakening that he's seen the "reflection" of the Maker in the Fade, formed from the minds of sleeping mortals, but no Spirit that he knows has ever seen the real McCoy, so he doesn't know if he exists. I'd wager that Justice isn't old enough to remember any Elven wanderers in the Fade either, as his need to seek out injustices has likely lead him to fall in battle many times before, during previous incarnations. It's true that Solas says that, but at the same time we know from his stories that he's been conversing with spirits that are likely pretty damn ancient - a spirit that is apparently responsible for scaring the Alamari tribes away and eventually founding Ferelden and the one... um, spirit? who was 'once and indisputable king of all lands' or something of the sort, that is now apparently wandering the Fade away because "they" (mortals, I guess) have forgotten what it really was... which kinda fascinates me, because it means that spirits from ancient Arlathan may exist somewhere, but because people forgot what they were, they may as well be "invisible" to mortals, in somewhat similar (if only on a surface level) fashion Tranquil may be invisible to spirits. Then there's of course a matter of 'abundance of sentiment' - and I really have to chuckle at that, because it makes Solas sound even more of a 'hippy environmentalist'  in a sense that he seems to measure the health of the world based on abundance or lack of certain spirits, and by that I mean this: Cassandra: Solas, I am sorry about your...friend. Solas: Thank you. Cassandra: I knew demons and spirits were similar, but I did not know one could become the other so easily. Solas: Not similar, Seeker. The same. The Chantry sees black and white, but nature is, and always has been, grey. Solas: A spirit is a purpose. A demon is that purpose perverted. Cassandra: That might be true with a spirit of compassion, but what is the purpose of a hunger demon? Solas: Survival. Satiation. The pleasure of taste, of feeding. True hunger, however, is much darker. Solas: Think of all those who starve in this world. Mankind has itself to blame for the existence of demons. ---- Cole: I am sorry your friend died, Solas. Solas: Thank you, Cole. Cole: I didn't know there were spirits of wisdom. Solas: There are few. Spirits form as a reflection of this world and its passions. Solas: We will never lack for spirits of rage, or hunger, or desire. The world gives them plenty to mirror. Solas: The gentler spirits are far more rare. We can ill afford the loss of even one spirit of wisdom, or faith... Solas: Or compassion. Cole: I will try not to die. Solas: Do that, please. So basically, the more negative things there are, the more negative spirits/demons there are - the more positive vibes there are, the more positive the spirits. It does put things in perspective, I have to say - though the question remains what happened to all those 'good' spirits: were most of them just twisted or faded with time, or perhaps they're just 'invisible' to people? |
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Post by lobselvith8 on Jan 12, 2017 2:18:26 GMT
Ok, full disclosure, I have no indigenous North American ancestry myself, BUT... I wish to address this. Many indigenous North American groups certainly were nomadic. But many others were (and are) agrarian and lived in the same place for decades, hunting, planting and harvesting. Others lived in the same place for decades fishing and gathering. The implication that all North American indigenous peoples were nomadic is rather stereotypical. While some groups of North American indigenous peoples may self-identify as "tribes," others do not. For example, in Canada, many indigenous cultures are nations, not tribes. There were and are many different and complex social, political, and kinship systems among different North American indigenous cultures. While it's certainly common for the names that North American indigenous cultures use to refer to themselves to have a meaning that translates to something like "the People," there are also many North American indigenous peoples whose name for themselves does not translate to "the People." Furthermore, I suspect that if we had some way of knowing what every culture in the world once called themselves, there'd be a bunch of cultures whose names for themselves also meant or mean "the People" in Europe, Asia, Africa, South America and Oceania. I have seen some posts from people on the old BSN who self-identify as being indigenous North Americans and who express pleasure at being able to identify with the Dalish because of similarities between their real and the Dalish fictional culture, and that's cool - it's super important to see oneself reflected in media. I just hate to see all indigenous North American cultures lumped together as one monolithic culture (it happens too often) because there are actually hundreds of different cultures, and it's important to recognize that. ^Personally, I think it's something of a mistake to try and search for 'one and only' inspiration for groups like elves or Dalish - not to mention that I've heard already from other people (I don't remember devs being quoted) that the inspiration for Dalish/elves is also loosely inspired by nations/groups like Gypsies and Jews. I mean... I can see that because I've certainly thought of Roma people first and later about Jewish diaspora when I've played DAI for the first time and read description of the Dalish - although in my case it's likely a group of people Im familiar with. STILL... I've also noticed certain things about the Dalish/elves that I'm familiar on a somewhat intimate level: courtesy of living in country that is only only just shedding a trauma of centuries of oppression, wars and all the nasty stuff. I'm not under any illusion that the devs have been inspired by much of local events though - what I think is more accurate itself is to say that they've perused multiple sources of inspiration and tapped into common characteristics of people living under the oppression (among other things), which is why many groups find something they can relate there, on multiple levels. I'm not searching for anything, though - I'm addressing what Gaider previously explained was the inspiration for the end result of the Dalish that we see in Origins. As for what you said, that's not quite the case; Gaider said that, originally, they were going to be based on the Romani, but that it evolved into Northern Native Americans, and he pointed out that the medieval Jewish ghettos as playing a role in the development of alienages and the culture of Andrastian elves (Faerunner made some posts about the latter a number of times). Faerunner made some very excellent posts about the elves back in the day that delved more into the nuances of these issues. |
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 12, 2017 2:25:16 GMT
I'm not searching for anything, though - I'm addressing what Gaider previously explained was the inspiration for the end result of the Dalish that we see in Origins. As for what you said, that's not quite the case; Gaider said that, originally, they were going to be based on the Romani, but that it evolved into Northern Native Americans, and he pointed out that the medieval Jewish ghettos as playing a role in the development of alienages and the culture of Andrastian elves (Faerunner made some posts about the latter a number of times). Faerunner made some very excellent posts about the elves back in the day that delved more into the nuances of these issues. ... So basically you say they did what I said they did, which is: searched for inspiration in many places. |
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Post by lobselvith8 on Jan 12, 2017 2:26:33 GMT
I'm not searching for anything, though - I'm addressing what Gaider previously explained was the inspiration for the end result of the Dalish that we see in Origins. As for what you said, that's not quite the case; Gaider said that, originally, they were going to be based on the Romani, but that it evolved into Northern Native Americans, and he pointed out that the medieval Jewish ghettos as playing a role in the development of alienages and the culture of Andrastian elves (Faerunner made some posts about the latter a number of times). Faerunner made some very excellent posts about the elves back in the day that delved more into the nuances of these issues. ... So basically you say they did what I said they did, which is: searched for inspiration in many places. I pointed out that Gaider said that the Dalish were heavily based on Native Americans, and instead of addressing that, you didn't. So I don't see how I said what you said. |
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 12, 2017 2:30:58 GMT
... So basically you say they did what I said they did, which is: searched for inspiration in many places. I pointed out that Gaider said that the Dalish were heavily based on Native Americans, and instead of addressing that, you didn't. So I don't see how I said what you said. *sigh* "As for what you said, that's not quite the case; Gaider said that, originally, they were going to be based on the Romani, but that it evolved into Northern Native Americans, and he pointed out that the medieval Jewish ghettos as playing a role in the development of alienages and the culture of Andrastian elves." The fact the the 'end result' for the Dalish may have ended up to be more (broadly) based on Native American tribes doesn't change the fact that they've searched and eventually tapped many sourced of inspiration. Seriously, that is my only point. |
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Post by lobselvith8 on Jan 12, 2017 2:35:57 GMT
I pointed out that Gaider said that the Dalish were heavily based on Native Americans, and instead of addressing that, you didn't. So I don't see how I said what you said. *sigh* "As for what you said, that's not quite the case; Gaider said that, originally, they were going to be based on the Romani, but that it evolved into Northern Native Americans, and he pointed out that the medieval Jewish ghettos as playing a role in the development of alienages and the culture of Andrastian elves." The fact the the 'end result' for the Dalish may have ended up to be more (broadly) based on Native American tribes doesn't change the fact that they've searched and eventually tapped many sourced of inspiration. Seriously, that is my only point. Dalish elves and Andrastian elves are two different ethnic groups of elves (and the classification of Andrastian elves differs depending on the region), so I'm not certain why you bolded that part of my post. As for the initial part, there's a misunderstanding, as I never said they didn't look for inspiration in different places; I simply addressed what Gaider said was the basis for the Dalish elves we encounter in Origins. |
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Jan 12, 2017 2:39:49 GMT
Ok, full disclosure, I have no indigenous North American ancestry myself, BUT... I wish to address this. Many indigenous North American groups certainly were nomadic. But many others were (and are) agrarian and lived in the same place for decades, hunting, planting and harvesting. Others lived in the same place for decades fishing and gathering. The implication that all North American indigenous peoples were nomadic is rather stereotypical. While some groups of North American indigenous peoples may self-identify as "tribes," others do not. For example, in Canada, many indigenous cultures are nations, not tribes. There were and are many different and complex social, political, and kinship systems among different North American indigenous cultures. While it's certainly common for the names that North American indigenous cultures use to refer to themselves to have a meaning that translates to something like "the People," there are also many North American indigenous peoples whose name for themselves does not translate to "the People." Furthermore, I suspect that if we had some way of knowing what every culture in the world once called themselves, there'd be a bunch of cultures whose names for themselves also meant or mean "the People" in Europe, Asia, Africa, South America and Oceania. I have seen some posts from people on the old BSN who self-identify as being indigenous North Americans and who express pleasure at being able to identify with the Dalish because of similarities between their real and the Dalish fictional culture, and that's cool - it's super important to see oneself reflected in media. I just hate to see all indigenous North American cultures lumped together as one monolithic culture (it happens too often) because there are actually hundreds of different cultures, and it's important to recognize that. While I find appeal to the Dalish due to some of the similarities I see with Taino culture and my own Taino ancestry, and I know Faerunner (who used to frequent this thread) used to talk about how she liked the Andrastian elves, in part, due to the Jewish influences on the group (which Gaider also addressed at the Dragon Central board). However, there's no implication that all Native Americans are nomadic - I pointed out that Gaider outright posted on the Dragon Central boards that the Dalish were originally going to be based on the Romani, but that this evolved into Native Americans during development, and he said it was applicable for all elves, so based on what Gaider explicitly wrote, I see the association in the end result. Given that we're addressing what Gaider explicitly posted on the matter, I'm not sure what your issue of contention is. It's not contention, just an attempt to debunk common misconceptions about indigenous North American cultures. I have no contention with the idea or fact that Gaider based the Dalish on "Native Americans", but I was concerned when you expressed your opinion that that's likely why the Dalish are tribal, call themselves "the People," and are nomadic. I just wanted to point out that those are generalizations verging on stereotypes, because there are in fact many indigenous North American cultures (or "Native Americans") that do not meet those criteria. |
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Post by lobselvith8 on Jan 12, 2017 2:44:44 GMT
While I find appeal to the Dalish due to some of the similarities I see with Taino culture and my own Taino ancestry, and I know Faerunner (who used to frequent this thread) used to talk about how she liked the Andrastian elves, in part, due to the Jewish influences on the group (which Gaider also addressed at the Dragon Central board). However, there's no implication that all Native Americans are nomadic - I pointed out that Gaider outright posted on the Dragon Central boards that the Dalish were originally going to be based on the Romani, but that this evolved into Native Americans during development, and he said it was applicable for all elves, so based on what Gaider explicitly wrote, I see the association in the end result. Given that we're addressing what Gaider explicitly posted on the matter, I'm not sure what your issue of contention is. It's not contention, just an attempt to debunk common misconceptions about indigenous North American cultures. I have no contention with the idea or fact that Gaider based the Dalish on "Native Americans", but I was concerned when you expressed your opinion that that's likely why the Dalish are tribal, call themselves "the People," and are nomadic. I just wanted to point out that those are generalizations verging on stereotypes, because there are in fact many indigenous North American cultures (or "Native Americans") that do not meet those criteria. That wasn't my intent. I simply saw the correlation between certain Native American groups having to be nomadic as a means of survival and the use of the term 'the People' in relation to Gaider's own explanation for the basis of the Dalish. I can certainly understand the concern on your part. I know some, like Maria (who founded the original Cassandra thread back at BSN when she thought Cassandra might be a romantic option for women) have gone into discussions about the use of people of color for fantasy races, and have debated it given how humans are often based on white people as default (and the implications therein), so I realize it's a bit of a thorny issue. |
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Post by Auirel on Jan 12, 2017 4:53:50 GMT
I recently found this video about tragic heroes, though its closer to a commentary on the judgemental nature of society today, but I recommend that people take a look at it. I think it really nails the tragic elements of Solas' character and sort of reflects how I think the majority of us here see him as. I also wonder how many people would be willing to defend a decision that they as the player made in a videogame (the endings of Mass Effect 3 and Deus ex Revolution come to mind) yet would judge Solas harshly for very possibly being forced into a similar scenario. He says it himself that his solution of destroying the world is not a good one, and defends his creating the Veil as being the best of a number of horrible alternatives. I find it really hard to see how anyone could blame him and judge him for his actions, unless they were ignorant, willfully or otherwise. I mean in any other game, if you played as Solas as the protagonist and the game ended with several choices, one of which would be creating the Veil, severely limiting magic and crippling the Elven empire to stop arrogant, tyrant god-pretenders from enslaving everyone, I get the feeling that most players would pick that option. Maybe I'm wrong. I know looking at reddit and other surveys that around about half of players chose to destroy the Reapers, killing the Geth as well and around a third chose Synthesis
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Post by phoray on Jan 12, 2017 16:51:54 GMT
THE WAY HE LAUGHS at the irony of having sealed away the Evanuris for killing Mythal when HE KILLED MYTHAL. That was epic. And I think it deserves a GIF, it was subtle and amazing. I finished my first Dalish Elf ya'll!  I'm proud of myself. Ghi'ral and Cass. Took me a lot of time to understand the Dalish, gotta say. But I think I got the head space down. I think I could finally do a Solasmance right and proper. There is also the conversation post well of sorrows that is NOT the balcony scene which is WAY better version of him telling you he respects you. Screw the Balcony scene, that conversation rocked. |
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Post by halla on Jan 12, 2017 16:56:24 GMT
Just found it ~(o.o)~ (erm. +18?) |
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Post by phoray on Jan 12, 2017 17:14:31 GMT
Just found it ~(o.o)~ (erm. +18?) ROFL OMG, who would draw that? Crazy. Straight outta one of your romance novels, Cass. BTW, I got screened by a moderator the other day for posting a bit of Cass nipple straight from th egame. But this thread has boobs all the time, so I was kinda confused by it. Fair warning reminder? |
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Post by javeart on Jan 12, 2017 17:19:49 GMT
THE WAY HE LAUGHS at the irony of having sealed away the Evanuris for killing Mythal when HE KILLED MYTHAL. That was epic. And I think it deserves a GIF, it was subtle and amazing. I finished my first Dalish Elf ya'll! I'm proud of myself. Ghi'ral and Cass. Took me a lot of time to understand the Dalish, gotta say. But I think I got the head space down. I think I could finally do a Solasmance right and proper. There is also the conversation post well of sorrows that is NOT the balcony scene which is WAY better version of him telling you he respects you. Screw the Balcony scene, that conversation rocked. "a crime for which an eternity of torment is the only fitting punishment"  but, yes, the laugh is great. Solas writting and VA is amazing in that scene, IMO The balcony scene, well, it has a very beatiful view that makes a very nice background for the kiss  but, agreed, I also like more the one after the well of sorrows (particularly the drinking version, I like to see him angry in the begining  ) |
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Post by phoray on Jan 12, 2017 17:24:25 GMT
THE WAY HE LAUGHS at the irony of having sealed away the Evanuris for killing Mythal when HE KILLED MYTHAL. That was epic. And I think it deserves a GIF, it was subtle and amazing. "a crime for which an eternity of torment is the only fitting punishment" but, yes, the laugh is great. Solas writting and VA is amazing in that scene, IMO The balcony scene, well, it has a very beatiful view that makes a very nice background for the kiss but, agreed, I also like more the one after the well of sorrows (particularly the drinking version, I like to see him angry in the begining ) You should see him if you DON'T bring him to the Temple of Mythal! He's so sad, saying he wished he'd been there to warn you. If he had been there, he would have told you not to drink. But alas, he wasn't there, and poor you, you drank from the Well with nary another soul to guide you away from such a poor choice. He's not angry at all! |
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Post by javeart on Jan 12, 2017 17:27:24 GMT
You should see him if you DON'T bring him to the Temple of Mythal! He's so sad, saying he wished he'd been there to warn you. If he had been there, he would have told you not to drink. But alas, he wasn't there, and poor you, you drank from the Well with nary another soul to guide you away from such a poor choice. He's not angry at all! Ok , now I have to find a video of this  |
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 12, 2017 17:33:27 GMT
THE WAY HE LAUGHS at the irony of having sealed away the Evanuris for killing Mythal when HE KILLED MYTHAL. Welp, if we've ever found ourselves in a world where Evanuris were superheroes/villains, I think that Solas's nickname wouldn't be Fen'Harel, but Mr. Irony Because he does seem to attract a lot of it: is considered one to destroy the world, but likely saved it; at the same time he wanted to save the world, but in the end he had to destroy/harm what he loved; is deemed as a betrayer, while it's he who might actually have been the one who was betrayed; was at the end of his long journey when the world put on his path a person he really likes/loves, and so on.... |
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Post by phoray on Jan 12, 2017 17:48:55 GMT
You should see him if you DON'T bring him to the Temple of Mythal! He's so sad, saying he wished he'd been there to warn you. If he had been there, he would have told you not to drink. But alas, he wasn't there, and poor you, you drank from the Well with nary another soul to guide you away from such a poor choice. He's not angry at all! Ok , now I have to find a video of this It was pretty neat, and I'd forgotten there was such a difference until you mentioned his angry reaction. But I really missed having Solas AND Dorian at the Temple of Mythall, so I won't be not bringing them again and will probably never see that version of Solas' reaction again. |
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Post by javeart on Jan 12, 2017 18:16:50 GMT
Ok , now I have to find a video of this It was pretty neat, and I'd forgotten there was such a difference until you mentioned his angry reaction. But I really missed having Solas AND Dorian at the Temple of Mythall, so I won't be not bringing them again and will probably never see that version of Solas' reaction again. That's the thing, my initial reaction was, "ok, next time I don't bring him with me", but I realized inmediately that that was never going to happen so, yes, I'll try to find a video I had a similar problem with dialogues with low approval, I just can't play the kind of Inquisitor that would not get a long with him, I tried once but after finishing Champions of the Just i just lacked any motivation to go on and abandon the pt completely And it's a shame because I (quite) recently youtubed the dialogues you get if he doesn't like you and I loved it, and not only because you get to see a different angle of his prsonality but simply because mean Solas is really great  I love how he talks to an unfriendly inquisitor and his reacton if you punch him btw, I imagine that is very satisfying if you hate him, but I still think he "wins" if you do . |
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Post by phoray on Jan 12, 2017 18:24:13 GMT
It was pretty neat, and I'd forgotten there was such a difference until you mentioned his angry reaction. But I really missed having Solas AND Dorian at the Temple of Mythall, so I won't be not bringing them again and will probably never see that version of Solas' reaction again. That's the thing, my initial reaction was, "ok, next time I don't bring him with me", but I realized inmediately that that was never going to happen so, yes, I'll try to find a video I had a similar problem with dialogues with low approval, I just can't play the kind of Inquisitor that would not get a long with him, I tried once but after finishing Champions of the Just i just lacked any motivation to go on and abandon the pt completely And it's a shame because I (quite) recently youtubed the dialogues you get if he doesn't like you and I loved it, and not only because you get to see a different angle of his prsonality but simply because mean Solas is really great I love how he talks to an unfriendly inquisitor and his reacton if you punch him btw, I imagine that is very satisfying if you hate him, but I still think he "wins" if you do . As a Proud Dalish Mage who allied the mages and was respectful (but not adoring) of Solas, he sure seemed to ADORE my Ghi'ral. Got all his scenes before I'd even done Adamant/Winter Palace. Didn't even ask all his question options by end game. I don't think I'd bother to play a character INTENTIONALLY to tick him off. But I have a Pro Templar and a semi evil Carta Queen I have planned that may end up making him accidentally hate them. And when a character so throuroughly dislikes my RP character, I just drop it. Like, whereas Solas LOVED Ghi'ral, Viv HATED him and he got the furniture moving scene. So, I just stopped talking to her and did no personal quests to fix the issue. As another side note, Solas didn't come to the Winter Palace with me. And that conversation about the "sex and politics" feel of the party instead happens at SKyhold. It was kinda weird. |
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Post by javeart on Jan 12, 2017 18:36:55 GMT
As a Proud Dalish Mage who allied the mages and was respectful (but not adoring) of Solas, he sure seemed to ADORE my Ghi'ral. Got all his scenes before I'd even done Adamant/Winter Palace. Didn't even ask all his question options by end game. I don't think I'd bother to play a character INTENTIONALLY to tick him off. But I have a Pro Templar and a semi evil Carta Queen I have planned that may end up making him accidentally hate them. And when a character so throuroughly dislikes my RP character, I just drop it. Like, whereas Solas LOVED Ghi'ral, Viv HATED him and he got the furniture moving scene. So, I just stopped talking to her and did no personal quests to fix the issue. As another side note, Solas didn't come to the Winter Palace with me. And that conversation about the "sex and politics" feel of the party instead happens at SKyhold. It was kinda weird. iI like ti when you get rivalry dialogues with companions, it's a shame missing on content just because you don't get along with someone, I wish everyone had dialogue like Solas :/ You didn't miss much with Vivienne, she always hates me and I always go to see if the people who hates me have something interesting and/or insulting to say to me so I can confirm you that after moving the furniture she doesn't say anything else, until the very end when she asks you for help anyway. If that boosts her approval enough, then you just return to the friendship path, IIRC |
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Post by phoray on Jan 12, 2017 18:41:32 GMT
javearthahahahhahahahhaa. She never liked me enough to even ask. I checked back every other round of companions. She'd sneer at me, there would be no dialogue options, I'd leave. I REALLY hit bottom after allying the mages and telling her the Dalish way of handling mages was the right way. She REALLY didn't like that and tried to cut me down to size, and I was only irritated that I didn't have the option to cut her back. We just get to stare at her stupidly and make her feel like she won the argument. WHATEVER. I know I'm right. So, ya, unless I'd gotten those tomes for her, she was never going to give me anything else. But she didn't even trust me to help her lover. After base game, the only thing she had to say was that I'd obviously helped Leliana get the Sunburst throne. And she was very "politcally nice" during our spa scene in Trespasser, very keeping up appearances.
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in a sense that he seems to measure the health of the world based on abundance or lack of certain spirits, and by that I mean this:
Saw this already? Ballin:
I'm proud of myself. Ghi'ral and Cass. Took me a lot of time to understand the Dalish, gotta say. But I think I got the head space down. I think I could finally do a Solasmance right and proper.
but, yes, the laugh is great. Solas writting and VA is amazing in that scene, IMO
but, agreed, I also like more the one after the well of sorrows (particularly the drinking version, I like to see him angry in the begining 
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I love how he talks to an unfriendly inquisitor and his reacton if you punch him