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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 7:14:00 GMT
Other than the Suicide Mission, which is less story, and more about choice and RP... ME2 story was pretty shit, imo. Shouldn't have gone off on the collector tangent and should have stuck with the original idea for the trilogy and not the mac "I just make shit up" walters story. You're not really making sense. As I understand things, Drew Karpyshyn did not leave Bioware the first time until February 2012 see attached link to Eurogamer article announcing his departure dated February 17, 2012 and from Gamerant dated February 19, 2012). Mass Effect 2 released in January 2010... so, the Mass Effect 2 script was not Mac Walters going off on his own Collector tangent. Mac did drop Drew's Dark Energy plot from ME3, but it's not like that idea was well introduced in ME2 either since it was only vaguely mentioned by Tali and Kal Reegar. It was mentioned, however, and that's a clear sign that Drew was still heavily involved in the writing of ME2. (Also, I sort of think the scourge at work in Andromeda, however, is a variant of that dark energy plot - so I'm not convinced the idea was totally dead... maybe just put on a back burner to become more developed in a sequel to ME3). www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-02-17-kotor-mass-effect-lead-writer-drew-karpyshyn-leaves-biowaregamerant.com/mass-effect-kotor-lead-writer-drew-karpyshyn-retires-brian-134075/This link is to a Eurogamer article about the Dark Energy plot dated 2013. www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-19-ex-bioware-writer-discusses-dropped-ideas-for-mass-effect-trilogy-endingNote: This article does say that Drew left just before the release of ME2... but given the date of their announcement of his departure.... something is not adding up in that regard. |
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Post by sgtreed24 on Apr 4, 2018 12:20:15 GMT
I could be wrong, but I do believe that Drew left ME2 (not Bioware) during ME2's development to work on SWTOR, thus changing writers during development. Which could easily cause changes in the direction of the story. Just like how they eff up movie trilogies these days by not having the same director for all 3.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 15:15:17 GMT
I could be wrong, but I do believe that Drew left ME2 (not Bioware) during ME2's development to work on SWTOR, thus changing writers during development. Which could easily cause changes in the direction of the story. Just like how they eff up movie trilogies these days by not having the same director for all 3. Drew was transferred to SWTOR, but as I understand it, that was just shortly before ME2 released (as implied in the second Eurogamer article). In addition, the game's credits and Drew's interviews indicate that he "co-wrote" the script for ME2. The collectors are the major enemy in ME2 and would have had to been the main concept very early on in the development of the game - that means clearly that the collectors were not Mac just going off on his own tangent. You're massively jumping the gun on that accusation. Furthermore, Mac did drop Drew's Dark Energy plot in ME3, but it IS there in ME2. Drew's own admission in the second Eurogamer article reveals that it was not really fleshed out concept yet in ME2, but more of just a vague idea. All of this adds up to Drew still be heavily involved in the writing of ME2 right through the ending. You can continue to blame Mac for everything if you want to, but I don't see where the facts really support that idea. |
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Post by AnDromedary on Apr 4, 2018 19:03:21 GMT
Well, whoever was at fault, I do agree that it wasn't the best idea to basically abandon the main plot-line of the trilogy for an entire chapter.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 4, 2018 19:53:33 GMT
Well, whoever was at fault, I do agree that it wasn't the best idea to basically abandon the main plot-line of the trilogy for an entire chapter. The more I think about it, the more I realize a plot for the motivation of the Reapers was being developed in ME2 - it just wasn't clear. As I understand it, the dark energy plot was going to be the entire reason for Reaper attacks. Since that was abandoned it made ME2 not make much sense. |
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Post by AnDromedary on Apr 4, 2018 20:00:51 GMT
Well, whoever was at fault, I do agree that it wasn't the best idea to basically abandon the main plot-line of the trilogy for an entire chapter. The more I think about it, the more I realize a plot for the motivation of the Reapers was being developed in ME2 - it just wasn't clear. As I understand it, the dark energy plot was going to be the entire reason for Reaper attacks. Since that was abandoned it made ME2 not make much sense. Even if that was the case, I'd say that this plot wasn't exactly "developed" in ME2. There were two or three ominous references, that was it. IMO, that's nothing to really build on. Even going for the dark energy plot-line, they'd have to start almost from scratch on that one in ME3 as well. Sure, they could have thrown in a "remember Haestrom" but even that entire mission is completely optional in ME2. Don't take this the wrong way, I think using the dark energy idea in some shape or form in ME3 would have been great but even if they did it, I'd still have to say that ME2 dropped the ball when it comes to the trilogy as a whole. |
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