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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 20, 2018 5:50:24 GMT
Why do people want ME4 so badly? Always wondered this. We are sci-fi nerdageeks. What is your excuse?
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Post by jalis on Jan 20, 2018 6:25:21 GMT
Mass effect franchise had been badly threatened. It dont worth so much now.
It is even possible a ME1-2-3 remastered would have more success than an Andromeda2 or a mass effect alpha centauri.
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Post by gamenotincluded on Jan 20, 2018 7:11:14 GMT
Dutch, it's been far too long. As for the question (good one), if we take MEA's apologists as granted there will be a sequel because the game did well regardless the immediate cancelation, so expect a new game around 2040 - 2050. Immediate cancellation? They stopped support six months after launch after addressing a lot of the public problems for free. Generally BioWare games have had support go for about one year from what I recall. We have no idea what EA's plans are, I don't expect a new Mass Effect game immediately, but at the same time I don't think the franchise is dead. If one bad game kills a franchise I am wondering why there are as many franchises there are for a lot of them have had missteps that made them less appealing. Think of Titanfall EA screwed up with its release date, but it is considered to have under preformed, but Titanfall 3 is on the way regardless after EA bought the studio after the second game didn't do well. If you want to start classifying people into the category of "MEA apologists" might as well start one for "BioWare Doomsayers" for you have both on either end of the spectrum, but you also have a lot people in the middle that you are outright ignoring. I own a copy of Battleborn, even that game got more support than Mass Effect: Andromeda. Now that's telling.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 7:32:36 GMT
Why do people want ME4 so badly? Always wondered this. We are sci-fi nerdageeks. What is your excuse? Why do I want ME4? I don't actually. I don't really see the point in making ME4. Not sure what it would be about if there was such a game. Reapers are dealt with so I don't know who the main antagonist is going to be. Doesn't really make sense to milk the cow just for the sake of it. It just seems there's a lot of talk how to "save" this franchise, and people keep bringing up ME4, returning to the Milky Way, and/or continuing the trilogy even though it has already ended.
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Post by Element Zero on Jan 20, 2018 9:20:33 GMT
dutchsghost7 , I was actually thinking earlier today how it had been ages since I'd seen you post. Welcome back. I'm glad you're upright and breathing. The game I wanted wasn't terribly different in concept from MEA. The execution would've been drastically different. I recall discussing this in detail and at length on the old BSN before Andromeda was official. I wanted a game about a non-military exploratory mission off the known relay network. My first choice was that this be part of the Council's careful exploration of unknown reaches of the network. They do reactivate dormant relays, after all. They just don't do so frequently and casually. From there, events would occur that left us out of contact and cut off from Council aid. Not every threat need be as horrific as the Reapers. The rachnii were terrifying all on their own. Who knows what we'd find on the other side of any given relay? This game would've allowed a fresh start without abandoning the near-future Milky Way setting. Obviously, they'd need to choose a "canon" ending to the Trilogy. (Before you post how much that would hurt your feelings, I already know. I just don't understand and never really will.) I have a favorite, but which they chose wouldn't really be that important. They'd have their exploration game without the ridiculous intergalactic voyage. They could return us to the peoples and places that we know and love by the end of the game, if they wished. I played MEA and like it okay. I still believe my idea is far superior and would've been received much more readily.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 20, 2018 14:14:03 GMT
We are sci-fi nerdageeks. What is your excuse? Why do I want ME4? I don't actually. I don't really see the point in making ME4. Not sure what it would be about if there was such a game. Reapers are dealt with so I don't know who the main antagonist is going to be. Doesn't really make sense to milk the cow just for the sake of it. It just seems there's a lot of talk how to "save" this franchise, and people keep bringing up ME4, returning to the Milky Way, and/or continuing the trilogy even though it has already ended. Heh. Some people still want to believe the indoctrination theory is correct or it is all taken place in Shepards' mind. Though I doubt they would ever make that cannon. Also there is a simple way to make a cannon ending without trouble after ME3 debacle: Copied from another post in another thread: 3/3 MISSION: + Building the bridge-way back to the Milky Way -Explore and discover that..... -Revealed that in secret the A.I. has built a relay back to the Milky Way... -Area around its construction has gone dark and no communication has been heard of from or since. -Sent on critical mission is to discover what happened to the activated relay. -The Ravager (if alive -otherwise no one says anything}} states it will bring death up on all -it is the Kett enemy and ours. -Entering the space notice something quite familiar -yet strange ships -look Reaper but... different. -At the point of the relay there is a huge platform that seems to be a meeting place for soldiers of some kind -think Independence Day. -At the far end is a hub portal and an army is walking continually through toward our side. -"Ravager" -if alive -otherwise no one says anything}} states they keep coming and have already decimated 1/3 of the Kett empire. -Next scene shows a being walk through the portal -something human but has traces of Krogan, Asari and many others. -Soon realized that it is a Kett amalgamation of all Milky Way races -including those who did not come with the A.I. -The discovery is worse when it is realized that the Kett that comes through is Commander Shepard. -As He/She walks through Shepard says: "Time To Die." FINAL RUN! +Mission Critical! -Destroy the relay sever the connection with the Milky Way and stop the invasion. -Kill Shepard or try to convince him/her to stop and reconnect to who they were and stop the insanity.
So no matter the ending of ME3 this is the outcome... We all know Shepard by the endings of ME3 was bonkers anyway. dutchsghost7 , I was actually thinking earlier today how it had been ages since I'd seen you post. Welcome back. I'm glad you're upright and breathing. The game I wanted wasn't terribly different in concept from MEA. The execution would've been drastically different. I recall discussing this in detail and at length on the old BSN before Andromeda was official. I wanted a game about a non-military exploratory mission off the known relay network. My first choice was that this be part of the Council's careful exploration of unknown reaches of the network. They do reactivate dormant relays, after all. They just don't do so frequently and casually. From there, events would occur that left us out of contact and cut off from Council aid. Not every threat need be as horrific as the Reapers. The rachnii were terrifying all on their own. Who knows what we'd find on the other side of some relays? This game would've allowed a fresh start without abandoning the near-future Milky Way setting. Obviously, they'd need to choose a "canon" ending to the Trilogy. (Before you post how much that would hurt your feelings, I already know. I just don't understand and never really will.) I have a favorite, but which they chose wouldn't really be that important. They'd have their exploration game without the ridiculous intergalactic voyage. They could return us to the peoples and places that we know and love by the end of the game, if they wished. I played MEA and like it okay. I still believe my idea is far superior and would've been received much more readily. Yes. I hate spiders.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 17:11:31 GMT
Why do I want ME4? I don't actually. I don't really see the point in making ME4. Not sure what it would be about if there was such a game. Reapers are dealt with so I don't know who the main antagonist is going to be. Doesn't really make sense to milk the cow just for the sake of it. It just seems there's a lot of talk how to "save" this franchise, and people keep bringing up ME4, returning to the Milky Way, and/or continuing the trilogy even though it has already ended. Heh. Some people still want to believe the indoctrination theory is correct or it is all taken place in Shepards' mind. Though I doubt they would ever make that cannon. Also there is a simple way to make a cannon ending without trouble after ME3 debacle: Copied from another post in another thread: 3/3 MISSION: + Building the bridge-way back to the Milky Way -Explore and discover that..... -Revealed that in secret the A.I. has built a relay back to the Milky Way... -Area around its construction has gone dark and no communication has been heard of from or since. -Sent on critical mission is to discover what happened to the activated relay. -The Ravager (if alive -otherwise no one says anything}} states it will bring death up on all -it is the Kett enemy and ours. -Entering the space notice something quite familiar -yet strange ships -look Reaper but... different. -At the point of the relay there is a huge platform that seems to be a meeting place for soldiers of some kind -think Independence Day. -At the far end is a hub portal and an army is walking continually through toward our side. -"Ravager" -if alive -otherwise no one says anything}} states they keep coming and have already decimated 1/3 of the Kett empire. -Next scene shows a being walk through the portal -something human but has traces of Krogan, Asari and many others. -Soon realized that it is a Kett amalgamation of all Milky Way races -including those who did not come with the A.I. -The discovery is worse when it is realized that the Kett that comes through is Commander Shepard. -As He/She walks through Shepard says: "Time To Die." FINAL RUN! +Mission Critical! -Destroy the relay sever the connection with the Milky Way and stop the invasion. -Kill Shepard or try to convince him/her to stop and reconnect to who they were and stop the insanity.
So no matter the ending of ME3 this is the outcome... We all know Shepard by the endings of ME3 was bonkers anyway. I've heard them say many times there is no canon ending. Why? Well if there was, then the player's choice would be thrown out the window. Wasn't that people's biggest complaint with the ending? That's why they won't make ME4, and that's why they won't declare a canon ending for ME3. The ending is only bonkers if taken at face value. There's actually plenty of people who've made sense of it even without the indoctrination theory.
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Post by alanc9 on Jan 20, 2018 18:45:35 GMT
I've heard them say many times there is no canon ending. Why? Well if there was, then the player's choice would be thrown out the window. Wasn't that people's biggest complaint with the ending? That's why they won't make ME4, and that's why they won't declare a canon ending for ME3. Maybe saying that was a bad idea in the first place. I don't think RPG choices should outlive playing as the character who made those choices. I'm not sure what you're talking about here besides IT. Can you elaborate? (I was going to go on a contemptuous rant about IT making even less sense than face value, but I figure everyone here's familiar with that material by now.)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 21:21:44 GMT
I'm not sure what you're talking about here besides IT. Can you elaborate? (I was going to go on a contemptuous rant about IT making even less sense than face value, but I figure everyone here's familiar with that material by now.) This articleFor example. The ending made sense to the writer of that article.
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Post by warden on Jan 21, 2018 1:05:54 GMT
i don't want to be an ass, but as much as people may like this or that, in regard of the ME3 ending, it's painfully obvious that in a way the canon ending is the destroy ending.
anyway i don't think it would be a big deal anyway.
i mean shepard could die in ME 2 and that didn't stop Bioware of doing ME3, and people weren't upset about it, in fact i know of people that took it as an alternative timeline when they Shepard pulled off the suicide mision and lived, but their main canon finished in ME2.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 21, 2018 1:07:15 GMT
i don't want to be an ass, but as much as people may like this or that, in regard of the ME3 ending, it's painfully obvious that in a way the canon ending is the destroy ending. How is it painfully obvious? What concrete objective evidence do you have that states that?
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Post by larsdt on Jan 21, 2018 1:18:58 GMT
If ME was to return to the Milky Way, it could be in a post apocalyptic scenario like the Fallout series. Don't know how original that would be though and we would need some new villains...
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Post by Element Zero on Jan 21, 2018 1:20:15 GMT
i don't want to be an ass, but as much as people may like this or that, in regard of the ME3 ending, it's painfully obvious that in a way the canon ending is the destroy ending. anyway i don't think it would be a big deal anyway. i mean shepard could die in ME 2 and that didn't stop Bioware of doing ME3, and people weren't upset about it, in fact i know of people that took it as an alternative timeline when they Shepard pulled off the suicide mision and lived, but their main canon finished in ME2. I don't agree that the game favors one ending another, despite strongly preferring Destroy. I do agree that fixation on personal "canon endings" is silly. It's ridiculous to expect BioWare to move ahead without picking one of the three divergent options as the ending. I don't understand how people find this so invalidating. All SW games used to have a canon ending. Officially, Revan was redeemed and went on to defeat Darth Malak. Does this cause emotional turmoil for those who like taking the dark side path? As I said in more detail above, I wish they'd chosen an ending and moved forward in the Milky Way.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 21, 2018 2:16:11 GMT
i don't want to be an ass, but as much as people may like this or that, in regard of the ME3 ending, it's painfully obvious that in a way the canon ending is the destroy ending. anyway i don't think it would be a big deal anyway. i mean shepard could die in ME 2 and that didn't stop Bioware of doing ME3, and people weren't upset about it, in fact i know of people that took it as an alternative timeline when they Shepard pulled off the suicide mision and lived, but their main canon finished in ME2. I don't agree that the game favors one ending another, despite strongly preferring Destroy. I do agree that fixation on personal "canon endings" is silly. It's ridiculous to expect BioWare to move ahead without picking one of the three divergent options as the ending. I don't understand how people find this so invalidating. All SW games used to have a canon ending. Officially, Revan was redeemed and went on to defeat Darth Malak. Does this cause emotional turmoil for those who like taking the dark side path? As I said in more detail above, I wish they'd chosen an ending and moved forward in the Milky Way. Indeed it is. Still it is better in my opinion to combine them as one and move on to bigger and better things. Heh. Some people still want to believe the indoctrination theory is correct or it is all taken place in Shepards' mind. Though I doubt they would ever make that cannon. Also there is a simple way to make a cannon ending without trouble after ME3 debacle: Copied from another post in another thread: 3/3 MISSION: + Building the bridge-way back to the Milky Way -Explore and discover that..... -Revealed that in secret the A.I. has built a relay back to the Milky Way... -Area around its construction has gone dark and no communication has been heard of from or since. -Sent on critical mission is to discover what happened to the activated relay. -The Ravager (if alive -otherwise no one says anything}} states it will bring death up on all -it is the Kett enemy and ours. -Entering the space notice something quite familiar -yet strange ships -look Reaper but... different. -At the point of the relay there is a huge platform that seems to be a meeting place for soldiers of some kind -think Independence Day. -At the far end is a hub portal and an army is walking continually through toward our side. -"Ravager" -if alive -otherwise no one says anything}} states they keep coming and have already decimated 1/3 of the Kett empire. -Next scene shows a being walk through the portal -something human but has traces of Krogan, Asari and many others. -Soon realized that it is a Kett amalgamation of all Milky Way races -including those who did not come with the A.I. -The discovery is worse when it is realized that the Kett that comes through is Commander Shepard. -As He/She walks through Shepard says: "Time To Die." FINAL RUN! +Mission Critical! -Destroy the relay sever the connection with the Milky Way and stop the invasion. -Kill Shepard or try to convince him/her to stop and reconnect to who they were and stop the insanity. So no matter the ending of ME3 this is the outcome... We all know Shepard by the endings of ME3 was bonkers anyway. I've heard them say many times there is no canon ending. Why? Well if there was, then the player's choice would be thrown out the window. Wasn't that people's biggest complaint with the ending? That's why they won't make ME4, and that's why they won't declare a canon ending for ME3. The ending is only bonkers if taken at face value. There's actually plenty of people who've made sense of it even without the indoctrination theory. There is a simple fix for that cannon ending fixation : All original three of the endings are cannon: They occurred in this order: Synthesis then Control then Destroy. Remember my theory above takes place 600+years after the Reaper war. Shepard unifies the whole galaxy as a single species -gains knowledge of the Reapers -knowledge inherently evil.Shepard takes control of this unified species -the Reapers leave. Shepard goes mad with the knowledge gained -believes the Reapers are going to start this again in another galaxy. Becomes war machine solo-civilization. Sets course and eradicates the Reapers. The mad man Shepard notices the tale-tale sign of a FTL jump and sets course after the A.I. destination: Andromeda.As to the biggest complaint it was actually two-fold: -The 3 endings sure -mirror of a mirror of a mirror. The second however was that Bioware said that the squad-mates would have true endings. -Most probably expected them to be in the actual endings -not to be done in the course of the game instead. -A sly way to say it and do it -different to be expected nonetheless. And don't be putting words in my mouth for I did not say the ending is what was bonkers. What was bonkers is the way Shepard was treated as a player character in the end. Also players choice does matter yes. Though if thought about you are playing a new game (maybe trilogy) that is based off this backlore -not the games necessarily. A game that you will not be playing Commander Shepard so who cares about the choices you made as the commander anymore? If the new plot will based off the lore anyway? Shepard is dead. Face it or go sob alone. It is only right to finally kill him off correctly -as my theory would.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 7:00:57 GMT
The endings are technically and thematically different, because controlling the Reapers is not the same as synthesizing with them, and destroying the Reapers is not the same as controlling or synthesizing. Refusing to use the Crucible is also not the same.
I don't recall them stating squad mates would have true endings. Or having visually different endings, other than your choices from ME1 and ME2 affect the Reaper war in ME3. Which is essentially what they said would happen. The decisions you make in the first two games, effectively shape the third and final game.
All I remember is that they said your former squadmates wouldn't be joining you in ME3 permanently, because they had their own things to do (eg. Miranda dealing with her crazy father).
Technically her story line is about that, and once she deals with her father and reunites with Oriana, that was essentially it for her story.
All those character related plots are subplots, which can be resolved before the big main plot with the Reapers is resolved. Not everything has to be tied up right in the final cutscene of the game.
It's like Conrad Verner's subplot. Spans three games, but gets wrapped up on the Citadel after he fixes the medigel dispenser. The refund guy? Three game span, wrapped up in ME3 on the Citadel. Etc, etc.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 21, 2018 18:32:24 GMT
The endings are technically and thematically different, because controlling the Reapers is not the same as synthesizing with them, and destroying the Reapers is not the same as controlling or synthesizing. Refusing to use the Crucible is also not the same. Refusing is basically destroy but with failure out come so it is the same. They did. But that was back in late 2010-2011 but then again I guess most don't remember everything they read -so oh um. There was a big thing about it before ME3 launched and the emotional hurt there after was fueled by it and the ending. Find me a link to the old Bioware forum and I will prove it. Yet saying that former squadmates wouldn't be permanent is a lie in of itself since Tali, Garrus, EDI, and Ash or Kai(dan) were mains. As to Miranda -she is an egotistical, maniacal, vain woman with delusions of grandeur -she can give birth to a nuke that goes off during the process for all I care. Yes it does. Everything must come to conclusion in the conclusion. The extended cut is nothing more than a bandage -a bandage that still bleeds. Conrad Verner had a subplot? It was little more than an interaction scene from Star Wars: The Old Republic -NOT KOTOR! He was simply wasted -nothing more than a throwaway character. He could have been used a whole lot better. If toward me -I am not meaning to troll if it seems that way then ok. I have said my peace and am done with it. If directed to he to which I responded -again I have said my peace am done with it. That said... So no -no information yet but hope that if they do reveal information that it is not Anthem that is ME4. Like I have heard before that even in despair there is hope:
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Post by Beerfish on Jan 21, 2018 19:37:58 GMT
I think one day we will get an ME4 to be honest, not for a while obviously but with casey hudson being in charge now, i have a feeling he won;t want to let the franchise die the way it looks to have died.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 21, 2018 20:27:38 GMT
I think one day we will get an ME4 to be honest, not for a while obviously but with casey hudson being in charge now, i have a feeling he won;t want to let the franchise die the way it looks to have died. I think he -Hudson planned it from the beginning: Casey Hudson ticks off some fans with the ME3 debacle -check. Casey Hudson leaves -gets out of dodge before the blowback -check. EA lets them create a new game that fails -check. EA out of desperation looks for someone to right the sinking franchise. EA comes begging and crawling to Casey Hudson for help. -would be the best part. Hudson asks for a raise and be in command not just executive producer... If true then it worked -if not: In truth though I doubt it... ...Scary now that I think about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 21:04:40 GMT
Providing counter-arguments is not trolling. This is a discussion forum after all where people debate things. There's two sides to every argument.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 21, 2018 23:11:46 GMT
I think one day we will get an ME4 to be honest, not for a while obviously but with casey hudson being in charge now, i have a feeling he won;t want to let the franchise die the way it looks to have died. I think he -Hudson planned it from the beginning: Casey Hudson ticks off some fans with the ME3 debacle -check. Casey Hudson leaves -gets out of dodge before the blowback -check. EA lets them create a new game that fails -check. EA out of desperation looks for someone to right the sinking franchise. EA comes begging and crawling to Casey Hudson for help. -would be the best part. Hudson asks for a raise and be in command not just executive producer... If true then it worked -if not: In truth though I doubt it... ...Scary now that I think about it. Sounds like something that Mr. JarJar"Artistic Integrity" Hudson would do.
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 21, 2018 23:24:53 GMT
Sounds like something that Mr. JarJar"Artistic Integrity" Hudson would do. The only BioWare employee that I know of that ever said that line was Dr. Ray Muzyka in his blog post here. BioWare Blog
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 21, 2018 23:28:18 GMT
i don't want to be an ass, but as much as people may like this or that, in regard of the ME3 ending, it's painfully obvious that in a way the canon ending is the destroy ending. anyway i don't think it would be a big deal anyway. i mean shepard could die in ME 2 and that didn't stop Bioware of doing ME3, and people weren't upset about it, in fact i know of people that took it as an alternative timeline when they Shepard pulled off the suicide mision and lived, but their main canon finished in ME2. I don't agree that the game favors one ending another, despite strongly preferring Destroy. I do agree that fixation on personal "canon endings" is silly. It's ridiculous to expect BioWare to move ahead without picking one of the three divergent options as the ending. I don't understand how people find this so invalidating. All SW games used to have a canon ending. Officially, Revan was redeemed and went on to defeat Darth Malak. Does this cause emotional turmoil for those who like taking the dark side path? As I said in more detail above, I wish they'd chosen an ending and moved forward in the Milky Way. Have you met the internet, they would go bonkers if BioWare was to pick a canon ending. They went all meme happy because there were several really bad animations in Mass Effect: Andromeda while most were not that bad. Just because there are people that say they are fine with having BioWare pick an ending to the game, there are plenty of people just waiting to cause yet another shitstorm over anything they can get their fingers into. I still remember the amount of complaining about "our choices don't matter" or before Andromeda the laundry list of choices that "must" carry forward into the next game because they are really important.
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Post by Element Zero on Jan 21, 2018 23:33:43 GMT
I don't agree that the game favors one ending another, despite strongly preferring Destroy. I do agree that fixation on personal "canon endings" is silly. It's ridiculous to expect BioWare to move ahead without picking one of the three divergent options as the ending. I don't understand how people find this so invalidating. All SW games used to have a canon ending. Officially, Revan was redeemed and went on to defeat Darth Malak. Does this cause emotional turmoil for those who like taking the dark side path? As I said in more detail above, I wish they'd chosen an ending and moved forward in the Milky Way. Have you met the internet, they would go bonkers if BioWare was to pick a canon ending. They went all meme happy because there were several really bad animations in Mass Effect: Andromeda while most were not that bad. Just because there are people that say they are fine with having BioWare pick an ending to the game, there are plenty of people just waiting to cause yet another shitstorm over anything they can get their fingers into. I still remember the amount of complaining about "our choices don't matter" or before Andromeda the laundry list of choices that "must" carry forward into the next game because they are really important. They'd get over it if the game were good. I believe dodging the issue made things worse. Releasing an unfinished game like MEA would've killed the IP no matter which path was chosen.
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 22, 2018 4:13:58 GMT
Have you met the internet, they would go bonkers if BioWare was to pick a canon ending. They went all meme happy because there were several really bad animations in Mass Effect: Andromeda while most were not that bad. Just because there are people that say they are fine with having BioWare pick an ending to the game, there are plenty of people just waiting to cause yet another shitstorm over anything they can get their fingers into. I still remember the amount of complaining about "our choices don't matter" or before Andromeda the laundry list of choices that "must" carry forward into the next game because they are really important. They'd get over it if the game were good. I believe dodging the issue made things worse. Releasing an unfinished game like MEA would've killed the IP no matter which path was chosen. Given how people reacted to just the ending of Mass Effect 3 and kept talking and complaining about it for years it just seems that they won't get over it.
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