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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 26, 2021 22:19:36 GMT
I remember a theory that the Reapers tried a different solution in each galaxy they reached to see which would work. In the Milky Way, it's the harvests. In Andromeda, all the races are preserved in a single mix that being the Kett. Discounting the fact that the Reapers would have to be policing the entire universe, ME3 already ruined them. Not to mention that the Catalyst claims that its final solution was the Cycle. This is its solution. Not a solution, the solution. Singular. Not to mention, the Leviathans didn't make the Catalyst, in an effort to create an AI that "experiments" with a solution to the AI problem, which could, theoretically, come up with a solution in killing all organics, as it does, but to work into finding the solution. That's why they needed an AI. It's a shit AI, that can't even adhere to Asimov's Laws of Robotics. Which Asimmov came up with in ... what was it? The 60s? Oh, the 40s. And the super intelligent Leviathans forgot. Anything that puts the Reapers outside the Milky Way, breaks the setting. In fact, that they even exist, ruins the setting, as is. ME could use a reboot, without the Reapers, at all. And no enemy of that caliber at all, to substitute them, or ever making an appearance.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Jun 26, 2021 22:21:32 GMT
That's an interesting idea Hanako Ikezawa that def could be explored. It's kinda funny to me also, because both the OT and MEA have this... religious undertone to them. Reapers are basically gods dictating life and death, even to the point of influencing the evolution of all species with the relays. Meanwhile the Kett comes across as cultists with everyone looking the same, lacking individuality, being devoted to a figure (the Archon)...
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Post by themikefest on Jun 26, 2021 22:30:25 GMT
I would say a reaper left the Milky Way to be on it's own to have a life away from harvesting organics. It travelled to Andromeda. It had a collision with an object that caused the reaper to fall into a planet disabling it. When the kett showed up, they studied the giant ship. Realizing it had technology they didn't have, they take the reaper back to their homeworld. Over time, they were indoctrinated. Archon leads a force to the Heleus cluster to exalt the angaran's.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jun 27, 2021 7:31:24 GMT
That's an interesting idea Hanako Ikezawa that def could be explored. It's kinda funny to me also, because both the OT and MEA have this... religious undertone to them. Reapers are basically gods dictating life and death, even to the point of influencing the evolution of all species with the relays. Meanwhile the Kett comes across as cultists with everyone looking the same, lacking individuality, being devoted to a figure (the Archon)... We are not sure to whom/what they are devoted to, The Archon is just a local ruler as far as I understood.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jun 27, 2021 13:28:15 GMT
I've seen Benjamin Wallfisch the composer for the nme teaser is following Michael Gamble. Could be the one who is gonna compose the soundtrack for the NME, and that will be awesome cause he did an amazing job with blade runner 2049 soundtrack, and i loved the music of the trailer.
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Post by skekSil on Jun 27, 2021 21:29:16 GMT
It's kinda funny in a way though, and bear with me if I'm misremembering the plot of MEA (haven't played it in years), but it's kinda funny that both the OG trilogy and MEA was about a race of species that were trying to "uplift" or "evolve" other species. The Reapers used the genetic materials of the races they conquered to make things like the Keepers or the Collectors, meanwhile the Kett also used some kind of genetical engineering to make other races into Kett. Is it just the story of the OG trilogy being retold again but in a different setting (kinda like how episode VII of Star Wars is basically a retelling of episode IV) or is there an actual connection between the Kett and the Reapers? Can't see how it would be possible, but who knows. Allow me to shamelessly plug my old thread here: JARDAAN KNEW ABOUT THE REAPERS, POSSIBLE PLOT FOR MEA2&3 AND SOME IMPLICATIONS FOR THE UNIVERSE
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 27, 2021 21:42:48 GMT
It's kinda funny in a way though, and bear with me if I'm misremembering the plot of MEA (haven't played it in years), but it's kinda funny that both the OG trilogy and MEA was about a race of species that were trying to "uplift" or "evolve" other species. The Reapers used the genetic materials of the races they conquered to make things like the Keepers or the Collectors, meanwhile the Kett also used some kind of genetical engineering to make other races into Kett. Is it just the story of the OG trilogy being retold again but in a different setting (kinda like how episode VII of Star Wars is basically a retelling of episode IV) or is there an actual connection between the Kett and the Reapers? Can't see how it would be possible, but who knows. Allow me to shamelessly plug my old thread here: JARDAAN KNEW ABOUT THE REAPERS, POSSIBLE PLOT FOR MEA2&3 AND SOME IMPLICATIONS FOR THE UNIVERSE That is creatively bankrupt.
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Post by skekSil on Jun 28, 2021 19:34:32 GMT
That is creatively bankrupt. Baseless statements are uniteresting.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 28, 2021 19:56:30 GMT
That is creatively bankrupt. Baseless statements are uniteresting. Recycling ideas, for a sequel to a rehash of ME1, done largely worse than the original, is not creatively bankrupt? It's like making a sequel to TFA, but worse. Oh ... right.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 28, 2021 21:06:01 GMT
Baseless statements are uniteresting. Recycling ideas, for a sequel to a rehash of ME1, done largely worse than the original, is not creatively bankrupt? It's like making a sequel to TFA, but worse. Oh ... right.
Ugh, after ME3, can you imagine how bad a "Last Jedi" Mass Effect game would have to be to compare?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 28, 2021 21:11:50 GMT
Recycling ideas, for a sequel to a rehash of ME1, done largely worse than the original, is not creatively bankrupt? It's like making a sequel to TFA, but worse. Oh ... right.
Ugh, after ME3, can you imagine how bad a "Last Jedi" Mass Effect game would have to be to compare? How do you even do it? Make Andromeda 2 a deconstruction of Ryder, where the Kett have fucked the entire Heleus Cluster to a single settlement and it all ends in 5 people leaving on a shuttle, while Ryder jobs like a bitch to the Kett? Oh man. That's a sequel to end the fucking franchise on. Ryder's mom? Just fucking died to space cancer. No treatment. Or the Kett stole her and assimilated her, a fate worse than death. Same to Ryder's twin. Or just got fucking butchered, lol. Oh, just beautiful. I'm making the chef's kiss hand gesture just thinking about it. Magnifique.
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Post by skekSil on Jun 28, 2021 21:29:04 GMT
Baseless statements are uniteresting. Recycling ideas, for a sequel to a rehash of ME1, done largely worse than the original, is not creatively bankrupt? It's like making a sequel to TFA, but worse. Oh ... right.
That thread isnt about a plot of a sequel to MEA though.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 28, 2021 21:32:25 GMT
Recycling ideas, for a sequel to a rehash of ME1, done largely worse than the original, is not creatively bankrupt? It's like making a sequel to TFA, but worse. Oh ... right.
That thread isnt about a plot of a sequel to MEA though. It's Mass Effect "5" speculation, isn't it? It could be anything.
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Post by skekSil on Jun 28, 2021 21:52:09 GMT
That thread isnt about a plot of a sequel to MEA though. It's Mass Effect "5" speculation, isn't it? It could be anything. I was responding to QuizzyBunny's post about connection between Kett and Reapers by linking to my old thread. But if you would like to know, I dont think that re-introducing Reapers in some capacity in MEA sequel is a 'creatively bankrupt' concept and I find your objection to it unconvincing.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 28, 2021 22:02:50 GMT
It's Mass Effect "5" speculation, isn't it? It could be anything. I was responding to QuizzyBunny's post about connection between Kett and Reapers by linking to my old thread. But if you would like to know, I dont think that re-introducing Reapers in some capacity in MEA sequel is a 'creatively bankrupt' concept and I find your objection to it unconvincing. The parallels run quite deep. ME:A in itself is a rehash of a lot of the beats of the trilogy, it's by no means original, even in the setting. And now you're bringing the Reapers over, which you've already destroyed, conceptually, not just physically, in ME3, for more rehashing of trilogy beats. It might be creative how you do it, but you have to make a case; where did the Reapers stop? How many galaxies do they police? Why stop to that many and not more? Why these ones? Why not the other ones? Why make exceptions? How do they manage to police all of them? Considering the universe is infinite and the number of galaxies is unfathomably high, how many Reapers are there? And if the Reaper numbers are that high, what does any of Shepard's actions accomplish? Effectively, nothing. Until the next wave of Reapers decide to check in on the Milky Way and they destroy it instead. Whether the Milky Way gets harvested today, or in another 200 years, is entirely superficial. The end is the same. Which is why you shouldn't make the Reapers an omnipresent force. It had direct repercussions to the franchise that further damage its credibility and plausibility. You can want them, you may think you can do something out of them, but it creates more questions that you can't answer in a convincing, probable way.
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Post by skekSil on Jun 28, 2021 22:29:04 GMT
, it's by no means original, even in the setting. yes, its because it is set in ME universe. but you have to make a case; where did the Reapers stop? How many galaxies do they police? Why stop to that many and not more? Why these ones? Why not the other ones? Why make exceptions? How do they manage to police all of them? Considering the universe is infinite and the number of galaxies is unfathomably high, how many Reapers are there? And if the Reaper numbers are that high, what does any of Shepard's actions accomplish? So, in other words you have to be creative. And if the Reaper numbers are that high, what does any of Shepard's actions accomplish? Effectively, nothing. Or maybe Sheppard killed all the Reapers in Red ending in all galaxies. Which is why you shouldn't make the Reapers an omnipresent force. It had direct repercussions to the franchise that further damage its credibility and plausibility. Tell that to ME1. They were created that way from the very begining. You can want them, you may think you can do something out of them, but it creates more questions that you can't answer in a convincing, probable way. Maybe you can and you just need some time and creativity to create a plausible answer. In fact I have already addressed some of your questions in that old thread, feel free to post there if you want to continue to discuss this concept in more detail, Ill be happy to respond.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 28, 2021 22:36:38 GMT
And we did it, two games ago. Or maybe Sheppard killed all the Reapers in Red ending in all galaxies. Then there's nothing left to find in Andromeda. Tell that to ME1. They were created that way from the very begining. They weren't omnipresent, throughout the universe. That wasn't the impression that was given and we had no reason to assume that. We knew that the Reapers did the harvest, then went to sleep in Deep Space and return in 50k years. Maybe you can and you just need some time and creativity to create a plausible answer. I don't want them answered. I don't even want them asked.
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Post by skekSil on Jun 28, 2021 22:55:27 GMT
Then there's nothing left to find in Andromeda. Reaper tech. Mass Effect relays could be quite useful. They weren't omnipresent, throughout the universe. That wasn't the impression that was given and we had no reason to assume that. We knew that the Reapers did the harvest, then went to sleep in Deep Space and return in 50k years. Nothing was told about Catalyst, Collectors or their ability to reach MW galaxy in two years either. Sovereighn wasnt a very talkative guy. I don't want them answered. I don't even want them asked. You already asked them. Fact is, Reapers CAN reach other galaxies with relative ease and there is nothing in their ideology to prevent them from traveling there.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 28, 2021 23:05:45 GMT
Reaper tech. Mass Effect relays could be quite useful. It's useless. The ODSY drive makes traveling between clusters inconsequential. Nothing was told about Catalyst, Collectors or their ability to reach MW galaxy in two years either. Sovereighn wasnt a very talkative guy Yeah. And it was all bad. You already asked them. Fact is, Reapers CAN reach other galaxies with relative ease and there is nothing in their ideology to prevent them from traveling there. I asked them, because your theory brings those questions up. I don't want them asked. The Reapers cannot police an entire universe. The logistics behind that are impossible to reconcile. The universe would have to be flooding with Reapers. You wouldn't be able to throw a stone and not hit one. It's like the Dr. Who retcon. That the Doctor is from a different universe and has unlimited regenerations. With a time traveling device at his disposal and infinite reincarnations of himself, the universe would, eventually, be overpopulated by different versions of himself, forever. So in every episode, there should be an infinite number of doctors going around, everywhere, at the same time, to the point of the universe being unable to contain all of them.
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Post by skekSil on Jun 28, 2021 23:30:01 GMT
It's useless. The ODSY drive makes traveling between clusters inconsequential. The ODSY drive is no faster than your usual mass effect drive from council races. Its benefit is supposedly the ability to travel for long periods of time without the need to discharge. It would take month to years for AI to get anywhere in Andromeda. I have mentioned that in my old thread too. Yeah. And it was all bad. Irrelevant. The Reapers cannot police an entire universe. The logistics behind that are impossible to reconcile. Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding.There is a realm of existence so far beyond your own you cannot even imagine it. Its not just a theory, as I said we know that Reaper can reach other galaxies and there is nothing, as far as I am aware of, that would prevent them from doing so. In fact their original task kinda urges them to go beyond Milky Way. So really, by setting a game in other in another galaxy we are forced to answer a question: Where are the Reapers? And at some point a new game must either reintroduce Reapers or explain their absence. Not doing this will be in my opinion a plot hole lore hole.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jun 28, 2021 23:48:26 GMT
skekSilPlease PLease Pleeeeeeeeease Do not make the Reapers into Universe Police force. The galaxies should not be the Fallout Vaults. It completely undermines everything we did in the trilogy. Unless we kill every single Reaper in the Destroy ending and that is made canon, otherwise, you've killed the franchise. That way, the Catalyst scene makes even less sense. Because there should be a galaxy, where the Starkid enforced synthesis, there is a galaxy that the starkid enforced control and one where the Reapers just don't visit, because destroy. Meaning that Shepard finding the starkid and activating the crucible is even more nonsense, because it's been done, by sheer amount of possibilities, per the available amount of galaxies present in the universe and if the cycle continues still, that means that those solutions failed, all of them. As the Cycle continues, in an effort to make the Cycle the more permanent solution. Meaning the Starkid doesn't know what the fuck he's doing when he's offering the choices, not that he did in the first place, but it sabotages everything. It breaks the trilogy.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 29, 2021 0:54:41 GMT
The Reapers could be limited to the Local Group (Milky Way, Andromeda, Triangulum, and the various dwarf galaxies). They just spend the 50,000 years going to those, so all are still together, while other galactic clusters are seen as too far to worry about.
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Post by Radec on Jun 29, 2021 9:21:55 GMT
Ugh, after ME3, can you imagine how bad a "Last Jedi" Mass Effect game would have to be to compare? How do you even do it? Make Andromeda 2 a deconstruction of Ryder, where the Kett have fucked the entire Heleus Cluster to a single settlement and it all ends in 5 people leaving on a shuttle, while Ryder jobs like a bitch to the Kett? Oh man. That's a sequel to end the fucking franchise on. Ryder's mom? Just fucking died to space cancer. No treatment. Or the Kett stole her and assimilated her, a fate worse than death. Same to Ryder's twin. Or just got fucking butchered, lol. Oh, just beautiful. I'm making the chef's kiss hand gesture just thinking about it. Magnifique.
>Ryder finds Shepard on some remote planet. He's a creepy old asshole who drinks dinosaur tit milk and abandoned all his crew from the MET to die for some really stupid reason (like, Garrus & Tali's kid is emo and joined Cerberus or some stupid shit) that's totally out of character. >Somebody makes a yo momma joke to the kett Primus. This is supposed to be funny. >They blow up Podromos even tho its already evacuated and they couldve shot the Nexus instead >They get in a big dumb slow chase with the Initiative ships where everyone forgets fighters and support ships exist for some reason. Addison gets blown out into space but now she has biotics so she's fine can totally survive vaccum and merry poppins herself back. >Liam and Peepee break the plot and leave the slow chase in a support ship, to go to a goofy casino planet. They free some horse donkeys but not the slave kids they also found. >Their dumb plan fails horribly because of course it does. Nearly everyone dies, except for Liam and Peepee unfortunately. >Hopeful music as the last 10 survivors from the Initiative putter away in a shuttle with seemingly no hope and no future. >Some kid we don't know or care about uses biotics to move a broom. FIN
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Jun 29, 2021 14:57:10 GMT
So, I rewatched the teaser for ME: Next and it got me thinking... we've kinda assumed that Liara is next to what remains of Shepard after they (assumingly) destroyed the Reapers (which would make sense because of the damaged relay, although that one could potentially just be a reference to Arrival). However, this would make a destruction low-EMS cannon, and I'm still not convinced that's what Bioware wants. So, what if Liara is actually only revisiting Alchera and the place she found Shepards body as a form of homage to her former comrade (potentially lover)? After all, the remains look pretty hollow from what can be seen in the trailer, and since this is one thing at least that happened to every Shepard it wouldn't break cannon (aside of course from Liara being alive when in a few instances she can be dead but that's another story).
What do you guys think? If this is true it would likely confirm Shepard not having any impact on the story other than mostly mentions (which I'd honestly like). I guess maaaaaybe it's also possible she's going back to get DNA to make another Shepard clone, but honestly that would feel kinda restrictive from a role-playing perspective.
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Post by skekSil on Jun 29, 2021 15:25:46 GMT
skekSilPlease PLease Pleeeeeeeeease Do not make the Reapers into Universe Police force. Sorry sirpetrakus But I am not Mac Walters
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