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Post by ddj on Aug 14, 2016 19:24:09 GMT
I would agree that the Darkspawn are not the creation of the elves, but what if they are perversions of the elves - much like broodmothers - who were enemies of Solas?
And, for the record, Solas does make far better decisions than BW has done recently.
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Post by illyria on Aug 14, 2016 20:29:39 GMT
So I see we've got a few more returning faces and someone has already deleted D:
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Post by ellawyn on Aug 14, 2016 21:09:19 GMT
I'll take a crack at this... more tinfoil hats, all! It is strongly hinted that the Qunari were artificially bred using dragons and humanoids. Why? We don't know. My speculation is that there was a war and ancient people (okay, yup I'll lay the blame on the Elvhen/Evanuris, again - geez, they were responsible for everything! ;D ) were trying to breed the most powerful soldiers in order to wipe the floor with their enemies. What if darkspawn were another experiment to breed soldiers? By the same faction or by an opposing faction? Maybe that's what freaked the Elvhen so badly that they tried to bury it in the deep roads. Edited to add: If I really stretch things, I might be tempted to say that Mythal's faction might have created Qunari since she is strongly associated with dragons already, and the other Evanuris might have made the darkspawn, which isn't so far off other people's theories that the Evanuris are responsible for the original Blight, somehow. This might be part of Flemythals' outcry where she says "As I was betrayed, as the world was betrayed!" Also, some of Solas' bitterness towards the Qunari might be related to him having had a hand in their creation as Mythals' friend/servant, and then them squandering their free will etc. by adopting their very rigid-thinking religion. Somehow, I don't feel like the Darkspawn are the elves' creation... Also, I remember there being a theory that the Old Gods are already corrupted? As in, the Darkspawn don't corrupt them, they just find them and let them out or something. That'd explain how they're able to hear the Old Gods' voices (through the Taint). Which would imply that the (corrupted) Old Gods were here before the Darkspawn. Maybe they were physically bound to the Black City, but when the Magisters entered it, they were able to break free, the Taint started spreading, bam! Darkspawn. (sorry if this doesn't make much sense, haha) Come to think of it, isn't dragon blood Taint-resistant? So maybe the Qunari were an attempt at a Taint-resistant species or some such. Though if they were, it obviously failed. But I'm getting into imaginary realms here. I don't think it's dragon blood that's resistant. Dragons are, but because they appear to seal the taint off into cysts on their body - sort of like how you might cut off an infected limb. The blood itself doesn't seem to be, though. I imagine the Qunari are either Tevinter experiments, maybe something to do with the Blight, or Ghilan'Nain's creations, made because Ghilan'Nain appears to be a sadistic jerk who liked making weird shit for fun. And I still say that Blight is dead Titan rot. Or living Titan immune response. Something from the Titans.
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Post by Bunny Noldo on Aug 14, 2016 21:37:57 GMT
I have finally found something relevant on twitter! PW said that his new book is set "in a new world" tweetSo I guess no Solas news from Bioware until DA4..
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Post by Dazzle on Aug 14, 2016 21:52:45 GMT
I've never been clever enough to figure out my own theories, but I adore coming in and reading everyone's brilliant thoughts! Please keep them coming!
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Post by Amburu on Aug 14, 2016 22:53:51 GMT
I have finally found something relevant on twitter! PW said that his new book is set "in a new word" tweetSo I guess no Solas news from Bioware until DA4.. Or could it be....... " IN ANOTHER WORLD" (absolutely not but I really wanted to write that)
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Post by jtav on Aug 14, 2016 23:35:39 GMT
I have no idea if this belongs here because it's not Solas-positive, but here goes.
I've been thinking about what I want my next worldstate to look like and settled on a theme of tradition and restoring what was. Harrowmont, pro-templar Hawke, that sort of thing. Which seemed tailor-made for Solas. But it occurred to me that between allying with the templars, Gaspard ruling alone and drinking from the Well, I might as well resign myself to Solas hating me on that game. He's nor a traditionalist because there's nothing left of his culture to preserve and he's more suited to an extreme radical who is more about "oooh look at the neat stuff."
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Aug 15, 2016 0:15:19 GMT
I have no idea if this belongs here because it's not Solas-positive, but here goes. I've been thinking about what I want my next worldstate to look like and settled on a theme of tradition and restoring what was. Harrowmont, pro-templar Hawke, that sort of thing. Which seemed tailor-made for Solas. But it occurred to me that between allying with the templars, Gaspard ruling alone and drinking from the Well, I might as well resign myself to Solas hating me on that game. He's nor a traditionalist because there's nothing left of his culture to preserve and he's more suited to an extreme radical who is more about "oooh look at the neat stuff." What you wrote is fine here. Though many (not all) of us like Solas, we recognize that he has flaws, and are totally okay with people writing negative things about him, so long as it's done respectfully. Heck, I love the character but even I write negative things about him sometimes. It's all good. (And for the record, I don't feel that what you wrote is negative - it's just an observation you have made about Solas. ) And although it may be difficult for your Inquisitor and Solas to be friends in this playthrough, it may not be impossible. As long as you ask him questions and are willing to listen to what he says, you can gain approval with him.
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 15, 2016 1:59:50 GMT
I have no idea if this belongs here because it's not Solas-positive, but here goes. I've been thinking about what I want my next worldstate to look like and settled on a theme of tradition and restoring what was. Harrowmont, pro-templar Hawke, that sort of thing. Which seemed tailor-made for Solas. But it occurred to me that between allying with the templars, Gaspard ruling alone and drinking from the Well, I might as well resign myself to Solas hating me on that game. He's nor a traditionalist because there's nothing left of his culture to preserve and he's more suited to an extreme radical who is more about "oooh look at the neat stuff." What you wrote is fine here. Though many (not all) of us like Solas, we recognize that he has flaws, and are totally okay with people writing negative things about him, so long as it's done respectfully. Heck, I love the character but even I write negative things about him sometimes. It's all good. (And for the record, I don't feel that what you wrote is negative - it's just an observation you have made about Solas. ) And although it may be difficult for your Inquisitor and Solas to be friends in this playthrough, it may not be impossible. As long as you ask him questions and are willing to listen to what he says, you can gain approval with him. We can net soooo much approval from him simply by taking him to the party and doing all those quests where we help people...
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Post by jtav on Aug 15, 2016 2:35:46 GMT
What you wrote is fine here. Though many (not all) of us like Solas, we recognize that he has flaws, and are totally okay with people writing negative things about him, so long as it's done respectfully. Heck, I love the character but even I write negative things about him sometimes. It's all good. (And for the record, I don't feel that what you wrote is negative - it's just an observation you have made about Solas. ) And although it may be difficult for your Inquisitor and Solas to be friends in this playthrough, it may not be impossible. As long as you ask him questions and are willing to listen to what he says, you can gain approval with him. We can net soooo much approval from him simply by taking him to the party and doing all those quests where we help people... I've taken advantage of it before, especially on templar runs. There's something poignant though about a Dalish who wants to restore what was ending up being the god she longed for's bitterest foe--and also hilarious because really thought I had the way to romance him figured out.
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Post by draconaise on Aug 15, 2016 2:36:52 GMT
*Gets out of lifeboat* *Wipes sea salt from brow* HIIIIIIIIII GUUUUUUYYYYYYSSS *Hair blows majestically*
Seriously, what would I do without a Blanketfort to return to??
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Post by drosophila on Aug 15, 2016 2:44:51 GMT
I have no idea if this belongs here because it's not Solas-positive, but here goes. I've been thinking about what I want my next worldstate to look like and settled on a theme of tradition and restoring what was. Harrowmont, pro-templar Hawke, that sort of thing. Which seemed tailor-made for Solas. But it occurred to me that between allying with the templars, Gaspard ruling alone and drinking from the Well, I might as well resign myself to Solas hating me on that game. He's nor a traditionalist because there's nothing left of his culture to preserve and he's more suited to an extreme radical who is more about "oooh look at the neat stuff." These are the choices I made in my canon, and my Lavellan romanced Solas. You'll be fine! Just take him in your party and do those fetch quests in the Hinterlands where you help people. Also, activate a lot of elven artefacts with him in the party. In took forever to unlock the Fade scene and his personal quest, but after that the romance (or friendship in your case) rolls pretty smoothly.
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Post by Elessara on Aug 15, 2016 3:08:05 GMT
I have no idea if this belongs here because it's not Solas-positive, but here goes. I've been thinking about what I want my next worldstate to look like and settled on a theme of tradition and restoring what was. Harrowmont, pro-templar Hawke, that sort of thing. Which seemed tailor-made for Solas. But it occurred to me that between allying with the templars, Gaspard ruling alone and drinking from the Well, I might as well resign myself to Solas hating me on that game. He's nor a traditionalist because there's nothing left of his culture to preserve and he's more suited to an extreme radical who is more about "oooh look at the neat stuff." These are the choices I made in my canon, and my Lavellan romanced Solas. You'll be fine! Just take him in your party and do those fetch quests in the Hinterlands where you help people. Also, activate a lot of elven artefacts with him in the party. In took forever to unlock the Fade scene and his personal quest, but after that the romance (or friendship in your case) rolls pretty smoothly. I also think you have to try to save his friend. Just killing it might end the romance.
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Post by Shari'El on Aug 15, 2016 3:15:00 GMT
If you believe Cory, who doesn't seem to have much reason to lie on this point, the city was already black. I'm also not sure of the gestation period of a broodmother. But we're also talking tens of thousands of darkspawn all appearing at once to overwhelm the dwarves and start the First Blight. If the darkspawn truly didn't exist until after the magisters were sent back then how many hundreds or thousands of females did the magisters have to kidnap (seeing as not all of them will survive the mutation into broodmothers) to create an army that large. Basically we're looking at two scenarios: 1. The darkspawn never existed before the magisters went to the Black City and came back. Therefore somehow the magisters figured out how to make more darkspawn, kidnapped hundreds/thousands of females and turned them into broodmothers, created an army of tens of thousands, found Dumat, corrupted him, started the First Blight ... all within the same year. or 2. The darkspawn already existed and when the magisters went to the Black City and the magisters just took control of them or woke them up. In which case the question of "Where did they first come from?" remains. Either way would be a little confusing. Also, second scenario seems more plausible to me. Also also, broodmothers really squick me out probably because of Hespith. Just talking about them literally (yes, literally IRL) makes me shudder. I believe Corypheus, I see no reason for him to lie and it makes sense to me that the GC was already tainted. The second one is far more plausible, as you said, but I think it's a combination of both. I don't think the magisters actually had a hand in that, unless some of them entirely lost their minds and started answering the calling (because what's the motivation otherwise?). If we go by what is written in WoT2 pg 245 then Corypheus lay dormant until the end of the First Blight, if he is any sort of example then it may mean the other magisters did too, so they couldn't have been the responsible party. Darkspawn had to exist, somewhere down below, something else created them but we can only speculate on what's down there. <Tinfoil> One of my theories is that the thing down there is the 'sun' entity from Dalish legends (the 'father' of Elgar'nan), he sounds a bit like 'the Maker', it's a little on the nose but both are associated with the sun and both created life in some way or another. In the story Elgar'nan tosses the sun into an abyss made by the earth (the titans?) because the sun grew jealous of the earths' ability to bring joy to Elgar'nan. Sound familiar? That's because it is - to the story about the Makers' children (spirits) growing envious of Thedosians for being loved by the Maker, it could be one story told differently. The story of Mythal is a continuation story - she was born out of the ocean the earth cried and convinced Elgar'nan to release the sun. I don't think these events actually happened, Elgar'nan and Mythal were both mortals, like other Evanuris, I think the Evanuris attributed to themselves the creation of of the world to make themselves look like actual gods. I do think something did happen, these stories don't exist for nothing. Since these stories speak of very early times they could've been based on how very old beings experienced them and then retold by spirits (to elves, to humans, etc.) and twisted to fit the needs of the teller. Anyway, said 'sun' entity was trapped there, in the abyss, in the Void, and died down there or became corrupted. This entity could be just a very strong spirit(/demon) who got annoyed with the fact they only have control over the Fade and had to be taken down (by other spirits and by the titans) and was locked down there because it was too strong to be destroyed. </Tinfoil> I think whatever is down there may be responsible for the whispers, directly or indirectly (through others), the last thing the Old Gods whispered to the magisters before vanishing is 'Open the Gates', and since I don't really believe the whole Old Gods = dragons who wanted the woken up via the taint (since they lose their minds in the process) then I think whoever originally controls the blight wants them dead for one reason or another.
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Post by drosophila on Aug 15, 2016 3:15:42 GMT
These are the choices I made in my canon, and my Lavellan romanced Solas. You'll be fine! Just take him in your party and do those fetch quests in the Hinterlands where you help people. Also, activate a lot of elven artefacts with him in the party. In took forever to unlock the Fade scene and his personal quest, but after that the romance (or friendship in your case) rolls pretty smoothly. I also think you have to try to save his friend. Just killing it might end the romance. Oh yes, you can't romance him if you kill his friend. But even if you try to help the pride demon and fail, he acknowledges that, tells you your effort matters and you matter.
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Post by Elessara on Aug 15, 2016 3:27:31 GMT
If you believe Cory, who doesn't seem to have much reason to lie on this point, the city was already black. I'm also not sure of the gestation period of a broodmother. But we're also talking tens of thousands of darkspawn all appearing at once to overwhelm the dwarves and start the First Blight. If the darkspawn truly didn't exist until after the magisters were sent back then how many hundreds or thousands of females did the magisters have to kidnap (seeing as not all of them will survive the mutation into broodmothers) to create an army that large. Basically we're looking at two scenarios: 1. The darkspawn never existed before the magisters went to the Black City and came back. Therefore somehow the magisters figured out how to make more darkspawn, kidnapped hundreds/thousands of females and turned them into broodmothers, created an army of tens of thousands, found Dumat, corrupted him, started the First Blight ... all within the same year. or 2. The darkspawn already existed and when the magisters went to the Black City and the magisters just took control of them or woke them up. In which case the question of "Where did they first come from?" remains. Either way would be a little confusing. Also, second scenario seems more plausible to me. Also also, broodmothers really squick me out probably because of Hespith. Just talking about them literally (yes, literally IRL) makes me shudder. I believe Corypheus, I see no reason for him to lie and it makes sense to me that the GC was already tainted. The second one is far more plausible, as you said, but I think it's a combination of both. I don't think the magisters actually had a hand in that, unless some of them entirely lost their minds and started answering the calling (because what's the motivation otherwise?). If we go by what is written in WoT2 pg 245 then Corypheus lay dormant until the end of the First Blight, if he is any sort of example then it may mean the other magisters did too, so they couldn't have been the responsible party. Darkspawn had to exist, somewhere down below, something else created them but we can only speculate on what's down there. <Tinfoil> One of my theories is that the thing down there is the 'sun' entity from Dalish legends (the 'father' of Elgar'nan), he sounds a bit like 'the Maker', it's a little on the nose but both are associated with the sun and both created life in some way or another. In the story Elgar'nan tosses the sun into an abyss made by the earth (the titans?) because the sun grew jealous of the earths' ability to bring joy to Elgar'nan. Sound familiar? That's because it is - to the story about the Makers' children (spirits) growing envious of Thedosians for being loved by the Maker, it could be one story told differently. The story of Mythal is a continuation story - she was born out of the ocean the earth cried and convinced Elgar'nan to release the sun. I don't think these events actually happened, Elgar'nan and Mythal were both mortals, like other Evanuris, I think the Evanuris attributed to themselves the creation of of the world to make themselves look like actual gods. I do think something did happen, these stories don't exist for nothing. Since these stories speak of very early times they could've been based on how very old beings experienced them and then retold by spirits (to elves, to humans, etc.) and twisted to fit the needs of the teller. Anyway, said 'sun' entity was trapped there, in the abyss, in the Void, and died down there or became corrupted. This entity could be just a very strong spirit(/demon) who got annoyed with the fact they only have control over the Fade and had to be taken down (by other spirits and by the titans) and was locked down there because it was too strong to be destroyed. </Tinfoil> I think whatever is down there may be responsible for the whispers, directly or indirectly (through others), the last thing the Old Gods whispered to the magisters before vanishing is 'Open the Gates', and since I don't really believe the whole Old Gods = dragons who wanted the woken up via the taint (since they lose their minds in the process) then I think whoever originally controls the blight wants them dead for one reason or another. One thing to remember though is the Dalish stories are distorted. They've had to piece together bits here and there so that story about Elgar'nan and Mythal might have been mixed up pieces from other myths/legends the elves had. The Dalish are not entirely wrong about everything but I feel a little iffy about referencing their stories. Although I still think something was up with Keeper Gisharel of clan Ralaferin. I mean, he's the author of all of the Dalish legends we see. I'd honestly like to see some stories from other Dalish clans. And now I'm remembering that dead guy you find in the Emerald Graves who pretty much believed the same thing.
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Post by Shari'El on Aug 15, 2016 3:31:58 GMT
All this talk of Blight and my current playthrough got me thinking. I think Solas hints so hard that killing the remaining old gods will not solve the Blights problem... that it's not really a hint and he's just saying it outright. Intriguing, I wonder what "even worse" would mean. Either endless Blight as LliiraAnna said (which makes a lot of sense, they would all be doomed if something like that happens), or something worse, if my theories make any sense then the being in the Void/Deeproads will get released, can't imagine what that entails . I'll take a crack at this... more tinfoil hats, all! It is strongly hinted that the Qunari were artificially bred using dragons and humanoids. Why? We don't know. My speculation is that there was a war and ancient people (okay, yup I'll lay the blame on the Elvhen/Evanuris, again - geez, they were responsible for everything! ;D ) were trying to breed the most powerful soldiers in order to wipe the floor with their enemies. What if darkspawn were another experiment to breed soldiers? By the same faction or by an opposing faction? Maybe that's what freaked the Elvhen so badly that they tried to bury it in the deep roads. Edited to add: If I really stretch things, I might be tempted to say that Mythal's faction might have created Qunari since she is strongly associated with dragons already, and the other Evanuris might have made the darkspawn, which isn't so far off other people's theories that the Evanuris are responsible for the original Blight, somehow. This might be part of Flemythals' outcry where she says "As I was betrayed, as the world was betrayed!" Also, some of Solas' bitterness towards the Qunari might be related to him having had a hand in their creation as Mythals' friend/servant, and then them squandering their free will etc. by adopting their very rigid-thinking religion. I like it D: It's creative, I would never have thought of something like that. Also, just found this smiley I need to find a proper context for it
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Post by Shari'El on Aug 15, 2016 3:46:55 GMT
Cole wasn't a spirit 'in' a body. He didn't possess the child. He came through the fade and thought he was the ghost of the boy who died. He did get confused as to who he was. Cole was simply a spirit that crossed over physically on his own. He wasn't walking around in the child's body, the boy is still dead in the cell they left him in. It was a place Cole was afraid to go back to. One of the reasons Cole was so messed up in the beginning of the book was that he failed to help save the boy. He didn't know how to help him. ... Demons make an offer that the living can't refuse is the way I see them. They find the one weakness and exploit it. Promise of life, power, etc. Or a favor for a favor and trick them. I think spirits/demons are all about 'helping' whether their intentions are good or for ill depends on the nature of the spirit. Oops you are right about Cole, I somehow forgot that crucial detail XD, but yeah beyond that - permission or.. like with the demons - sometimes the person is too weak of mind to resist, as far as I know a demon can try to possess another by force, won't someone who loses a fight in the Fade get possessed? I think it's just easier for them to take over with a suggestion/deal than forcefully. I read somewhere that a demon who makes a deal with the possessed (takes over a willing participant) they are able to hold unto the original form of the person, otherwise they become abominations, but I'm not sure if that's any sort of true. You really should play Descent! It's a great DLC and has lots of interesting lore.
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Post by Shari'El on Aug 15, 2016 3:59:25 GMT
One thing to remember though is the Dalish stories are distorted. They've had to piece together bits here and there so that story about Elgar'nan and Mythal might have been mixed up pieces from other myths/legends the elves had. The Dalish are not entirely wrong about everything but I feel a little iffy about referencing their stories. Although I still think something was up with Keeper Gisharel of clan Ralaferin. I mean, he's the author of all of the Dalish legends we see. I'd honestly like to see some stories from other Dalish clans. And now I'm remembering that dead guy you find in the Emerald Graves who pretty much believed the same thing. First thing, I just noticed I pretty much spammed the thread with my replies, oops D: Secondly, yeah I do take it into consideration, that's why I don't really believe Elgar'nan and Mythal were there but I do think this story doesn't exist for nothing. I too don't trust Gisharel Ralaferin at all, I actually suspect him because he is the only source of the Dalish stories we have from Origin. Besides it's obvious his name is an anagram for "Fen'Harel is a liar, GR!"
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Post by Amburu on Aug 15, 2016 7:36:04 GMT
What you wrote is fine here. Though many (not all) of us like Solas, we recognize that he has flaws, and are totally okay with people writing negative things about him, so long as it's done respectfully. Heck, I love the character but even I write negative things about him sometimes. It's all good. (And for the record, I don't feel that what you wrote is negative - it's just an observation you have made about Solas. ) And although it may be difficult for your Inquisitor and Solas to be friends in this playthrough, it may not be impossible. As long as you ask him questions and are willing to listen to what he says, you can gain approval with him. We can net soooo much approval from him simply by taking him to the party and doing all those quests where we help people... Seriously, my current PT got max Solas approval BEFORE all new faded for her, not long after claiming skyhold. HOW XD He's so easy to get with my playing style !! That's probably a big part of how I went with romancing him at first (and only) because it just moves forward so faaast (but I recall it made the time to wait until Creswood's scene even longer so much anticipation for a heartbreak lol ! Sweet poor me wasn't informed of what was coming) One thing to remember though is the Dalish stories are distorted. They've had to piece together bits here and there so that story about Elgar'nan and Mythal might have been mixed up pieces from other myths/legends the elves had. The Dalish are not entirely wrong about everything but I feel a little iffy about referencing their stories. Although I still think something was up with Keeper Gisharel of clan Ralaferin. I mean, he's the author of all of the Dalish legends we see. I'd honestly like to see some stories from other Dalish clans. And now I'm remembering that dead guy you find in the Emerald Graves who pretty much believed the same thing. First thing, I just noticed I pretty much spammed the thread with my replies, oops D: Secondly, yeah I do take it into consideration, that's why I don't really believe Elgar'nan and Mythal were there but I do think this story doesn't exist for nothing. I too don't trust Gisharel Ralaferin at all, I actually suspect him because he is the only source of the Dalish stories we have from Origin. Besides it's obvious his name is an anagram for "Fen'Harel is a liar, GR!" Yea something's fishy here. But I just keep thinking this over every single detail of the lore. Dammit Bioware EVERYTHING IS FISHY
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