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Post by colfoley on May 10, 2018 18:36:04 GMT
Doubly ironic since he could easily be talking to Jane Foster there. 
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Post by HK90210 on May 10, 2018 18:42:10 GMT
Doubly ironic since he could easily be talking to Jane Foster there.  
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Post by CrutchCricket on May 10, 2018 21:06:04 GMT
You ruined it.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 10, 2018 21:34:29 GMT
 Ulysses Klaue stole it from Wakanda and sold it to Stark. Klaue is... that old? I don't think it's ever made clear just how old he really is, but the comic version is a really weird dude, who is kinda immortal and is the manifestation of sound waves. Although, it would make more sense if Howard Stark acquired it from Fritz Klaue, Ulysses' father.
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Post by colfoley on May 10, 2018 23:06:45 GMT
Ah Rocket, one of my faves.
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Post by Sifr on May 10, 2018 23:14:43 GMT
Hela becoming Lady Death would be an astronomical leap in power, like going from a hand grenade to an atomic bomb. Hela is, for all intents and purposes, an extremely powerful alien, who, while powerful, is still “mortal” in the sense that she can be killed. Lady Death is the very abstract concept of “death” itself, who spans the universe and is one of a very small handful of entities in all of existence who cannot ever be destroyed no matter how hard you try. Again I wasn't suggesting she literally become Death. But I could see her and Thanos working together in the MCU as a nod to that. Yeah, having Hela serve in place of Mistress Death could have perhaps worked better for the story (as a another "Goddess of Death" that Thanos wished to court), especially when you consider that the likely reason Mistress Death wasn't part of his motivation is because the MCU hasn't introduced cosmic-level entities (yet). Hela therefore would have been a fine (albeit far less powerful) substitute, as we saw from Thor: Ragnarok that she wiped out (almost) the entire Asgardian army and Valkyries single-handedly, proving so dangerous of an opponent that they had to let Asgard be destroyed in order to "defeat" her. Someone like that you could therefore see Thanos being enamoured and wanting to team up with. And if the MCU does eventually introduce cosmic-entities (c'mon Galactus), we could drop hints that Hela may not have necessarily "survived" Ragnarok on her own, but because something more powerful (such as Mistress Death) may have been working through her. Perhaps Mistress Death used Hela to subtly influence and undermine Thanos' plans for the gauntlet. Using Hela as a vessel, was the only way she could operate without gaining the attention of other cosmic entities, who might object to her interference in these events? Dunno if that would actually be better or worse, only that it's something that they could have done to make Thanos' motivations less... weird. Although, Thanos wanting to wipe out half the universe because he's hard-up for a girl, is no less weird a motivation than employing the same broken logic as the Catalyst in ME3, that murdering half the universe is the only way to save the universe from a Malthusian catastrophe? I mean, dude, why not simply make more planets or resources with the Gauntlet?! There's a ton of things Thanos could easily have done if overpopulation or resource depletion was really his concern. Cause really, it looks way more like he wanted to commit universal genocide and was looking for a pithy excuse to justify why he was "forced" to do it. Otherwise, what I want to see more than anything else is this beautiful bastard:  Whether it's a "Fox Secret project" or MCU (preferably the latter), I needs me my Silver Surver. I wouldn't mind it if Laurence Fishburne voiced the Silver Surfer again, since he was one of the highlights of the Fantastic Four sequel.
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Post by Andrew Waples on May 10, 2018 23:21:21 GMT
Ah Rocket, one of my faves. 
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Post by KaiserShep on May 11, 2018 0:55:49 GMT
Ah Rocket, one of my faves.  The Thor/Rocket/Rabbit duo is probably one of my favorite bits in the movie. I could've used a bit more of it.
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Post by Andrew Waples on May 11, 2018 0:58:22 GMT
The Thor/Rocket/Rabbit duo is probably one of my favorite bits in the movie. I could've used a bit more of it. My favorite bit was Rabbit and Buckey.
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Post by colfoley on May 11, 2018 1:03:47 GMT
The Thor/Rocket/Rabbit duo is probably one of my favorite bits in the movie. I could've used a bit more of it. as amazing as the MCU is it could maybe use the TV show treatment. Or Thrones treatment.
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Post by colfoley on May 11, 2018 8:07:53 GMT
This is a FANTASTIC mash up of the music from 'Forge' (you know the scene.
Cinema Wins was right, this scene was eerie and creepy as hell. But fantastic as all hel. One of the best individual scenes from the MCU so far, and that's saying something.
Cap is the best...plus a sign of things to come?
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Post by CrutchCricket on May 11, 2018 13:04:51 GMT
Hela therefore would have been a fine (albeit far less powerful) substitute, as we saw from Thor: Ragnarok that she wiped out (almost) the entire Asgardian army and Valkyries single-handedly, proving so dangerous of an opponent that they had to let Asgard be destroyed in order to "defeat" her. Someone like that you could therefore see Thanos being enamoured and wanting to team up with. A mini-theory of mine: Thanos openly started gunning for the stones in part because Asgard is no more. Think about it: it was pitifully easy for him to wipe the floor with everyone he came across. So why waste all that time with Loki, the Chitauri, Ronan, etc all the while potentially having his plans ruined or at the very least interfered with by the likes of the Dark Elves or Ego? Because Asgard at full strength and on to him would not be a thing he'd want to face. I'm not sure how Odin stacks up to Thanos in the comics but I think in the MCU nothing short of a cosmic entity would want to fuck with him. I think Odin's slipping in every one of the movies which pretty much allows their plots to proceed (Loki's shenanigans are conveniently aided by Odinsleep, he GTFOs at an unspecified point in Dark World, again allowing Loki to impersonate him for years, and in Ragnarok apparently loses the will to live.) But the universe at large I bet remembers the Odin that the mural behind the mural depicts. The one with Hela at his side that gave zero fucks and carved a huge bloody path. I think even Thanos would prefer to go around rather than through such a being. At the end of Ultron he says "fine I'll do it myself" but the movies (except Guardians) take place in the years they came out in. So it still takes him three years to get around to doing it himself. However, once Asgard falls, he starts doing it mighty quick. Also Thor wielding Stormbreaker, a "king's weapon" came this close to actually stopping him even with 6/6 stones in the gauntlet. Had he gone for the head, he would've succeeded. So yeah, an active Odin, with all of Asgard behind him would not be something Thanos would talk shit in front of. And if the MCU does eventually introduce cosmic-entities (c'mon Galactus), we could drop hints that Hela may not have necessarily "survived" Ragnarok on her own, but because something more powerful (such as Mistress Death) may have been working through her. Perhaps Mistress Death used Hela to subtly influence and undermine Thanos' plans for the gauntlet. Using Hela as a vessel, was the only way she could operate without gaining the attention of other cosmic entities, who might object to her interference in these events? Honestly I am half expecting The Living Tribunal to show up at the last second in Avengers 4 and go "lolno". It'd be a lame deus ex machina and Marvel I think knows better than to make it that cheap, but you never know. Great franchises have tripped and faceplanted in the last hundred meters. Also I wonder: After Thanos snaps his fingers and has the vision of child Gamora asking him what it cost- is this the conscience of an otherwise seemingly complete monster at work? Or is it Lady Death literally reaching out? Although, Thanos wanting to wipe out half the universe because he's hard-up for a girl, is no less weird a motivation than employing the same broken logic as the Catalyst in ME3, that murdering half the universe is the only way to save the universe from a Malthusian catastrophe? I mean, dude, why not simply make more planets or resources with the Gauntlet?! There's a ton of things Thanos could easily have done if overpopulation or resource depletion was really his concern. Cause really, it looks way more like he wanted to commit universal genocide and was looking for a pithy excuse to justify why he was "forced" to do it. Yeah I can see the parallels. Except again, the mark of a competent studio and not "art" is that Thanos is called out on it several times, the narrative makes no moves to try and convince us, the audience that no, this is legit logic, and the heroes fight him to their last. He wins, but they never stop fighting. "Art" would be if Cap grabs the gauntlet, Thanos spouts off his nonsense (One half of the universe will always kill the other/I stop that from happening) and Cap goes, "oh I guess you're right" and then Thanos lets him choose which stone to activate first. Oh and also all choices destroy vibranium everywhere. I wouldn't mind it if Laurence Fishburne voiced the Silver Surfer again, since he was one of the highlights of the Fantastic Four sequel. Honestly even with the change to how his powers work, I liked the Silver Surfer in that movie. I also didn't hate the FF movies of that time and still think Chris Evans makes a better Human Torch than Captain America, not to detract from the fine job he does in the latter.
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Post by Sifr on May 11, 2018 15:39:11 GMT
I have a theory that Odin's death in Ragnarok is not only due to his advanced age, but that he's slowly become reliant on the Odinforce and drawing power from Asgard (like Hela can) to prolong his life. That's why he suddenly fell into Odinsleep in the first Thor movie and why Loki was easily able to banish him (offscreen) to Earth in the second film, because he's increasingly having to recharge his batteries because he burns through the power far too quickly.
Rather than a change of heart, the real reason he may have abandoned the brutal conquest and expansionism depicted in the hidden mural, was because he used too much of his power to lock away Hela, leaving him effectively powerless outside of Asgard. His death in Ragnarok therefore was down to a combination of age, the Odinforce no longer able to sustain him and any remaining power slowly ebbing away while exiled on Earth. Rather than having lost the will to live, Odin had been been secretly cheating death for millennia and it had finally caught up with him.
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Post by Iakus on May 11, 2018 16:02:44 GMT
Hela therefore would have been a fine (albeit far less powerful) substitute, as we saw from Thor: Ragnarok that she wiped out (almost) the entire Asgardian army and Valkyries single-handedly, proving so dangerous of an opponent that they had to let Asgard be destroyed in order to "defeat" her. Someone like that you could therefore see Thanos being enamoured and wanting to team up with. A mini-theory of mine: Thanos openly started gunning for the stones in part because Asgard is no more. Think about it: it was pitifully easy for him to wipe the floor with everyone he came across. So why waste all that time with Loki, the Chitauri, Ronan, etc all the while potentially having his plans ruined or at the very least interfered with by the likes of the Dark Elves or Ego? Because Asgard at full strength and on to him would not be a thing he'd want to face. I'm not sure how Odin stacks up to Thanos in the comics but I think in the MCU nothing short of a cosmic entity would want to fuck with him. I think Odin's slipping in every one of the movies which pretty much allows their plots to proceed (Loki's shenanigans are conveniently aided by Odinsleep, he GTFOs at an unspecified point in Dark World, again allowing Loki to impersonate him for years, and in Ragnarok apparently loses the will to live.) But the universe at large I bet remembers the Odin that the mural behind the mural depicts. The one with Hela at his side that gave zero fucks and carved a huge bloody path. I think even Thanos would prefer to go around rather than through such a being. At the end of Ultron he says "fine I'll do it myself" but the movies (except Guardians) take place in the years they came out in. So it still takes him three years to get around to doing it himself. However, once Asgard falls, he starts doing it mighty quick. I'd heard a theory that the reason why Thanos hadn't gone and "done it himself" was because if he had moved openly, Odin, Ego, and the Ancient One would have been there to counter him. And now they're all dead...
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Post by Sifr on May 11, 2018 16:49:49 GMT
Still a better love story than Attack of the Clones.
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Post by CrutchCricket on May 11, 2018 18:09:38 GMT
I have a theory that Odin's death in Ragnarok is not only due to his advanced age, but that he's slowly become reliant on the Odinforce and drawing power from Asgard (like Hela can) to prolong his life. That's why he suddenly fell into Odinsleep in the first Thor movie and why Loki was easily able to banish him (offscreen) to Earth in the second film, because he's increasingly having to recharge his batteries because he burns through the power far too quickly.
Rather than a change of heart, the real reason he may have abandoned the brutal conquest and expansionism depicted in the hidden mural, was because he used too much of his power to lock away Hela, leaving him effectively powerless outside of Asgard. His death in Ragnarok therefore was down to a combination of age, the Odinforce no longer able to sustain him and any remaining power slowly ebbing away while exiled on Earth. Rather than having lost the will to live, Odin had been been secretly cheating death for millennia and it had finally caught up with him. Maybe. The "will to live" thing was a joke though. I'd heard a theory that the reason why Thanos hadn't gone and "done it himself" was because if he had moved openly, Odin, Ego, and the Ancient One would have been there to counter him. And now they're all dead... Would Ego have cared though? Unless he was included in the 50% draw, it'd just make his plan easier. It's interesting how most villains whose plans would intersect with Thanos would oddly be in line with him. The only real point of contention would be them targeting Thanos himself. Or Gamora.
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Post by Iakus on May 11, 2018 18:24:33 GMT
I'd heard a theory that the reason why Thanos hadn't gone and "done it himself" was because if he had moved openly, Odin, Ego, and the Ancient One would have been there to counter him. And now they're all dead... Would Ego have cared though? Unless he was included in the 50% draw, it'd just make his plan easier. It's interesting how most villains whose plans would intersect with Thanos would oddly be in line with him. The only real point of contention would be them targeting Thanos himself. Or Gamora. Ego's ultimate goal is to procreate though. Thanos' is to eliminate. Edit; okay "procreate" is probably not the right term. But he wants to spread "himself" around. And Thanos' plans would likely include pruning Ego back...
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Post by CrutchCricket on May 11, 2018 18:43:05 GMT
Ego's ultimate goal is to procreate though. Thanos' is to eliminate. Edit; okay "procreate" is probably not the right term. But he wants to spread "himself" around. And Thanos' plans would likely include pruning Ego back... Ego spreads via his cosmic flower things. The question is, whether he uses "resources" or not afterwards. Thanos isn't trying to stop entropy itself so if Ego subsisted on cosmic energy only, he would not be in conflict with Thanos, apart from maybe trying to assimilate him.
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Post by Iakus on May 11, 2018 18:47:28 GMT
Ego's ultimate goal is to procreate though. Thanos' is to eliminate. Edit; okay "procreate" is probably not the right term. But he wants to spread "himself" around. And Thanos' plans would likely include pruning Ego back... Ego spreads via his cosmic flower things. The question is, whether he uses "resources" or not afterwards. Thanos isn't trying to stop entropy itself so if Ego subsisted on cosmic energy only, he would not be in conflict with Thanos, apart from maybe trying to assimilate him. Yeah, but the question is, how would Ego have been affected by the Snap? Whether Ego's subsistence offended Thanos' sensibilities or not wouldn't really matter if Thanos' plans would keep Ego from spreading. If the Snap meant Ego lost half his worlds, Ego would NOT be willing to accept that.
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Post by CrutchCricket on May 11, 2018 18:58:51 GMT
Yeah, but the question is, how would Ego have been affected by the Snap? Whether Ego's subsistence offended Thanos' sensibilities or not wouldn't really matter if Thanos' plans would keep Ego from spreading. If the Snap meant Ego lost half his worlds, Ego would NOT be willing to accept that. It also depends on whether Ego's worlds are new entities or parts of the same entity (Ego himself). If it's the latter, it's a coin flip on whether he survives (and that would probably be troubling enough come to think of it). I was also thinking the Snap happens before Ego's expansion in this hypothetical since it involves Thanos avoiding him. So half the universe dies > Ego expands would not be more troubling than the base case above. Still, Ego would probably be the easiest to get around. Assuming Thanos can choose who to spare, he could make just make a deal to keep Ego alive and let him expand afterwards. Hell assuming what I did that Thanos wouldn't have a problem with Ego, he might not even need the Snap- just let Ego do his thing. Or hell, help him get the energy he needs to pull it off. Which lends itself to another question- if Ego heard about Quill holding the power stone, why didn't he try to get it himself? The power stone is well, power. Couldn't that have given him the strength to expand? A lot easier to use raw power as opposed to convincing your wayward son to join you.
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