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Post by SirSourpuss on May 23, 2021 0:12:14 GMT
How Adam survived, or if this Adam is even the same Adam from Human Revolution, was very much a mystery they were setting up to be explored in the cancelled third game. I can't judge something on the merit of what we didn't get. Again, I'd much rather we leave the Milky Way alone and continue in Andromeda. But if we have to go back to the Milky Way, I'd prefer a continuation of the three endings instead of them making the one that removes my favorite race as canon. And if you don't pick one, there's no reason to go back to it. The point is to see the results of your actions. And if you're going to place it so far away to the future, so as to really not matter, 30k year at the least, so I don't have to see, hear or even read about T'Soni.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2021 1:21:38 GMT
That I get but there are a total of 12 potential squadmates. Jack would only die if she isn't loyal. I guess the real question is about who showed up in ME3. Did Samara show up in ME3? It makes a huge difference. Jack could only have died on the SR2. Even if Samara were to be in ME3, Tali or Garrus has to be dead because no shield upgrade. If both are taken to fight the oculus, Thane dies because of no shield and Garrus would die because no thannix cannon. I would suggest looking at the chart in the suicide mission thread to get an idea of who dies without upgrades to the ship, and who can die because they aren't loyal What would be the indication in the War Assets if, say, the player upgraded one of those, but not both? Isn't it true that anyone can die because they aren't loyal. The player just has to take them on the last leg of the SM.
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Post by themikefest on May 23, 2021 2:05:56 GMT
What would be the indication in the War Assets if, say, the player upgraded one of those, but not both? When looking under assets for Alliance, check the Normandy. It will say whether or not the ship has been upgraded with a description. If a ME3 default playthrough, the ship will have no upgrades. True. The same can be said for anyone who is loyal depending on what is done during the mission. Just have to make sure that character doesn't do anything that could get them killed. For hold the line, if there's not enough for all, then that character will likely die. There are many scenarios to have a character die or survive.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2021 2:22:55 GMT
What would be the indication in the War Assets if, say, the player upgraded one of those, but not both? When looking under assets for Alliance, check the Normandy. It will say whether or not the ship has been upgraded by showing an image, the same one seen in ME2, with an explanation. If a ME3 default playthrough, the ship will have no upgrades. True. The same can be said for anyone who is loyal depending on what is done during the mission. Just have to make sure that character doesn't do anything that could get them killed. For hold the line, if there's not enough for all, then that character will likely die. There are many scenarios to have a character die or survive. So, it does show which individual upgrades have been made and which have not and there is no way one upgrade could have been made in the default.
All I was meaning to indicate was that any disloyal character taken on the last leg of the SM will die at that point.
ETA: Nevermind - I finally found an old save where I had partially upgraded the ship and now see where the difference is indicated. I have a default ME3 save where I can just redo the Ardat-Yakshi quest to determine if Morinth is the default choice there. It still won't make it perfect, of course because of the Normandy upgrades issue, but it might explain why a surviving "Samara" doesn't show up at the monastery in the default.
ETA2: Not Morinth. Confirmed by Yanis email present in the Monastery.
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Post by Iakus on May 23, 2021 5:50:51 GMT
for example Deus Ex did it twice Yeah, but basically by denying the endings of the previous games even happened. At least, with Mankind Divided. I never played Invisible War. Invisible War sorta smooshed all the endings into one: JC tried to merge with Helios, but the process was flawed and incomplete, leading to a "mini dark age" which the reformed Illuminati was still pulling the strings and manipulating factions. Mankind DIvided didn't deny the endings so much asit refused to say what happened. We never hear about which message, if any Adam sent out. Only that people still turned against augs, which maybe means he sent out Darrow's message, or maybe one of the others and it wasn't believed. Or he didn't send any out and people drew their own conclusions.. We also know that both he and Sarif survived, albeit badly injured. So I guess the only ending that is outright refuted is the destruction of Panchea. But eve that could be explained as Adam really sucking at suicide... Oh, and Malik is heavily implied to have survived as well
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Post by KaiserShep on May 23, 2021 18:54:05 GMT
Given the importance of Liara in the trilogy it makes sense to bring her back. After she said Ilos she became useless because Shepard had the cipher making the asari obsolete. But Bioware chose not to have Shepard use the cipher except for that one moment on Thessia. Plot critical =/= important. Whether we like it or not, BioWare always placed a special priority on the character, and she’s the only base game companion with her own DLC. She’s basically the mascot, even if you really want someone else to be front and center.
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Post by t4rget on May 23, 2021 20:21:42 GMT
After she said Ilos she became useless because Shepard had the cipher making the asari obsolete. But Bioware chose not to have Shepard use the cipher except for that one moment on Thessia. Plot critical =/= important. Whether we like it or not, BioWare always placed a special priority on the character, and she’s the only base game companion with her own DLC. She’s basically the mascot, even if you really want someone else to be front and center. She's designed to be the main companion, as well as the main romance and the science hero. Kind of dr spock with sexual intercourse possibility. However the trailer can be a clever cross-cut shot. Liara and n7 piece of armor being more a reference than an upcoming feature. I don't really care about liara being or not into the next opus. I want a compelling story with unique and memorable characters. Not the ones given in andromeda. On another topic, i did a bit of astronomy this weekend.Can the nebula just before liara's scene be the magellanic stream and not a nebula? I feel the two bright zones are the LMC and the SMC with the Bridge in between and the stream behind. Not a perfect representation of it, some artistic input blended in.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 23, 2021 20:23:54 GMT
So I'm reading this and and the Game Informer article linked in that twitter post thread and, as I've been saying, we're in for a crock of shit with Will Continue. I don't want this game.
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Post by themikefest on May 24, 2021 0:22:31 GMT
After she said Ilos she became useless because Shepard had the cipher making the asari obsolete. But Bioware chose not to have Shepard use the cipher except for that one moment on Thessia. Plot critical =/= important. Whether we like it or not, BioWare always placed a special priority on the character, and she’s the only base game companion with her own DLC. She’s basically the mascot, even if you really want someone else to be front and center. Mascot? Would a team really want her to be their mascot? Probably not since they'll be worried she might take their uniforms.
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Post by jamierose95 on May 26, 2021 20:38:26 GMT
I hope they're new aliens in this game. I do love the old races. I hope to see some new ones. example the Yahg and raloi.
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Post by 14thcommander on May 26, 2021 21:02:17 GMT
What if, taking into consideration the trailer that was shown Liara looking for Shepard is some sort of prelude to the game?
Shepard manages to get herself back on her feet and uses a Reaper ship to fly out and track the Normandy after the final battle on Earth. But something happens, she crashes on a frozen planet and there are no coms there. Liara looks for Shepard because we all know she wouldn't stop until she found her. The game would then switch between you investigating the clues Shepard left behind as Liara, and Shepard roughing it out and trying to get a signal out to the Normandy, or anyone.
Whether they will continue with the OGs or not, I think that would be a dope way to start the game.
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Post by Iakus on May 26, 2021 21:15:01 GMT
What if, taking into consideration the trailer that was shown Liara looking for Shepard is some sort of prelude to the game? Shepard manages to get herself back on her feet and uses a Reaper ship to fly out and track the Normandy after the final battle on Earth. But something happens, she crashes on a frozen planet and there are no coms there. Liara looks for Shepard because we all know she wouldn't stop until she found her. The game would then switch between you investigating the clues Shepard left behind as Liara, and Shepard roughing it out and trying to get a signal out to the Normandy, or anyone. Whether they will continue with the OGs or not, I think that would be a dope way to start the game. I think Bioware is done with Shepard. Regardless of the dumpster fire we were left concerning his or her fate. My guess is the piece of N7 armor was "symbolic" or some nonsense like that, and Liara will be dealing with an entirely new crew.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 26, 2021 21:17:39 GMT
What if, taking into consideration the trailer that was shown Liara looking for Shepard is some sort of prelude to the game? Shepard manages to get herself back on her feet and uses a Reaper ship to fly out and track the Normandy after the final battle on Earth. But something happens, she crashes on a frozen planet and there are no coms there. Liara looks for Shepard because we all know she wouldn't stop until she found her. The game would then switch between you investigating the clues Shepard left behind as Liara, and Shepard roughing it out and trying to get a signal out to the Normandy, or anyone. Whether they will continue with the OGs or not, I think that would be a dope way to start the game. I think Bioware is done with Shepard. Regardless of the dumpster fire we were left concerning his or her fate. My guess is the piece of N7 armor was "symbolic" or some nonsense like that, and Liara will be dealing with an entirely new crew. To be honest, I think it's best to take everything in that trailer, even Liara, as just symbolic instead of being evidence of certain characters or things being in the upcoming game.
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Post by Iakus on May 26, 2021 21:19:18 GMT
I think Bioware is done with Shepard. Regardless of the dumpster fire we were left concerning his or her fate. My guess is the piece of N7 armor was "symbolic" or some nonsense like that, and Liara will be dealing with an entirely new crew. To be honest, I think it's best to take everything in that trailer, even Liara, as just symbolic instead of being evidence of certain characters or things being in the upcoming game. I do think that if they went through the trouble to put Liara in a cinematic teaser, they will put her in the game in some capacity. Even if it may be just a cameo
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Post by 14thcommander on May 26, 2021 21:21:24 GMT
That may be! But we can't forget that Liara is arguably a favorite of theirs and she can live for 1000 years. I think it wouldn't be too far-fetched to think that she would be in it, even if Shepard isn't. I'd love to play as Shepard again of course, but as I was telling Reed this morning, I feel like I would be fine with memories or flashbacks to her or him living well after all they did for the galaxy if they're doing an entirely new crew. I feel like we need that closure. I get the breath scene is enough for some and it is for me, but that trailer makes me wonder what was really Shepard's canon fate.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 26, 2021 21:23:03 GMT
To be honest, I think it's best to take everything in that trailer, even Liara, as just symbolic instead of being evidence of certain characters or things being in the upcoming game. I do think that if they went through the trouble to put Liara in a cinematic teaser, they will put her in the game in some capacity. Even if it may be just a cameo Perhaps, but I don't think anyone should be thinking she's going to be a major character or anything like that. She is just the most iconic ME character that can't be customized (or be used as evidence of them being protag again) so her picking up the symol of the franchise from ice and looking at it caringly just seems very "We're bringing Mass Effect back and it's going to get love and attention" or something.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 26, 2021 21:24:16 GMT
That may be! But we can't forget that Liara is arguably a favorite of theirs and she can live for 1000 years. I think it wouldn't be too far-fetched to think that she would be in it, even if Shepard isn't. I'd love to play as Shepard again of course, but as I was telling Reed this morning, I feel like I would be fine with memories or flashbacks to her or him living well after all they did for the galaxy if they're doing an entirely new crew. I feel like we need that closure. I get the breath scene is enough for some and it is for me, but that trailer makes me wonder what was really Shepard's canon fate. What would the players who chose Control or Synthesis get in exchange, since their Shepards are dead? Also I hate forced epilogue stuff like that, since that ruins so many people's headcanons and limits it to just one thing. Like how many people didn't like Hawke going back to Kirkwall and helping Varric.
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Post by wright1978 on May 26, 2021 21:33:11 GMT
That may be! But we can't forget that Liara is arguably a favorite of theirs and she can live for 1000 years. I think it wouldn't be too far-fetched to think that she would be in it, even if Shepard isn't. I'd love to play as Shepard again of course, but as I was telling Reed this morning, I feel like I would be fine with memories or flashbacks to her or him living well after all they did for the galaxy if they're doing an entirely new crew. I feel like we need that closure. I get the breath scene is enough for some and it is for me, but that trailer makes me wonder what was really Shepard's canon fate. Well i’m Still annoyed and their refusal to offer anything regards it in the EC. That said I really hate the notion of flashbacks/canonizing shep. That in no way would represent my shep and their choices. Personally I just hope they jump so far forward shep is a distant memory to most.
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Post by Iakus on May 26, 2021 21:37:43 GMT
That may be! But we can't forget that Liara is arguably a favorite of theirs and she can live for 1000 years. I think it wouldn't be too far-fetched to think that she would be in it, even if Shepard isn't. I'd love to play as Shepard again of course, but as I was telling Reed this morning, I feel like I would be fine with memories or flashbacks to her or him living well after all they did for the galaxy if they're doing an entirely new crew. I feel like we need that closure. I get the breath scene is enough for some and it is for me, but that trailer makes me wonder what was really Shepard's canon fate. What would the players who chose Control or Synthesis get in exchange, since their Shepards are dead? Also I hate forced epilogue stuff like that, since that ruins so many people's headcanons and limits it to just one thing. Like how many people didn't like Hawke going back to Kirkwall and helping Varric. Even though I picked Destroy the one time I played an unmodded ending, I wouldn't want my Shepard around after doing something like that. To me the endings taint Shepard irrevocably. As for Hawke, I couldn't really come up with a reason why my Hawke would stay in Kirkwall post All That Remains. So I guess the entire third act of DA2 was "forced epilogue" for me
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Post by KaiserShep on May 27, 2021 2:18:54 GMT
What would the players who chose Control or Synthesis get in exchange, since their Shepards are dead? Also I hate forced epilogue stuff like that, since that ruins so many people's headcanons and limits it to just one thing. Like how many people didn't like Hawke going back to Kirkwall and helping Varric. Even though I picked Destroy the one time I played an unmodded ending, I wouldn't want my Shepard around after doing something like that. To me the endings taint Shepard irrevocably. As for Hawke, I couldn't really come up with a reason why my Hawke would stay in Kirkwall post All That Remains. So I guess the entire third act of DA2 was "forced epilogue" for me Honestly, where else is there to go? Ferelden’s a dump, but at least Hawke has a friend in a high place running Kirkwall.
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Post by 14thcommander on May 27, 2021 2:45:07 GMT
That may be! But we can't forget that Liara is arguably a favorite of theirs and she can live for 1000 years. I think it wouldn't be too far-fetched to think that she would be in it, even if Shepard isn't. I'd love to play as Shepard again of course, but as I was telling Reed this morning, I feel like I would be fine with memories or flashbacks to her or him living well after all they did for the galaxy if they're doing an entirely new crew. I feel like we need that closure. I get the breath scene is enough for some and it is for me, but that trailer makes me wonder what was really Shepard's canon fate. Well i’m Still annoyed and their refusal to offer anything regards it in the EC. That said I really hate the notion of flashbacks/canonizing shep. That in no way would represent my shep and their choices. Personally I just hope they jump so far forward shep is a distant memory to most. I was thinking they could have different intros depending on what you chose, I don't know how hard that would be. Obviously, if Shep is alive it might affect things and I don't think there's a way they can really explain it for all 3 endings unfortunately. I think the 'canon' one would be the Destroy option.
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Post by azarhal on May 27, 2021 17:00:59 GMT
Well i’m Still annoyed and their refusal to offer anything regards it in the EC. That said I really hate the notion of flashbacks/canonizing shep. That in no way would represent my shep and their choices. Personally I just hope they jump so far forward shep is a distant memory to most. I was thinking they could have different intros depending on what you chose, I don't know how hard that would be. Obviously, if Shep is alive it might affect things and I don't think there's a way they can really explain it for all 3 endings unfortunately. I think the 'canon' one would be the Destroy option. Destroy/Control can be merged with just a ~100-150 timeskip (so living Shepard can die of old age). The difference will be what happened to the Reapers and how/when Shepard died. Minor enough to get small references, especially if Shepard send the Reapers away once the rebuilding is completed in Control. Synthesis is the PITA ending as it physically alters everyone despite the Catalyst saying it is not something that can be forced. I can see part of this ending retconned from what was shown in the slides to match what the Catalyst said. Then it wouldn't be that different from Control, just need a few synth looking people around instead of all of them.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 27, 2021 17:42:53 GMT
I was thinking they could have different intros depending on what you chose, I don't know how hard that would be. Obviously, if Shep is alive it might affect things and I don't think there's a way they can really explain it for all 3 endings unfortunately. I think the 'canon' one would be the Destroy option. Destroy/Control can be merged with just a ~100-150 timeskip (so living Shepard can die of old age). The difference will be what happened to the Reapers and how/when Shepard died. Minor enough to get small references, especially if Shepard send the Reapers away once the rebuilding is completed in Control. Synthesis is the PITA ending as it physically alters everyone despite the Catalyst saying it is not something that can be forced. I can see part of this ending retconned from what was shown in the slides to match what the Catalyst said. Then it wouldn't be that different from Control, just need a few synth looking people around instead of all of them. Have the green lines be metaphorical for the ending to show what happened for the player but never actually exist, or have the lines fade in time. Then have Control/Destroy futures have most of the species augment/synthesize themselves naturally. The real problem is the choices earlier in the game about what happened to various races.
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Post by Cyberstrike on May 27, 2021 18:18:19 GMT
Destroy/Control can be merged with just a ~100-150 timeskip (so living Shepard can die of old age). The difference will be what happened to the Reapers and how/when Shepard died. Minor enough to get small references, especially if Shepard send the Reapers away once the rebuilding is completed in Control. Synthesis is the PITA ending as it physically alters everyone despite the Catalyst saying it is not something that can be forced. I can see part of this ending retconned from what was shown in the slides to match what the Catalyst said. Then it wouldn't be that different from Control, just need a few synth looking people around instead of all of them. Have the green lines be metaphorical for the ending to show what happened for the player but never actually exist, or have the lines fade in time. Then have Control/Destroy futures have most of the species augment/synthesize themselves naturally. The real problem is the choices earlier in the game about what happened to various races.
Exactly!
Did you cure the genophage or not? Did you save or destroy the quarians on their homeworld? Did you save or destroy the geth on the quarian homeworld?
Right there are the fates of 3 popular races and factions that also have very popular characters tied to those decisions and they are decided LONG before the player gets to the endings to ME3 and would have to be accounted and would either force the story not to have the quarians, the krogan, and the geth in the game or come up with a way to hand wave away on what happened to the krogan, the quarians, and the geth for players who did or did not save them, regardless if BioWare decides to canonize any of endings or not.
That is why IMHO MEA2 would be a much better solution than trying to create multiple timelines showing the consequences of those actions that are decided BEFORE the endings to ME3.
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