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Post by The Arbiter on Apr 20, 2018 15:14:04 GMT
I have been in a long hiatus, lately all I have been doing is playing Overwatch and some studies... then all I read in the news is "LOOT BOX" and non-stop "BATTLE ROYALE".
it's been a long time... too long. Whether we like it or not, Andromeda did not do well. I wonder how on Earth will this franchise move forward... I don't really want to see it die like this or become a cliche mainstream crap cash-grab low cost game. This game was legendary way back too many memories for me. Personally, I'd really like to go back to the Milky Way no matter what direction they take (they can even make it more dark for all I care).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2018 15:29:44 GMT
I have been in a long hiatus, lately all I have been doing is playing Overwatch and some studies... then all I read in the news is "LOOT BOX" and non-stop "BATTLE ROYALE". it's been a long time... too long. Whether we like it or not, Andromeda did not do well. I wonder how on Earth will this franchise move forward... I don't really want to see it die like this or become a cliche mainstream crap cash-grab low cost game. This game was legendary way back too many memories for me. Personally, I'd really like to go back to the Milky Way no matter what direction they take (they can even make it more dark for all I care). I've stated my preference several times on other threads. In a nutshell, I would prefer to see them move the story forward inclusive of the story that they started in Andromeda and have the AI return to the Milky Way at a point in time where the Milky Way is so changed that the effects of ME3 endings need no longer be readily apparent so that all ME3 endings remain possible and no singular ending is declared canon. The event/disaster that could cause such a change to the Milky Way could be the scourge itself. It would mean 1) Shepard is at least 600 years dead, but that does not preclude a new player character who has personality traits that are "Shepard-like." 2) It would facilitate the introduction of a Milky Way player character who is non-human and even, perhaps, from an entirely new species or of a species derived from the old Milky Way species. The old Milky Way species would now be extinct in the Milky Way, but would still exist in Andromeda (unaffected by ME3 endings) and be among the group from the AI returning to the Milky Way. Some Angara, Remnant and even Kett could also join the AI on the trip back, so we'd gain them as species rather than lose them. 3) It opens up an entirely new story and gives Bioware the freedom to write something completely new, unfettered by any of the old "baggage" from either the Trilogy or ME:A. They can be as selective as they like in what "easter egg"-like references they make to their previous games. I accept that numerous people here simply don't like this idea... please don't get on my case about it (again). I'm not likely to change my mind about it being my preference. Also, you don't really have a poll option that describes returning to the Milky Way from Andromeda, so I won't vote. ETA: Sorry for accidentally quoting the OP.
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Post by natetrace on Apr 20, 2018 16:35:44 GMT
Well, this is kind of a strange question. I would prefer finishing open story lines in Andromeda before returning to the Milky Way. So I prefer, both ahaha! Also I didn't vote.
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Post by Phantom on Apr 20, 2018 16:39:46 GMT
i am in the camp of having a good mass effect game regardless if it is in Andromeda or Milk Way. Or if it is Pre, Con Current or Post Shepard Mass Effect Trilogy. A good Mass Effect game is worth every penny.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 20, 2018 17:32:59 GMT
I don't have a preference. Don't think the setting has anything to do with the quality of the game.
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Post by samhain444 on Apr 20, 2018 18:18:09 GMT
I think they should finish the story started in "Mass Effect Andromeda" to tie up the loose narrative threads and set up for exploration outside the Heleus Cluster with a new protagonist.
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Post by aglomeracja on Apr 20, 2018 20:27:20 GMT
I'd say it would be best if Bioware gathered their writers and asked them what's the best next Mass Effect story they can think of. It could Milky Way, Andromeda, or something else entirely, just make it good.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 20, 2018 20:46:05 GMT
Well, this is kind of a strange question. I would prefer finishing open story lines in Andromeda before returning to the Milky Way. So I prefer, both ahaha! Also I didn't vote. I took the first option, which isn't really an option, but it serves my purposes.
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Post by helios969 on Apr 20, 2018 21:16:12 GMT
^Kind of with you, but had to go with Milky Way since it has an awesome candy bar named for it.
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Post by cszoltan on Apr 20, 2018 21:39:11 GMT
Are you asking what setting we'd prefer for the next game? You really didn't make it clear.
If so then Andromeda.
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Post by tmjfin on Apr 20, 2018 21:50:42 GMT
Andromeda. Shepars story is over. I want to cobtinue Ryders story. Theres so much more pc croth to have with Ryder.
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Post by yeah rip on Apr 20, 2018 22:06:56 GMT
I'd rather we hadn't gone to Andromeda at all, there was still a ton of possibilities for Milky Way. And Andromeda wasn't as interesting as it could be, it may as well have been some area in Milky Way. Still, since we moved to a new galaxy, we shouldn't go back after just one game, especially considering all the loose ends in MEA.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 20, 2018 23:10:15 GMT
I have to think about this one. I didn't really like Andromeda, but I'd prefer they didn't do whatever they would need to do to continue Shepard and the crew's story, and I don't want to start over entirely again. If I have to choose, I would prefer that they kick the ball down the road a long way in Andromeda and come back with a new story way into the future when things are far more established.
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Post by ahglock on Apr 21, 2018 3:16:57 GMT
I think the MW was a much better setting, at least compared to what we have seen of Andromeda(one cluster) but I still would prefer they continue in Andromeda.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Apr 21, 2018 6:46:16 GMT
Oh no Mass Effect is not dead -yet. They will make one more game at least. I think it may actually take place in the Triangulum galaxy. Depending on that we will truly see if the franchise survives and thrives or decays and dies. Though technically as long as the IP exists there is always hope.
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Post by guanxi on Apr 21, 2018 7:21:56 GMT
While i prefer MW as a setting that's only because Andromeda as it was represented in the last game was a lot less fleshed out and inspired which needn't necessarily be the case in a hypothetical future Mass Effect game. Would be pretty ballsy to return to Andromeda however I doubt it would carry Andromeda in the title especially if the story is unrelated.
My personal preference would be to re-create the old setting in Andromeda by shifting the time-line 500 years and having the milky way species build a new Mass relay network connecting their new homeworlds (re-establishing the council, spectres) and citadel space. Develop Andromedean citadel space as a geo-political and cultural setting and platform/infrastructure to rival the last and support further exploration of the great unknown that way we'd have the strengths of both settings in essentially a soft-reboot.
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 21, 2018 13:18:15 GMT
Andromeda. MW is done they need to wrap up what they started.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 21, 2018 16:39:31 GMT
Well......which Milky Way? I want the post-Destroy one.
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Well......which Milky Way? I want the post-Destroy one. Me, too, if we were to go there. Still, I think there are too many variables to make it workable. I know a lot of people want to gloss over the choices but that doesn't work for me. If it's set so far in the future that those choices become irrelevant then we've basically got a game starring Liara and whoever she's befriended along the way.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 17:23:46 GMT
Well......which Milky Way? I want the post-Destroy one. Me, too, if we were to go there. Still, I think there are too many variables to make it workable. I know a lot of people want to gloss over the choices but that doesn't work for me. If it's set so far in the future that those choices become irrelevant then we've basically got a game starring Liara and whoever she's befriended along the way. I don't think that's necessarily the case. Firstly, I don't think that having only the Destroy ending to Mass Effect 3 was ever Bioware's intention. That is, if the idea themikefest is taken into account and everything that was cut from ME3 is realized, we were probably always headed towards a "post-Destroyed" Milky Way rather than a "post-Destroy (choice) Milky Way (we-win, Reapers are dead, Shepard lives utopia). I think Bioware's plan for the series was to head to a much darker place than that. If the dark energy plot is considered, the nuances of ME3's endings were always "irrelevant" to Bioware's plan. The ending choices of ME1 were always irrelevant to ME2 and ME3. The ending details of ME2 were always irrelevant to ME3. Why would, all of a sudden, the ending nuances of ME3 be so relevant to whatever ideas Bioware had for possibly continuing the franchise beyond that game? It's the fan base that went off on that tangent. From each game's ending, only 1 thing mattered going forward and that was the thing the player had no choice in happening: ME1 - Saren was defeated and Sovereign blown apart. Whether or not the player saved the council or not didn't matter. Whether they appointed Anderson or Udina didn't matter. ME2 - Shepard survived the Suicide Mission. It didn't matter who else of the squad survived. It didn't matter whether Shepard destroyed the Collector Base or gave it to TIM. ME3 - What matters is what happens in all cases where the game is completed (see proviso below)... The Crucible is fired and a wave of dark energy is released across the galaxy. The rest doesn't matter... and I believe, it never really did with respect to any plans for future stories in ME that Bioware were concocting even before ME3 was released. In ME2, they did have 1 "throw away" ending where you could technically complete the game - If Shepard died during the SM, you were given a closing cut scene, BUT you could not import that file into ME3. Similarly, in ME3, I think they wrote 1 "throw away" ending (after being pressured into writing the EC by the fans). That ending is Refuse - again technically, you complete the game, but I believe the only endings they were consider valid for going forward with the story were the other 3 where the crucible was fired. I don't think it was ever in the plans to "show us" the ramifications of Shepard's choice in any future ME games. I think the original plan for ME4 was to bring us back at a point in time AFTER that dark energy release had completely destroyed everything anyways.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 21, 2018 17:48:34 GMT
ME3 - What matters is what happens in all cases where the game is completed... The Crucible is fired and a wave of dark energy is released across the galaxy. The rest doesn't matter... and I believe, it never really did with respect to any plans for future stories in ME that Bioware were concocting even before ME3 was released. This is the part where I find it problematic. Shepard has to be written out. No way around that since he's either dead/not dead, a Reaper or "synthesized". There also has to be peace with synthetics under any circumstances, though whether that's because of synthesis or any other reason becomes irrelevant. The rest can be sidestepped (even who lives on Tuchanka, since if you didn't save the rachni and also didn't cure the genophage, there's no way the rachni could be there - plus, the krogan proved capable of wiping out the rachni). All I'm saying is that certain conditions MUST be met to account for a post-Destroyed (and, yes, I get the distinction) ending. Yes, a darker ending was the original intention. The way I've heard it, Shepard definitely died and so did Earth, but the Reapers were stopped. And that's not even accounting for whatever plan they had for dark energy, nor even for the Leviathan. Personally, I'd love to see the next "big bad" be the Leviathan. They clearly been waiting for over a billion years for the Catalyst to find a solution to the organic/synthetic war. Once that happens, they're ready so swoop in and take control (or at least attempt it). It would be interesting if the Leviathan, who also seem to possibly be biotic, were the real problem: it was their level of power that was causing the stars to age faster and only by defeating them could the galaxy be saved. In other words, they were always the problem but, because of their vast power, couldn't see it. EDIT: It would be truly interesting if they somehow tied the kett into this, having their exaltation being done to stop the dark energy from rising because it stops biotics. This could sort of bind the MW and Andromeda together. Not entirely sure how it would work but something like what I suggested.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 21, 2018 17:55:56 GMT
It would not be hard to bring Shepard back. For the guy to tell the story, and give the details of what happened on the Citadel, after Shepard took the magic carpet ride up to lala land, someone had to have been there, and survive to tell the first story.
The guy does say the details have changed. It happened a long time ago. So those details can be anything.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 18:03:57 GMT
ME3 - What matters is what happens in all cases where the game is completed... The Crucible is fired and a wave of dark energy is released across the galaxy. The rest doesn't matter... and I believe, it never really did with respect to any plans for future stories in ME that Bioware were concocting even before ME3 was released. This is the part where I find it problematic. Shepard has to be written out. No way around that since he's either dead/not dead, a Reaper or "synthesized". There also has to be peace with synthetics under any circumstances, though whether that's because of synthesis or any other reason becomes irrelevant. The rest can be sidestepped (even who lives on Tuchanka, since if you didn't save the rachni and also didn't cure the genophage, there's no way the rachni could be there - plus, the krogan proved capable of wiping out the rachni). All I'm saying is that certain conditions MUST be met to account for a post-Destroyed (and, yes, I get the distinction) ending. Yes, a darker ending was the original intention. The way I've heard it, Shepard definitely died and so did Earth, but the Reapers were stopped. And that's not even accounting for whatever plan they had for dark energy, nor even for the Leviathan. Personally, I'd love to see the next "big bad" be the Leviathan. They clearly been waiting for over a billion years for the Catalyst to find a solution to the organic/synthetic war. Once that happens, they're ready so swoop in and take control (or at least attempt it). It would be interesting if the Leviathan, who also seem to possibly be biotic, were the real problem: it was their level of power that was causing the stars to age faster and only by defeating them could the galaxy be saved. In other words, they were always the problem but, because of their vast power, couldn't see it. EDIT: It would be truly interesting if they somehow tied the kett into this, having their exaltation being done to stop the dark energy from rising because it stops biotics. This could sort of bind the MW and Andromeda together. Not entirely sure how it would work but something like what I suggested.Ye The Reapers were stopped - they were stopped in all versions of ME3's ending except refuse. Do the details of that matter if the release of dark energy from firing the crucible unlocks a destructive force so great that everything is destroyed anyway...and ME4+ was to take place in an now completely "alien" Milky Way galaxy? Perhaps Leviathan could survive it somehow (we know so little about them anyways... maybe they feed on dark energy itself? Honestly now, I see nothing but potential for where this story could go next. We just need to stop holding it back.
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 21, 2018 20:03:49 GMT
This is the part where I find it problematic. Shepard has to be written out. No way around that since he's either dead/not dead, a Reaper or "synthesized". There also has to be peace with synthetics under any circumstances, though whether that's because of synthesis or any other reason becomes irrelevant. The rest can be sidestepped (even who lives on Tuchanka, since if you didn't save the rachni and also didn't cure the genophage, there's no way the rachni could be there - plus, the krogan proved capable of wiping out the rachni). All I'm saying is that certain conditions MUST be met to account for a post-Destroyed (and, yes, I get the distinction) ending. Yes, a darker ending was the original intention. The way I've heard it, Shepard definitely died and so did Earth, but the Reapers were stopped. And that's not even accounting for whatever plan they had for dark energy, nor even for the Leviathan. Personally, I'd love to see the next "big bad" be the Leviathan. They clearly been waiting for over a billion years for the Catalyst to find a solution to the organic/synthetic war. Once that happens, they're ready so swoop in and take control (or at least attempt it). It would be interesting if the Leviathan, who also seem to possibly be biotic, were the real problem: it was their level of power that was causing the stars to age faster and only by defeating them could the galaxy be saved. In other words, they were always the problem but, because of their vast power, couldn't see it. EDIT: It would be truly interesting if they somehow tied the kett into this, having their exaltation being done to stop the dark energy from rising because it stops biotics. This could sort of bind the MW and Andromeda together. Not entirely sure how it would work but something like what I suggested.Ye The Reapers were stopped - they were stopped in all versions of ME3's ending except refuse. Do the details of that matter if the release of dark energy from firing the crucible unlocks a destructive force so great that everything is destroyed anyway...and ME4+ was to take place in an now completely "alien" Milky Way galaxy? Perhaps Leviathan could survive it somehow (we know so little about them anyways... maybe they feed on dark energy itself? Honestly now, I see nothing but potential for where this story could go next. We just need to stop holding it back. I usually agree with you but not in this case. That is a huge insult to us if they do that. A big f- you. No thanks.
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