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Post by SirSourpuss on May 20, 2021 23:25:18 GMT
That's exactly what happens. Another person who believe Harbringer's beam spam happens in every endings. What I mean is, Bioware ignores the issue. Nor Garrus, nor Tali comment how they might have died in ME2. They're there, end of story. Bioware will just not address it.
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Post by themikefest on May 20, 2021 23:57:48 GMT
The world state in the tapestry can't be below 2650 EMS extended cut version, 2800 if we include Synthesis. What does 2650 mean? And it's 2700 to get the green not 2800.
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Post by themikefest on May 21, 2021 0:01:14 GMT
Given the importance of Liara in the trilogy it makes sense to bring her back. After she said Ilos she became useless because Shepard had the cipher making the asari obsolete. But Bioware chose not to have Shepard use the cipher except for that one moment on Thessia.
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Post by themikefest on May 21, 2021 0:04:47 GMT
That's exactly what happens. Another person who believe Harbringer's beam spam happens in every endings. Who are these persons that believe Harbinger's beam spam happens in every ending? I don't recall anyone ever saying that.
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Post by azarhal on May 21, 2021 2:19:04 GMT
The world state in the tapestry can't be below 2650 EMS extended cut version, 2800 if we include Synthesis. What does 2650 mean? And it's 2700 to get the green not 2800. I took the numbers from the wiki.
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Post by themikefest on May 21, 2021 2:35:30 GMT
What does 2650 mean? And it's 2700 to get the green not 2800. I took the numbers from the wiki. Ok. So what does 2650 mean? Post a link.
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Post by azarhal on May 21, 2021 2:41:45 GMT
I took the numbers from the wiki. Ok. So what does 2650 mean? Post a link. masseffect.fandom.com/wiki/Priority:_Earth scroll down to the Aftermath - Extended Cut section. Those values are probably not valid for the Legendary edition.
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Post by themikefest on May 21, 2021 2:57:10 GMT
They weren't valid for the trilogy after the cut was released. 2650 is not needed, its 2600, and as I said, its 2700 for the green.
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Post by Iakus on May 21, 2021 3:20:55 GMT
Given the importance of Liara in the trilogy it makes sense to bring her back. After she said Ilos she became useless because Shepard had the cipher making the asari obsolete. But Bioware chose not to have Shepard use the cipher except for that one moment on Thessia. Because Shepard being a "symbol" was much more unique than having the cipher capable of understanding Prothean language, the most advanced organic race known to live in the galaxy and the last to fight the Reapers....
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Post by hulluliini on May 21, 2021 6:30:50 GMT
<insert michael Bay explosion><insert J.J. Abrams flare lens> It's lens flare, actually
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Post by t4rget on May 21, 2021 8:45:45 GMT
Given the importance of Liara in the trilogy it makes sense to bring her back. After she said Ilos she became useless because Shepard had the cipher making the asari obsolete. But Bioware chose not to have Shepard use the cipher except for that one moment on Thessia. She's more important than that. She made sense of the marmelade into Shepard's brain (you can make 75% of ME1 before meeting her but you can't skip her). She became the shadow broker and continue to focus on the Reapers while Shepard was dealing with more immediate threats. She was the one who found the Catalyst blueprints in the Mars' archives. She was the one making time capsules. That's for the obvious. Other important character main plot wise would be Miranda and Mordin but they can die in ME2. All in all, if they want to bring a character from the original trilogy, Liara seems surely the most indicated. I share your concerns about the continuity from a game to another. That was the very strong point of Bioware to never dip a toe into players' choices in this franchise. But for the sake of making a clean slate, they can this time act a bit differently as Liara can die only once in a very specific moment. <insert michael Bay explosion><insert J.J. Abrams flare lens> It's lens flare, actually thanks
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Post by themikefest on May 21, 2021 11:52:38 GMT
She made sense of the marmelade into Shepard's brain (you can make 75% of ME1 before meeting her but you can't skip her). That's fine. I did say after she say's Ilos. Didn't Hackett ask her about using her resources to find a way to stop the reapers? They pooled their resources together. No she didn't. Listen to her dialogue when first meeting her. She says she discovered plans for a device, a device that could wipeout the reapers. To be able to say that, she had to studied the plans long enough to come to that conclusion. She also would have noticed there's something on Thessia that could help. Then she changes her words saying she thinks she found what they need. Make up your mind asari. Did you find something or not? After a few moments, she changes her story again, when asked by A/K. She says she found bits and pieces, clues. Hackett gave her access to the archives yet it seems she has never been in there to investigate. The other thing is if she discovered the plans, why didn't she forward a copy of the plans to Hackett while she continues to look for more clues? That's only for those who chose refuse, right? Unless Bioware chooses to use that to continue ME, her time capsule doesn't mean much. If she is in the next game, maybe Bioware would have her not be required to move the story forward. They could have it where if she was killed in ME3, she doesn't show up in the game. If she survives, she shows up.
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Post by azarhal on May 21, 2021 14:26:27 GMT
Crack theory time.
People all think the next game is going to be after ME3, but what if the ending picked for continuation is ME2 where a Shepard dies in the suicide mission? ME3 was a continuation of every ME2 endings but that one. ME Next is the opposite.
It doesn't break MEA as the arks leaves before ME3 starts. Milky Way state would be the same as the Refuse ending long term.
In such a continuation, Liara would work toward an "escape plan" (aka following the Andromeda Initiative) instead of the "stand and fight" that Shepard's stood for. Making the trip to Andromeda herself post Reaper Invasion start.
I'm sure that's not going to be a popular idea.
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Post by hoku on May 21, 2021 16:15:46 GMT
Thumbs up, just for a new theory I haven't come across. However how do you explain the dead reapers she's walking on and what possibly could be MEA characters in the background though
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Post by t4rget on May 21, 2021 16:45:47 GMT
She made sense of the marmelade into Shepard's brain (you can make 75% of ME1 before meeting her but you can't skip her). That's fine. I did say after she say's Ilos. Didn't Hackett ask her about using her resources to find a way to stop the reapers? They pooled their resources together. No she didn't. Listen to her dialogue when first meeting her. She says she discovered plans for a device, a device that could wipeout the reapers. To be able to say that, she had to studied the plans long enough to come to that conclusion. She also would have noticed there's something on Thessia that could help. Then she changes her words saying she thinks she found what they need. Make up your mind asari. Did you find something or not? After a few moments, she changes her story again, when asked by A/K. She says she found bits and pieces, clues. Hackett gave her access to the archives yet it seems she has never been in there to investigate. The other thing is if she discovered the plans, why didn't she forward a copy of the plans to Hackett while she continues to look for more clues? That's only for those who chose refuse, right? Unless Bioware chooses to use that to continue ME, her time capsule doesn't mean much. If she is in the next game, maybe Bioware would have her not be required to move the story forward. They could have it where if she was killed in ME3, she doesn't show up in the game. If she survives, she shows up. 1-yeah I know. I just show the process. 2-Not conflictual. He asked to pool resources. 3-three sentences and a contradiction in what you wrote. You also made a speculation out of the blue (word game asari/blue). To enlight your understanding. She found the blueprints but she has some doubts. Ultimately the blueprint was the one of the Crucible. It's still her who found them. And why Hackett knowing about Liara discovery didn't ask the plans? Plotium runs deep in the Alliance. 4-yes and? she still does them. She's the only one who plans victory over reaper even if the galaxy is defeated. 5-She will certainly be in the game. How it is an another question. I'm not even sure the action is set in the Milky way. It can be in andromeda. Andromeda would make a lot more sense in regards to the trailer and the artworks. The only thing I need to figure is how Liara get there. 6-well you simply don't like Liara. Admit it.
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Post by themikefest on May 21, 2021 17:01:37 GMT
6-well you simply don't like Liara. Admit it. I don't like Wrex and Anderson and a couple other characters as well. What's your point?
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Post by themikefest on May 21, 2021 17:28:56 GMT
New theory. Knowing how popular Jacob Taylor is , Bioware decides he will be the advisor in the next game helping the main character with whatever. He will give a brief update as to what happened to the characters associated with Shepard and what happened to Shepard. He will also be the connection with Cerberus who will play a major role in the next game. Another theory. Shepard meets the council, Primarch Victus and Urdnot Wreav are present as well, after recovering from his/her wounds suffered in ME3. Shepard presents evidence against the asari for what they failed to do. The leaders, except the asari councilor, have a look of disgust towards her. Wreav jumps right in to have all species attack the asari homeworld. Victus wants to hear what Shepard would recommend before making any comment. Shepard: Asari councilor. What do you think will be the reaction from the general public if they knew this? Wreav: They would want blood Shepard. Don't know why you wouldn't know that. Victus: Calm down Wreav. Lets hear what the Commander has to say. Shepard: I do have my own thoughts about it, but it should be up to you to decide. Whatever you decide, I'm ok with. For now, I will be making sure the reapers are no longer a threat. If you need to get a hold of me, Admiral Hackett can forward any message. ME4Another theory. You play as a reaper. You are the second reaper built after Harbinger. You two are best buds. After each harvest, you both meet at club darkspace to have a few beers to talk smack about who destroyed the most. Another theory is since they showed t'soni in a teaser, she will not be in the next game, but all the other characters from the trilogy will be. Another theory. The teaser showed 3 characters in the background. In the game it will be revealed they really are Larry, Curly, and Moe dressed up in costumes heading to a halloween party.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2021 17:42:02 GMT
I'm not sure why it's so hard to understand that some endings aren't narratively considered viable for continuation, just because some people really hate Liara and think taking her on a low EMS beam run means they can kill her in every possible world state. It's not hard... if they are going forward with a set of canon choices, those choices are already set except for the very ending of ME3. For each game, there is a set of default choices that happen if the player does not import a previous file. Therefore, Jack is dead already before ME3 starts, Wrex is dead already before ME3 starts, Legion is gone before ME3 and there is no way to resolve the geth/quarian war peacefully, Kelly, Gebby and Ken are all dead before ME3 starts, etc.. Only what Bioware would decide are the default choices for ME3 is up for grabs at this point and those are only the choices available if ME3 is played without an import or use of the "comic" for making choices. If you want to get a handle on what Bioware's version of this story is to this point, then it's true - ME3 is the best place to start. Regardless of how they go forward now, they won't be undoing what they have already declared as the default story.
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Post by azarhal on May 21, 2021 18:46:48 GMT
Thumbs up, just for a new theory I haven't come across. However how do you explain the dead reapers she's walking on and what possibly could be MEA characters in the background though There was Reapers downed before ME3 ended. No reasons that wouldn't happen in a post ME2 universe where Shepard died. Example you can see while playing ME3: - Thresher Maw takes one down on Tuchanka - The Leviathan takes one down in the DLC - The one on Rannoch that gets missiles shelled from space Saying that, the scene in the trailer doesn't make much sense in context of ME3 anyway. The Reapers attacked the major civilization centers (outside the few that pursued Shepard) in ME3. We do not see any hints of local civilization in those scenes. No (destroyed) buildings/skyscrapers in the background. There are no lights on the planet/moons dark sides. No space stations or space debris when the ship approach from space. We see 2 Reapers that got frozen dead on a random ice ball and somehow the broken parts of an N7 helmet found its way at the top of one Also, it's one of the moons and not the planet based on the skybox. And it has breathable air (meaning it can't be Alchera, but why would Reapers go there anyhow). That's most probably a new planet. Whatever it is in the Milky Way or Andromeda is the real question. I've seen a theory online that those are Reapers that followed the Quarian Ark* to Andromeda and that they were downed with Remnant tech once in Andromeda. Liara went to check it out after reaching Andromeda for "nostalgia reasons". The N7 gear is just symbolic (or Ryder dropped dad's helmet). *It departed after the Reapers invaded Batarian space, but before ME3 started proper.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 21, 2021 19:06:33 GMT
I'm not sure why it's so hard to understand that some endings aren't narratively considered viable for continuation, just because some people really hate Liara and think taking her on a low EMS beam run means they can kill her in every possible world state. It's not hard... if they are going forward with a set of canon choices, those choices are already set except for the very ending of ME3. For each game, there is a set of default choices that happen if the player does not import a previous file. Therefore, Jack is dead already before ME3 starts, Wrex is dead already before ME3 starts, Legion is gone before ME3 and there is no way to resolve the geth/quarian war peacefully, Kelly, Gebby and Ken are all dead before ME3 starts, etc.. Only what Bioware would decide are the default choices for ME3 is up for grabs at this point and those are only the choices available if ME3 is played without an import or use of the "comic" for making choices. If you want to get a handle on what Bioware's version of this story is to this point, then it's true - ME3 is the best place to start. Regardless of how they go forward now, they won't be undoing what they have already declared as the default story. Jack wasn't even supposed to be dead in ME3. She was supposed to be a squadmate, hence the redesign. They cut her for time and because Patrick Weekes argued choosing Tali over her. A trade off not worthwhile, considering Tali is a squadmate for less than 25% of the game and is a fucking Admiral as well. It makes no sense for her to be a squadmate.
But Bioware are free to do what they want with Will Continue. And I am ready to lose my interest in it. No big deal.
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It's not hard... if they are going forward with a set of canon choices, those choices are already set except for the very ending of ME3. For each game, there is a set of default choices that happen if the player does not import a previous file. Therefore, Jack is dead already before ME3 starts, Wrex is dead already before ME3 starts, Legion is gone before ME3 and there is no way to resolve the geth/quarian war peacefully, Kelly, Gebby and Ken are all dead before ME3 starts, etc.. Only what Bioware would decide are the default choices for ME3 is up for grabs at this point and those are only the choices available if ME3 is played without an import or use of the "comic" for making choices. If you want to get a handle on what Bioware's version of this story is to this point, then it's true - ME3 is the best place to start. Regardless of how they go forward now, they won't be undoing what they have already declared as the default story. Jack wasn't even supposed to be dead in ME3. She was supposed to be a squadmate, hence the redesign. They cut her for time and because Patrick Weekes argued choosing Tali over her. A trade off not worthwhile, considering Tali is a squadmate for less than 25% of the game and is a fucking Admiral as well. It makes no sense for her to be a squadmate.
But Bioware are free to do what they want with Will Continue. And I am ready to lose my interest in it. No big deal.
What was supposed to happen and what happened are two different things. Only what happened is relevant and in the default ME3, Jack is not there and Prangly dies as a result, period... end of story. What the player can choose and what Bioware chose are two different things. When Bioware made ME3, they ultimately made their choices... and their choices are the canon ones. The canon of what happened in ME1 and ME2 has long been written in stone and presented in the default playthrough of ME3. Wish what you like... it is what it is.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 21, 2021 19:18:44 GMT
What was supposed to happen and what happened are two different things. Only what happened is relevant and in the default ME3, Jack is not there and Prangly dies as a result, period... end of story. What the player can choose and what Bioware chose are two different things. When Bioware made ME3, they ultimately made their choices... and their choices are the canon ones. The canon of what happened in ME1 and ME2 has long been written in stone and presented in the default playthrough of ME3. Wish what you like... it is what it is. You sound upset.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 21, 2021 19:25:43 GMT
Jack wasn't even supposed to be dead in ME3. She was supposed to be a squadmate, hence the redesign. They cut her for time and because Patrick Weekes argued choosing Tali over her. A trade off not worthwhile, considering Tali is a squadmate for less than 25% of the game and is a fucking Admiral as well. It makes no sense for her to be a squadmate.
But Bioware are free to do what they want with Will Continue. And I am ready to lose my interest in it. No big deal.
What was supposed to happen and what happened are two different things. Only what happened is relevant and in the default ME3, Jack is not there and Prangly dies as a result, period... end of story. What the player can choose and what Bioware chose are two different things. When Bioware made ME3, they ultimately made their choices... and their choices are the canon ones. The canon of what happened in ME1 and ME2 has long been written in stone and presented in the default playthrough of ME3. Wish what you like... it is what it is. Default =/= Canon. Bioware has been adamant about this, even to the point of invalidating parts of their EU if it goes against the player's canon (for example if a character from a game that can die is in a book or comic, then they are not involved in that player's timeline and events play out similarly but different like we see in ME3).
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What was supposed to happen and what happened are two different things. Only what happened is relevant and in the default ME3, Jack is not there and Prangly dies as a result, period... end of story. What the player can choose and what Bioware chose are two different things. When Bioware made ME3, they ultimately made their choices... and their choices are the canon ones. The canon of what happened in ME1 and ME2 has long been written in stone and presented in the default playthrough of ME3. Wish what you like... it is what it is. Default =/= Canon. Bioware has been adamant about this, even to the point of invalidating parts of their EU if it goes against the player's canon (for example if a character from a game that can die is in a book or comic, then they are not involved in that player's timeline and events play out similarly but different like we see in ME3). Where the ME games are concerned... nothing in the default playthrough of ME3 negates anything in the default playthrough of ME2. Everything in a default playthrough of ME2 was possible resulting from events in ME1. The sequence of the default games is intact and I doubt they are changing that with whatever they go through with to go forward in a ME5. There is absolutely no need for them to do that. The question posed by the person to whom I was responding is why is it so hard for people to believe that not all their choices are viable for continuation. It's not hard... it's just that Bioware has a history of making default choices that the players themselves disagree with... and they want their choices to go forward... and "eff" anyone's else's choices.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2021 19:58:44 GMT
What was supposed to happen and what happened are two different things. Only what happened is relevant and in the default ME3, Jack is not there and Prangly dies as a result, period... end of story. What the player can choose and what Bioware chose are two different things. When Bioware made ME3, they ultimately made their choices... and their choices are the canon ones. The canon of what happened in ME1 and ME2 has long been written in stone and presented in the default playthrough of ME3. Wish what you like... it is what it is. You sound upset. Well, you do have a history of making erroneous assumptions. No, I'm not upset. I'm perfectly happy to play an ME5 forward from the story as presented in a default, non-imported ME3 file. What decisions made in ME3 from that start are "up for grabs" still... until Bioware tells me what those defaults are (what decisions they made during their playthrough of that game). I'll judge their decisions when such a game comes out... not before. Right now, I've seen nothing in the remaster that changes the default ME3 starting position.
Does Jack appear in ME3LE if you start out with ME3 and skip the comic?
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