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Post by ctr2yellowbird on Apr 20, 2018 12:14:19 GMT
Scope makes a huge difference on GPR, which I use on my GE. (Damage amp is probably best, but I just burn my armor slot anyways.) Scope makes it practical and easy to hit 10 consecutive, full auto, low damage headshots on easy targets whereas without scope 2/10 headshots is more realistic. Scope's innate accuracy boost and slight zoom both contribute to that. What's more, in the case of the GPR, scope makes tracking moving targets and the transition between targets (while not breaking ADS) much crisper than without. Besides, my primary goal with that class is to proc incendiary ammo and use Overload as much as possible, not necessarily to kill via weapon. Flavor class, but a sleeper too. Also a class from my noobdom, very much elevated with the switch to incendiary ammo using consumables. I've found scope is also useful on weapons that are accurate but perhaps not pinpoint accurate like the Carnifex and Saber. However, since those weapons are already accurate enough, scope feels suboptimal when I could instead run damage + pierce on the Saber and HB + pierce/amp on the Carnifex rather than lose one of piercing, damage, or a proc effect.
I also used scope on Mattock TSol and uploaded this video two months after release lol... Silver on pre-patch FB White. Very vintage! This was in response to everyone at the time saying the Mattock was unuseable garbage.
Apparently, I equipped scope to my HSol's Mattock a few months ago when I was knocking off a bunch of weapon challenges with her. The damage gained from more hits overall and many more headshots with the Mattock was equivalent to or better than the alternatives, and it feels better to live or die by my own skills than spray and pray, even if damage was ultimately a wash.
I don't care about thermal scope, though. As if snipers' built-in zoom wasn't already too high...
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Post by GruntKitterhand on Apr 20, 2018 12:38:15 GMT
Krysae or Kishock - less point in using a Geth Scanner with either of them so why not? Also, does having other than default Kishock low-power scope help alleviate that weird cant-get-out-of-cover bug? Serious question. Nope. Thermal scope does give a decent boost to accuracy though, so it's a nice fit on the BatSent, on whom that bug can actually work quite nicely combined with SubNet. And to be clear, after my earlier comment, the scope is to cope with Cerberus smoke, not to magically create piercing (or headshot) capabilities. Kishock has plenty of ammo anyway, leaving the Ultralight mode as the only other contender, and I doubt if I've ever equipped it a single time.
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Post by mylkoo on Apr 20, 2018 13:10:40 GMT
This was in response to everyone at the time saying the Mattock was unuseable garbage. I applaud your skills and persistance to sculpt a decent gun out of Mattock; however all these low to mid-power fast firing semi-auto guns (along with Raptor) are inherently terrible due to their CTS-inducing mechanics. I mean every game nowadays does have some of these, from Division marksman rifles through Battlefront blasters to Destiny scout rifles, and I hate them unequivocally. The only thing they're good for is slowly destroying your tendons...
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Post by BlackMage on Apr 20, 2018 14:57:26 GMT
This was in response to everyone at the time saying the Mattock was unuseable garbage. I applaud your skills and persistance to sculpt a decent gun out of Mattock; however all these low to mid-power fast firing semi-auto guns (along with Raptor) are inherently terrible due to their CTS-inducing mechanics. I mean every game nowadays does have some of these, from Division marksman rifles through Battlefront blasters to Destiny scout rifles, and I hate them unequivocally. The only thing they're good for is slowly destroying your tendons... One word - auto-fire-macro It's crazy to use any gun that can induce CTS without the macro. You can slow down the ROF to your normal firing speed if you think the macro gives you an unfair advantage.
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Post by mylkoo on Apr 20, 2018 15:20:25 GMT
One word - auto-fire-macro You know, I do actually have that AHK script from the old forum somewhere on some backup disk... Since I forgot about it, I haven't used those hell-spawn clicky guns; might look for it for the lolz.
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Post by inert on Apr 20, 2018 15:22:41 GMT
This was in response to everyone at the time saying the Mattock was unuseable garbage. I applaud your skills and persistance to sculpt a decent gun out of Mattock; however all these low to mid-power fast firing semi-auto guns (along with Raptor) are inherently terrible due to their CTS-inducing mechanics. I mean every game nowadays does have some of these, from Division marksman rifles through Battlefront blasters to Destiny scout rifles, and I hate them unequivocally. The only thing they're good for is slowly destroying your tendons... Try it with a controller. My secret is to embrace the pain. When Sonashii says Vindicator, I say how high? y'know. Equip the Predator (or Mattock if headed to Plat) and brace yourself for the feels.
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Post by mylkoo on Apr 20, 2018 15:43:53 GMT
I applaud your skills and persistance to sculpt a decent gun out of Mattock; however all these low to mid-power fast firing semi-auto guns (along with Raptor) are inherently terrible due to their CTS-inducing mechanics. I mean every game nowadays does have some of these, from Division marksman rifles through Battlefront blasters to Destiny scout rifles, and I hate them unequivocally. The only thing they're good for is slowly destroying your tendons... Try it with a controller. My secret is to embrace the pain. When Sonashii says Vindicator, I say how high? y'know. Equip the Predator (or Mattock if headed to Plat) and brace yourself for the feels.Now that is borderline masochistic, ain't it..? So why not go full monty, with sound off, b&w crt monitor while heavy torrenting in the background and mining crypto on the gpu..?
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Post by inert on Apr 20, 2018 15:54:13 GMT
Try it with a controller. My secret is to embrace the pain. When Sonashii says Vindicator, I say how high? y'know. Equip the Predator (or Mattock if headed to Plat) and brace yourself for the feels.Now that is borderline masochistic, ain't it..? So why not go full monty, with sound off, b&w crt monitor while heavy torrenting in the background and mining crypto on the gpu..? I like this human, he understands.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Apr 20, 2018 16:51:39 GMT
Scope makes a huge difference on GPR, which I use on my GE. (Damage amp is probably best, but I just burn my armor slot anyways.) Scope makes it practical and easy to hit 10 consecutive, full auto, low damage headshots on easy targets whereas without scope 2/10 headshots is more realistic. Scope's innate accuracy boost and slight zoom both contribute to that. What's more, in the case of the GPR, scope makes tracking moving targets and the transition between targets (while not breaking ADS) much crisper than without. Besides, my primary goal with that class is to proc incendiary ammo and use Overload as much as possible, not necessarily to kill via weapon. Flavor class, but a sleeper too. Also a class from my noobdom, very much elevated with the switch to incendiary ammo using consumables. I've found scope is also useful on weapons that are accurate but perhaps not pinpoint accurate like the Carnifex and Saber. However, since those weapons are already accurate enough, scope feels suboptimal when I could instead run damage + pierce on the Saber and HB + pierce/amp on the Carnifex rather than lose one of piercing, damage, or a proc effect.
I also used scope on Mattock TSol and uploaded this video two months after release lol... Silver on pre-patch FB White. Very vintage! This was in response to everyone at the time saying the Mattock was unuseable garbage.
Apparently, I equipped scope to my HSol's Mattock a few months ago when I was knocking off a bunch of weapon challenges with her. The damage gained from more hits overall and many more headshots with the Mattock was equivalent to or better than the alternatives, and it feels better to live or die by my own skills than spray and pray, even if damage was ultimately a wash.
I don't care about thermal scope, though. As if snipers' built-in zoom wasn't already too high...
Stopped reading at GPR... The thing has perfect stability.... Why on the Goddess' blue earth would you need to scope that? Tight aim, penetration mod and HVB with Warp Ammo or GTFO.
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Post by vastator on Apr 20, 2018 16:58:38 GMT
I've just had a game with everyone using scopes, and i felt really embarrassed because i was not using one for my falcon ! It would have been really useful, as much as putting a scope on the scorpion There was also a duo with scoped spitfires. The last time i put a scope on it i finished the game with an headache. I should try that again, since one of those gentlemen was wrecking stuff with that Spitfire. Scopes do great things for bullethoses like Spitfire and Typhoon and/or turn already powerful ARs like Harrier and Valkyrie into headshot machines. What also helps is having high-res monitor (2.5 K and over), lil triangle out of post-it paper glued to its crosshair middle, hunched back and bloodshot eyes being irradiated in its very close vicinity. Yeah, quite powerful!
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Post by Alfonsedode on Apr 20, 2018 18:08:57 GMT
BPP (on TSol): with stabilization sorted out, scope makes it excellent at headshotting mooks at long range. lol, u sure about a smg scope ? i thought there wasnt one. But nobody answered my stupid question. If u equip the scope for accuracy, but dont want to scope (tunnel vision and stuff), do u still get the bonus ?
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Post by NinjaSuperiority on Apr 20, 2018 18:48:04 GMT
BPP (on TSol): with stabilization sorted out, scope makes it excellent at headshotting mooks at long range. lol, u sure about a smg scope ? i thought there wasnt one. But nobody answered my stupid question. If u equip the scope for accuracy, but dont want to scope (tunnel vision and stuff), do u still get the bonus ? I remember trying that out with said smg's(tempest too) and felt no difference when not zooming
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Post by Alfonsedode on Apr 20, 2018 19:08:25 GMT
now i remember that argus thread back in the old days, that was top notch bsn BS over 100 pages , but still, argus with scope and stability was a joy to use and watch in the right hands
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Post by Sonashii on Apr 20, 2018 20:49:15 GMT
Okay, I don't want to quote anything while I'm on my mobile. First thing - I kinda misunderstood the OP question. I thought it was about scoping in general lol. But if it comes down to scope mods, I'm still a virgin in that department I used it once on Executioner and it was okay. But in general, I don't need them. I like to think I'm a decent shot haha. But there's always room for new experiences. Inert- now you made me want to do some shitty weapons games again. I mean, I like Mattock. It's anything but shitty in my book. Also I don't use any macros. So how about London/Condor plat game, with Vorcha Hunters and Mattocks with scope mods? I'll be back Monday though. Yesterday Vas, Lvca, Senor and I went full Scimitar on plat. It was quite funny experience. Especially thanks to my ISP who throttled my connection (I had 1mbps for about 2h) and me being slightly intoxicated I have some footage. But I didn't use any scope mods
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Apr 20, 2018 21:36:35 GMT
I will edit OP to make distinct using scope mods/tight aim.
I am not talking about tight aim. I do that all day on all weapons, except the hipfire machines (Revvay, BPP). I do not use Pistol Scope, Sniper Rifle Vanilla or Thermal Scope, AR Scope/Thermal, or SMG Scope (I can't even remember if this exists).
I am curious about the BPP scoped build, but I don't have high hopes TBH. My aim has gone from turrible to excellent over time, the change is remarkable honestly, so IMO aim > scope.
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Post by Vormav on Apr 21, 2018 2:11:16 GMT
There was a time when I'd equip a scope if the game was preset to Cerb for dealing with their smoke. I don't bother doing that anymore, though.
I do use scopes on assault rifles that have horrible accuracy. A scoped CAR is probably my favourite weapon on the Quarksman because it has no recoil issues to be amplified by MM and the stacked accuracy boosts turn it into a deadly GPR. Add adrenaline 3 to the decent kill speed and you don't have to worry about the fishbowl effect too much.
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Post by vastator on Apr 21, 2018 9:00:23 GMT
I am curious about the BPP scoped build, but I don't have high hopes TBH. My aim has gone from turrible to excellent over time, the change is remarkable honestly, so IMO aim > scope. This is the build for "broken" turian stability (you can use it also on the quarian) linkI have tested it (on a gip), and unfortunately the BPP is not 100% tamed, so you have to deal with a bit of ramp-up, mainly on the 8th shot. But you can still do good at medium/long range. In order to reduce completely the stability problems you need to have the turian stability bonus (this way you can also replace the barrage upgrade, since not needed anymore for the stab. bonus). And, i can confirm, it's excellent at medium/long range. Here's a pic Firing spot: Bullet spread BPP (on TSol): with stabilization sorted out, scope makes it excellent at headshotting mooks at long range. lol, u sure about a smg scope ? i thought there wasnt one. But nobody answered my stupid question. If u equip the scope for accuracy, but dont want to scope (tunnel vision and stuff), do u still get the bonus ? No, but at least you have no hipfire penalty.
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Post by K_O_513 on Apr 21, 2018 13:41:15 GMT
Scope is fine but I prefer Listerine
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Apr 21, 2018 13:47:42 GMT
Scope is fine but I prefer Listerine Feel the burn!
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Post by MrsFlyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyingKebab on Apr 21, 2018 17:39:31 GMT
I replied yes, but I can't remember when or why or what on. I think its mostly if I have nothing else to wear.. I don't like an empty slot #gonebacktobronze #scrublife
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Post by Melkino on Apr 21, 2018 20:18:53 GMT
Scope mods don't click with me at all...they throw off my aim, and zooming in and out with it tends to make me dizzy or have a headache later. Getting headshots with an unscoped weapon (usually a pistol) is much easier for me anyway, and I'd rather use the slot for something else like a power amp or armor piercing. I tried an enhanced scope on an offhost Kishock mainly as filler, but I couldn't tell if the accuracy boost was helping it very much
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Post by Shinobu on Apr 22, 2018 16:23:44 GMT
I generally hate the CAR, but recently found that TSol + scope make it bearable.
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Post by q5tyhj on Apr 23, 2018 4:03:46 GMT
I honestly don't think I've ever equipped one in a MP game. Maybe when I just started out, like when you only have 1 or 2 mods unlocked and so just use them even if they aren't very useful, but that'd be it.
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Post by Pearl on Apr 23, 2018 8:53:12 GMT
Dunno, never tried it. I can safely say the scope mods are the only ones I've never used after something like 1500 hours. Don't think I'll start any time soon either.
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Post by RoystonVasey63 on Apr 23, 2018 9:21:06 GMT
Yes I do use a scope, mostly on the Arc Pistol and the M-11 Suppressor (with the Asari Adept - gotta love 'Stasis' for popping brainpans ) when I'm completing the headshot challenge via solos.
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