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Post by QuizzyBunny on May 22, 2021 17:45:57 GMT
Hmmm, on the one hand it would be nice giving Ryder another go and giving them a chance to finish their story... on the other I'm always up for making a new protagonist. So I guess I'd be fine either way.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 22, 2021 18:37:27 GMT
As t this point I may as well just assume the worst. Destroy is canon, Kelly is not in this next Shepard game at all while all other LIs will be, etc. Avoid the hope that I experienced with DA4 only for it to be a knife in the back. Nobody outside of Liara is returning, not even Grunt. We're in the same boat. At least, I could make you a sequel with Kelly and make it believable and in character, at that. I can sympathize, but that's about all I can do. Not speculating anything seems to be the best route for me.. so I'm not speculating that "Destroy is canon"... we'll cross that bridge if Bioware actually ever reveals it. (At my age, as I said, there's a good chance I won't still be around anyways... but I've said that before and I'm still here... the future isn't in our hands.) I'm sorry to hear that, Up. I'm wishing you the best of health. If you want to talk about it, I'm all ears.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 22, 2021 19:20:07 GMT
How so? I"m not sure I follow I posted this to her, i did not expect a reply. She's a trusted source and she's confirming ryder is not that person. I was pretty certain it would be Ryder, though. The other option would be the "Blue Bandit" a.k.a. Peebee. Why you ask? Because, it's the torch that Liara could be passing: her own. What do I mean, because I tend not to make much sense, right? Especially after a few pints like today. It's been a hard day. I digress. Peebee is supposed to be the Lara replacement, for the series. It's pretty obvious, down to the eyebrows. She wasn't meant to be there for one game. And it makes sense for Liara to look at her and smile, because, as her replacement, the symbolism is that she looks to Peebee and sees her younger self. Therefore the smile. But Peebee is tied to Ryder. Not just as a member of the crew, but as a potential LI and a clear surrogate for Liara. You wouldn't have Peebee potentially cheat on Ryder, by assigning her to a new protagonist and you wouldn't relegate her to a non-LI character. But we already know Tom Taylorson, though involved in Will Continue he may be, is not returning as Ryder. So that rules Peebee out completely. Unless Bioware intends to shit on Ryder completely. They wouldn't do that, though, would they?
So with no Peebee and no Ryder, the symbolism falls flat. That means its nobody from Andromeda, because nobody else fits the bill. And we are meant to know who that person is, or someone we can guess. And someone that would mean something to Liara and the players. That really narrows down the options available to us. Unless it's for nobody we know. In which case Bioware made a passing of the torch, from Liara, to the protagonist, that isn't Ryder this time, therefore shitting on Ryder indirectly, through the trailer, to reveal a protagonist that we don't even know and therefore revealing him to us doesn't even matter. Which is stupid to say the least, but not unprecedentedly stupid by Bioware standards.
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I suggest you do a non-import ME3 run and skip the comic and see what happens. I'll check it out. I've done new game on ME3 but probably used the comic - which I hate. Wish I'd never had that comic in the first place. I do think Ash is the default Virmire survivor but I'm surprised Wrex being shot is also default. Is Wrex's death dependent on whether or not you start as Renegade (Earthborn, Butcher of Torvan) or Paragon (Spacer, Hero of Elysium)? It seems like that would factor in as to how Shepard might deal with Wrex. Regarding Samara, do you have to recruit her? I feel like certain events can happen regardless of what stage of recruitment you're at. Is it possible to go there without a full crew? I know Jack can survive the swarm. If she died on the SR2 due to lack of loyalty, it would also mean Miranda or Jacob died, since neither are strong enough to maintain the barrier. I almost want to do a new PT of ME2 to figure this out before a new ME3/no comic run. I uninstalled both comics on my Xbox 360 and never did install them on my Xbox One. I was happy to learn that they put a option to skip them in MELE. For a ME2 default, non-import save file, whether Ashley or Kaidan survives depends solely on your Shep's gender. MaleShep is Ashley and FemShep is Kaidan. It was in a ME3 default, non-import where Bioware changed it to have the player make a choice (at least on the Xbox). Wrex's death is universal, AFAIK. In ME2, it's Wreav that is on Tuchanka and again in ME3. In ME2 default, Garrus recognizes Shepard on Omega and in ME3, he continues to reference "old times" (all those references occur even if the player is not playing the default and did not recruit Garrus in ME1). The default state for Garrus is that he was recruited in ME1 in all cases.
While playing ME2, you don't have to recruit Samara and, indeed, you can replace her with Morinth; but neither do you have to recruit Thane. The ME3 default, non-import, however, indicates quite clearly that Thane was recruited and did not survive the SM, along with Jack. With Samara, since there is no reference to her on the wall, it is likely that she was not recruited... and my mistake assuming lack of loyalty. Lack of loyalty does not necessarily result in death during the SM, but if all are disloyal, some deaths during the SM will occurr, particularly if Legion is never activate and Grunt is left in his tank, and you don't recruit Kasumi or Zaeed. It's a pretty skinny SM crew to start with. Juggling loyalty and who holds the line is the key to getting the "right" individuals to survive the SM and killing off the others. Discrepancies (perhaps impossibilities) here probably exist, but themikefest would know better than I.
I don't think Jack's and Thane's death are due to lack of Normandy upgrades, but I'd have to recheck my ME3 non-import save file to see what was given for War Assets for the Normandy to be sure. In the ME3 non-import save, MIranda and Jacob clearly survive the SM; however, Miranda cannot be saved during Horizon even if Shepard meets her all three times, warns her about Kai Leng, and gives her the data. A BroShep cannot romance her either nor can he romance Tali. FemShep cannot romance Garrus and no previous romance with Jacob is mentioned.
ETA: I also keep forgetting to mention Mordin. He survives the SM, according to a ME3, non-import, default game... but Maelon's data is destroyed. There is no way to save Eve. Mordin, however, can survive through the end of ME3.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 22, 2021 21:58:03 GMT
As t this point I may as well just assume the worst. Destroy is canon, Kelly is not in this next Shepard game at all while all other LIs will be, etc. Avoid the hope that I experienced with DA4 only for it to be a knife in the back. I know it would be difficult to pull off, but I don't know why there couldn't be a possibility of somehow incorporating any of the three endings. Maybe the green stuff was more for show so we'd know that organics were changed. As for Kelly, I'd hope ME5 would allow for importing saves from ME3. Even if Destroy were canon, there's no reason to think that Kelly would be dead. I think Thane, and Kaidan or Ashley, are the only certain deaths. I could see BioWare choosing survival based on allowing most squadmates/allies to survive. If BW wants, they can probably please a lot of fans no matter how they play, what ending is chosen or whether or not Shep is friendly or "unpleasant".
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Post by dmc1001 on May 22, 2021 21:59:26 GMT
Shepard's back ground has nothing to do with Wrex being dead. Then what's the deciding factor? Wrex being dead is the default. Seems like an odd choice for BioWare to make.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 22, 2021 22:01:32 GMT
Mordin, however, can survive through the end of ME3. Only if he agrees to a fake genophage cure.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2021 22:10:38 GMT
Shepard's back ground has nothing to do with Wrex being dead. Then what's the deciding factor? Wrex being dead is the default. Seems like an odd choice for BioWare to make. I don't think it's a "odd" choice for Bioware to have made. Writers often add in new characters and retire old ones to advance their vision of the story. With Wrex dead and Wreav in charge, it gives Shepard a reason to be very wary of the krogan and to not cure the genophage... yet. Shepard can say as much in ME3. The result of doing it that way is that Mordin survives ME3. As I said, any choice the player can make using the default, non-import, no comic ME3 start is up for grabs. We don't know how Bioware might continue those story threads into a ME5.
Also, their creating a default and using it as canon does not preclude them granting any assortment of non-canon choices to the player. Yes, they could start ME5 in a way that keeps all the endings in play for the player and yet still use, in their default story, one ending as canon. It doesn't have to be the most popular one either... since the most popular ME2 ending has everyone surviving the SM and that is clearly not the default start of ME3.
Nothing would make me happier than to see them keep all endings in play in the next game. Will they? I don't know. What ending will they choose to run with, if any? I don't know. I don't think anyone here actually does know. Bioware hasn't told us, yet.
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Post by The Elder King on May 22, 2021 22:16:54 GMT
As t this point I may as well just assume the worst. Destroy is canon, Kelly is not in this next Shepard game at all while all other LIs will be, etc. Avoid the hope that I experienced with DA4 only for it to be a knife in the back. Nobody outside of Liara is returning, not even Grunt. We're in the same boat. At least, I could make you a sequel with Kelly and make it believable and in character, at that. I can sympathize, but that's about all I can do. Not speculating anything seems to be the best route for me.. so I'm not speculating that "Destroy is canon"... we'll cross that bridge if Bioware actually ever reveals it. (At my age, as I said, there's a good chance I won't still be around anyways... but I've said that before and I'm still here... the future isn't in our hands.) I'm sorry to hear that, Up. I'm wishing you the best of health. If you want to talk about it, I'm all ears. A question, is the Grunt bit your expectation, or something you were told about? I’m not expecting Grunt to be back, unfortunately, but I want to know if yours is a speculation or something more secure (although at this stage of development most things could change).
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Post by themikefest on May 22, 2021 22:26:53 GMT
Why would Jack be dead if you didn't play ME2? Seems weird to me. Also see Thane, Kelly, Rupert, Donnelly, Daniels and Wrex. I guess Wrex would have died in ME1 and the Suicide Mission didn't go so well. I looked at the image I posted with all the names. Jack, Thane are dead. Garrus, Miranda, Jacob, Mordin, and Tali are in ME3. What is wrong with the above? There's only 7 names. That is a problem because 8 squadmates are needed to go through omega 4 relay. Let's use those seven. Garrus, Jacob, and Tali provide the upgrades for the ship. Here's another problem. When looking at your war assets in ME3, the SR2 does not have those upgrades. That leads to 3 deaths, but of the seven, only 2 are dead. Jack dies with no armor, and Thane dies because of no Thannix cannon. Since there's no shield upgrade, a third has to die. That will depend on who was taken to fight the oculus. It would either be Tali or Garrus. Let's assume the ship is upgraded. Who is not loyal? Miranda and Tali. Tali because she is an exile when you see her in ME3. Miranda because she dies in ME3 regardless. So it's assumed Garrus, Mordin and jacob are loyal. If Tali is not used in the vent, who will be in the vent? That character will die no matter what. What about an escort? You need to send someone back because Chakwas is in ME3? Who do you send? Can't be Miranda or Tali. Who will take care of the barrier? Lets say Jack is loyal, and Garrus is loyal so he is 2nd fireteam leader. That's good. Now who to you send to fight the proto reaper. Both have to be loyal to survive. Lets send Jack and Thane. I'm now assuming Jack isn't loyal. Both are dead. What about holding the line. If Garrus, Jacob and Mordin are loyal leaving Tali and Miranda not, Tali will die, and likely Miranda. Why? Because between the 5, the average is below 2. You have 5 characters. Need at least a score of ten for all to survive. Garrus, if loyal, would be worth 4, Jacob 2, and Mordin 1. I could have done this differently, but as you can see, there's no way a suicide mission would have happened without having an 8th squadmate. The names of the crew died because more than 2 missions were completed after they were taken by the collectors.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 22, 2021 22:30:13 GMT
A question, is the Grunt bit your expectation, or something you were told about? I’m not expecting Grunt to be back, unfortunately, but I want to know if yours is a speculation or something more secure (although at this stage of development most things could change). All I had been told is that Liara would return and nobody else. Also, that Liara's involvement per future title could increase, or decrease depending on a per title game performance.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 22, 2021 22:39:31 GMT
As t this point I may as well just assume the worst. Destroy is canon, Kelly is not in this next Shepard game at all while all other LIs will be, etc. Avoid the hope that I experienced with DA4 only for it to be a knife in the back. I know it would be difficult to pull off, but I don't know why there couldn't be a possibility of somehow incorporating any of the three endings. Maybe the green stuff was more for show so we'd know that organics were changed. As for Kelly, I'd hope ME5 would allow for importing saves from ME3. Even if Destroy were canon, there's no reason to think that Kelly would be dead. I think Thane, and Kaidan or Ashley, are the only certain deaths. I could see BioWare choosing survival based on allowing most squadmates/allies to survive. If BW wants, they can probably please a lot of fans no matter how they play, what ending is chosen or whether or not Shep is friendly or "unpleasant". I would be fine with and can certainly see ways to have the three endings lead to a unified worldstate. Other games have done that, for example Deus Ex did it twice. After all the grandpa scene at the end can be used to explain how different endings happened being different ways of telling the story. I agree I think the green lines were more just metaphorical to help explain during the ending. The main problem for ME3 isn’t the final choice but the ones before that killed off races or not. As for the Kelly bit, it’s more just how BioWare has continually snubbed Kelly and her fans. From having next to no content in ME3, to having her able to be killed off twice more, to getting no farewell scene or being the only LI not showing up in Shepard’s final memories (despite granting the paramour achievement in ME3), to being the only LI not in the Citadel DLC (even Thane gets a force ghost for a moment), to her appearance being ruined first in regular ME3 and now again in MELE.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 22, 2021 22:41:13 GMT
Nobody outside of Liara is returning, not even Grunt. We're in the same boat. At least, I could make you a sequel with Kelly and make it believable and in character, at that. I'm sorry to hear that, Up. I'm wishing you the best of health. If you want to talk about it, I'm all ears. A question, is the Grunt bit your expectation, or something you were told about? I’m not expecting Grunt to be back, unfortunately, but I want to know if yours is a speculation or something more secure (although at this stage of development most things could change). Im pretty sure they only mentioned Grunt since he could be alive even after a few centuries timeskip. Him, Liara, and maybe EDI would be the only ones of the main group.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2021 22:42:55 GMT
Why would Jack be dead if you didn't play ME2? Seems weird to me. Also see Thane, Kelly, Rupert, Donnelly, Daniels and Wrex. I guess Wrex would have died in ME1 and the Suicide Mission didn't go so well. I looked at the image I posted with all the names. Jack, Thane are dead. Garrus, Miranda, Jacob, Mordin, and Tali are in ME3. What is wrong with the above? There's only 7 names. That is a problem because 8 squadmates are needed to go through omega 4 relay. Let's use those seven. Garrus, Jacob, and Tali provide the upgrades for the ship. Here's another problem. When looking at your war assets in ME3, the SR2 does not have those upgrades. That leads to 3 deaths, but of the seven, only 2 are dead. Jack dies with no armor, and Thane dies because of no Thannix cannon. Since there's no shield upgrade, a third has to die. That will depend on who was taken to fight the oculus. It would either be Tali or Garrus. Let's assume the ship is upgraded. Who is not loyal? Miranda and Tali. Tali because she is an exile when you see her in ME3. Miranda because she dies in ME3 regardless. So it's assumed Garrus, Mordin and jacob are loyal. If Tali is not used in the vent, who will be in the vent? That character will die no matter what. What about an escort? You need to send someone back because Chakwas is in ME3? Who do you send? Can't be Miranda or Tali. Who will take care of the barrier? Lets say Jack is loyal, and Garrus is loyal so he is 2nd fireteam leader. That's good. Now who to you send to fight the proto reaper. Both have to be loyal to survive. Lets send Jack and Thane. I'm now assuming Jack isn't loyal. Both are dead. What about holding the line. If Garrus, Jacob and Mordin are loyal leaving Tali and Miranda not, Tali will die, and likely Miranda. Why? Because between the 5, the average is below 2. You have 5 characters. Need at least a score of ten for all to survive. Garrus, if loyal, would be worth 4, Jacob 2, and Mordin 1. I could have done this differently, but as you can see, there's no way a suicide mission would have happened without having an 8th squadmate. The names of the crew died because more than 2 missions were completed after they were taken by the collectors. I'm thinking the 8th would be Samara, who would hold the barrier. I can't explain her "disappearance" in ME3 though.
ETA: Unless... the default decision is to have replaced Samara with Morinth. Does Morinth show up at all in a default ME3 playthrough on Earth?
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Post by dmc1001 on May 22, 2021 22:43:19 GMT
I looked at the image I posted with all the names. Jack, Thane are dead. Garrus, Miranda, Jacob, Mordin, and Tali are in ME3. What is wrong with the above? There's only 7 names. That is a problem because 8 squadmates are needed to go through omega 4 relay. That I get but there are a total of 12 potential squadmates. Jack would only die if she isn't loyal. I guess the real question is about who showed up in ME3. Did Samara show up in ME3? It makes a huge difference. Jack could only have died on the SR2.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 22, 2021 22:44:02 GMT
for example Deus Ex did it twice Yeah, but basically by denying the endings of the previous games even happened. At least, with Mankind Divided. I never played Invisible War.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 22, 2021 22:46:00 GMT
As for the Kelly bit, it’s more just how BioWare has continually snubbed Kelly and her fans. From having next to no content in ME3, to having her able to be killed off twice more, to getting no farewell scene or being the only LI not showing up in Shepard’s final memories (despite granting the paramour achievement in ME3), to being the only LI not in the Citadel DLC (even Thane gets a force ghost for a moment), to her appearance being ruined first in regular ME3 and now again in MELE. The ME3 was actually bothersome to me. I was having trouble with ME2 - multiple crashes - so used a save game editor to complete it. Was positive I checked all the flags. Then I imported it into ME3. No Kelly. No space hamster, either. Both bummed me out. I was able to flag space hamster back into existence but nothing for Kelly. I know her part was minimal but I did want her. She's so sweet and definitely deserved to live.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 22, 2021 22:48:18 GMT
for example Deus Ex did it twice Yeah, but basically by denying the endings of the previous games even happened. At least, with Mankind Divided. I never played Invisible War. It didn’t deny them. Three of the endings were different ways of spinning what happened, while the fourth was sinking Panchaea. Mankind Divided had those three spins all happen, while Panchaea was destroyed. The only choice they retconned was if Faridah Malik lived or not, adding that scene where she left you a model of her ship in your cereal with a note due to fan demand of her at least having a cameo in the game and the devs responding (I loved that exchange).
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Post by dmc1001 on May 22, 2021 22:53:23 GMT
for example Deus Ex did it twice Yeah, but basically by denying the endings of the previous games even happened. At least, with Mankind Divided. I never played Invisible War. Liliana also springs to mind. I think there was an explanation - lyrium ghost or something - but it still ignored player choice. I think, ultimately, BW is going to do its best to make as many fans happy as possible. And I say that because they know they've been making some decisions people were unhappy about. It's why we seem to be back in the MW in ME5. It's why DA4 is SP-only versus live service as originally thought. It's why MELE exists. They're looking to please their fans again, which is very welcome. Obviously, not everything can work out. Shep pretty much has to be dead at the end of ME3. The continued existence of EDI and the geth is pretty easy. Just rebuild them. It would be work but I bet you anything there's a backup of EDI somewhere. Fix the body and upload the mind. Which is to say, she'd exist regardless of player choice. Similar thing with the geth, at least so long as the quarians are alive. It seems unlikely that the krogan would die off anytime soon, genophage cure or not. Characters that hinge on major plot points could be offstage. "Sad that Mordin can't be here for this." Doesn't tell us if he's dead or alive, just not present. I think importing would mostly be about world states and can possibly ignore endings - if they want it. Edit: Another thought is one I've seem suggested in the past, which is that the grandparent talking to grandchild was weaving a story. The details are uncertain. It leaves BW a lot of room to tweak things into something that might not fully please everyone but should give all players something they like.
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Post by themikefest on May 22, 2021 22:57:20 GMT
I looked at the image I posted with all the names. Jack, Thane are dead. Garrus, Miranda, Jacob, Mordin, and Tali are in ME3. What is wrong with the above? There's only 7 names. That is a problem because 8 squadmates are needed to go through omega 4 relay. That I get but there are a total of 12 potential squadmates. Jack would only die if she isn't loyal. I guess the real question is about who showed up in ME3. Did Samara show up in ME3? It makes a huge difference. Jack could only have died on the SR2. Even if Samara were to be in ME3, Tali or Garrus has to be dead because no shield upgrade. If both are taken to fight the oculus, Thane dies because of no shield and Garrus would die because no thannix cannon. I would suggest looking at the chart in the suicide mission thread to get an idea of who dies without upgrades to the ship, and who can die because they aren't loyal
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 22, 2021 23:01:32 GMT
It didn’t deny them. Three of the endings were different ways of spinning what happened, while the fourth was sinking Panchaea. Mankind Divided had those three spins all happen, while Panchaea was destroyed. Yeah, but ... Adam died. Drowned and buried under a collapsed building. Still brought back. Which is why it's basically denying the endings. None of it matters, nothing's changed, we're back to zero. And you could do that to Mass Effect, but you've already introduced Andromeda, to avoid doing that, and you've retired Shepard and Co. so there's no benefit to addressing it. If you want to make a new game, set it in any place in the universe, in the year 49553, or whatever, so far in the future from what happened, that anything is possible. At some point we repaired the Reapers? Possible. We achieved Synthesis for the transhumanists? Possible. The Geth were rebuilt and are now so advanced that don't look or behave anything like the Geth we knew? Possible. Any less than 30k years after the events of ME3, if you want to merge the endings, is a no go for me, though.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 22, 2021 23:18:06 GMT
They're looking to please their fans again, which is very welcome. It's a little late for that, for me. Obviously, not everything can work out. Shep pretty much has to be dead at the end of ME3 And that's a cut off point for me. Like I've said, I'm not interested. Just as I'm not interested in Star Wars, until the Sequel Trilogy is undone, which it won't be. And similarly, what they've done to ME with ME3 broke ME for me. I can follow it for ME1 and ME2, but after that, it's adios. If they don't make a sequel with Ryder, they're going to make a sequel with Ryder 2.0 and if it isn't Ryder's crew, it's Ryder 2.0's crew and I'm not a fan of spending my time with these people. I have better shooters out there to play that don't involve me talking to people I have no interest in for 40 hours. And as great as the setting is, it doesn't build investment, in a world of prefabs and 2-3 corridor cities, populated by people I don't like. Even the trilogy was basically just the Citadel and Omega. And we blew the Citadel up, in ME3. I've got a lot of complaints about the setting and this is probably not the best format to make them.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on May 22, 2021 23:29:09 GMT
I posted this to her, i did not expect a reply. She's a trusted source and she's confirming ryder is not that person. I was pretty certain it would be Ryder, though. The other option would be the "Blue Bandit" a.k.a. Peebee. Why you ask? Because, it's the torch that Liara could be passing: her own. What do I mean, because I tend not to make much sense, right? Especially after a few pints like today. It's been a hard day. I digress. Peebee is supposed to be the Lara replacement, for the series. It's pretty obvious, down to the eyebrows. She wasn't meant to be there for one game. And it makes sense for Liara to look at her and smile, because, as her replacement, the symbolism is that she looks to Peebee and sees her younger self. Therefore the smile. But Peebee is tied to Ryder. Not just as a member of the crew, but as a potential LI and a clear surrogate for Liara. You wouldn't have Peebee potentially cheat on Ryder, by assigning her to a new protagonist and you wouldn't relegate her to a non-LI character. But we already know Tom Taylorson, though involved in Will Continue he may be, is not returning as Ryder. So that rules Peebee out completely. Unless Bioware intends to shit on Ryder completely. They wouldn't do that, though, would they?
So with no Peebee and no Ryder, the symbolism falls flat. That means its nobody from Andromeda, because nobody else fits the bill. And we are meant to know who that person is, or someone we can guess. And someone that would mean something to Liara and the players. That really narrows down the options available to us. Unless it's for nobody we know. In which case Bioware made a passing of the torch, from Liara, to the protagonist, that isn't Ryder this time, therefore shitting on Ryder indirectly, through the trailer, to reveal a protagonist that we don't even know and therefore revealing him to us doesn't even matter. Which is stupid to say the least, but not unprecedentedly stupid by Bioware standards.
Liana said her source could always have a possibility of not being 100% sure. I agree with what you say, if they teased that we might know this character but then it's one we don't know, is gonna be awfully misleading. Anyway, I'm just gonna wait and see.
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Post by Noxluxe on May 22, 2021 23:38:35 GMT
Obviously, not everything can work out. Shep pretty much has to be dead at the end of ME3. The continued existence of EDI and the geth is pretty easy. Just rebuild them. It would be work but I bet you anything there's a backup of EDI somewhere. Fix the body and upload the mind. Which is to say, she'd exist regardless of player choice. Similar thing with the geth, at least so long as the quarians are alive. It seems unlikely that the krogan would die off anytime soon, genophage cure or not. Characters that hinge on major plot points could be offstage. "Sad that Mordin can't be here for this." Doesn't tell us if he's dead or alive, just not present. I think importing would mostly be about world states and can possibly ignore endings - if they want it. Edit: Another thought is one I've seem suggested in the past, which is that the grandparent talking to grandchild was weaving a story. The details are uncertain. It leaves BW a lot of room to tweak things into something that might not fully please everyone but should give all players something they like. Yeah, no, sorry, I don't spend 70/+ hours per playthrough crafting an intricate and detailed and dramatic narrative full of tragedy and heroism and sacrifice for characters I love because I hope that the next game will pretend it all could have happened. #NotMyMilkyWay
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 22, 2021 23:46:06 GMT
It didn’t deny them. Three of the endings were different ways of spinning what happened, while the fourth was sinking Panchaea. Mankind Divided had those three spins all happen, while Panchaea was destroyed. Yeah, but ... Adam died. Drowned and buried under a collapsed building. Still brought back. Which is why it's basically denying the endings. None of it matters, nothing's changed, we're back to zero. And you could do that to Mass Effect, but you've already introduced Andromeda, to avoid doing that, and you've retired Shepard and Co. so there's no benefit to addressing it. If you want to make a new game, set it in any place in the universe, in the year 49553, or whatever, so far in the future from what happened, that anything is possible. At some point we repaired the Reapers? Possible. We achieved Synthesis for the transhumanists? Possible. The Geth were rebuilt and are now so advanced that don't look or behave anything like the Geth we knew? Possible. Any less than 30k years after the events of ME3, if you want to merge the endings, is a no go for me, though. How Adam survived, or if this Adam is even the same Adam from Human Revolution, was very much a mystery they were setting up to be explored in the cancelled third game. Again, I'd much rather we leave the Milky Way alone and continue in Andromeda. But if we have to go back to the Milky Way, I'd prefer a continuation of the three endings instead of them making the one that removes my favorite race as canon.
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