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Post by Bunny Noldo on Aug 9, 2016 13:39:38 GMT
Man, I really have to write down my theory about Solas
I'd love to hear and discuss your theory! We are theorycraftig now, but it's more meta, it's not the same. I will, I will, it's just it's so much writing and I should be doing other real-life things, but instead I write about Solas on forums because I just love this story so much.. *hides under a rock* Btw, I saw a funny video of Shia's 'just do it' combined with the Crestwood scene somewhere, but of course I can't find it now.. Personaly I would prefer playing 100% as Inqy. But as long as it's Inquisitor who talks to Solas, and makes decisions about Solas, then I guess I'd be partially ok with it (although now totally happy) I guess it's because if you are familiar with the character it gives you this additional immersion into the story
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Post by floratheelf on Aug 9, 2016 13:44:21 GMT
It'd be such a wasted opportunity to not follow through with this story x.x There's so much rich potential at their fingertips I only hope it's not thrown away.. agh. I can sacrifice not being able to play my Inky as much as long as the story gets wrapped up the way it deserves. The wait... Its terrible lol! I just need to knowww what happens hehe
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Aug 9, 2016 13:53:26 GMT
In a recent presentation about the creative process involved in Trespasser, PW and another guy, said how another member of their team on Dragon Age is Solasmancer Prime so everything had to satisfy her with regard to how they dealt with the romance because they would never hear the end of it if they didn't. (I'm paraphrasing here but that is the impression I got). Now I don't know if Solasmancer Prime was involved in the initial decision to make Solas a romance but I'm guessing she may well have been one of those who wanted to romance him, so it probably didn't hurt to have someone on the team arguing the case for it. I know it was also revealed at some point, I think by PW, that Solas was originally going to be more like the Dalish view of him as a trickster, with him being a much less sympathetic character anyway. So then having decided to change the approach to the character in general, someone probably suggested going a bit further and making him a romance just to add that extra element. The 'other guy' was John Epler, the man responsible for Solas cutscene animations. He deserves at least as much praise as Weekes for bringing Solas to life. (I'm still amazed by how expressive Solas, a person made of pixels, can be). And if I remember correctly, 'Solasmancer Prime' is Cory Nicole May, one of the editors.
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Post by Amburu on Aug 9, 2016 13:55:23 GMT
we're so not gonna be ok, whatever happens.
If they don't do it properly : we not ok If they do it properly : OMG ITS SO SAD WHY DO I HAVE FEELS I HATE EVERYTHING I NEVER THOUGHT I COULD BE ANY SADDER WHY WEEKES WHY ARE YOU SUCH A GENIUS WHY I LOVE YOU WHY YOU DO THIS OMG AH TAKE MY MONEY TAKE ALL OF IT I HATE YOU *hugs*
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Post by Jisandra on Aug 9, 2016 13:56:29 GMT
I will, I will, it's just it's so much writing and I should be doing other real-life things, but instead I write about Solas on forums because I just love this story so much.. *hides under a rock* Aren't we all... aren't we all? Personaly I would prefer playing 100% as Inqy. But as long as it's Inquisitor who talks to Solas, and makes decisions about Solas, then I guess I'd be partially ok with it (although now totally happy) I guess it's because if you are familiar with the character it gives you this additional immersion into the storyThere is not a chance that we will have game with 100% Inqy. They are too big persons in the world to do the normal gameplay stuff by the time of DA4. And if they limit the time we spend with our Inqies, they will avoid problems with other potential romances. I know people other than Solavellans would like to they romance return, but other than Dorian and maybe Cassandra I don't see any probability of that. And there is matter of new party. It just wouldn't be the same as in DAI itself. ladyiolanthe - Yes. I don't know if I'm just seeing things, but it appears that Solas has the most expressive face of all companions in DAI. He has even animated normal map in Crestwood scene to simulate wrinkles on his eyes when he smiles. Pure GOLD! edit: Solas wrinkles awww
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Post by Bunny Noldo on Aug 9, 2016 14:00:00 GMT
they have a plan for this character. Man, I really have to write down my theory about Solas
Please excuse me while I escort myself out because i just cant bear to see "solas" and "plan" on the same line ever again anymore XD Haaa I'm so excited and it's not even anounced ! I agree I also hope no one at EA will interrupt the greeeet MAGICAL creative process #art #magic #wow I'm exciteeeeddd laughed way too hard thinking about Poké AgeTell us this story you have, TELL UUSS !!!!! I will, I will, I just need some time to write it down Changing the topic a bit, I was wondering, do you know any music similar to The Dread Wolf / Lost Elf Theme?It's one of the most beautiful things I've ever heard And combined with Solas' story, it just pure magic.. I love the version with the piano, as well as the Trespasser one. The only piece of music that I know that is so similar to it is The Wuthering Heights soundtrack by Ryuichi Sakamoto. Maybe you know some similar music?
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Post by floratheelf on Aug 9, 2016 14:00:35 GMT
we're so not gonna be ok, whatever happens. If they don't do it properly : we not ok If they do it properly : OMG ITS SO SAD WHY DO I HAVE FEELS I HATE EVERYTHING I NEVER THOUGHT I COULD BE ANY SADDER WHY WEEKES WHY ARE YOU SUCH A GENIUS WHY I LOVE YOU WHY YOU DO THIS OMG AH TAKE MY MONEY TAKE ALL OF IT I HATE YOU *hugs* Why can I see the latter happening way, way too easily in my DA future? *dies*
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Post by Bunny Noldo on Aug 9, 2016 14:09:59 GMT
Personaly I would prefer playing 100% as Inqy. But as long as it's Inquisitor who talks to Solas, and makes decisions about Solas, then I guess I'd be partially ok with it (although now totally happy) I guess it's because if you are familiar with the character it gives you this additional immersion into the storyThere is not a chance that we will have hame with 100% Inqy. They are too big persons in the world to do the normal gameplay stuff by the time of DA4. And if they limit the time we spend with our Inqies, they will avoid problems with other potential romances. I know people other than Solavellans would like to they romance return, but other than Dorian and maybe Cassandra I don't see any probability of that. And there is matter of new party. It just wouldn't be the same as in DAI itself. Yes, I was wondering what they would do with all the romances if we play as Inqy again, but I was thinking that it would be simply players choice at the beggining of the game: for example you may choose to play an Inquisitor who's not involved in any romance, and have new romances. Or maybe continue romaces with Dorian / Cassandra if they would appear agian in DA4. Or have your romance with Cullen / Josephine just mentioned. Or if you don't want that, play just as a new character. That way you have the most freedeom to choose what you woud like to experience in the game.
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Post by Solas on Aug 9, 2016 14:21:11 GMT
some code mixed up in this post oh well. solassan welcome home Aw, I wonder why "ellie" is now a "deleted member". It is good to be back in the blanket fort...who knew after almost two years the heartbreaking feels of Solavellan would still run so strong. This place is more of a home than a thread... dis guy gets it *Forven sips some sujamma* I'm impressed the new Solas became the new Shartan in giving his people a homeland. Kudos, serjo. Also, I'm now going to imagine Ennio Morricone's "The Ecstasy of Gold" was playing during your showdown with the Imperium. quick, someone dig out the "Solas was Shartan" theories LOL Solas, I did a double take when I saw your new profile pic! Edit* It reminds me of Lynroy I accused Solas of stealing Lynroy's mustache on the the Introduce Yourself thread but Lynroy piped up to say it wasn't so. (Instead it's a "cloned" mustache.) yeah lyn was kind enough to make one for me at my request! How does this thread always have like ten new pages since I last checked it? Solas Thread superpowers it used to come at the cost of constantly being out of Likes, not but no longer thx to cbsn I know the secret to elven facial hair. she's a dark wizard
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Post by Jisandra on Aug 9, 2016 14:23:50 GMT
Bunny Noldo - I think most of the players (there were results of researching save game world states and in 40% cases people engaged in romance in bioware games) playing as Inqy had a romance and making new romances (for Inqy) would be a waste of resources. The best option would be only mentioning them (Leliana and Morrigan style). And do not forget that Bioware wants to allure new people to their land of feels. Playing as character from another game would only estrange the new fans. For example I can't imagine playing Mass Effect 3 without playing previous titles. In any case new protagonist is a must, and whether Inquisitor will return is only optional for creators (I NEED CLOSURE, DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT BIOWARE!!!!!)
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Post by Amburu on Aug 9, 2016 14:28:18 GMT
I was thinking that it would be simply players choice at the beggining of the game: for example you may choose to play an Inquisitor who's not involved in any romance, and have new romances. Or maybe continue romaces with Dorian / Cassandra if they would appear agian in DA4. Or have your romance with Cullen / Josephine just mentioned. Or if you don't want that, play just as a new character. That way you have the most freedeom to choose what you woud like to experience in the game. ~ wooorrrllddd staaatteeessss ~ (´∩。• ω •。∩`) ♡ (sorry i forgot to hit the "sent post" button but i really wanted to show this emoji)
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Post by Jisandra on Aug 9, 2016 14:32:44 GMT
Yay! thread dad senpai noticed me!
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Post by Bunny Noldo on Aug 9, 2016 14:33:03 GMT
Bunny Noldo - I think most of the players (there was results of researching save game word states and in 40% cases people engaged in romance in bioware games) playing as Inqy had a romance and making new romances for Inqy would be a waste of resources. The best option is only mentioning them (Leliana and Morrigan style). And do not forget that Bioware wants to allure new people to their land of feels. Playing as character from another game would only estrange the new fans. For example I can't imagine playing Mass Effect 3 without playing previous titles. In any case new protagonist is a must, and whether Inquisitor will return is only optional for creators (I NEED CLOSURE, DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT BIOWARE!!!!!) But that's the point, at the beggining of the game you could choose to play as Inquisitor or as a new character. You wouldn't have to play as Inquisitor if you didn't feel like it, because you are for example new to the franchise. I think I didn't explain it properly I was thinking, you could have the same story (for example build new organisation, infiltrate Solas' forces, stop Solas), wether your character would be Inqy or completely new. The new character and unromanced Inqy could have new romances, romanced Inqy could continue romaces or just have them mentioned. Something like that.
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Post by Amburu on Aug 9, 2016 14:37:49 GMT
Bunny Noldo - I think most of the players (there was results of researching save game word states and in 40% cases people engaged in romance in bioware games) playing as Inqy had a romance and making new romances for Inqy would be a waste of resources. The best option is only mentioning them (Leliana and Morrigan style). And do not forget that Bioware wants to allure new people to their land of feels. Playing as character from another game would only estrange the new fans. For example I can't imagine playing Mass Effect 3 without playing previous titles. In any case new protagonist is a must, and whether Inquisitor will return is only optional for creators (I NEED CLOSURE, DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT BIOWARE!!!!!) But that's the point, at the beggining of the game you could choose to play as Inquisitor or as a new character. You wouldn't have to play as Inquisitor if you didn't feel like it, because you are for example new to the franchise. I don't think I explain it properly I was thinking, you could have the same story (for example build new organisation, infiltrate Solas' forces, stop Solas), wether your character would be Inqy or completely new. The new character and unromanced Inqy could have new romances, romanced Inqy could continue romaces or just have them mentioned. Something like that. I would be veeery interested into playing a city elf slave triple agent with tev solas and inq to get the stuff FIXED (already mentionned it i don't remember where, sorry if you'd had already read that) but oh well getting my lavellan back as 100% protag wouldn't be half bad either haha
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Post by Jisandra on Aug 9, 2016 14:46:03 GMT
But that's the point, at the beggining of the game you could choose to play as Inquisitor or as a new character. You wouldn't have to play as Inquisitor if you didn't feel like it, because you are for example new to the franchise. I don't think I explain it properly I was thinking, you could have the same story (for example build new organisation, infiltrate Solas' forces, stop Solas), wether your character would be Inqy or completely new. The new character and unromanced Inqy could have new romances, romanced Inqy could continue romaces or just have them mentioned. Something like that. In ideal world where hiring voice actor wouldn't cost anything I would agree with you. The reason we won't get to choose who we want to play is the issue of Inquisitor having 4 different voice actors. Even if new protagonist is only one gender (I can't see Bioware doing that) and has only one voice actor it's recording one line of dialogue 5 times, and remember that we have to do at least 3 different reactions on every dialogue. As I said waste of resources. But I'd love to be double agent in Solas' organization! Great idea! Oh my it would be so cool. You would have to lie to your party (assuming that most of them would be Solas' agents). The different world views colliding! And it could provide us prof that maybe Solas is not so wrong wanting to bring down the veil.
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Post by onmanye on Aug 9, 2016 14:48:17 GMT
<Does a female *shwing* to the Solas portrait> <Goes to call Donna Summer... "Yeah, I found your Hot Stuff> All of these are great, but WHOA, shhbang! Look at that thang! He's gorgeous in the Solas portrait! <Lifts hand to close jaw> *the second portrait, if that wasn't clear
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Post by floratheelf on Aug 9, 2016 14:51:10 GMT
But that's the point, at the beggining of the game you could choose to play as Inquisitor or as a new character. You wouldn't have to play as Inquisitor if you didn't feel like it, because you are for example new to the franchise. I don't think I explain it properly I was thinking, you could have the same story (for example build new organisation, infiltrate Solas' forces, stop Solas), wether your character would be Inqy or completely new. The new character and unromanced Inqy could have new romances, romanced Inqy could continue romaces or just have them mentioned. Something like that. In ideal world where hiring voice actor wouldn't cost anything I would agree with you, but it isn't. The reason we won't get to choose who we ant to play is the issue of Inquisitor having 4 different voice actors. Even if new protagonist is only one gender (I can't see Bioware doing that) and has only one voice actor it's recording one line of dialogue 5 times, and remember that we have to do at least 3 different reactions on every dialogue. As I said waste of resources. But I'd love to be double agent in Solas' organization! Oh my it would be so cool. You would have to lie to your party (assuming that mos of them would be Solas' agents). The different world views colliding! And it could provide us prof that maybe Solas is not so wrong wanting to bring down the veil. I've read many, many theories about the new protag being a spy. I've loved the idea before but never considered the idea of double crossing party members. Omg I'm in love . How even more interesting a story would that become? loveloveit!!
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Post by Amburu on Aug 9, 2016 14:51:58 GMT
But I'd love to be double agent in Solas' organization! Great idea! Oh my it would be so cool. You would have to lie to your party (assuming that mos of them would be Solas' agents). The different world views colliding! And it could provide us prof that maybe Solas is not so wrong wanting to bring down the veil. YEs this *v* That's what i meant. I want this, gimmie this (no, gimmie anything actually, but THIS IS STILL SO COOL)
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Post by lynroy on Aug 9, 2016 14:52:44 GMT
I know the secret to elven facial hair. she's a dark wizard Dammit! My secret is out.
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Post by Jisandra on Aug 9, 2016 15:03:56 GMT
The "protagonist is lying about their identity" stories are so cliche in movies, but games can give it new light. Previously WE were lied to (Solas and Blackwall for example) but what if we were the 'metaphoric Solas' in the party? We as players are determined to bring the Solas down to redeem/love him to the eternity/kill him. But what if we as other protagonist, who is undercover in Solas ranks, got to love our new companions and lying to them is indeed furthering our goals as Inquisitor, but it demands to sacrifice our companions well being (like sacrificing the chargers, but it has visible advantages), and in the other way - choosing our companions above the our directive would bother Inquisitor struggle. Just imagine the conflict! Us as Lavellans want to redeem Solas but we have to sacrifice our new companions to do so. Imagine the feels!
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Post by Bunny Noldo on Aug 9, 2016 15:11:18 GMT
But that's the point, at the beggining of the game you could choose to play as Inquisitor or as a new character. You wouldn't have to play as Inquisitor if you didn't feel like it, because you are for example new to the franchise. I don't think I explain it properly I was thinking, you could have the same story (for example build new organisation, infiltrate Solas' forces, stop Solas), wether your character would be Inqy or completely new. The new character and unromanced Inqy could have new romances, romanced Inqy could continue romaces or just have them mentioned. Something like that. In ideal world where hiring voice actor wouldn't cost anything I would agree with you. The reason we won't get to choose who we want to play is the issue of Inquisitor having 4 different voice actors. Even if new protagonist is only one gender (I can't see Bioware doing that) and has only one voice actor it's recording one line of dialogue 5 times, and remember that we have to do at least 3 different reactions on every dialogue. As I said waste of resources. Dammit, I haven't thought about the voice actors.. But I want to play as Inqy so bad
Hmm, maybe they could do the 4 voice actors for Inqy and hire very cheap, unknown actors for the new character?
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As for being double agent - I guess it would be cool to lurk in one of Solas'es strongholds and get to know his secrets (for example a secret room with paintings of Lavellan).
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Post by Jisandra on Aug 9, 2016 15:22:38 GMT
Hey Bunny Noldo we are definitely going to see Lavellan again *pats Bunny Noldo's head*. I think that voice actors are paid for the number of lines they have to speak. If they would have to do 4 different voices for Inqy but they are only in 30% of game and two voices (I can't see Bioware pulling out 4 voices again) 70% I think it's still better than having to record 5 different dialogues 100% of game. Now I DEMAND secret room with wall painting of Lavellan, or at least Solas' unsent secret love letters for her. But the letters have to be the most saccharine thing I would have ever read.
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Post by Almila_Lavellan on Aug 9, 2016 15:24:25 GMT
I think Inquisitior could be a kind of advisor to the new protagonist so she/he could easily deal with Solas as she/he liked. Maybe we could control Inqy when the time comes? Though some people probably wouldn't like it since it'd be too similar to the Inquisition (advisors and all).
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Post by Bunny Noldo on Aug 9, 2016 15:32:31 GMT
Hey Bunny Noldo we are definitely going to see Lavellan again *pats Bunny Noldo head*. I think that voice actors are paid for the number of lines they have to speak. If they would have to do 4 different voices for Inqy but they are only in 30% of game and two voices (I can't see Bioware pulling out 4 voices again) 70% I think it's still better than having to record 5 different dialogues 100% of game. But maybe the cost of voice actor still isn't that hight compared to the rest of the costs involved with creating a game? *I want to believe* Let's make a list and send it to Patrick Weekes. He owes us for all that suffering
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