The Blanketfort (crying and throwing up) - The Official Solas Thread [Spoilers]

To my knowledge you have too have Solas' disapproval for those dialogue trees to populate. I still think its the funniest thing that the devs put so much truth inside his angry choices.

As for the scholars, well considering the Dalish tend to keep to themselves and generally don't want to share anything with outsiders, it wouldn't be too far out of the realm of possibility that Solas (or other ancient beings) might have tried their hand at offering knowledge to the other races since the Dalish didn't want to listen/share. Not all of the human scholars were on the wrong track with their theories and findings.

Unrelated but about Solas: a poster made a quote about Weekes saying that the romance could be considered a hopeful one. I wouldn't be surprised if this was double-speak for saying hopeful, as in Solas isn't a straight villain, you got to see that there is redeemable qualities in him. Not that you can save his life in the end. (Personally I lean heavily towards Solas' death being the only outcomes we are going to be given in DA4/5. He's too large of a character for them to have waltzing around in Universe for me to have optimism  )  


Edit: Son of a bitch! Every time!

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But you're pointing to Clan Lavellan and I'm addressing the Dalish as a whole. I'm pointing to the divergence of how we help the nation of Ferelden and how we shape the Orlesan Empire, and that we don't really do anything for the Dalish despite having the power to, at the very least, try and make a positive change for the People.

The Inquisition is an Andrastian organization, with the main character being touted as the Herald of Andraste. Briala is an Andrastian elf, and the Orlesian are Andrastian elves, so they really didn't factor into my post that was specifically about the Dalish. Let's not conflate two entirely different ethnic groups of elves.

We could discuss whether the progressive reforms that are enacted if Briala becomes the shadow empress of Orlais will continue, or if they will be undone like the Dalish Boon (and apparently the City Elf Boon if we consider the entry about the Denerim Alienage from Witch Hunt), but that's another discussion entirely. Some people are, quite honestly, very pessimistic about whether or not the positive changes will continue in the long-term, or if things will be 'reset' (especially given Solas' plans and the positioning of Fen'Harel and his forces as antagonists).

Technically speaking, since the Dragon Age Keep doesn't even register the non-human royal boons (as it only recognizes if the human Warden becomes King or Queen), becoming Teyrn or Teyrna of Gwaren doesn't have an impact on the world. It's ignored.

Let's not deflect my rather simple question. The only point to your retort seems to be that I didn't want the same things from Inquisition that you did, which is rather confusing. Why, exactly, did you take such issue with me sharing my thoughts on how the Dalish protagonist doesn't pursue certain goals to help the People? I don't see the point to it.

It's not as if you're disagreeing with me over the ideological dichotomy between Chantry control and mage autonomy, or whether it's preferable to align with mages or templars, or anything of that nature. I shared the same sentiment with another poster about the lack of the Dalish protagonist having content where he or she could help the People. So what, exactly, is the point to your post?

If you're looking for clarification on why I feel the way that I do, then I'll provide it. But, otherwise, I honestly don't see where you expected this to go.


The story of the Inquisitor took place in Inquisition and the related DLCs. We saw consequences in Origins to our actions; we also saw consequences to our actions in Inquisition. However, when it comes to the Dalish, we do relatively little. My post focused on how I felt about playing as a Dalish elf. Again, you may not have felt the same way (and you clearly want different things from the game than I do), but that doesn't have anything to do with how I felt.


I'm talking about the basic concept of the Dalish getting their own homeland, which is not different at all.


Trespasser takes place years after Inquisition concludes, and in the years beforehand the Dalish protagonist doesn't try and help the People acquire a homeland or use the knowledge from the Well to assist the People address unanswered questions. Nothing you wrote invalidates what I said on how I felt; as I previously pointed out, the Dalish Hero of Ferelden could ask for lands to be given to the People because it still matters a great deal to many of the Dalish (even Merrill brings up the hypothetical).

All you've written is why you think it shouldn't be pursued. Because you think it may go badly. Similar to how some voice opinions on whether one should ally with the mages or the templars, or whether or not the Grey Wardens should be given another chance or exiled from the nation. With all due respect, while you're certainly entitled to such an opinion, I'm also entitled to want something else from an elven protagonist. It's the reason I wondered why the elven protagonist didn't purchase lands in the southern Dales near Skyhold in the context of the narrative, and why the Inquisitor didn't try to get back the Hinterlands for the Dalish. Sure, you explaining why you think it shouldn't be pursued, but that, quite simply, has nothing to do why the Dalish protagonist didn't pursue such goals.


It's not false equivalency when the original protagonist of the franchise - who could also be from a non-human background - was able to make an impact on their respective society. It's not as if I'm talking about two entirely different games here, after all - say, comparing the consequences of choices in Skyrim to Fallout 4, as one example. I'm addressing Inquisition, and the first game in the franchise was Origins.

Even putting that aside entirely, in Inquisition, we can make an impact on Ferelden (including with the Qunari quest chain), we can make an impact on who rules Orlais, we can decide the fate of the Grey Wardens. However, we can't pursue any actions to help the Dalish, despite being in a position to try and do so. That was my point.


Before you accuse anyone of using a 'false equivalency', you may want to avoid bringing up the dwarves and Andrastian elves as examples of your point in a discussion specifically about how the main character isn't taking action to help the Dalish get a homeland or use the knowledge of the Well to the benefit of the People. Because the Dalish aren't dwarves, and they aren't Andrastian elves.


Probably because my post was about the Dalish, not about the dwarves or about the Andrastian elves.


Technically speaking, the Inquisitor is handling issues within Ferelden and Orlais. There are also plenty of excursions that one can take that have absolutely nothing to do with the crisis of the Breach.


It's not an issue of guarantees - it's not as if the Dalish protagonist even tries. The main character is the most politically and militarily powerful Dalish elf in modern history, and yet none of that power is used to try and help the Dalish. None of the knowledge from the Well is used to try and help the People.

As for Solas, he isn't Dalish, and some of his dialogue can be quite abrasive - hence, why certain dwarven and qunari fans take issue with his dialogue on the dwarves and the qunari. I'd also point out that the elven protagonist can get Dalish support for the Inquisition, which also shows a divergence between Solas' interactions with the Dalish and that of the elven main character.

walks in Hey Blanket---- whoa what happened here? It's so dark and twisty. backs out slowly

Bioware are pretty famous for letting your protag go out in a blaze of glory. Just sayin'.

Not so much really.  Yeah you could do the ultimate sacrifice in DAO but Hawke couldn't die in DA2 and the Inquisitor couldn't die in DAI.  So of the three DA games, so far the main protag can only die in one of them.

If we want to add the ME games in, yeah Shepard dies in ME2 but I don't think that counts since they get brought right back.  And ME3 ended with a party on the Citadel, no death there.  Nope.  No death.  *covers ears, closes eyes* lalalalala I can't hear you!

When Thedas is filled with chaos from the lack of veil that is when the Nug King will strike. All your cheese belongs to him!

Thanks, Sunny!

Those are all valid points about the Well. There's a large number of possibilities that drinking from it poses, and I hope to see the full ramifications of it in the next game.

I'd also like to see a game set in the tenth age. I wonder what it would be named for--maybe something related to the Inquisition, since the Divine would be either Cass, Leliana, or Vivienne.

Lambskin and Great Bear Leather on the Battlemage Mail Armour looks great on Solas.

(Irks me that canine leather looks terrible, so I'm forced to to use bear instead. Ruins the entire motif we're trying to go for?)

Well, whatever they come up with Solas in DA4, I hope it wont boil down to another : "In another life, in another time" sort of thing XD. Didn't romance the wise egg, but I do hope that they will give a satisfying closure for those who does.
And a closure that made sense as well to those who befriended him (like me)

.. watched the video a while back about him not helping elves, and damn. Why do I have to be 'not friends' to get that convo?

The sad part is when the IQ chose the top option about relying on friends and he said that he has learned not to do so

What if we can talk him down by threatening to "push the button" to tear down the Veil instead?

Solas seems to be very adamant if Lavellan offers to help him that he doesn't want the Inquisitor to go down the same path he must. Threatening to shoulder that responsibility might be one way to slap some sense into him and make him reconsider what he's doing? It's easier to be pretend to be the villain, than watch your friend or loved one become the villain so you don't have to.