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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Mar 23, 2018 2:09:00 GMT
Solas already has a far firmer grip on the idiot ball than he does on the Orb he stupidly gave to Corypheus, and I expect him to keep hold of it in DA4. This. So much this. But, to be fair, the "Bring back my Warden!" sub-fandom has a death grip on the idiot ball too. In many ways, they remind me of flat-earthers. Even when Bioware straight-up says it ain't gonna happen, they still deny, deny, deny.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Mar 23, 2018 2:19:54 GMT
Remember the Grey Wardens! Tell me about it! DA:O could have basically been a propaganda reel for the Wardens, because of how much it cleaned up their image. They were super shifty and corrupt in The Calling. Then, a month or so later, Origins comes out, and they get to act all saintly and “politically neutral” because the institutional corruption gets killed off early on. A tad revisionist, don't you think? In The Calling, exactly two Wardens were super shifty. Arguably, First Enchanter Remille was about 1000x more shifty than any Warden in the story. If you're gonna condemn an entire faction for the malfeasance of a few, you better write off every Circle mage in existence as well. (BTW, I hate how DAI did the same thing you did, exaggerated The Calling's outlier pair into the entire Order of Orlais.) And, things weren't all wine and roses in DAO for the Wardens, either. Avernus weren't no saint. Or are you not counting DLC as canon?
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Post by arvaarad on Mar 23, 2018 2:28:26 GMT
Tell me about it! DA:O could have basically been a propaganda reel for the Wardens, because of how much it cleaned up their image. They were super shifty and corrupt in The Calling. Then, a month or so later, Origins comes out, and they get to act all saintly and “politically neutral” because the institutional corruption gets killed off early on. A tad revisionist, don't you think? In The Calling, exactly two Wardens were super shifty. Arguably, First Enchanter Remille was about 1000x more shifty than any Warden in the story. If you're gonna condemn an entire faction for the malfeasance of a few, you better write off every Circle mage in existence as well. (BTW, I hate how DAI did the same thing you did, exaggerated The Calling's outlier pair into the entire Order of Orlais.) And, things weren't all wine and roses in DAO for the Wardens, either. Avernus weren't no saint. Or are you not counting DLC as canon? That would be Warden’s Keep, yes. I think I mentioned it, but if I didn’t, I meant to. Warden’s Keep is important not just because of Avernus, but also Sophia Dryden. The coup she attempted goes directly against the Wardens’ narrative that they’re politically neutral. Coups are about as non-neutral as it gets. And it also helps explain why Ferelden mistrusts them so much; they were interfering with Fereldan politics.
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Post by Kaibe on Mar 23, 2018 3:31:59 GMT
Everyone will get a chance to hold the idiot ball, I think.
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Post by Sifr on Mar 23, 2018 10:29:10 GMT
That would be Warden’s Keep, yes. I think I mentioned it, but if I didn’t, I meant to. Warden’s Keep is important not just because of Avernus, but also Sophia Dryden. The coup she attempted goes directly against the Wardens’ narrative that they’re politically neutral. Coups are about as non-neutral as it gets. And it also helps explain why Ferelden mistrusts them so much; they were interfering with Fereldan politics. True, although we do get some indication that Ferelden may have been the verge of civil war anyway. According to a note in Soldier's Peak, King Arland had already wiped out the entire Ruahn line over an idle word and Avernus claims that Arland murdered countless nobles, include several Couslands (including the Teyrn) for plotting against him. Even after Sophia died, the civil war continued and lasted almost a decade. Doesn't excuse Sophia using the Wardens as her own private army though, nor the suggestion (from her diary) that she intentionally sought the post of Warden-Commander in order to eventually get revenge against her cousin. The Banns do seem to have asked her to intervene on their behalf though, rather than her raising her banners first. Of course, we can't be sure whether that request was of their own volition or something she had Avernus give them a little "nudge" with. Given her ambition, can't rule out that she manipulated the Bannorn into coming to her for help, thus allowing her to claim getting involved was an "errand of mercy". There's also the possibility that the Bannorn wanted to take advantage of her claim to the throne to correct their monumental screw-up. It seems they may have put Arland on the throne thinking he would be an easily manipulated puppet, only to find out he was far more ruthless and cunning than they'd anticipated. As Sophia secretly coveted power, it makes sense she'd take advantage of their desperation to get the throne she felt had been stolen from her.
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Post by arvaarad on Mar 23, 2018 12:33:26 GMT
That would be Warden’s Keep, yes. I think I mentioned it, but if I didn’t, I meant to. Warden’s Keep is important not just because of Avernus, but also Sophia Dryden. The coup she attempted goes directly against the Wardens’ narrative that they’re politically neutral. Coups are about as non-neutral as it gets. And it also helps explain why Ferelden mistrusts them so much; they were interfering with Fereldan politics. True, although we do get some indication that Ferelden may have been the verge of civil war anyway. According to a note in Soldier's Peak, King Arland had already wiped out the entire Ruahn line over an idle word and Avernus claims that Arland murdered countless nobles, include several Couslands (including the Teyrn) for plotting against him. Even after Sophia died, the civil war continued and lasted almost a decade. Doesn't excuse Sophia using the Wardens as her own private army though, nor the suggestion (from her diary) that she intentionally sought the post of Warden-Commander in order to eventually get revenge against her cousin. The Banns do seem to have asked her to intervene on their behalf though, rather than her raising her banners first. Of course, we can't be sure whether that request was of their own volition or something she had Avernus give them a little "nudge" with. Given her ambition, can't rule out that she manipulated the Bannorn into coming to her for help, thus allowing her to claim getting involved was an "errand of mercy". There's also the possibility that the Bannorn wanted to take advantage of her claim to the throne to correct their monumental screw-up. It seems they may have put Arland on the throne thinking he would be an easily manipulated puppet, only to find out he was far more ruthless and cunning than they'd anticipated. As Sophia secretly coveted power, it makes sense she'd take advantage of their desperation to get the throne she felt had been stolen from her. Yep, exactly right. On paper it would have been good if Arland got the boot, but getting involved in politics pollutes the Warden’s mission in the long term. You can’t trust a political faction with the Right of Conscription and a large standing army. Eventually either the Right would be challenged, or the Wardens would become despots.
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Post by Sifr on Mar 23, 2018 15:25:51 GMT
Yep, exactly right. On paper it would have been good if Arland got the boot, but getting involved in politics pollutes the Warden’s mission in the long term. You can’t trust a political faction with the Right of Conscription and a large standing army. Eventually either the Right would be challenged, or the Wardens would become despots. Although the funny thing is that interfering in local politics and playing kingmaker is something the Hero of Ferelden did all the time. Because Orzammar was suffering a succession crisis and a King was the only one who could honour the Warden treaty, the HoF used the Blight as justification to meddle in their affairs. To that end, they can partake in several underhanded methods in order to support their chosen side and undermine the other candidate. Even though a Paragon did give us authority to decide the victor (because neither one cared), the Warden still ended up unilaterally deciding who took the throne, without the Assembly having any say in the matter whatsoever. And when it comes to Ferelden, the HoF essentially does no different than Sophia Dryden, getting involved in a civil war affecting the country where the outcome could have lead to a Warden sitting on the throne (Alistair using his claim or a Cousland who married Anora). By Awakening, the Warden administrates as Arl of Amaranthine after the territory was seized from the Howe family. In being given Amaranthine by the crown, the Wardens benefited from Howe's heirs (Delilah and Nathaniel) being thrown to the curb, despite being completely innocent and having zero involvement with their father's crimes. Even though the Wardens shouldn't get involved in politics, the Hero of Ferelden did a ton during the events of Origins and Awakening. And the First Warden that leads the order from Weisshaupt is often remarked as essentially being the ruler of the Anderfels in all-but-name.
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Post by arvaarad on Mar 23, 2018 15:28:12 GMT
Yep, exactly right. On paper it would have been good if Arland got the boot, but getting involved in politics pollutes the Warden’s mission in the long term. You can’t trust a political faction with the Right of Conscription and a large standing army. Eventually either the Right would be challenged, or the Wardens would become despots. Although the funny thing is that interfering in local politics and playing kingmaker is something the Hero of Ferelden did all the time. Because Orzammar was suffering a succession crisis and a King was the only one who could honour the Warden treaty, the HoF used the Blight as justification to meddle in their affairs. To that end, they can partake in several underhanded methods in order to support their chosen side and undermine the other candidate. Even though a Paragon did give us authority to decide the victor (because neither one cared), the Warden still ended up unilaterally deciding who took the throne, without the Assembly having any say in the matter whatsoever. And when it comes to Ferelden, the HoF essentially does no different than Sophia Dryden, getting involved in a civil war affecting the country where the outcome could have lead to a Warden sitting on the throne (Alistair using his claim or a Cousland who married Anora). By Awakening, the Warden administrates Amaranthine after the territory was seized from the Howe family... wherein the crown throw Howe's heirs (Delilah and Nathaniel) effectively to the curb, despite neither having any involvement in their father's crimes. Even though the Wardens shouldn't get involved in politics, the Hero of Ferelden did a ton during the events of Origins and Awakening. And the First Warden that leads the order from Weisshaupt is often remarked as essentially being the ruler of the Anderfels in all-but-name. One of many, many reasons I put Anora on the throne.
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Post by Sifr on Mar 23, 2018 15:33:05 GMT
One of many, many reasons I put Anora on the throne. I always put Alistair and Anora togther, balancing out his royal blood (but no experience) and her experience (but tenuous claim) so it seems more legitimate and something the (finicky) Bannorn would more easily accept going forward. And by Inquisition, seems they did end up working rather well together and becoming a rather badass power-couple, given the tag-team verbal smackdown they put on Fiona if you go the mage-route.
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Post by arvaarad on Mar 23, 2018 15:35:51 GMT
One of many, many reasons I put Anora on the throne. I always put Alistair and Anora togther, balancing out his royal blood (but no experience) and her experience (but tenuous claim) so it seems more legitimate and something the (finicky) Bannorn would more easily accept going forward. And by Inquisition, seems they did end up working rather well together and becoming a rather badass power-couple, given the tag-team verbal smackdown they put on Fiona if you go the mage-route. I’m still shocked they didn’t make Alistair fall to the false Calling. Seems like an obvious risk of making him king.
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Post by Sifr on Mar 23, 2018 16:56:49 GMT
I’m still shocked they didn’t make Alistair fall to the false Calling. Seems like an obvious risk of making him king. The game seems to suggest that the false Calling only affected the Orlesian Wardens or any Warden who was in Orlais when it began. That's why the only Wardens in Ferelden and who heard the false Calling were those from Orlais and operating under Clarel's orders. There was no sign (at least in-game) that any Fereldan Wardens were hearing it, nor were any seeming to be present at Adamant. If I had to speculate, Corypheus would have little reason to bother with Wardens in Ferelden because they lack the numbers and he wanted to take advantage of the weakened veil at Adamant to bring Nightmare through. Perhaps the reason Orlesian Wardens could hear the false Calling in Ferelden, but Fereldan Wardens couldn't (that we know of), might have been because only the Orlesian Wardens were the only ones specifically "tuned in" by Nightmare to receive it? Or rather than being "broadcast", it was more akin to an "ear-worm" that only those in Orlais were forced to have rattling in their noggin. Of course, for all we know the Ferelden Wardens could hear it and King Alistair never said anything because he didn't want anyone to know. But my personal theory is that the Ferelden Wardens disappearance somehow ties into the hints we're getting that something's going down at Weisshaupt. There's already some degree of commotion taking place there in DAI and Last Flight takes place shortly after, that has huge implications for the Wardens. And from that novel, there's supposedly a new Warden-Commander in Ferelden, either because the Awakening one died or the higher-ups chose to replace the HoF, after they went AWOL to search for a cure.
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Post by invisibleman on Mar 23, 2018 19:16:23 GMT
exactly who had the idiot ball in DA:I, it seemed to pass between so many hands it's hard to keep track... though, as for DA4, hmm... i think i have to agree with whoever said it will basically be anyone and everyone who is not the pc.
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Post by Sifr on Mar 23, 2018 20:24:58 GMT
The Qunari may have the idiot ball in DA4 if they really are gearing up for invasion.
You can imagine that the threat of Solas from bringing down the Veil and unleashing even more magic into the world would terrify the Qunari, so they might decide that invasion is the only way to deal with Solas and the south once and for all. Except that would be a ridiculous move, as forcing Tevinter or the southern nations to focus on repelling a Qunari invasion would allow Solas to continue his plans unimpeded.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 23, 2018 20:53:55 GMT
I’m still shocked they didn’t make Alistair fall to the false Calling. Seems like an obvious risk of making him king. The game seems to suggest that the false Calling only affected the Orlesian Wardens or any Warden who was in Orlais when it began. That's why the only Wardens in Ferelden and who heard the false Calling were those from Orlais and operating under Clarel's orders. There was no sign (at least in-game) that any Fereldan Wardens were hearing it, nor were any seeming to be present at Adamant. If I had to speculate, Corypheus would have little reason to bother with Wardens in Ferelden because they lack the numbers and he wanted to take advantage of the weakened veil at Adamant to bring Nightmare through. Perhaps the reason Orlesian Wardens could hear the false Calling in Ferelden, but Fereldan Wardens couldn't (that we know of), might have been because only the Orlesian Wardens were the only ones specifically "tuned in" by Nightmare to receive it? Or rather than being "broadcast", it was more akin to an "ear-worm" that only those in Orlais were forced to have rattling in their noggin. Of course, for all we know the Ferelden Wardens could hear it and King Alistair never said anything because he didn't want anyone to know. But my personal theory is that the Ferelden Wardens disappearance somehow ties into the hints we're getting that something's going down at Weisshaupt. There's already some degree of commotion taking place there in DAI and Last Flight takes place shortly after, that has huge implications for the Wardens. And from that novel, there's supposedly a new Warden-Commander in Ferelden, either because the Awakening one died or the higher-ups chose to replace the HoF, after they went AWOL to search for a cure. where did it say the Wardens in Ferelden couldn't hear the False Calling? In fact I got the opposite impression.
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Post by Sifr on Mar 23, 2018 21:35:38 GMT
where did it say the Wardens in Ferelden couldn't hear the False Calling? In fact I got the opposite impression. The game repeatedly tells us that "every Warden in Orlais" began to hear the False Calling, rather than saying that it was every Warden in the south. We are told that the Orlesian Wardens can still hear this false Calling in Ferelden, based on information present in the Warden journals on the Storm Coast and mentioned by the Warden-ally in Crestwood. However as the Fereldan Wardens are conspicuously absent in the game, we don't have any evidence to suggest that they were also affected by the false Calling. Every Warden in Ferelden that we encountered or were mentioned in DAI, seems to have come from Orlais to track down the Warden-ally under Clarel's orders. (Off-topic, but anyone else think Clarel may have massively overstepped her authority here, considering that Ferelden lies completely outside of her jurisdiction? You'd think that any search would have had to have been cleared with the local Warden-Commander first or should have been conducted by their own forces, rather than Clarel sending her own troops across the border?) I could be wrong and Fereldan Wardens could have been hearing the False Calling, but we never see them, nor get any evidence their disappearance was related. The game seems to treat the False Calling as if only the Wardens of Orlais were affected, rather than anyone else.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 21:49:25 GMT
However as the Fereldan Wardens are conspicuously absent in the game, we don't have any evidence to suggest that they were also affected by the false Calling. Every Warden in Ferelden that we encountered or were mentioned in DAI, seems to have come from Orlais to track down the Warden-ally under Clarel's orders. Maybe they're with the Warden Commander of Ferelden (the HOF)
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Post by Sifr on Mar 23, 2018 22:08:14 GMT
However as the Fereldan Wardens are conspicuously absent in the game, we don't have any evidence to suggest that they were also affected by the false Calling. Every Warden in Ferelden that we encountered or were mentioned in DAI, seems to have come from Orlais to track down the Warden-ally under Clarel's orders. Maybe they're with the Warden Commander of Ferelden (the HOF) Or naked on a barge headed to Par Vollen, nursing the mother of all hangovers after sampling Oghren's moonshine. "Ugh, what's in this stuff? And why am I seeing a giant green swirly thing in the sky?"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 22:11:22 GMT
Maybe they're with the Warden Commander of Ferelden (the HOF) Or naked on a barge headed to Par Vollen, nursing the mother of all hangovers after sampling Oghren's moonshine. "Ugh, what's in this stuff? And why am I seeing a giant green swirly thing in the sky?"The HOF has many things to say to them when they come back. "YOU TRUSTED FUCKING ORGHEN AND ENDED UP IN PAR VOLLEN? EH? WHY'D YOU TRUST THAT DWARF IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!"
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Post by colfoley on Mar 23, 2018 23:11:41 GMT
where did it say the Wardens in Ferelden couldn't hear the False Calling? In fact I got the opposite impression. The game repeatedly tells us that "every Warden in Orlais" began to hear the False Calling, rather than saying that it was every Warden in the south. We are told that the Orlesian Wardens can still hear this false Calling in Ferelden, based on information present in the Warden journals on the Storm Coast and mentioned by the Warden-ally in Crestwood. However as the Fereldan Wardens are conspicuously absent in the game, we don't have any evidence to suggest that they were also affected by the false Calling. Every Warden in Ferelden that we encountered or were mentioned in DAI, seems to have come from Orlais to track down the Warden-ally under Clarel's orders. (Off-topic, but anyone else think Clarel may have massively overstepped her authority here, considering that Ferelden lies completely outside of her jurisdiction? You'd think that any search would have had to have been cleared with the local Warden-Commander first or should have been conducted by their own forces, rather than Clarel sending her own troops across the border?) I could be wrong and Fereldan Wardens could have been hearing the False Calling, but we never see them, nor get any evidence their disappearance was related. The game seems to treat the False Calling as if only the Wardens of Orlais were affected, rather than anyone else. Heh. You may be right but on the other hand if they mentioned all the Wardens of the SOuth that would include those of the Free Marches too. Hmm, I wonder if it has anything to do with the first Warden that Corypheus possessed was an Orlesian Warden (right?)
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Post by simit on Mar 24, 2018 1:27:32 GMT
Im sure both Alistair and Loghain hear it if wardens an remark on all wardens being effected but those in Orlais particularly so, i could be wrong though it been awhile, but i never had or got the impression it was only Orlais wardens only that they were worst effected
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Mar 24, 2018 20:56:06 GMT
I would actually feel a little better about DAI's demoting the Grey Warden's from interesting plot-faction to lame-idiots if all the Wardens felt the False Calling, but only Clarel and the Orlesian Order were stupid and cowardly enough to fall for it. I too had thought that the FC was only felt in Orlais, though I can't say why. If only the Order in Orlais felt it, it would mean 100% (minus Alistair/Stroud/Loghain and Blackwall, lol) of Wardens feeling the FC were craven, which would be a crying shame. But if all felt it and only Orlais fell for it, there might be some hope for the Order continuing to be a faction I'd be interested in.
But who am I kidding? The DAI crew wanted to clear the deck of all competing institutions, so that the Inquisition would reign supreme. So it doesn't really matter who felt the FC and who didn't, the GW were kicked to the curb regardless.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 25, 2018 14:39:41 GMT
I could be wrong and Fereldan Wardens could have been hearing the False Calling, but we never see them, nor get any evidence their disappearance was related. The game seems to treat the False Calling as if only the Wardens of Orlais were affected, rather than anyone else. The whole Warden plot was full of holes. Why did Clarel need to ask Teagan for permission to enter Ferelden when the Grey Wardens had a permanent presence in Vigil's Keep? If the Ferelden Wardens were unaffected why didn't Leliana simply ask them why there was no Warden presence in the Frostback Area? Why didn't Stroud/Alistair/Loghain appeal to the Wardens at Vigil's Keep? Surely the Hero of Ferelden would have set up their own local chain of commander before they went off chasing for a cure for the Taint? For that matter, why on earth did they think it could be found in the West? (presumably the area beyond the known boundaries of Thedas in that direction). Whilst local Commanders have pretty much autonomy when it comes to running the Warden presence in their country, surely something as significant as every Warden hearing the Calling at once would be considered strange and serious enough to immediately send a notification to the leadership in Weishauppt? Why is it so difficult to keep in touch with HQ when Leliana can have a network of agents across Thedas that she can contact in a matter of days? Why in the epilogue did every nation start shunning the Wardens just because the Inquisition banished them from Orlais? Why was a perfectly sensible decision taken to deal with a situation in the short term (Corypheus being able to influence the minds of Wardens) turned by the writers into a permanent banishment when the reason for their behaviour had been removed? It was implied that the false Calling was being heard by Wardens in Ferelden as well as Orlais, even if those further afield was immune. However, according to Morrigan there was no limit to Corypheus' body hopping ability and therefore you would assume no limit to his false Calling either, at least before we dealt with the Nightmare demon. Whether we banish the Wardens or bring them into the Inquisition, you still end up fighting Wardens in the Arbor wilds. Why weren't they with Clarel at Adamant? Presumably because they weren't under her command. Of course this was contradicted by the novel The Last Flight, because in that it does state that only the Orlesian Wardens were affected. It was still business as usual across Thedas including in Ferelden. Apparently the leadership were unaware of any false Calling taking place and were simply a little concerned about not receiving their regular report from Clarel. What is particularly weird about all this is that the moment Corypheus pops up at Haven you would think that Leliana and the respective monarchs of Ferelden and Orlais would immediately start sending urgent communications to Weishauppt asking them what the hell they are going to do about him? If they didn't do this straight away, I'm surprised the Inquisition didn't at least do this once we had met Hawke and been told exactly who he was and where he came from, including the important information he isn't f***ing dead. Contrary to what Hawke seemed to think in the Fade, Corypheus wasn't their responsibility. That clearly lay with the Wardens because dealing with ancient darkspawn is clearly their remit and they needed to clean up the mess they had created.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 25, 2018 15:06:04 GMT
As for the question by the original OP, if you think about it having the opposition make illogical decisions does seem a standard way to allow the PC to shine. Take Corypheus and the Well of Sorrows. Since we spend much of the game dealing with his minions rather than the man himself, what was he doing all that time? Surely the sensible thing for him to do, considering the Well of Sorrows was always known to him and he wanted the knowledge within it, would have been to have gone there straight away, not wait until his forces had been decimated by the Inquisition. I can only assume that the plan originally was to wait until he had his demon army in order to do so because he anticipated resistance on the part of whatever was guarding the Well. Of course, you do have to ask why, when the PC was actually dangling from his hand outside Haven, he didn't just kill them on the spot or at the very least cut off their hand and then work out how to separate the anchor from it later.
A different sort of contrivance occurs in Trespasser. How did the Viddasala know that the orb that Corypheus used belonged to Fen'Harel and that his agent (Solas) had given it to him? Solas tells us that it was his agents who led him to it but presumably that was to prevent it being traced back to him and Corypheus suspecting a set up. So we have to believe that the Qunari were already shadowing Corypheus and those connected with him, saw the connection and traced it back to Solas. Yet I thought she said it was the explosion itself that stirred the Qunari into action, so that means up until then they were not concerned about the individuals involved. If they had known that the Venatori were gathering together magical artefacts that could be dangerous, why didn't they do more to stop them?
Anyway, I think it is likely that the elves are being set up as cannon fodder in the next game. It is implied that elves are flocking to Solas' banner across the south, even though there is no logical reason they should be doing so whether he tells them his real identity or not. If he says he is some ancient elven god, why should they believe him and not think he is just some crazy apostate with delusions of grandeur. Of course the Dalish might do so in the hope of getting their gods back but clearly he would have to miss out the bit about modern elves burning in the chaos with the other races. However, given their lore that he is an untrustworthy trickster, would they really place all their hopes in him? Might they not suspect some sort of double cross? So I would be disappointed if there were not two different factions of elves (whether Dalish or not), those who support Solas and those who do not. This also holds true of the elven slaves, although with them they have a third option of supporting the Qun.
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Post by Sifr on Mar 27, 2018 5:55:34 GMT
The whole Warden plot was full of holes. Why did Clarel need to ask Teagan for permission to enter Ferelden when the Grey Wardens had a permanent presence in Vigil's Keep? If the Ferelden Wardens were unaffected why didn't Leliana simply ask them why there was no Warden presence in the Frostback Area? Why didn't Stroud/Alistair/Loghain appeal to the Wardens at Vigil's Keep? There's a few reasons the Orlesian Wardens might need to seek permission to enter Ferelden. The strained relationship between the two nations and bitterness over the Orlesian occupation would mean Fereldans wouldn't react well to a "Orlesian" military force entering the country unannounced, for fear it might mask a potential invasion force. (Loghain voiced such a concern about potential invasion by Orlesian Wardens in DAO, while in DAI, it's mentioned by Josephine during IHW that the perception the Inquisition is "Orlesian" means their army can't directly attack Recliffe) This might also be a consequence of the Warden's exile from Ferelden. Even after Maric rescinded the ban, Warden policy or Fereldan law might still require that Wardens formally request permission before entering the country (regardless of what nation they represent). As for no-one asks the Fereldan Wardens what's going on, there was no-one to ask. Leliana mentioned they had all mysteriously disappeared several months earlier (seemingly unrelated to what's going on with Orlais), which is why she sent us after Blackwall because he was the only "Warden" that anyone had seen in Ferelden for some time. Personally, I'd rather like to see Nathaniel Howe as the next Warden-Commander. (So he'd have been acting Warden-Commander in DAI, while an alive HoF was absent looking for a cure) Of course, he could be dead or not recruited depending on your Awakening playthrough, but DA2 established that Anders and Justice were canonically recruited, so Bioware could easily retcon Nathaniel's status in a similar fashion. Better yet, having Nathaniel as the Warden-Commander would mean Bioware wouldn't need to bring back the HoF, forego having to deal with explaining where the HoF or Orlesian Warden are, along with letting us get to see the Awakening Wardens (who deserve more love) without getting bogged down in continuty. Plus, Nathaniel seems like a fairly popular character, so why not?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 6:01:19 GMT
What is particularly weird about all this is that the moment Corypheus pops up at Haven you would think that Leliana and the respective monarchs of Ferelden and Orlais would immediately start sending urgent communications to Weishauppt asking them what the hell they are going to do about him? If they didn't do this straight away, It makes this ten times worse considering King Alistair is a former Warden so he'd know immediately something was wrong. I can image him being the very first person to do something about the fake calling, less it takes him too.
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