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Post by griffith82 on Apr 26, 2018 20:02:01 GMT
If that's what they want to do, go for it. 4 games for $60.00. Ha! You’re dreaming at that price. 4 games plus dlc? You’d be lucky at $79.99.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 20:10:43 GMT
If that's what they want to do, go for it. 4 games for $60.00. Ha! You’re dreaming at that price. 4 games plus dlc? You’d be lucky at $79.99. Agreed. What I was getting at is that if they boxed everything, it wouldn't "prove' anything regarding relative current popularity of the MW vs. Andromeda as a setting. IMO, it would prove very little anyways since people who would buy a remaster aren't necessarily agreeing to a canon ending of the Trilogy to move forward either. I would expect a certain percentage of new players to fall into either camp there.
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 26, 2018 20:14:21 GMT
Ha! You’re dreaming at that price. 4 games plus dlc? You’d be lucky at $79.99. Agreed. What I was getting at is that if they boxed everything, it wouldn't "prove' anything regarding relative current popularity of the MW vs. Andromeda as a setting. IMO, it would prove very little anyways since people who would buy a remaster aren't necessarily agreeing to a canon ending of the Trilogy to move forward either. I would expect a certain percentage of new players to fall into either camp there. Agreed.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 26, 2018 20:22:33 GMT
Ha! You’re dreaming at that price. 4 games plus dlc? You’d be lucky at $79.99. No dreaming.. The $60 is for the trilogy and all dlc. They throw MEA in for free knowing that might be the only way to get people to play the game.
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 26, 2018 20:33:49 GMT
Ha! You’re dreaming at that price. 4 games plus dlc? You’d be lucky at $79.99. No dreaming.. The $60 is for the trilogy and all dlc. They throw MEA in for free knowing that might be the only way to get people to play the game.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Apr 26, 2018 20:41:52 GMT
If that's what they want to do, go for it. 4 games for $60.00. Ha! You’re dreaming at that price. 4 games plus dlc? You’d be lucky at $79.99. Well Microsoft did release that Rare Replay 30th Anniversary Collection that had 30 games in the collection for $30. Now granted the youngest game in that set was what 10 years old at least? And Capcom has released the Megaman Collection 1 and 2 and a Megaman X Collection for about $30-$40 apiece and again these are much older games.
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 26, 2018 20:44:39 GMT
Ha! You’re dreaming at that price. 4 games plus dlc? You’d be lucky at $79.99. Well Microsoft did release that Rare Replay 30th Anniversary Collection that had 30 games in the collection for $30. Now granted the youngest game in that set was what 10 years old at least? And Capcom has released the Megaman Collection 1 and 2 and a Megaman X Collection for about $30-$40 apiece and again these are much older games. I remember that. Good collection too. But I do think it might be a different scenario here.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 20:45:07 GMT
Ha! You’re dreaming at that price. 4 games plus dlc? You’d be lucky at $79.99. No dreaming.. The $60 is for the trilogy and all dlc. They throw MEA in for free knowing that might be the only way to get people to play the game. Still wouldn't prove anything. I think if they did a remaster now, chances are pretty good they would include ME:A in the set since the costs of including it to them would be relatively minor. I see new blind playthroughs still appearing on Youtube, so some people out there are still buying the game, even when not boxed with the Trilogy. The only way for the ME:A "sales figure" debate to be ended on here is if EA/Bioware decides to release actual figures (highly unlikely). As for price point - that's up to them to set and I'd really hesitate to predict a price point on something that probably won't get released for another 2 years anyways.
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 26, 2018 22:04:06 GMT
You guys already know that I believe going backwards and cannonizing an ending to be a mistake. On top of my belief that they need to finish what they started in Andromeda, cannonizing an ending nullifies all player choice. Plus MW is done. My point is that pointing out a problem with one solution doesn't in itself say anything. You have to establish that another solution is preferable. Or maybe all options are mistakes and the franchise is toast. Is Andromeda 2 commercially viable now? Would it ever be? I have doubts. Going by the last investors call, Andromeda seems to have done better then what the internet is giving it credit for. If that is the case I think it proves that whiners on YouTube don't do as much damage as they think to impact a games sales. Quoting Andrew Wilson during that investors call . Now I think that means the internet rage probably did impact overall sales, but I think it doesn't mean that Andromeda or future sequels cannot be viable in the market. Especially if they learn from the mistakes then made with Andromeda.
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 27, 2018 13:14:46 GMT
My point is that pointing out a problem with one solution doesn't in itself say anything. You have to establish that another solution is preferable. Or maybe all options are mistakes and the franchise is toast. Is Andromeda 2 commercially viable now? Would it ever be? I have doubts. Going by the last investors call, Andromeda seems to have done better then what the internet is giving it credit for. If that is the case I think it proves that whiners on YouTube don't do as much damage as they think to impact a games sales. Quoting Andrew Wilson during that investors call . Now I think that means the internet rage probably did impact overall sales, but I think it doesn't mean that Andromeda or future sequels cannot be viable in the market. Especially if they learn from the mistakes then made with Andromeda. Agreed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 17:38:14 GMT
If that's what they want to do, go for it. 4 games for $60.00. Ha! You’re dreaming at that price. 4 games plus dlc? You’d be lucky at $79.99. Re-mastering the trilogy would be a pretty big undertaking. They'd first have to decide whether to move it all to FB or keep it on Unreal (which would likely require significant changes for newer gen consoles). I would expect huge changes to the first game, including major modifications to combat (to bring it into alignment with the later games), and probably mako handling (along with planetary terrain). They might replace some of the heavily repeated mines and outbuildings on planets with differentiated designs. They would also need to rebuild Pinnacle Station from scratch (it's never been available on PS3 because the source code was lost/corrupted). That isn't something you'd toss in some bargain bin collection on the cheap. They might not try to charge the full current price of a new game, but I'd be surprised if they could offer it at a lower price point than $30-$40 range. That's one game (with its DLC). What they've done with the trilogy packages thus far is to include some, but not all, of the DLC. For example, the trilogy package includes Zaeed and LotSB, but not Kasumi, Arrival, or the weapon and appearance packs, and they include none of ME3's DLC. I purchased the trilogy packages (on both PS3 and PC), and ended up spending far more on DLC than on the original package. Separate DLC sales is a huge revenue opportunity for them, one that I wouldn't expect them to easily forfeit. I do think they could do well with a re-master of the trilogy, but perhaps not quite yet. PS5-6 and XboxTwo/whatever might be better targets.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 27, 2018 17:53:13 GMT
I say remaster the trilogy. If it sells better than Andromeda, I believe it would, then Bioware knows to continue in the Milky Way. I'm not sure that logic really follows though. People don't really love Mass Effect because of the Milky Way; they love it primarily because of the cast of characters, the stories and Shepard. There's obviously appeal in the thin veneer of familiarity with the sections of space we visit, but if we got this Milky Way-set game with the same level of quality and writing as Andromeda, would the people who dislike that game really care for the hypothetical one? Of all the problems that may have affected the game's success, the Andromeda setting itself, I believe, was simply not one of them. If anything, it allowed for a greater level of narrative freedom that no location in the Milky Way could ever offer post-ME3. Whether or not the writers actually make the most of that freedom is a separate matter. If they couldn't do it here, chances are fair that they wouldn't have much success with the old backdrop either.
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Post by warden on Apr 27, 2018 18:30:15 GMT
Ha! You’re dreaming at that price. 4 games plus dlc? You’d be lucky at $79.99. Re-mastering the trilogy would be a pretty big undertaking. They'd first have to decide whether to move it all to FB or keep it on Unreal (which would likely require significant changes for newer gen consoles). I would expect huge changes to the first game, including major modifications to combat (to bring it into alignment with the later games), and probably mako handling (along with planetary terrain). They might replace some of the heavily repeated mines and outbuildings on planets with differentiated designs. They would also need to rebuild Pinnacle Station from scratch (it's never been available on PS3 because the source code was lost/corrupted). That isn't something you'd toss in some bargain bin collection on the cheap. They might not try to charge the full current price of a new game, but I'd be surprised if they could offer it at a lower price point than $30-$40 range. That's one game (with its DLC). What they've done with the trilogy packages thus far is to include some, but not all, of the DLC. For example, the trilogy package includes Zaeed and LotSB, but not Kasumi, Arrival, or the weapon and appearance packs, and they include none of ME3's DLC. I purchased the trilogy packages (on both PS3 and PC), and ended up spending far more on DLC than on the original package. Separate DLC sales is a huge revenue opportunity for them, one that I wouldn't expect them to easily forfeit. I do think they could do well with a re-master of the trilogy, but perhaps not quite yet. PS5-6 and XboxTwo/whatever might be better targets. You are expecting more of a remake than a remaster, remaster is just a couple of filters, a bit of upscaling and resolution, some tweaks on textures and that's it, plus all in game content packed together. the second is what some people wants, you are just asking for another thing completely.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Apr 27, 2018 21:45:17 GMT
Things is, yes I prefer the Milky Way... but the way ME3 ended it would not be possible to have any new adventures set there without railroading people's choices at the end (unless of course they went with the Indoctrination Theory and made a canon ending, although that in and off itself is railroading I suppose). I'm very hard-core about choices mattering, so I wouldn't want them to remove people's endings. They could have made a prequel I guess, but it wouldn't have felt as impactful. So, with how ME3 ended, I think Andromeda was the right decision.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 22:05:38 GMT
Firstly, there's no such thing as getting tired of Fruit Loops. This metaphor is bad and Jack O'Neill should feel bad. But anyway, I think the metaphor doesn't really get to the real problem with all those hundreds of millions of stars. The real question is: how do you go to these other stars without touching the ones we've already affected? The obvious solution is a prequel, since a prequel allows us to go anywhere. Then the question becomes: will players want it? I wonder how people would feel if BioWare just straight up gave the idyllic retcon solution and gave us a post-war Destroy setting that simply wipes the reapers clean from the setting, but keeps every other faction, including the geth. Personally I'd be just fine with that. It kinda goes with my sad little headcanon that I used when doing the Citadel DLC lol Well maybe you don't get tired of Fruit Loops, but I'm the kind of guy who can't eat or play the same game with the same setting, with the same cast or even references to them. I wanted something completely different. There wasn't going to be a sequel to ME3, no matter how much people wanted one, because it was a trilogy. As for the choices and consequences, those were due to the many previous cycles influence on the Crucible's design. Not everyone believed that destroying the Reapers was the best solution. They had people sabotaging the project in the previous cycle, and I'm quite certain it happened many times in the past. That's why there's all those tacked on consequences. Someone who sabotaged the project obviously didn't like machines or advanced technology, so they made it so the Crucible took away that too. Mass Effect has always been about making a choice, and living with the consequences, no matter how horrifying or silly they might be. I see that some people don't like the consequences and wish they weren't as hard to swallow, but it simply doesn't work like that.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 27, 2018 22:25:00 GMT
It was learned that the one's who sabotaged the project, during the prothean cycle, were indoctrinated. Take that away, the protheans might have succeeded in destroying the reapers
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 1:46:44 GMT
Security was a bit lax on the project it seems. They didn't keep it as close-knit as possible. I'm sure it doesn't just extend to the Prothean cycle, but even many cycles before had traitors and Reaper agents working secretly on this device to sabotage it. Pretty much impossible to prevent, due to the strength of the Reaper's indoctrination.
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Post by Pearl on Apr 28, 2018 2:33:04 GMT
Going by the last investors call, Andromeda seems to have done better then what the internet is giving it credit for. If that is the case I think it proves that whiners on YouTube don't do as much damage as they think to impact a games sales. Quoting Andrew Wilson during that investors call . Now I think that means the internet rage probably did impact overall sales, but I think it doesn't mean that Andromeda or future sequels cannot be viable in the market. Especially if they learn from the mistakes then made with Andromeda. Mass Effect is still a massively popular franchise despite the mixed reception of Andromeda. It'll take more than one dud to completely destroy its commercial viability, but I think EA is going to err on the side of caution and wait at least another year or two for things to blow over before making any publicly visible moves regarding the IP. The figurative wounds are still fairly fresh since it's barely been over a year since Andromeda released, and there's still that book on the Quarian ark that's coming out later this year, so I imagine they'll be watching the reaction to that pretty closely, and shaping any future marketing efforts accordingly. People have accused EA of being many things over the years, and rightfully so in most cases, but they're not stupid enough to risk one of their biggest brands so soon after it took a pretty significant battering in the press, especially when the studio that created it has other big-ticket releases to focus on. All we can really do is hope the next Mass Effect project is a strong return to form, regardless of the who/what/when/where/why/how.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Apr 28, 2018 3:29:54 GMT
Well, this is kind of a strange question. I would prefer finishing open story lines in Andromeda before returning to the Milky Way. So I prefer, both ahaha! Also I didn't vote. I took the first option, which isn't really an option, but it serves my purposes. Me too as I have no opinion either but personally I'd prefer Bioware to finish what they started in Andromeda before they moved onto anything else assuming they do continue ME
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 28, 2018 3:49:00 GMT
I took the first option, which isn't really an option, but it serves my purposes. Me too as I have no opinion either but personally I'd prefer Bioware to finish what they started in Andromeda before they moved onto anything else assuming they do continue ME If they're iffy about the setting they could come up with a way to tie the AI to the Milky Way. Maybe a giant new mass effect relay. It would be mindblowing if the "ending" they returned to was Refusal and the entire galaxy was empty. It would be an interesting way for the Reapers to both be gone by then and have all the "extinct" races still alive. Just musing but that would be a way to be VERY prepared for the next cycle in ways the Reapers could never have imagined. If I were to go with this (and this is totally off the top of my head right now), I could imagine tying the kett into it all. Yes, they're dangerous to us, but maybe they're immune to indoctrination or huskification? Could be their goal is to protect everyone from the Reapers but they've sort of become such believers of it that they force everyone to convert, like it or not. It would tie Andromeda and the Milky Way together in an unusual way. Not sure this would ever work, or even please everyone, but like I said it's just an idea that popped into my head.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 28, 2018 3:55:22 GMT
Not sure this would ever work, or even please everyone, but like I said it's just an idea that popped into my head. Nothing wrong with that. Until Bioware/EA confirms that another ME game is being developed, everything is speculation.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 28, 2018 4:33:11 GMT
Firstly, there's no such thing as getting tired of Fruit Loops. This metaphor is bad and Jack O'Neill should feel bad. But anyway, I think the metaphor doesn't really get to the real problem with all those hundreds of millions of stars. The real question is: how do you go to these other stars without touching the ones we've already affected? The obvious solution is a prequel, since a prequel allows us to go anywhere. Then the question becomes: will players want it? I wonder how people would feel if BioWare just straight up gave the idyllic retcon solution and gave us a post-war Destroy setting that simply wipes the reapers clean from the setting, but keeps every other faction, including the geth. Personally I'd be just fine with that. It kinda goes with my sad little headcanon that I used when doing the Citadel DLC lol Well maybe you don't get tired of Fruit Loops, but I'm the kind of guy who can't eat or play the same game with the same setting, with the same cast or even references to them. I wanted something completely different. There wasn't going to be a sequel to ME3, no matter how much people wanted one, because it was a trilogy. As for the choices and consequences, those were due to the many previous cycles influence on the Crucible's design. Not everyone believed that destroying the Reapers was the best solution. They had people sabotaging the project in the previous cycle, and I'm quite certain it happened many times in the past. That's why there's all those tacked on consequences. Someone who sabotaged the project obviously didn't like machines or advanced technology, so they made it so the Crucible took away that too. Mass Effect has always been about making a choice, and living with the consequences, no matter how horrifying or silly they might be. I see that some people don't like the consequences and wish they weren't as hard to swallow, but it simply doesn't work like that. It's not so much having consequences I don't like, but rather having them occur while having no real reason for it to happen within the story. When the consequence of a choice feels horribly contrived or arbitrary, it ceases to feel meaningful.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 4:35:28 GMT
Me too as I have no opinion either but personally I'd prefer Bioware to finish what they started in Andromeda before they moved onto anything else assuming they do continue ME If they're iffy about the setting they could come up with a way to tie the AI to the Milky Way. Maybe a giant new mass effect relay. It would be mindblowing if the "ending" they returned to was Refusal and the entire galaxy was empty. It would be an interesting way for the Reapers to both be gone by then and have all the "extinct" races still alive. Just musing but that would be a way to be VERY prepared for the next cycle in ways the Reapers could never have imagined. If I were to go with this (and this is totally off the top of my head right now), I could imagine tying the kett into it all. Yes, they're dangerous to us, but maybe they're immune to indoctrination or huskification? Could be their goal is to protect everyone from the Reapers but they've sort of become such believers of it that they force everyone to convert, like it or not. It would tie Andromeda and the Milky Way together in an unusual way. Not sure this would ever work, or even please everyone, but like I said it's just an idea that popped into my head. It's similar to what I've been suggesting. The only difference I see is that you're opting to declare refuse as a cannon ending (making it so that the player is told that Shepard could not have done anything else). I'm suggesting that the AI comes back to an empty galaxy, but the cause of that is either not specified or is specified to have come after a period of time that Shepard did any one of the choices presented. I was also suggesting that the vehicle to get the AI back could be Meridian itself since we have no real idea how fast it can travel through space. The other obvious Relay in Andromeda is the Nexus itself, which according to Cora should have been finished being built by the time Hyperion arrived. Theoretically then, it would not take them very long to finish it and make it operational after the events of ME:A.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 28, 2018 5:18:36 GMT
IF the MW is empty, what's the point of coming back to it?
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 28, 2018 5:21:11 GMT
IF the MW is empty, what's the point of coming back to it? There's no point regardless. Or, optionally, the Leviathan might survive the cycle the way they always do. A potential threat for the ex-AI.
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