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should i make another thread on Cerberus and possible ways of Bioware in making a more cohesive storyline with Cerberus?
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Post by burningcherry on Nov 3, 2018 21:51:16 GMT
Governments frequently are totally unaware of what is happening in their own government. One dude in a intelligence organization with a off book budget can be a foundation that Cerberus arose from in the alliance. This wasn't the case, TIM was never Alliance, he was merely a mercenary. Because Mac Walters wrote it, therefore it's canon. And it's not a book but a not-so-long comic, depicting TIM's early days from close perspective. it was correct they found TIM what we learn in ME1 is clearly wrong that is (Ctrl+F -> "Cerberus").
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Post by Garo on Nov 6, 2018 23:32:30 GMT
https://www.reddit.com/r/masseffect/comments/9upr11/tom_taylorson_confirms_there_is_no_work_being/
Reddit being a little bit dramatic as always. What do you guys think?
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Post by SwobyJ on Nov 7, 2018 21:52:20 GMT
https://www.reddit.com/r/masseffect/comments/9upr11/tom_taylorson_confirms_there_is_no_work_being/ Reddit being a little bit dramatic as always. What do you guys think? More than a little dramatic. As if an actor will know what's up for a potential game 2+ years from now.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 8, 2018 20:57:35 GMT
https://www.reddit.com/r/masseffect/comments/9upr11/tom_taylorson_confirms_there_is_no_work_being/ Reddit being a little bit dramatic as always. What do you guys think? My first question to Tom is why did you say that?
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Post by Serza on Nov 9, 2018 20:05:18 GMT
So scuttlebutt says there is a hint to the next game in the N7 Day video.
Now I have no idea which of the three-ish it might be.
There is the Normandy shown approaching the Citadel and "The worlds left to discover" (but Citadel is known to us) There is the Tempest going FTL over Meridian and "What the future holds" There is Hudson talking about "dreaming what the next ME game will be" and drinking from his I Should Go cup.
Citadel is already known to us, it wouldn't need a lot of discovering. On the other hand the entire premise of Andromeda was to discover a completely new galaxy, which would mean that the Normandy scene actually supports the follow up with the Tempest. Then there's Hudson. Who holds a cup with the phrase that is legendarily attributed to Cdr. Shepard.
I'll think on it...
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Post by natetrace on Nov 9, 2018 20:31:42 GMT
So scuttlebutt says there is a hint to the next game in the N7 Day video. Now I have no idea which of the three-ish it might be. There is the Normandy shown approaching the Citadel and "The worlds left to discover" (but Citadel is known to us) There is the Tempest going FTL over Meridian and "What the future holds" There is Hudson talking about "dreaming what the next ME game will be" and drinking from his I Should Go cup. Citadel is already known to us, it wouldn't need a lot of discovering. On the other hand the entire premise of Andromeda was to discover a completely new galaxy, which would mean that the Normandy scene actually supports the follow up with the Tempest. Then there's Hudson. Who holds a cup with the phrase that is legendarily attributed to Cdr. Shepard. I'll think on it... It is such a tease. The tempest part could mean we are returning to Andromeda... or it could just be a portion of video they used for that. The I should go mug? Potential more Shepard one day... or just a humorous nod? I think the obvious answer is that we will explore both galaxies in a giant mug that says I Should Go on the side.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Nov 9, 2018 20:49:11 GMT
So scuttlebutt says there is a hint to the next game in the N7 Day video. Err.. who? Where? WHAT?!
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Post by SwobyJ on Nov 9, 2018 20:52:42 GMT
Bridge between galaxies confirmed.
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Post by Serza on Nov 9, 2018 22:13:42 GMT
That's exactly the thing, guys.
I Should Go could be a humorous nod to the past.
Having a mug with Shepard's signature goodbye line during "dreaming what the next ME game might bring" could also mean that it's Shepard's time to go.
Basically, it talks about the future. Worlds to discover, Tempest going FTL as they say what there is in the future... And Shepard's signature goodbye line when "dreaming what the next Mass Effect might be" - all in all, I think Andromeda will get an entire trilogy.
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Post by SwobyJ on Nov 9, 2018 22:32:02 GMT
That's exactly the thing, guys. I Should Go could be a humorous nod to the past. Having a mug with Shepard's signature goodbye line during "dreaming what the next ME game might bring" could also mean that it's Shepard's time to go. Basically, it talks about the future. Worlds to discover, Tempest going FTL as they say what there is in the future... And Shepard's signature goodbye line when "dreaming what the next Mass Effect might be" - all in all, I think Andromeda will get an entire trilogy. I think we're at least essentially getting something of a MEA2. But I think one of the goals, or at least intended inevitabilities of the Ai itself in-universe is to get a way back to the Milky Way, so that's part of what I expect at some point. A next game may just include the return of old species and more of a relation to the trilogy than before (while expanding Andromedan stories significantly), including import from Mass Effect Archives, but something else will happen at some point. So when I see "I should go", while I also think too much into it like "Shepard's time to go", I also think things like "Shepard returns", right or wrongly. And with twisty writing, both could be true (I won't bet on it, but at least I see Bioware trying to straddle the two fanbases so far). I most think that he's just being witty and selling merch. My impression is that a 'fresh take' on Andromeda will ironically include more of the Milky Way into it, directly or not. That's not a fresh take on the series necessarily, but it would for Andromeda that only 'imported' Shepard's gender so far. But also whatever game we get that'd do this stuff, would partially be about getting a more full farewell and fleshed out Andromedan story that maybe ideally the production of MEA would have had (but I think ideally it would have included a lot of things, but had to be ready to ship). MEA successfully introduced players to Andromeda sure, but it didn't successfully sell enough players on it. So I can see part of that selling, to include enough Milky Way for people to let their guards down better and more easily accept the increasing new things coming their way. For example I believe the incoming lost ark is aware of the Reapers to an extent and left during the invasion at some point. So if the intention by the Ai or Ryder was to keep this a secret, fat chance of that now. Cue population desires to return to MW, search for travel tech, etc.
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Post by Serza on Nov 9, 2018 23:03:06 GMT
Just imagine post-Destroy, six-hundred-years-in-the-making technology and size of the Human and Turian fleets. The Kett would see that and nope the fuck out of anything...
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Just imagine post-Destroy, six-hundred-years-in-the-making technology and size of the Human and Turian fleets. The Kett would see that and nope the fuck out of anything... Haha yeah. Though my fantasy of MW post-ME3 is rather ruinous But still powerful in the end
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Post by zipzap2000 on Nov 13, 2018 5:57:41 GMT
Just imagine post-Destroy, six-hundred-years-in-the-making technology and size of the Human and Turian fleets. The Kett would see that and nope the fuck out of anything... Or fly in blindly and we get Niftu v Wasea the ship version.
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Post by Serza on Nov 13, 2018 6:45:18 GMT
Just imagine post-Destroy, six-hundred-years-in-the-making technology and size of the Human and Turian fleets. The Kett would see that and nope the fuck out of anything... Or fly in blindly and we get Niftu v Wasea the ship version.
Holy shit, Zip is alive! Or Zap. One of them. I dunno.
But getting Biotic God'd would suit the Kett very nicely...
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Post by quole on Nov 16, 2018 12:24:14 GMT
In a way you are not wrong because there was not much left to ruin after ME2. To me ME2 was miles better than ME1. I love all 3 but ME2 and 3 are imo the best. And you would be wrong. At least in the case of the writing, which to me was the most important part of an rpg. ME2's plot is almost non existent and any actual objective look at will show just how many inconsistencies there are in the writing. The game is completely pointless int he context of the trilogy too. I am not talking about the graphics or combat, I am talking about the writing and the writing in ME1 is objectively better.
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Post by griffith82 on Nov 16, 2018 12:53:55 GMT
To me ME2 was miles better than ME1. I love all 3 but ME2 and 3 are imo the best. And you would be wrong. At least in the case of the writing, which to me was the most important part of an rpg. ME2's plot is almost non existent and any actual objective look at will show just how many inconsistencies there are in the writing. The game is completely pointless int he context of the trilogy too. I am not talking about the graphics or combat, I am talking about the writing and the writing in ME1 is objectively better. In this case the quality is subjective as many agree with me that ME2 is better. Second an opinion is neither right nor wrong.
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Post by quole on Nov 16, 2018 13:00:28 GMT
In a way you are not wrong because there was not much left to ruin after ME2. Force whatever take you want onto what I've said. It's up to you. I don't think anything has been ruined at all. None of the games are Pullitzer quality literature. They're games. None of the games are real life either. They're original sci-fi fantasy written by a group of authors/game developers (that is, they weren't based on the work of another author like some other games are). We're consumers of their authoriship only, so even though we can interact with the game it will always be within whatever range the authors choose to put into it AND they chose to END the ME Trilogy with ME3. They aren't a disease, they are endings to a fictional story. That's all, nothing more.
As games, I've replayed all 4 of them several times. I've gotten far more than my money's worth in enjoyment out of each and every one of them. If they write more that appeals to me, I'll buy them. My only requirement is that they be SP since I simply cannot play online. It's as simple as that.
Lol you can like the games all you want but that does not make them good. For you to think that nothing was ruined in ME2 or ME3 suggests to me that you have not taken an objective look at those games. Me3's ending in particular prove that the writers had no idea what they were doing when writing the plot. And I don't care if it's an original ip or not, there is no excuse to handle the overarching plot of the trilogy that poorly. being a video game or being an original ip is no excuse for bad writing and Bioware has proven this because they made Kotor, DAO, ME1, etc. It being a fictional story is irrelevant. I get that you liked the games, and there are certainly things to like about them, but you are lying to yourself if you say that the writing is not inconsistent. You would also be lying to yourself if you said games are not capable of having consistent writing. I just don't get how you can make excuses for the terrible writing when bioware themselves have proven that they are capable (or at least were) of making games like kotor or ME1. DAO is one of my favorite games of all time and that's part of the reason why I am so harsh on Bioware because it seems like everything after that they just didnt care about, at least as far as the consistency of the writing goes. I don't care how many times you have replayed the games, that does not help your argument here at all, if anything it just makes you seem more biased. Here's something you probably didnt know; I used to be a huge Bioware fan. I beat ME2 more than 20 times in fact. It wasn't until I took an objective look at the game that I realized how bad a lot of the writing is. And it only got worse with DA2, ME3, etc. I wanted to like Bioware games but it just seemed like Bioware didnt care about writing a good plot anymore. They can usually write characters well, and if there's one underrated aspect of MEA it's the characters. I love the characters in the game, it's just unfortunate that the plot is so uninteresting (though it is more coherent than ME2's and less contrived than ME3's). My point here is there is nothing stopping Bioware from having good, consistent writing yet they just are not seemingly capable of it anymore. You can LIKE the games all you want, but to say that the writing is not inconsistent is simply wrong.
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Post by quole on Nov 16, 2018 13:02:53 GMT
And you would be wrong. At least in the case of the writing, which to me was the most important part of an rpg. ME2's plot is almost non existent and any actual objective look at will show just how many inconsistencies there are in the writing. The game is completely pointless int he context of the trilogy too. I am not talking about the graphics or combat, I am talking about the writing and the writing in ME1 is objectively better. In this case the quality is subjective as many agree with me that ME2 is better. Second an opinion is neither right nor wrong. Quality is not subjective. There are objective ways of looking at quality within a game. I will agree that ME2 exceeds ME1 in many areas. The graphics are good, the characters are well written and interesting, the voice acting is good, etc. However in plot itself and the storytelling of the plot, ME2 is a joke compared to ME1.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Nov 16, 2018 14:16:33 GMT
In this case the quality is subjective as many agree with me that ME2 is better. Second an opinion is neither right nor wrong. Quality is not subjective. There are objective ways of looking at quality within a game. I will agree that ME2 exceeds ME1 in many areas. The graphics are good, the characters are well written and interesting, the voice acting is good, etc. However in plot itself and the storytelling of the plot, ME2 is a joke compared to ME1. Yeah ... I think the graphics actually took a nosedive, as in 1st the "70's tape highlight burn" effect was gone, and in its place was too sharp, too dark and not enough bits in lighting process burning. I know they wanted it to be more edgy, but it would've been possible with the same system, not sacrificing gradient detail. *sigh* They fixed some of this with ME3 but its still too S-curved (contrast). I still think ME1 is the most amazing looking one, MEA is amazing too but its completely different. (I actually think xbox360's 10bit HDR was one reason ME1 looked like it did)
For the plot I agree, for me ME2 is the weakest of them all as a total. Its still okay game.
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Post by natetrace on Nov 16, 2018 19:21:15 GMT
To me Mass Effect 2 is the best, simply because it made me want to play through multiple times. Also I liked seeing a more personal side to the galaxy, which is where the real story is In 2. In 1 I had my Shepard and that was it. After 2 came out I created many more.
Also my wife is smarter than me, teaches English and I think will be trying to get her doctorate in the next few years...she's explained the intracies of getting a doctorate for this but I was half listening. Anyway, for all the talk about ME2 and DA2 falling apart under a microscope, she says both of them are the strongest from a writing standpoint... And also Andromeda is not bad either from a writing standpoint. ME3 she has issues with. Still likes it, just says it's the worst done out of the four ME games.
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Post by griffith82 on Nov 16, 2018 20:16:32 GMT
In this case the quality is subjective as many agree with me that ME2 is better. Second an opinion is neither right nor wrong. Quality is not subjective. There are objective ways of looking at quality within a game. I will agree that ME2 exceeds ME1 in many areas. The graphics are good, the characters are well written and interesting, the voice acting is good, etc. However in plot itself and the storytelling of the plot, ME2 is a joke compared to ME1. In your opinion. Yes some things are objectively good or bad, the whole of Ride to hell retribution for example. The story quality here is subjective. The only thing I will agree on is changing some plot elements. For the better imo.
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Post by SwobyJ on Nov 17, 2018 3:20:00 GMT
To me Mass Effect 2 is the best, simply because it made me want to play through multiple times. Also I liked seeing a more personal side to the galaxy, which is where the real story is In 2. In 1 I had my Shepard and that was it. After 2 came out I created many more. Also my wife is smarter than me, teaches English and I think will be trying to get her doctorate in the next few years...she's explained the intracies of getting a doctorate for this but I was half listening. Anyway, for all the talk about ME2 and DA2 falling apart under a microscope, she says both of them are the strongest from a writing standpoint... And also Andromeda is not bad either from a writing standpoint. ME3 she has issues with. Still likes it, just says it's the worst done out of the four ME games. My position: -ME1 still has the best put together setup and main story. Sure there's nostalgiagoggles on, and the early Citadel part still makes me (literally) fall asleep, but I otherwise still enjoy going through that. 8/10 -ME2 is the best single game, though its role in the trilogy is most suspect and the shine of it is fading to me. 9/10 -ME3 is my favorite. I used to tie ME2 and ME3 but I've finally decided that I most enjoy playing ME3. It's really bothersome issues aside. For the ending, it's a big ol shrug from me and a hope that some of my theories are right. A tainted game (as opposed to ME2's shine), but the taint is also fading to me and I expected this. 8.5/10 (but again, my personal fav) -MEA is playable as the newest title. That counts to me. And I don't consider it a bad game, but only fine or good. It will never be my favorite, but its the modern game for now and if it leads to something better, my disappointment about it will also fade. 7/10 I want a game that I can say finally surpasses ME1 in *all* ways, but I haven't seen that yet. Each ME2, ME3, and MEA all surpass in various ways. Give me a next game with a fantastic main story and this may finally happen.
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Post by natetrace on Nov 17, 2018 4:24:40 GMT
To me Mass Effect 2 is the best, simply because it made me want to play through multiple times. Also I liked seeing a more personal side to the galaxy, which is where the real story is In 2. In 1 I had my Shepard and that was it. After 2 came out I created many more. Also my wife is smarter than me, teaches English and I think will be trying to get her doctorate in the next few years...she's explained the intracies of getting a doctorate for this but I was half listening. Anyway, for all the talk about ME2 and DA2 falling apart under a microscope, she says both of them are the strongest from a writing standpoint... And also Andromeda is not bad either from a writing standpoint. ME3 she has issues with. Still likes it, just says it's the worst done out of the four ME games. My position: -ME1 still has the best put together setup and main story. Sure there's nostalgiagoggles on, and the early Citadel part still makes me (literally) fall asleep, but I otherwise still enjoy going through that. 8/10 -ME2 is the best single game, though its role in the trilogy is most suspect and the shine of it is fading to me. 9/10 -ME3 is my favorite. I used to tie ME2 and ME3 but I've finally decided that I most enjoy playing ME3. It's really bothersome issues aside. For the ending, it's a big ol shrug from me and a hope that some of my theories are right. A tainted game (as opposed to ME2's shine), but the taint is also fading to me and I expected this. 8.5/10 (but again, my personal fav) -MEA is playable as the newest title. That counts to me. And I don't consider it a bad game, but only fine or good. It will never be my favorite, but its the modern game for now and if it leads to something better, my disappointment about it will also fade. 7/10 I want a game that I can say finally surpasses ME1 in *all* ways, but I haven't seen that yet. Each ME2, ME3, and MEA all surpass in various ways. Give me a next game with a fantastic main story and this may finally happen. I think Andromeda was closer to a more expansive 1, but it still isn't quite there. They had the right mixture with MEA, just have to make it come together a bit better this time. I think what people would like to see is many more planets, not all necessary to do though, that add depth and are bigger than the explore regions in 1. Also I think heavy weapons should come back. I want to carry a nuke on my back again. But yes! Exploration! Discovery! Not nuking it all!
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 17, 2018 5:36:13 GMT
Sorry, but the Trilogy endings are not a disease. They are merely a selection of ENDINGS to a fictional game story... and that's the key... they were always intended to be ENDINGS to that story. Shepard's story was always intended to END with Mass Effect 3. The story was a Trilogy and the Trilogy ENDED. Diseases affect the living not the ENDED. In a way you are not wrong because there was not much left to ruin after ME2. It's because ME2 plot did not make any sense and has a lot of plotholes.
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