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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 10, 2018 16:43:10 GMT
One possibility about the Catalyst not knowing about the mini relay is about how active it is. It's possible it remains dormant up until a Reaper invasion. IIRC, that relay was done somewhat after the invasion and its only purpose was to get the scientists on Ilos to the Citadel. It was only then that the keepers were altered. As for why it might remain dormant, I have no idea. It created the Reapers in the first place and they built the Citadel, likely at its direction. I'd have to imagine it monitors what goes on inside of it, if not every use of the relays.
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Post by xassantex on Apr 10, 2018 18:28:50 GMT
what about pot holes? i notice many every time i play.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 11, 2018 3:08:36 GMT
what about pot holes? i notice many every time i play. That's why the Mako is so essential. Runs right over those things! I mean, just look at the Prothean skyway on Feros!
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Post by kalreegar on Apr 11, 2018 9:50:12 GMT
Only if: a. we assume that the catalyst is ALWAYS aware of EVERYTHING that happens on the citadel and to the citadel. Also, "the citadel is part of me" can simply mean that the citadel is the physical structure on which it is installed. Nothing transcendental. b. we exclude the possibility that the protheans, while altering the signals of the citadel, didn't have somehow "altered" (or "hacked") the catalyst, limiting its capabilities to act and react. Maybe unawares.
Should we? I don't think so, why should we?
The citadel is big. Lot of places. And why should the catalyst being ALWAYS aware of EVERYTHING that happens on the citadel and to the citadel? No reason. The Ilos projects and everything related to it passed miraculously unnoticed, Vigil said that We don't know where the mini-relay was located during the prothean age. Being a super-mega top secret project, probably in a super-mega secret area.
Reapers have proven to be quite inaccurate in their cleaning work (they miss Ilos, they miss Javik, they miss the crucible project on mars, they miss the leviathans for a billion years), so no surprise they miss the mini relay.
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Only if: a. we assume that the catalyst is ALWAYS aware of EVERYTHING that happens on the citadel and to the citadel. Also, "the citadel is part of me" can simply mean that the citadel is the physical structure on which it is installed. Nothing transcendental. b. we exclude the possibility that the protheans, while altering the signals of the citadel, didn't have somehow "altered" (or "hacked") the catalyst, limiting its capabilities to act and react. Maybe unawares. Should we? I don't think so, why should we? The citadel is big. Lot of places. And why should the catalyst being ALWAYS aware of EVERYTHING that happens on the citadel and to the citadel? No reason. The Ilos projects and everything related to it passed miraculously unnoticed, Vigil said that We don't know where the mini-relay was located during the prothean age. Being a super-mega top secret project, probably in a super-mega secret area. Reapers have proven to be quite inaccurate in their cleaning work (they miss Ilos, they miss Javik, they miss the crucible project on mars, they miss the leviathans for a billion years), so no surprise they miss the mini relay. Within the narrative, Bioware does imply that the Catalyst should know about what's going on with the Citadel: When Shepard asks about the nature of the Catalyst by saying "I thought the Citadel was the Catalyst", the Catalyst replies: "No, the Citadel is part of me." So, the Citadel and the Catalyst are extremely intertwined (to the point that Vendetta, a VI made by the same Protheans who made and used the Conduit, believes the two are one and the same) and the Catalyst indicates that it is the greater whole and the Citadel is merely a part of that whole. Your computer is programmed to run diagnostics on itself and, if spotting a problem, to run even deeper diagnostics in that area and, if necessary, to take steps to fix the problem internally and often automatically. Given all that, I would respond... Why should I assume that the Catalyst, an even more advanced AI than a present-day computer, be unaware of what is going on within itself? Also, the Conduit Mass Relay is NOT found in a super-secret area of the Citadel. It's found in a public plaza and it was, apparently, used by the Prothean scientists themselves to get to the Citadel from Ilos (it's a one way trip we're told)... so that they could then work their way to the Citadel Tower and sabotage the keeper signal. Within the narrative, we are shown Shepard's own "entrance" onto the Citadel using that same method to get there, and it is hardly covert. A further plot hole here is how, when the Prothean Scientists were trapped on Ilos, did they manage to emerge on the Citadel when they were unable to get to the Citadel to build that end of their Relay... that is, the Citadel end of that "paired" system could not have existed before the Prothean Scientists apparently emerged from it. Do Mass Relays just appear out of thin air and build themselves when someone starts the journey at the other end (like nether portals in MInecraft)? Bioware never indicates that anywhere in the narrative and this begs the question - Why then can't we build distant relays (like in Andromeda) simply by building one on this end and pointing it towards a destination... after all, the Protheans apparently built a relay on the Citadel by just traveling through a new one on Ilos. So, next scenario - Perhaps there were other Protheans already on the Citadel who built that end at the same time the Protheans on Ilos were building there end of it. However, again Bioware never indicates that in the narrative and it begs the question then, why build it at all?... just communicate the 'how to disable the keepers" to the Protheans already on the Citadel.. so, another plot hole. Moreover, the Catalyst says he controls the reapers. That means he tells them what to do. That means he tells Sovereign, a reaper, what to do. So why would I assume he is then completely unaware of what Sovereign is doing? Lastly, the narrative gives absolutely no indication that the Prothean Scientists hacked the Catalyst. You are the one supposing that from your own mind and creating your own "what if" scenario to fill that plot hole. Ditto, the narrative gives absolutely no indication that the Catalyst is ever dormant, so that is again another "what if" scenario you're using to fill their plot hole. Sure, Bioware could ultimately insert your "what if" scenario into their narrative in a future game... and that would close their plot hole... but for now, the plot hole still exists.
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Post by kalreegar on Apr 11, 2018 14:33:51 GMT
we need to hypothesize only a certain amount of unawareness. Nothing more, nothing less. Do you know how an AI works? Are you sure that some minor changes to the physical structure can not pass unnoticed? The catalyst is badly intertwined with the citadel. He needs the keepers tu run it, he need sovereing and saren, he cannot open/close the arms, ha cannot open the relay, he cannot activate nor stop the crucible, he can't do nothing. Assuming a perfect a perfect identity between the catalyst and the citadel is contradicted multiple time during the trilogy. Also, the Conduit Mass Relay is NOT found in a super-secret area of the Citadel. It's found in a public plaza and it was, apparently, used by the Prothean scientists themselves to get to the Citadel from Ilos (it's a one way trip we're told)... so that they could then work their way to the Citadel Tower and sabotage the keeper signal. Within the narrative, we are shown Shepard's own "entrance" onto the Citadel using that same method to get there, and it is hardly covert. The asari found it there. Was it always there? Who knows. The prothean scientist could have moved it to the presidium hoping that the organic would understand what it was, found the conduit, vigil etc etc. Who knows. ?? the mini-relay was already on the citadel. the scientist finished the relay on ilos, tha leave. Nobody knows what happend to them. Maybe they managed to leave the citadel too, who knows. Simply, they were too few to repopulate the galaxy. The catalyst ordered to the sovereign something like " come here and open the relay manually (because I can't) so the invasion can start as usual. Be discreet and act only when you are well prepared". Ha could have been perfectly aware about Sovereing actions and plans, but being the catalyst incapable of material action (or incapable of useful material action) he had to wait for the outcome of the attack. The citadel receive multiple imputs, signals, from different sources (from Sovereing, from the organics living there, from the catalyst, from Shepard using Vigil device etc). Signals are sent through the station, where they are "translated". They become citadel signals, emitted by the Citadel, and thus recognizable by the Keepers. The Prothean scientist altered the Citadel's Signals (plurals). Vigil exact quote. So, the signals emitted by the Citadel have been modified by the prothean scientist, as they see fit, in order to prevent the Keepers to execute certain orders from certain beings (sovering and it's ilk) - The Prothean scientist altered the Citadel's Signals - The Citadel is (part of) the Catalyst - The Prothean scientist altered (part of) the Calatyst's Signals Call as you want, hacking, alteration, but something happened. Could have happened. No plot holes here.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 15:42:38 GMT
we need to hypothesize only a certain amount of unawareness. Nothing more, nothing less. Do you know how an AI works? Are you sure that some minor changes to the physical structure can not pass unnoticed? The catalyst is badly intertwined with the citadel. He needs the keepers tu run it, he need sovereing and saren, he cannot open/close the arms, ha cannot open the relay, he cannot activate nor stop the crucible, he can't do nothing. Assuming a perfect a perfect identity between the catalyst and the citadel is contradicted multiple time during the trilogy. Also, the Conduit Mass Relay is NOT found in a super-secret area of the Citadel. It's found in a public plaza and it was, apparently, used by the Prothean scientists themselves to get to the Citadel from Ilos (it's a one way trip we're told)... so that they could then work their way to the Citadel Tower and sabotage the keeper signal. Within the narrative, we are shown Shepard's own "entrance" onto the Citadel using that same method to get there, and it is hardly covert. The asari found it there. Was it always there? Who knows. The prothean scientist could have moved it to the presidium hoping that the organic would understand what it was, found the conduit, vigil etc etc. Who knows. ?? the mini-relay was already on the citadel. the scientist finished the relay on ilos, tha leave. Nobody knows what happend to them. Maybe they managed to leave the citadel too, who knows. Simply, they were too few to repopulate the galaxy. The catalyst ordered to the sovereign something like " come here and open the relay manually (because I can't) so the invasion can start as usual. Be discreet and act only when you are well prepared". Ha could have been perfectly aware about Sovereing actions and plans, but being the catalyst incapable of material action (or incapable of useful material action) he had to wait for the outcome of the attack. The citadel receive multiple imputs, signals, from different sources (from Sovereing, from the organics living there, from the catalyst, from Shepard using Vigil device etc). Signals are sent through the station, where they are "translated". They become citadel signals, emitted by the Citadel, and thus recognizable by the Keepers. The Prothean scientist altered the Citadel's Signals (plurals). Vigil exact quote. So, the signals emitted by the Citadel have been modified by the prothean scientist, as they see fit, in order to prevent the Keepers to execute certain orders from certain beings (sovering and it's ilk) - The Prothean scientist altered the Citadel's Signals - The Citadel is (part of) the Catalyst - The Prothean scientist altered (part of) the Calatyst's Signals Call as you want, hacking, alteration, but something happened. Could have happened. No plot holes here. OK, you're pointing out inconsistencies in the narrative by saying that "you need only assume..." and that the Catalyst "is badly intertwined with the Citadel" I'm not assuming a "perfect identify" for the Catalyst - I'm told by the Catalyst himself directly in the narrative "The Citadel is part of me." Inconsistencies are another defined aspect of a plot hole existing in the narrative. You are the one, by your own admission, still having to "assume" something (so then it's not explained by Bioware). You're saying "maybe the Relay Statue was always there" but Vigil indicates that it was the Prothean Scientists who built the Conduit which is the back door onto the Citadel. Firstly, Bioware does not indicate that the statue was always there... and the primary question remains even if it it was. How then did the Prothean scientists turn an inert statue into a mass relay without being there to put in the necessary eezo core, etc. You're still not getting the fact that I'm not arguing whether or not your assumptions are possible (they are)... but the fact that you have to resort to making them at all indicates that a plot hole exists in the narrative. I'm also saying that, within RPGs, creating room for people to interject their own assumptions and "solutions" to the narrative is part of the game. I'm saying media where the narrative is one sided (books, movies) need to close all plot holes (and we've been conditioned to view plot holes in that context), but in RPGs it's almost inevitable (and in some ways desirable and more engaging if some plot holes are left open for the player to play around with different theories for solving them. Your assumptions are not written in stone and they are certainly not the ONLY ones that can be made to resolve the plot holes that do exist in this game... and that's part of the game. Is the problem with the Catalyst that it is too serious a plot hole and too inconsistent with the previous narrative? Most people on this site have been saying so for years now. I agree with them. That doesn't mean I hate the endings - I still love them and enjoy playing around with the different theories people have made from it. I prefer the original ones to the EC precisely because they leave the ultimate outcomes for the galaxy less defined. We don't, for example, have Hackett comforting us by saying everything could be rebuilt... let's me imagine a far darker future for the Milky Way Galaxy if I want. Others don't enjoy that, so best practice then, for Bioware, would probably be to not try to go that far with leaving a plot hole open ever again... but I'd hate to see them close everything up so tight that there's no longer any room in the narrative for the player(s) to make a variety of different assumption and theories.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 11, 2018 16:43:38 GMT
Even though the catalyst isn't able to physically do anything about the little relay on the Citadel, it can tell one its reapers to destroy it. The protheans built the relay before the reapers started the harvest. The reason why the catalyst didn't order a reaper or an indoctrinated agent to destroy the relay is because the catalyst never existed until 10 minutes before Shepard destroys the reapers
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 16:58:53 GMT
Even though the catalyst isn't able to physically do anything about the little relay on the Citadel, it can tell one its reapers to destroy it. The protheans built the relay before the reapers started the harvest. The reason why the catalyst didn't order a reaper or an indoctrinated agent to destroy the relay is because the catalyst never existed until 10 minutes before Shepard destroys the reapers The Protheans built the relay before their harvest started? Doubt it and something certainly not stated by the narrative. I'm pretty sure the sequence goes that the Protheans were caught completely off guard by the attack on the Citadel that started the harvest. Their government fell almost immediately and communication across their empire was cut off. Ilos survived because they were isolated and the scientists were on the verge of figuring out how relays worked and were then able to work something out. We can expand a theory that the small relay was part of the testing being done to study the relays, but that's another assumption. That the Catalyst never existed until Shepard shows up contradicts the Leviathan DLC that clearly states it was created by them eons earlier. (The "Intelligence" that created the Reapers as a solution to their problem - which the Catalyst confirms is himself.) ETA: We could go way outside the original narrative and suggest that the Catalyst was a hack by another species (the Jaardan) that, in effect, replaced the Leviathan's "Intelligence" and was out to sabotage Shepard's efforts... and take the story forward from there. Perhaps the Jaardan have been at war with the Leviathan for Eons and the Scourge is the result of Leviathan attacking the Jaardan... Perhaps there is technology in Andromeda that would enable a hero from the Initiative to undo the timeline, undo the hack (eliminate the Catalyst as we know him) and reveal the true one, enabling Shepard to make a different decision... Perhaps an interesting concept, but one that, I'm sure, lots of people will enjoy shooting down... and I don't mind (have at it). It still doesn't actually eliminate the holes in the original narrative.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 11, 2018 18:01:57 GMT
If the protheans built the relay during the invasion, where did they build it? How did they get it on the Citadel without the reapers knowing?
Leviathan can say all it wants. The catalyst says it controls the reapers. Why didn't it have the reapers start traveling to the Milky Way when Sovereign first tried having the keepers open the Citadel relay? How much time past from when Sovereign first sent the signal to when it was destroyed? I wouldn't be surprised if it's much longer than the time it took for the reapers to travel to the Milky Way.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 18:10:55 GMT
If the protheans built the relay during the invasion, where did they build it? How did they get it on the Citadel without the reapers knowing? Leviathan can say all it wants. The catalyst says it controls the reapers. Why didn't it have the reapers start traveling to the Milky Way when Sovereign first tried having the keepers open the Citadel relay? How much time past from when Sovereign first sent the signal to when it was destroyed? I wouldn't be surprised if it's much longer than the time it took for the reapers to travel to the Milky Way. Exactly what I was questioning in my post previous to yours. Still, Vigil (Bioware) gives us that sequence of events in the narrative and Bioware tells us that the Catalyst controls the Reapers as well. Bioware could eventually decide to explain it and close their plot hole. Until then, as Vigil says - "We have only theories."
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Apr 11, 2018 20:16:06 GMT
I agree with the general concept of thread of the game lacking plot holes.
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Post by kalreegar on Apr 12, 2018 9:44:32 GMT
OK, you're pointing out inconsistencies in the narrative by saying that "you need only assume..." and that the Catalyst "is badly intertwined with the Citadel" I'm not assuming a "perfect identify" for the Catalyst - I'm told by the Catalyst himself directly in the narrative "The Citadel is part of me." your body is part of you but you are not always aware of everything happening to and in your body. Not even close. There is no logical contradiction between "x being part of y" and "y not being aware of something happening in/to x" You're saying "maybe the Relay Statue was always there" but Vigil indicates that it was the Prothean Scientists who built the Conduit which is the back door onto the Citadel. Firstly, Bioware does not indicate that the statue was always there... and the primary question remains even if it it was. How then did the Prothean scientists turn an inert statue into a mass relay without being there to put in the necessary eezo core, etc. Vigil said the that before the invasion protheans were very very close to understand the mass-realy tech, and that on ilos scientist were working on a small scale version of mass relay directly linked to the citadel. So the mini-portal was already there. So we can assume that when the invasion started, their work was almost finished, and after they wake up, they simply finished it, and used it. A mass relay need eezo to push you from A to B. Mass relay A need eezo, yes. Do mass relay B need eezo to "receive" you? Maybe not. Before the mako appears, the mass relay is empty. No eezo. Why/how did it activated? Who knows. Maybe the "energy" from portal A is enough. hy didn't it have the reapers start traveling to the Milky Way when Sovereign first tried having the keepers open the Citadel relay? How much time past from when Sovereign first sent the signal to when it was destroyed? I because taking the citadel + shot down relay network is their plan A. if sovering fails, they go with plan B, (as they've done). It's like "we use our spy inside the castle to open the gates. If he fails, we attack directly". A sound strategy. well, of course we need to assume that a. the catalyst didn't know about the prothean altering the signals. He only discovered it later, when the asari had already arrived or b. he knew but the prothean, altering the citadel signals and being the citadel part of him, altered his signals too, preventing him to communicate with the reapers/sovereing or c. something else
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Post by xassantex on Apr 12, 2018 15:05:37 GMT
what about pot holes? i notice many every time i play. That's why the Mako is so essential. Runs right over those things! I mean, just look at the Prothean skyway on Feros! ah, but you see i haven't yet played ME1 . After my current ME3 run i will ( after installing ALOT and what's not ). but i was half expecting a reference to Elaaden.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 12, 2018 16:03:39 GMT
That's why the Mako is so essential. Runs right over those things! I mean, just look at the Prothean skyway on Feros! ah, but you see i haven't yet played ME1 . After my current ME3 run i will ( after installing ALOT and what's not ). but i was half expecting a reference to Elaaden. Plot holes discussion here are more or less about the original trilogy. Elaaden wouldn't come into play. In one of by posts about my current play, I had my Shepard comment in a journal that there was talk of a faster "Mako" but it lost cannons to make that happen - and, no thanks.
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Post by xassantex on Apr 12, 2018 16:31:22 GMT
ah, but you see i haven't yet played ME1 . After my current ME3 run i will ( after installing ALOT and what's not ). but i was half expecting a reference to Elaaden. Plot holes discussion here are more or less about the original trilogy. Elaaden wouldn't come into play. In one of by posts about my current play, I had my Shepard comment in a journal that there was talk of a faster "Mako" but it lost cannons to make that happen - and, no thanks. ah, true enough. well, to go back to plot holes, i'm puzzled by small incongruities , like listening to mid XXth century elevator music in 2180something. ( well maybe it's like listening to Vivaldi at the grocery store , but still ). and those bulky sort of iPads and terminals . and pilots... they still need them ? they are minor aspects but they kind of disturb my immersion into an imagined future.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 12, 2018 18:39:16 GMT
and those bulky sort of iPads and terminals . and pilots... they still need them ? they are minor aspects but they kind of disturb my immersion into an imagined future. I don't know about terminals and such. I'd almost imagine omni-tools would replace all of that. However, maybe they're as is because of the fairly frequent influx of new species'. It makes it easier for them to adapt. (Total made up theory on the spot.) As for pilots...imagine you live in a society that's anti-AI. You wouldn't replace pilots with AI. Not sure a VI would be up to the task. After all, if you don't need pilots, you also don't need engineers. Maybe a captain but you wouldn't need an XO because the AI could watch the ship in your absence. Crew itself would be mostly irrelevant because the AI could do everything. Maybe you'd have a squad for ground battles, but why not use mechs and drones for that purpose? You can either accept that we need organics running the show or take it to its logical conclusion that they're unneeded entirely/
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 18:42:46 GMT
OK, you're pointing out inconsistencies in the narrative by saying that "you need only assume..." and that the Catalyst "is badly intertwined with the Citadel" I'm not assuming a "perfect identify" for the Catalyst - I'm told by the Catalyst himself directly in the narrative "The Citadel is part of me." your body is part of you but you are not always aware of everything happening to and in your body. Not even close. There is no logical contradiction between "x being part of y" and "y not being aware of something happening in/to x" You're saying "maybe the Relay Statue was always there" but Vigil indicates that it was the Prothean Scientists who built the Conduit which is the back door onto the Citadel. Firstly, Bioware does not indicate that the statue was always there... and the primary question remains even if it it was. How then did the Prothean scientists turn an inert statue into a mass relay without being there to put in the necessary eezo core, etc. Vigil said the that before the invasion protheans were very very close to understand the mass-realy tech, and that on ilos scientist were working on a small scale version of mass relay directly linked to the citadel. So the mini-portal was already there. So we can assume that when the invasion started, their work was almost finished, and after they wake up, they simply finished it, and used it. A mass relay need eezo to push you from A to B. Mass relay A need eezo, yes. Do mass relay B need eezo to "receive" you? Maybe not. Before the mako appears, the mass relay is empty. No eezo. Why/how did it activated? Who knows. Maybe the "energy" from portal A is enough. hy didn't it have the reapers start traveling to the Milky Way when Sovereign first tried having the keepers open the Citadel relay? How much time past from when Sovereign first sent the signal to when it was destroyed? I because taking the citadel + shot down relay network is their plan A. if sovering fails, they go with plan B, (as they've done). It's like "we use our spy inside the castle to open the gates. If he fails, we attack directly". A sound strategy. well, of course we need to assume that a. the catalyst didn't know about the prothean altering the signals. He only discovered it later, when the asari had already arrived or b. he knew but the prothean, altering the citadel signals and being the citadel part of him, altered his signals too, preventing him to communicate with the reapers/sovereing or c. something else Logic Flaw in Your Argument: I am not a computer. I don't "think like a machine." I am also aware of a great deal about what is going on inside my body... and if I'm uncertain, I don't ask my doctor to go to a neighboring city to do an MRI of my best friend to find the problem. I ask him to investigate the problem by scanning me. Why? Because scanning me is a far more logical thing to do than scanning my best friend in a neighboring city? We are told in the game that machines think logically, so why are the Catalyst and Sovereign (who we are also told outright is a machine under the control of the Catalyst), immune to that logical thinking just because the Catalyst is an advanced computer (an AI)? The Asari arrival has nothing to do with it being essentially impossible for the Protheans to magically use that statue as a relay to get them to the Citadel to alter the signals. We are told point blank by Vigil that this is what they did and they were then likely trapped on the Citadel without food and water as a result because the they could only make the Relay work in one direction. For them to get from Ilos to the Citadel, that Relay would have had to just appeared (like a Minecraft nether portal) and everything else in the game tells us that Relays don't just appear that way nor do they just start to function that way either. If they could just function that way, finding the Mu Relay would have been a simple matter of just activating it using another one already active in the system. We are told they work more like quantum entanglement in matched pairs (which is arbitrarily a two-way form of communication since one automatically gets excited when the other one does). There is absolutely nothing that suggests the receiving relay doesn't need Eezo to operate. In fact, the codex tells us that the rings "contain a blue glowing core of element zero" and we do clearly see that blue glowing core is active when the mako exits the relay on the Citadel. It's why Kaidan's teeth tingle when he's near the statue (and BTW, why doesn't Liara, Wrex and a biotic Shepard detect the same thing? - unexplained and a minor plot hole too). I'll repeat my point for the last time - just because you can think up an explanation to a plot hole, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist within the narrative written by the author. If you can think up a good explanation, it's a minor one. If you're left endlessly reaching for more explanation and the thing is important to the overall thrust of the story, then it is more likely to be a major plot hole. The "Things that Don't Make Sense" threads contains pages of discussion about plot holes in Mass Effect. Here are three articles on plot holes in general. You can agree or disagree with them, I don't care. You're entitled to your opinion. I am equally entitled to mine. You say there are no plot holes. I'm saying they are there and it's the players/readers who are coming up with the explanations that fix them... and that's what enables the wide variety of explanations we see floating around here. screencraft.org/2018/03/09/do-you-know-the-five-different-types-of-plot-holes/inkandquills.com/2017/05/29/plot-hole/www.well-storied.com/blog/plot-holes
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Post by xassantex on Apr 13, 2018 1:54:54 GMT
and those bulky sort of iPads and terminals . and pilots... they still need them ? they are minor aspects but they kind of disturb my immersion into an imagined future. I don't know about terminals and such. I'd almost imagine omni-tools would replace all of that. However, maybe they're as is because of the fairly frequent influx of new species'. It makes it easier for them to adapt. (Total made up theory on the spot.) As for pilots...imagine you live in a society that's anti-AI. You wouldn't replace pilots with AI. Not sure a VI would be up to the task. After all, if you don't need pilots, you also don't need engineers. Maybe a captain but you wouldn't need an XO because the AI could watch the ship in your absence. Crew itself would be mostly irrelevant because the AI could do everything. Maybe you'd have a squad for ground battles, but why not use mechs and drones for that purpose? You can either accept that we need organics running the show or take it to its logical conclusion that they're unneeded entirely/ yeah, i guess. And i guess Shepard is too fond of Joker to break his heart and let EDI fly the Normandy. That made me look up the space shuttle and i found an article relating debates as whether NASA should do away with pilots altogether. One of the reasons against it was " pilots want to fly it" and also the fact that it looked good to the public, having astronauts landing the thing etc. ( space shuttle )
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 13, 2018 2:31:01 GMT
And i guess Shepard is too fond of Joker to break his heart and let EDI fly the Normandy. This is your plot hole. If not for Joker, Shepard wouldn't have died in the first place. Why would Shepard be overly fond of him?
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Post by xassantex on Apr 13, 2018 18:55:51 GMT
And i guess Shepard is too fond of Joker to break his heart and let EDI fly the Normandy. This is your plot hole. If not for Joker, Shepard wouldn't have died in the first place. Why would Shepard be overly fond of him? hidden crush ?
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