inherit
104
0
May 21, 2024 20:55:28 GMT
6,879
The Elder King
5,753
August 2016
theelderking
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Jade Empire
19631
|
Post by The Elder King on Jul 22, 2021 20:32:29 GMT
I said right before that sentence that people are going to end up disappointed when they'll realize only Liara is back. All I'm saying is that NME not being a straight sequel of MET doesn't mean it'd necessarily fail. Not being clear on the scope of the game, and expecially the protagonist, is definitely going to make it harder. I mean, a new protagonist is going to disappoint most likely the majority of people that is interested in ME, given that there are also people wanting Ryder to come back (even if I think the number is probably smaller). I agree it's not the reason why it's going to fail, but it will fail. It's going to fail because Bioware can't produce a good replacement and even as any new crew would be compared to the previous one unfavourably so, that even a good one would have a hard time, ME3 made it very difficult to move on, that the rejection of any new crew is a certainty, at this point. In addition to a complete lack of public trust in general, in the face of Bioware. Even the LE is bugged as hell, with bugs that existed in the previous games being ten times more prevalent now. It's a guarantee to satisfy no one. I understand your point, although even if it'll fail, it's impossible that nobody woud like it. It'd mean it'd be much worse then anything Bioware produced until now, and one of the worst game in history. I'm not in a big optmistic stage right now with Bioware, but I don't think it's impossible for them to make good games. It's something we'll have to disagree on. I'll simply wait and see, for both DA4 and NME, how the games will look, play and sound when they'll show them, before forming any conclusion. But I'm also one that believes that if DA4 fails in a spectacular fashion, that Bioware might not exist afterwards, so if you're right, we might not even get to see NME.
|
|
inherit
9459
0
Nov 24, 2021 20:18:46 GMT
5,622
SirSourpuss
7,694
Oct 16, 2017 16:19:07 GMT
October 2017
sirpetrakus
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, SWTOR
|
Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 22, 2021 20:49:55 GMT
I understand your point, although even if it'll fail, it's impossible that nobody woud like it. The point isn't that literally nobody will like it, it's just that it won't produce a viable following and will suffer the same fate as other similar recent Bioware titles. I'm not in a big optmistic stage right now with Bioware, but I don't think it's impossible for them to make good games I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying it unlikely. It's going to be another 7/10 game, which is OK, but it's not a game worth waiting 10 years for. Speaking for DA4 first and we'll see how Bioware does after that. But I'm also one that believes that if DA4 fails in a spectacular fashion, that Bioware might not exist afterwards, so if you're right, we might not even get to see NME. That is always a potential outcome. And it seems to me that, with so many overarching visions for DA4 switching every few years, this is another game they are just going to burn and just push out, in the hopes the next project fares better.
|
|
Iakus
N7
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 20,889 Likes: 49,361
inherit
402
0
Dec 21, 2018 17:35:11 GMT
49,361
Iakus
20,889
August 2016
iakus
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Iakus on Jul 22, 2021 20:55:00 GMT
I know. But it’s going to be hard to get the whole cast back. Aside issues due to scheduling and other works, a few might not want to come back. Even more so considering that in theory any conversations for a remake that would span at least 7-8 years of development, are going to be held after NME’s release. Even the public's investment in Will Continue is on thin ice, the moment they start seeing unfamiliar faces. Right now, I only expect to see Liara in WC. And that only because of the teaser. My big concerns would be: Shepard's legacy. Will we get more "The Shepard" nonsense? Will Liara keep talking about how awesome Shepard was. Will Shep be a hero or a villain in people's eyes? And what about the faceless torso? How the ending debacle (probably the biggest issue) is handled. How they'll handle such divergent and unpopular endings to ME3 and will they continue to lecture us on how these are "good" outcomes. New villain: Let's face it, the kett were not exactly inspiring as far as villains go. Will the next group be more interesting?
|
|
inherit
9459
0
Nov 24, 2021 20:18:46 GMT
5,622
SirSourpuss
7,694
Oct 16, 2017 16:19:07 GMT
October 2017
sirpetrakus
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, SWTOR
|
Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 22, 2021 21:00:53 GMT
Even the public's investment in Will Continue is on thin ice, the moment they start seeing unfamiliar faces. Right now, I only expect to see Liara in WC. And that only because of the teaser. My big concerns would be: Shepard's legacy. Will we get more "The Shepard" nonsense? Will Liara keep talking about how awesome Shepard was. Will Shep be a hero or a villain in people's eyes? And what about the faceless torso? How the ending debacle (probably the biggest issue) is handled. How they'll handle such divergent and unpopular endings to ME3 and will they continue to lecture us on how these are "good" outcomes. New villain: Let's face it, the kett were not exactly inspiring as far as villains go. Will the next group be more interesting? At this point, I'm i n the "bring them all back, or don't even mention them" territory. Just don't do it. If they ask Liara, she replies"I got amnesia". "Hit my head, forgot all about it". That sort of thing. Don't even allude to it. Nothing. Either make a sequel that's the very next day that Shepard wakes up, wounded, or act like things never even existed. Like Jar Jar did with The Force Awakens. Nobody knows or remembers anything and even Liara's got Asari Alzheimer, or whatever. Do or do not, there is no try.
|
|
Iakus
N7
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 20,889 Likes: 49,361
inherit
402
0
Dec 21, 2018 17:35:11 GMT
49,361
Iakus
20,889
August 2016
iakus
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Iakus on Jul 22, 2021 21:05:12 GMT
Right now, I only expect to see Liara in WC. And that only because of the teaser. My big concerns would be: Shepard's legacy. Will we get more "The Shepard" nonsense? Will Liara keep talking about how awesome Shepard was. Will Shep be a hero or a villain in people's eyes? And what about the faceless torso? How the ending debacle (probably the biggest issue) is handled. How they'll handle such divergent and unpopular endings to ME3 and will they continue to lecture us on how these are "good" outcomes. New villain: Let's face it, the kett were not exactly inspiring as far as villains go. Will the next group be more interesting? At this point, I'm i n the "bring them all back, or don't even mention them" territory. Just don't do it. If they ask Liara, she replies"I got amnesia". "Hit my head, forgot all about it". That sort of thing. Don't even allude to it. Nothing. Either make a sequel that's the very next day that Shepard wakes up, wounded, or act like things never even existed. Like Jar Jar did with The Force Awakens. Nobody knows or remembers anything and even Liara's got Asari Alzheimer, or whatever. Do or do not, there is no try. But really, what are the odds that Shepard really is returning? I mean, I for one think it's more likely the Inquisitor is returning in DA4.
|
|
inherit
9459
0
Nov 24, 2021 20:18:46 GMT
5,622
SirSourpuss
7,694
Oct 16, 2017 16:19:07 GMT
October 2017
sirpetrakus
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, SWTOR
|
Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 22, 2021 21:07:21 GMT
At this point, I'm i n the "bring them all back, or don't even mention them" territory. Just don't do it. If they ask Liara, she replies"I got amnesia". "Hit my head, forgot all about it". That sort of thing. Don't even allude to it. Nothing. Either make a sequel that's the very next day that Shepard wakes up, wounded, or act like things never even existed. Like Jar Jar did with The Force Awakens. Nobody knows or remembers anything and even Liara's got Asari Alzheimer, or whatever. Do or do not, there is no try. But really, what are the odds that Shepard really is returning? I mean, I for one think it's more likely the Inquisitor is returning in DA4. I don't think anyone is returning. And it's not like I care about DA, after DA2.
|
|
inherit
Scribbles
185
0
May 21, 2024 20:41:32 GMT
30,301
Hanako Ikezawa
22,392
August 2016
hanakoikezawa
|
Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 22, 2021 23:26:43 GMT
At this point, I'm i n the "bring them all back, or don't even mention them" territory. Just don't do it. If they ask Liara, she replies"I got amnesia". "Hit my head, forgot all about it". That sort of thing. Don't even allude to it. Nothing. Either make a sequel that's the very next day that Shepard wakes up, wounded, or act like things never even existed. Like Jar Jar did with The Force Awakens. Nobody knows or remembers anything and even Liara's got Asari Alzheimer, or whatever. Do or do not, there is no try. But really, what are the odds that Shepard really is returning? I mean, I for one think it's more likely the Inquisitor is returning in DA4. Hopefully as a protagonist. Not the bastardized version of themselves that will happen.
|
|
shotgunjulia
N2
Frustrated Golfer
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Posts: 129 Likes: 379
inherit
Frustrated Golfer
11988
0
Nov 18, 2023 22:09:24 GMT
379
shotgunjulia
129
June 2021
shotgunjulia
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
|
Post by shotgunjulia on Jul 23, 2021 2:43:46 GMT
You either die a hero, or live long enough to become the villain in the sequel.
|
|
inherit
1227
0
Member is Online
May 21, 2024 21:30:24 GMT
3,674
Phantom
2,661
August 2016
deathscepter
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, KOTOR, Jade Empire
|
Post by Phantom on Jul 23, 2021 6:48:16 GMT
You either die a hero, or live long enough to become the villain in the sequel. this is why we need the Cult of Shepard as the villains.
|
|
inherit
Scribbles
185
0
May 21, 2024 20:41:32 GMT
30,301
Hanako Ikezawa
22,392
August 2016
hanakoikezawa
|
Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 23, 2021 7:49:04 GMT
You either die a hero, or live long enough to become the villain in the sequel. In their case, not a villain. Just a walking insult and middle finger to a ton of players.
|
|
Iakus
N7
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 20,889 Likes: 49,361
inherit
402
0
Dec 21, 2018 17:35:11 GMT
49,361
Iakus
20,889
August 2016
iakus
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Iakus on Jul 23, 2021 19:50:36 GMT
You either die a hero, or live long enough to become the villain in the sequel. this is why we need the Cult of Shepard as the villains. Revanites
|
|
inherit
1227
0
Member is Online
May 21, 2024 21:30:24 GMT
3,674
Phantom
2,661
August 2016
deathscepter
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, KOTOR, Jade Empire
|
Post by Phantom on Jul 23, 2021 21:39:10 GMT
this is why we need the Cult of Shepard as the villains. Revanites They are a part of the inspiration for my idea of Cult of Shepard. Taking the fanboy ism to a psychotic level and they become willing servants of Reapers with the Reapers promising of truly resurrecting Shepard bring peace to the galaxy
|
|
inherit
2147
0
May 16, 2024 18:55:15 GMT
2,728
Gwydden
1,269
November 2016
gwydden
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire
|
Post by Gwydden on Jul 25, 2021 19:53:12 GMT
Truth be told, I'm more intrigued by whatever the Bioware expats at Archetype Entertainment are cooking up than by another ME game. Not because the former is at all guaranteed to be good, but because at least they're doing something new instead of milking a popular franchise for all it's worth.
|
|
inherit
9459
0
Nov 24, 2021 20:18:46 GMT
5,622
SirSourpuss
7,694
Oct 16, 2017 16:19:07 GMT
October 2017
sirpetrakus
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, SWTOR
|
Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 25, 2021 20:26:49 GMT
Truth be told, I'm more intrigued by whatever the Bioware expats at Archetype Entertainment are cooking up than by another ME game. Not because the former is at all guaranteed to be good, but because at least they're doing something new instead of milking a popular franchise for all it's worth. By all means, milk it. And mild me, while you're at it. Bend me over the fucking bench and give it to me, fuck. But not the with the rusty cactus that you peed on, Bioware.
|
|
Spectr61
N3
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem
Origin: Spectr61
Posts: 803 Likes: 1,240
inherit
41
0
May 20, 2024 19:39:50 GMT
1,240
Spectr61
803
August 2016
spectr61
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem
Spectr61
|
Post by Spectr61 on Jul 26, 2021 17:56:27 GMT
You either die a hero, or live long enough to become the villain in the sequel. This. Sums up nicely why I am a Refuse-nik.
|
|
Greysen
N1
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age Inquisition, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 7 Likes: 8
inherit
11733
0
8
Greysen
7
December 2020
greysen
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age Inquisition, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Greysen on Jul 26, 2021 20:39:49 GMT
I think whatever they do, assuming Shepard is gone for the new game, they should allow us to recreate out Shepard image and have a memorial statue of him/her placed in a few key locations. Like if the citadel survived, there had better be one there. Any major hub should have a Shepard memorial. Now, if Shepard is somehow alive, I still think there should be memorials everywhere. Damn galaxy owes Shepard at least that much.
I think if they only go 100 years in the future, when many repairs could have already happened, then we could return to a mostly healed galaxy. We could also reconnect with our main squaddies as most of them might still be alive given how long the races live (150 years for quarians and turians). It could be possible that they went back and found Shepard and pulled some high level cerberus type resurrection shit to rebuild his/her body which also allowed him/her to live decades longer due to scientific advances and now he/she is older and an admiral. Frankly, I would love if we created our own backstory for Shepard that could be inserted into the game. I would love if our new admiral like Hackett was Shepard. And with the romance of our choice. I feel like that would satisfy so many gamers. And it would be especially great if we could change it from game to game and see a bunch of versions of Shepard. Have cool interactions with him/her. Yes, destroy would have to become cannon but it sounds like they might be going in that direction. Or they could leave it open ended and if you chose destroy you get Admiral Shepard, but if not you get some other admiral.
I've always said they could make any ending work. For destroy, things are repaired and back to normal. For synthesis they could say that over many decades synthesis didn't work or take, that it was ultimately rejected by everyone's physical bodies or that the changes were not ultimately that drastic. In fact, they could make it so that if synthesis was chosen and ultimately didn't even make large changes or last long, the reapers left or destroyed themselves after realizing that their ideal solution still didn't work. For control, the reapers are gone and nothing more needs to be said. Every ending has a workable scenario the only difference being if the geth and edi are alive or not. Even then, upon realizing their mistakes if you created peace with the geth, the quarians might have decided to build them again though likely not. I think the geth might be the one issue that would be tricky to handle.
|
|
shotgunjulia
N2
Frustrated Golfer
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Posts: 129 Likes: 379
inherit
Frustrated Golfer
11988
0
Nov 18, 2023 22:09:24 GMT
379
shotgunjulia
129
June 2021
shotgunjulia
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
|
Post by shotgunjulia on Jul 26, 2021 21:56:54 GMT
They could canonize Refuse and still have Liara and the Normandy around. One ship can get lost out there. Perhaps with the knowledge they had from Vigil, the fact that the Council publicly blew off Shepard, they did prepare for Continuity of Civilization. Perhaps there were underground bunkers on colony worlds with stasis pods this time with sufficient power to last 600 to 800 years and the location of these bunkers were wiped from the Citadel records. Liara has been planting Archives for the next cycle. The Normandy crew goes old and dies. Liara and EDI are the only ones left. Perhaps she has a daughter with one of the crew or from that problematic final meld with Shepard to help out. Perhaps some of the crew have kids and they can only keep a skeleton crew to run the ship. EDI's robot body can help make any repairs, too, so there's that. Food? There's landing on uninhabited worlds and hunting.
Would the Krogan be around? Don't know. Would the Quarians or Geth be around? Don't know.
After 800 years or so our Shadow Broker would know where all the bunkers are. The reapers have returned to dark space. She's a matriarch now, and she can begin waking up the bunkers.
Now you don't have to worry about which ending you picked. Syntheis, Control, or Destroy are irrelevant. The reapers won't be around for another 50,000 years. Who is the big bad? Leviathans who still stupidly believe the Intelligence serves a purpose.
|
|
inherit
9459
0
Nov 24, 2021 20:18:46 GMT
5,622
SirSourpuss
7,694
Oct 16, 2017 16:19:07 GMT
October 2017
sirpetrakus
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, SWTOR
|
Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 26, 2021 22:01:39 GMT
They could canonize Refuse and still have Liara and the Normandy around. One ship can get lost out there. Perhaps with the knowledge they had from Vigil, the fact that the Council publicly blew off Shepard, they did prepare for Continuity of Civilization. Perhaps there were underground bunkers on colony worlds with stasis pods this time with sufficient power to last 600 to 800 years and the location of these bunkers were wiped from the Citadel records. Liara has been planting Archives for the next cycle. The Normandy crew goes old and dies. Liara and EDI are the only ones left. Perhaps she has a daughter with one of the crew or from that problematic final meld with Shepard to help out. Perhaps some of the crew have kids and they can only keep a skeleton crew to run the ship. EDI's robot body can help make any repairs, too, so there's that. Food? There's landing on uninhabited worlds and hunting. Would the Krogan be around? Don't know. Would the Quarians or Geth be around? Don't know. After 800 years or so our Shadow Broker would know where all the bunkers are. The reapers have returned to dark space. She's a matriarch now, and she can begin waking up the bunkers. Now you don't have to worry about which ending you picked. Syntheis, Control, or Destroy are irrelevant. The reapers won't be around for another 50,000 years. Who is the big bad? Leviathans who still stupidly believe the Intelligence serves a purpose. You still have to exclude the other endings. From that point on, which ending continues the story is irrelevant. Personally, I'd do it a la ME3, with only a living Shepard from the previous game.
|
|
shotgunjulia
N2
Frustrated Golfer
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Posts: 129 Likes: 379
inherit
Frustrated Golfer
11988
0
Nov 18, 2023 22:09:24 GMT
379
shotgunjulia
129
June 2021
shotgunjulia
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
|
Post by shotgunjulia on Jul 26, 2021 22:52:26 GMT
Yes you would have to exclude the other endings. That's the whole point. Get rid of pick your favorite color. It's not like there isn't a precedent for canonizing the worst outcome. If you didn't play ME1, in ME2, the Council is dead, you have an all human council with Udina in charge. If you didn't play ME2, you get the second Council and the worst outcomes from ME2 as the default.
With Shepard? The only way to do it is to have the Crucible not work. Well in the Refuse ending, Liara says "the Crucible didn't work." The only way you could do it would be to start the game with a cutscene and have Shepard call Joker and tell him "This damn thing isn't working. Can you get a shuttle over?" James takes the second shuttle over for pickup. That's the only way to have Shepard in the game. But Shepard in stasis on the ship for 800 years? I don't think that would happen.
|
|
inherit
♨ Retired
24
0
May 21, 2024 11:49:55 GMT
24,310
themikefest
14,836
August 2016
themikefest
21,655
15,426
|
Post by themikefest on Jul 27, 2021 0:12:03 GMT
They could canonize Refuse and still have Liara and the Normandy around. One ship can get lost out there. Perhaps with the knowledge they had from Vigil, the fact that the Council publicly blew off Shepard, they did prepare for Continuity of Civilization. Perhaps there were underground bunkers on colony worlds with stasis pods this time with sufficient power to last 600 to 800 years and the location of these bunkers were wiped from the Citadel records. Liara has been planting Archives for the next cycle. The Normandy crew goes old and dies. Liara and EDI are the only ones left. Perhaps she has a daughter with one of the crew or from that problematic final meld with Shepard to help out. Perhaps some of the crew have kids and they can only keep a skeleton crew to run the ship. EDI's robot body can help make any repairs, too, so there's that. Food? There's landing on uninhabited worlds and hunting. Would the Krogan be around? Don't know. Would the Quarians or Geth be around? Don't know. After 800 years or so our Shadow Broker would know where all the bunkers are. The reapers have returned to dark space. She's a matriarch now, and she can begin waking up the bunkers. Now you don't have to worry about which ending you picked. Syntheis, Control, or Destroy are irrelevant. The reapers won't be around for another 50,000 years. Who is the big bad? Leviathans who still stupidly believe the Intelligence serves a purpose. You do realize Shepard can refuse to use the crucible regardless of ems. Meaning t'soni can be dead with Shepard and others alive depending on what was done in the playthrough. I've mentioned before refuse could work, I just not sure what the story would be. After Commander dumba** doesn't use the crucible, a shuttle flies by to pick him/her up. Back on the SR2, dumba** comes up with some Mickey Mouse excuse why the crucible wouldn't work when talking with holo-Hackett. Hackett tells dumba** to head to Ilos. The Alliance and council secretly were getting the area prepared in case the reapers weren't defeated. Once there, dumba**, squad, and crew are put in stasis to be awaken whenever. Once awake, dumba** travels around seeing what the homeworlds look like. While doing that, all the others that were in stasis, build the crucible believing they'll have more time to figure out why it didn't work the first time. Yes you would have to exclude the other endings. That's the whole point. Get rid of pick your favorite color. It's not like there isn't a precedent for canonizing the worst outcome. If you didn't play ME1, in ME2, the Council is dead, you have an all human council with Udina in charge. If you didn't play ME2, you get the second Council and the worst outcomes from ME2 as the default. With Shepard? The only way to do it is to have the Crucible not work. Well in the Refuse ending, Liara says "the Crucible didn't work." The only way you could do it would be to start the game with a cutscene and have Shepard call Joker and tell him "This damn thing isn't working. Can you get a shuttle over?" James takes the second shuttle over for pickup. That's the only way to have Shepard in the game. But Shepard in stasis on the ship for 800 years? I don't think that would happen. The crucible didn't work? Since it was used in the next cycle, did thing tell whoever that an organic refused to use it? If not, why? If it did, did the story teller tell that to the little one? One way to have Shepard in another game is go with Hackett's ending.
|
|
fortlowe
N1
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Mass Effect Andromeda
XBL Gamertag: fortlowe
Posts: 28 Likes: 35
inherit
312
0
35
fortlowe
28
August 2016
fortlowe
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Mass Effect Andromeda
fortlowe
|
Post by fortlowe on Jul 27, 2021 3:04:53 GMT
I think all of the endings (except for refuse) are viable for the NME. The reason is because the Milky Way is REALLY big. Let me explain.
The Reapers are a big deal...but the Milky Way is a LOT bigger
The accepted notion that the Reapers had complete knowledge of and, more to the point, minute and comprehensive control over the entire Milky Way just doesn't hold up. If that were the case the Cycle is pointless. Given their quasi benevolent intent, wiping out most of sentient life because it might create something (A.I.) that might destroy said sentient life is obviously an over correction. It's like culling a child because they learn how to make fire. Fire is dangerous, and a child has precious little use for making it themselves, but as they grow, it becomes a useful and fundamental part of their life. Better to instruct the child about it's dangers AND it's benefits, keep the resources to make fire out of the child's reach, monitor the child actions, and mitigate the blaze if or when they make the fire anyway.
Given the scale (yep, Kardashev stuff) a species that had the ability to exert complete control over the ENTIRE Milky Way, even only temporarily, must operate on, very little that could happen in the galaxy would be beyond that species control. A species like that can at least move whole star systems, if not just plainly make them from scratch. So, that paternal (as opposed to genocidal) perspective and reach of the Reapers regarding limiting organic life's access to artificial intelligence would certainly be well within the abilities of a species that had complete knowledge and comprehensive logistical coverage (even if not control) of the entire Milky Way.
Unless they didn't have that kind of reach.
Given that the Reapers rely on technology that is based on terrestrial resource gathering (ie harvesting planets, asteroids, comets, etc., and not harvesting stellar masses like stars, pulsars, black holes, etc.) they are still a type 2 (review the Kadashev scale) species like all the rest of the Mass Effect species, even if they are closer to type 3 than the rest. The type of civilization that could explore, catalogue, account for, and devise preparations in the millions of years for EVERY star system in the Milky Way (as it is assumed the Reapers did) COULD NOT POSSIBLY exclusively or even partially rely on terrestrial resource gathering. At the very least, they would need to be able to take stars and make whatever they wanted from them, be it energy or resource to operate on such a scale.
More likely the Reapers had dominant influence over a relatively very small slice of the galaxy (2-3% {which is relatively small given the erroneous assumptions about the Reapers holdings, but still an ENORMOUS amount of territory}) that, for the most part, they inherited from their creators and marginally expanded on. Such being the case, the Reapers, as a still newly emerged type 2 species, are operating on the very edge of their capabilities to maintain a viable energy and resource reservoir, monitor their charges (the civilizations they are watching), initiate and complete the Cycle, then prepare to repeat the process without a net energy loss.
The only portions of the Milky Way the rest of the Mass Effect civilizations can account for are what is accessible by Relay. The Reapers built the Relay network. That network is limited by the Reapers both intentionally, to corral the sentient life in their territory, and unintentionally, because their terrestrially gathered resources allow them only so much territory.
Thus the Reapers relay network likely covers a very small portion of the Milky Way.
What does that have to do with the endings?
Accepting that the Milky Way is much bigger than the Reapers would have the Relay civilizations believe, then there are a lot of places left to go in the galaxy. Many times over more space to explore than all of Relay space combined. Space filled with nebula and stars and worlds the Reapers couldn't even detect, let alone account for. Space that could be littered with life.
And Shepard lit the mother of all signal fires to the rest of the galaxy regardless of what choice they made. Destroy, Control, and Synthesis, all send out the greatest artificial interstellar signal that ever originated from relay space. Now any species type 1 or above outside of the Reaper Relay network has a pretty reliable map of the Relay Civilization if they didn't before.
The best part is, the Relay Civilizations probably won't understand any of this until that signal bounces back. Essentially, the Relay Civilization has shouted their position and possibly their status out to a dark forest that inevitably contains friends and foes that were previously unaware of their presence. When the signal bounces back to the Relay Civilizations, which would be hundreds of years later at the least, the Relay Civilization will finally get a better grasp of the enormity of the 'undiscovered' Milky Way, because that return signal will give them a map of a lot they didn't know about. However, by that time, there could be someone from extra relay network space on the way. Maybe more than a few someones.
Yeah, but what about the crew?
The endings have influence going forward, but really, not a lot of impact. More to do with scenery than narrative. Regardless of what choice Shepard makes, the overall status quo for the Relay Network Civilization will have returned after a few centuries.
Choosing destroy wipes out all AI, but Quarians and all of the Council races are very well versed in AI research already. Even if they take action to curb the development of AI, well now there's Reaper AI tech beyond anything previously available littered all over the relay network and well within reach of any brave and enterprising scientist, tinkerer, or corporation.
Taking control of the Reapers has a calming affect initially, but ultimately, this leads all the council races to the conclusion that the best way to move forward is to exhaustively study the Reapers. Overlord Shepard will likely allow the study, closely monitoring it to confirm all species are given equal access. The alternatives would be either refusing to allow the study, sparking a new conflict between the Citadel Races and The Shepard Reaper fleet, or Shepard would order the fleet to dark space never to return to prevent the Citadel races from coming into conflict with each other or worst the fleet.
Synthesizing, organically especially, would last a little more than a single generation. Animals just can't pass on circuits. So maybe ma and pa have an overly fond affection for the toaster but junior probably won't. The AI may attempt to replicate their organic connection, but eventually the law of diminishing return will win out. No more toasters that want to make sure the toast is just the way you like it even if they know how after a couple generations.
Regardless, everyone in the Relay network civilization ends up in a place where both organics and AI must respect each others right to live. Even if they don't agree on how the toast should turn out.
I should go.
So centuries have passed. At this point, whether you chose to Destroy, Control, or Synthesize, almost everyone from the trilogy has passed away. The ones who haven't, have lived though all the consequence of any of those decisions many times over and largely by then are living beyond that decision. And now the Milky Way just got a whole lot bigger. Enter the Dashing Commander Fortlowe....
|
|
inherit
8553
0
Apr 14, 2024 10:15:43 GMT
2,591
N7Pathfinder
1,481
May 2017
n3pathfinder
|
Post by N7Pathfinder on Jul 28, 2021 21:36:03 GMT
Found an article and it said about a leak for the nme. Take this with a grain of salt: On Reddit, a user with the nickname vakarianandtheshep shared a plot that is planned for Mass Effect: Next. There are no facts that could confirm or deny the words of this user, so this information should be treated with a grain of salt. Anyway, food for thought. Spoilers possible! So: The game will take place in about 600 years, in parallel with Mass Effect: Andromeda.
Shepard will not be in it, just a mention.
The protagonist can be both human and turian.
With Mass Effect: Legendary Edition, you can import saves into a new ME.
In Mass Effect 5, the canon ending will be “red”.
Whichever ending you choose in Mass Effect: Legendary Edition in Mass Effect 5, it will change to red.
If in Mass Effect 3 Shepard survives with the red ending (with max readiness points), then in the new game it will be possible to find notes about his life after the trilogy finale.
In the new ME, Wrex, Grunt, Liara may appear (was in the trailer).
The plot is based on the aftermath of the war with the reapers, namely, problems with repeaters, which have not properly restored their working capacity for 600 years.
In order to solve the problem with the repeaters, Liara has been looking for the body of the reaper – the Harbinger for a long time in order to restore the repeaters with the help of his technologies.
After the war with the Reapers, the Harbinger’s body disappeared and for 600 years Liara searched for him. Half of the game will be about finding the Harbinger’s body.
After finding the Harbinger’s body, the repeaters are restored and thanks to the use of Harbinger technologies, we will be able to quickly travel to Andromeda. (The hint was in the teaser)There's also this article that adds a little bit of more information: www.google.com/amp/s/games.24tv.ua/ru/seti-pojavilsja-vozmozhnyj-sjuzhet-prodolzhenija-poslednie-novosti_n1653982/amp
|
|
inherit
Scribbles
185
0
May 21, 2024 20:41:32 GMT
30,301
Hanako Ikezawa
22,392
August 2016
hanakoikezawa
|
Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 28, 2021 23:06:24 GMT
Completely fake. We already see Reaper tech repaired in relatively short order in the Destroy epilogue via the Citadel. Also they would have nothing to do with getting to Andromeda since Andromeda doesn't have Mass Relays and they need two to link together to work. Also has a lot of idiotic things, like half the game looking for Harbinger when we know he's on Earth, or only human and turian being options (if they did add alien options, guarantee the asari would be one too since it just used human skeleton). This comes off more as a wish list for someone who wants their choices made canon.
Also, I doubt at this point Bioware even has a solid plot in mind for the next game.
|
|
inherit
277
0
8,760
QuizzyBunny
No 1 Bunny-gif spammer on BSN
2,413
August 2016
theycallmebunny
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
InquisitorBunny
430
1114
|
Post by QuizzyBunny on Jul 29, 2021 0:46:14 GMT
I hope it's fake, not happy with the idea of spending three games to destroy the bastard only for Liara to forget everything we learned and YOLO a new Reaper into being. Also, why would be get to play a human and Turian specifically? Doesn't make sense.
|
|
inherit
9459
0
Nov 24, 2021 20:18:46 GMT
5,622
SirSourpuss
7,694
Oct 16, 2017 16:19:07 GMT
October 2017
sirpetrakus
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, SWTOR
|
Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 29, 2021 1:22:38 GMT
Found an article and it said about a leak for the nme. Take this with a grain of salt: On Reddit, a user with the nickname vakarianandtheshep shared a plot that is planned for Mass Effect: Next. There are no facts that could confirm or deny the words of this user, so this information should be treated with a grain of salt. Anyway, food for thought. Spoilers possible! So: The game will take place in about 600 years, in parallel with Mass Effect: Andromeda.
Shepard will not be in it, just a mention.
The protagonist can be both human and turian.
With Mass Effect: Legendary Edition, you can import saves into a new ME.
In Mass Effect 5, the canon ending will be “red”.
Whichever ending you choose in Mass Effect: Legendary Edition in Mass Effect 5, it will change to red.
If in Mass Effect 3 Shepard survives with the red ending (with max readiness points), then in the new game it will be possible to find notes about his life after the trilogy finale.
In the new ME, Wrex, Grunt, Liara may appear (was in the trailer).
The plot is based on the aftermath of the war with the reapers, namely, problems with repeaters, which have not properly restored their working capacity for 600 years.
In order to solve the problem with the repeaters, Liara has been looking for the body of the reaper – the Harbinger for a long time in order to restore the repeaters with the help of his technologies.
After the war with the Reapers, the Harbinger’s body disappeared and for 600 years Liara searched for him. Half of the game will be about finding the Harbinger’s body.
After finding the Harbinger’s body, the repeaters are restored and thanks to the use of Harbinger technologies, we will be able to quickly travel to Andromeda. (The hint was in the teaser)There's also this article that adds a little bit of more information: www.google.com/amp/s/games.24tv.ua/ru/seti-pojavilsja-vozmozhnyj-sjuzhet-prodolzhenija-poslednie-novosti_n1653982/ampHard pass.
|
|