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Post by wright1978 on Mar 13, 2019 17:25:21 GMT
Something occurred to me earlier today while I inexplicably wasted more thoughts on this debacle of a game. A bit of a conspiracy theory, but when I thought it a light bulb went off and it feels so right, tell me what you think: What would Anthem look like if development had started and carried on quite a long ways as a single player RPG, with a multiplayer MODE a la ME3MP, DAMP, and MEAMP? One where loot was given out in lootboxes, you know like ME3MP, DAMP, and MEAMP? And then 18 months or so ago, top brass says "fuck it, make it all multiplayer, you can keep the single player story shit but otherwise all missions are always-online MP. And then a few months later an addendum comes down: "and oh by the way since we just ate the biggest shit sandwich on Battlefront 2's lootboxes, no lootboxes in Anthem, but you have to have MTX so figure that out." And the team had to scramble to essentially turn a side aspect of the game into the full-fledged release. Would it look like...what we have now? I think it would. I think that might not be too fuckin far off indeed. (the thought I had earlier was "goddamn, Anthem is like what if you only had a year to make ME3MP, DAMP, or MEAMP into a full game")Don’t think. The appalling veneer of sp rpg story doesn’t make think this was ever a sp game.
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Post by Pounce de León on Mar 13, 2019 17:26:28 GMT
Something occurred to me earlier today while I inexplicably wasted more thoughts on this debacle of a game. A bit of a conspiracy theory, but when I thought it a light bulb went off and it feels so right, tell me what you think: What would Anthem look like if development had started and carried on quite a long ways as a single player RPG, with a multiplayer MODE a la ME3MP, DAMP, and MEAMP? One where loot was given out in lootboxes, you know like ME3MP, DAMP, and MEAMP? And then 18 months or so ago, top brass says "fuck it, make it all multiplayer, you can keep the single player story shit but otherwise all missions are always-online MP. And then a few months later an addendum comes down: "and oh by the way since we just ate the biggest shit sandwich on Battlefront 2's lootboxes, no lootboxes in Anthem, but you have to have MTX so figure that out." And the team had to scramble to essentially turn a side aspect of the game into the full-fledged release. Would it look like...what we have now? I think it would. I think that might not be too fuckin far off indeed. (the thought I had earlier was "goddamn, Anthem is like what if you only had a year to make ME3MP, DAMP, or MEAMP into a full game")You say they cut out Mr Dylan? I dunno, I kinda think they totally existed in some bubble. They coulsd have been looking at Warframe and the others for years now.
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Post by shinobiwan on Mar 13, 2019 18:13:16 GMT
Something occurred to me earlier today while I inexplicably wasted more thoughts on this debacle of a game. A bit of a conspiracy theory, but when I thought it a light bulb went off and it feels so right, tell me what you think: What would Anthem look like if development had started and carried on quite a long ways as a single player RPG, with a multiplayer MODE a la ME3MP, DAMP, and MEAMP? One where loot was given out in lootboxes, you know like ME3MP, DAMP, and MEAMP? And then 18 months or so ago, top brass says "fuck it, make it all multiplayer, you can keep the single player story shit but otherwise all missions are always-online MP. And then a few months later an addendum comes down: "and oh by the way since we just ate the biggest shit sandwich on Battlefront 2's lootboxes, no lootboxes in Anthem, but you have to have MTX so figure that out." And the team had to scramble to essentially turn a side aspect of the game into the full-fledged release. Would it look like...what we have now? I think it would. I think that might not be too fuckin far off indeed. (the thought I had earlier was "goddamn, Anthem is like what if you only had a year to make ME3MP, DAMP, or MEAMP into a full game")I'm not sure on the specifics, but there's not a doubt in my mind that Anthem was at one point designed to be a lootbox factory, and that changed drastically when BF2 happened. I've been saying that for at least a year. The fact that they can't get their shit together to make even the cosmetic content - which is their only source of dawnstream revenue at this point - halfway decent cements this for me.
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 13, 2019 18:23:14 GMT
So EA are basically asking for beta testers now, this is insane. People have spent upwards to 80 bucks for this game, and BW has decided to beta test now? The hardcore defenders of this game are now up in arms lol. I would have linked another video, I dislike OWG, but he was the only one I could find talking about it. But it's funny that even someone like him moved on to the division 2. 6 years of development...
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 13, 2019 18:25:00 GMT
This was apparent with DAI right after TW3 released. DAI was a pretty obvious weak open world even before TW3 released. But a lot of people initially overlooked it cause 2014 was such a weak gaming year people in a way had lowered expectations. That all changed once people saw how TW3 open world was handled.
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Post by saandrig on Mar 13, 2019 18:31:48 GMT
DAI was a pretty obvious weak open world even before TW3 released. But a lot of people initially overlooked it cause 2014 was such a weak gaming year people in a way had lowered expectations. That all changed once people saw how TW3 open world was handled. Truth be told I was not impressed by the TW3 open world as well. But the quests were much better handled. The question marks? Not so much.
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Post by lennybusker on Mar 13, 2019 19:16:47 GMT
Yeeeeeah, I think a lot of this whole "Andromeda was actually pretty good when you think about it!" stuff is just nonsense. It's just benefiting from the current DisAnthemSter and people are clouded by recency bias. Andromeda was dogshit when it launched, it was dogshit months later, and it's still dogshit today. No amount of Super Ultra Mega Dogshit being released is going to change that. Sure, basic dogshit is better than Super Ultra Mega dogshit, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Mar 13, 2019 19:19:57 GMT
I have been saying that since E3 2018 and before For that I was labeled a troll and a negative influence and a toxic fan
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Mar 13, 2019 20:21:05 GMT
Let me try...
5.99 years of development...
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Mar 13, 2019 20:23:41 GMT
Let me try... 5.99 years of development... Wait let me 6 years of development and the cold blooded execution of the mass Effect franchise
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Post by Fogg on Mar 13, 2019 20:37:16 GMT
Something occurred to me earlier today while I inexplicably wasted more thoughts on this debacle of a game. A bit of a conspiracy theory, but when I thought it a light bulb went off and it feels so right, tell me what you think: What would Anthem look like if development had started and carried on quite a long ways as a single player RPG, with a multiplayer MODE a la ME3MP, DAMP, and MEAMP? One where loot was given out in lootboxes, you know like ME3MP, DAMP, and MEAMP? And then 18 months or so ago, top brass says "fuck it, make it all multiplayer, you can keep the single player story shit but otherwise all missions are always-online MP. And then a few months later an addendum comes down: "and oh by the way since we just ate the biggest shit sandwich on Battlefront 2's lootboxes, no lootboxes in Anthem, but you have to have MTX so figure that out." And the team had to scramble to essentially turn a side aspect of the game into the full-fledged release. Would it look like...what we have now? I think it would. I think that might not be too fuckin far off indeed. (the thought I had earlier was "goddamn, Anthem is like what if you only had a year to make ME3MP, DAMP, or MEAMP into a full game")Nah, clearly EA wanted their own Destiny and with the succes of ME3's multiplayer they tasked BioWare with creating it. BioWare also is a quality seal for rpg games, so all the reason to choose this studio. The other new IP that BioWare was working on (Shadow Realms) was also multiplayer, they just had to make games as a service titles for EA. What few people know, is that ME3's multiplayer was made by Psyonix. Not BioWare per se. BioWare isn't good at multiplayer, Psyonix is.
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Post by tatann on Mar 13, 2019 20:42:22 GMT
Yeeeeeah, I think a lot of this whole "Andromeda was actually pretty good when you think about it!" stuff is just nonsense. It's just benefiting from the current DisAnthemSter and people are clouded by recency bias. Andromeda was dogshit when it launched, it was dogshit months later, and it's still dogshit today. No amount of Super Ultra Mega Dogshit being released is going to change that. Sure, basic dogshit is better than Super Ultra Mega dogshit, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Andromeda's still better than Elite:Dangerous though ;-)
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Post by CHRrOME on Mar 13, 2019 20:44:12 GMT
Nah, clearly EA wanted their own Destiny and with the succes of ME3's multiplayer they tasked BioWare with creating it. BioWare also is a quality seal for rpg games, so all the reason to choose this studio. The other new IP that BioWare was working on (Shadow Realms) was also multiplayer, they just had to make games as a service titles for EA. What few people know, is that ME3's multiplayer was made by Psyonix. Not BioWare per se. BioWare isn't good at multiplayer, Psyonix is. I thought ME3MP was done by Austin or the "B" team (also Andromeda), the ones that got canned and absorbed afterwards by EA. Who the F are Psyonix?
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Post by shinobiwan on Mar 13, 2019 20:47:26 GMT
Nah, clearly EA wanted their own Destiny and with the succes of ME3's multiplayer they tasked BioWare with creating it. BioWare also is a quality seal for rpg games, so all the reason to choose this studio. The other new IP that BioWare was working on (Shadow Realms) was also multiplayer, they just had to make games as a service titles for EA. What few people know, is that ME3's multiplayer was made by Psyonix. Not BioWare per se. BioWare isn't good at multiplayer, Psyonix is. I thought ME3MP was done by Austin or the "B" team (also Andromeda), the ones that got canned and absorbed afterwards by EA. Who the F are Psyonix? ME3MP was done by Bioware's Montreal office, as was Andromeda. Bioware Montreal was terminated, and some but not all of its employees were brought into EA Motive, also in Montreal, to work on different projects.
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Post by Fogg on Mar 13, 2019 20:51:28 GMT
Nah, clearly EA wanted their own Destiny and with the succes of ME3's multiplayer they tasked BioWare with creating it. BioWare also is a quality seal for rpg games, so all the reason to choose this studio. The other new IP that BioWare was working on (Shadow Realms) was also multiplayer, they just had to make games as a service titles for EA. What few people know, is that ME3's multiplayer was made by Psyonix. Not BioWare per se. BioWare isn't good at multiplayer, Psyonix is. I thought ME3MP was done by Austin or the "B" team (also Andromeda), the ones that got canned and absorbed afterwards by EA. Who the F are Psyonix? They created Rocket League afterwards. A mulitplayer game with millions of players that is doing well for years. For ME3's multiplayer they did the technical stuff to actually make it work, they balanced grinding vs. reward so that people liked to keep on playing it, etc.
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Post by CHRrOME on Mar 13, 2019 20:55:17 GMT
ME3MP was done by Bioware's Montreal office, as was Andromeda. Bioware Montreal was terminated, and some but not all of its employees were brought into EA Motive, also in Montreal, to work on different projects. Meant Montreal, sorry. So many studios names out there I mix shit up quite a lot. They created Rocket League afterwards. A mulitplayer game with millions of players that is doing well for years. For ME3's multiplayer they did the technical stuff to actually make it work, they balanced grinding vs. reward so that people liked to keep on playing it, etc. Interesting... I wonder if that had something to do with the fact that MEAMP is horrendous compared to ME3MP. Probably, because it feels like if a whole new team did that one and not the exact same people.
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Post by General Mahad on Mar 13, 2019 21:07:11 GMT
Yeeeeeah, I think a lot of this whole "Andromeda was actually pretty good when you think about it!" stuff is just nonsense. It's just benefiting from the current DisAnthemSter and people are clouded by recency bias. Andromeda was dogshit when it launched, it was dogshit months later, and it's still dogshit today. No amount of Super Ultra Mega Dogshit being released is going to change that. Sure, basic dogshit is better than Super Ultra Mega dogshit, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Good point.
I'm actually seeing parallels to the Indoctrination Theory that was used to excuse the mishandling of the ME3 ending.
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Post by Sartoz on Mar 14, 2019 2:35:46 GMT
Yeeeeeah, I think a lot of this whole "Andromeda was actually pretty good when you think about it!" stuff is just nonsense. It's just benefiting from the current DisAnthemSter and people are clouded by recency bias. Andromeda was dogshit when it launched, it was dogshit months later, and it's still dogshit today. No amount of Super Ultra Mega Dogshit being released is going to change that. Sure, basic dogshit is better than Super Ultra Mega dogshit, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Andromeda's still better than Elite:Dangerous though ;-)
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Post by monkeylungs on Mar 14, 2019 2:40:45 GMT
ME: Andromeda is a much better game in almost every way.
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Post by Polka Dot on Mar 14, 2019 4:11:17 GMT
Something occurred to me earlier today while I inexplicably wasted more thoughts on this debacle of a game. A bit of a conspiracy theory, but when I thought it a light bulb went off and it feels so right, tell me what you think: What would Anthem look like if development had started and carried on quite a long ways as a single player RPG, with a multiplayer MODE a la ME3MP, DAMP, and MEAMP? One where loot was given out in lootboxes, you know like ME3MP, DAMP, and MEAMP? And then 18 months or so ago, top brass says "fuck it, make it all multiplayer, you can keep the single player story shit but otherwise all missions are always-online MP. And then a few months later an addendum comes down: "and oh by the way since we just ate the biggest shit sandwich on Battlefront 2's lootboxes, no lootboxes in Anthem, but you have to have MTX so figure that out." And the team had to scramble to essentially turn a side aspect of the game into the full-fledged release. Would it look like...what we have now? I think it would. I think that might not be too fuckin far off indeed. (the thought I had earlier was "goddamn, Anthem is like what if you only had a year to make ME3MP, DAMP, or MEAMP into a full game")It sounds plausible. What EA doesn't understand is that a lot of the appeal of BioWare games lies in making choices with consequences, which means each player needs to maintain a unique world state. Or that going out on scripted setpiece missions with followers you've gotten to know is a huge part of it as well. Or that lore, backgrounds, characters, and story is what pulls people into those worlds. I mean, I realize Anthem supposedly has a codex (Cortex?) you can read to learn more about the world, but they don't make much effort to get you interested in any of it. You're just plopped into this world with no background, no history, no context - at least that was my experience with the demo. Maybe the actual game does a little better?
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Post by bakgrind on Mar 14, 2019 4:12:18 GMT
I don't look at Andromeda as being a better game because of Anthem. I look at it as being a better two because it is a better game than what Anthem has shown itself to be. I had always viewed Anthem as that game that no one really asked for,but we got it anyway. It could have been a good addition to the library of games for Bioware. No one was really asking this type of game, but it's what we got. My big take away from the Anthem mess is that we can finally put to bed this mythical "A/B team" that fans and critics alike desperately made up and clung to once and for all. What I really would like to know is what is going on with that Canadian studio? Is it the lack of talented people or managerial over sight along with their social politics? Doubtful that at this time we will be able to have those type of answers.
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Post by Obadiah on Mar 14, 2019 4:22:50 GMT
So EA are basically asking for beta testers now, this is insane. People have spent upwards to 80 bucks for this game, and BW has decided to beta test now? The hardcore defenders of this game are now up in arms lol. I would have linked another video, I dislike OWG, but he was the only one I could find talking about it. But it's funny that even someone like him moved on to the division 2. 6 years of development... I don't get it. I had a Quickplay mission break tonight and I got on the thread and reported the quest and circumstances. Why does this request for information from EA/Bioware require a vidiya response? I switched the video off hallway though - lotta chat about nothing. P.S. Like the iron man looking battle in the video's background though. Wonder what game that is?
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Post by Sartoz on Mar 14, 2019 5:00:19 GMT
6 years of development... I don't get it. I had a Quickplay mission break tonight and I got on the thread and reported the quest and circumstances. Why does this request for information from EA/Bioware require a vidiya response? I switched the video off hallway though - lotta chat about nothing. P.S. Like the iron man looking battle in the video's background though. Wonder what game that is?
Sometimes, fresh eyes can spot something that tired eyes can't.
Perhaps the problem is more complex and insidious. I give them a +1 for requesting help. Let's hope it works.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Mar 14, 2019 6:13:07 GMT
ME: Andromeda is a much better game in almost every way. Nah... hard pass both. I would rather replay NWN, KOTOR, JE, DAO and ME1.
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