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Post by davesin on Jul 27, 2019 11:47:51 GMT
I hope we'll get to see Spider-Man and Daredevil team up in next Spider-Man movie. After all, Peter will probably need a lawyer after the events of Far from home.
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Post by Sifr on Jul 28, 2019 7:06:36 GMT
I hope we'll get to see Spider-Man and Daredevil team up in next Spider-Man movie. After all, Peter will probably need a lawyer after the events of Far from home. Nah, Peter would be better served hiring Foggy Nelson as his lawyer instead.
Foggy in the MCU has always been depicted as a far better (or at least more dedicated) lawyer than Matt Murdock, since unlike Matt, he can be countered on to actually show up for important trials/hearings, both on time and just in general. Yeah, Matt's busy being Daredevil, but he prioritises that over doing his actual job most of the time.
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Post by Noxluxe on Jul 28, 2019 15:07:21 GMT
We get both Jane and Steve wielding Mjolnir yet there's still no Beta Ray Bill in sight except for some face sculpture cameo. Plus what makes a character worthy/unworthy of Mjolnir is too inconsistent. Marvel's editorial needs to do a better job because at this rate even a character like Bullseye will use it in the future. Well, what the hammer originally measured was whether or not you were worthy of ruling Asgård, right? By Endgame, "Asgård" is either a big pile of ash in space or a small working-class fishing village in Scandinavia populated by immortals. If the Mjølner brought to the current timeline had some awareness of what "Asgård" constitutes at any given time, then no wonder its standards have slipped. Though those standards never really made sense to me in the first place. Marvel's Thor certainly never struck me as being worthy of ruling a divine kingdom. Steve Rogers maybe. Anthony Hopkins maybe. But not Thor as portrayed by Chris Hemsworth, charming and funny as he may be.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jul 28, 2019 16:15:58 GMT
We get both Jane and Steve wielding Mjolnir yet there's still no Beta Ray Bill in sight except for some face sculpture cameo. Plus what makes a character worthy/unworthy of Mjolnir is too inconsistent. Marvel's editorial needs to do a better job because at this rate even a character like Bullseye will use it in the future. Well, what the hammer originally measured was whether or not you were worthy of ruling Asgård, right? By Endgame, "Asgård" is either a big pile of ash in space or a small working-class fishing village in Scandinavia populated by immortals. If the Mjølner brought to the current timeline had some awareness of what "Asgård" constitutes at any given time, then no wonder its standards have slipped. Though those standards never really made sense to me in the first place. Marvel's Thor certainly never struck me as being worthy of ruling a divine kingdom. Steve Rogers maybe. Anthony Hopkins maybe. But not Thor as portrayed by Chris Hemsworth, charming and funny as he may be. Heck, Endgame ends with Thor relinquishing his title as "King of Asgard" to Valkyrie.
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Post by Noxluxe on Jul 28, 2019 17:54:29 GMT
Heck, Endgame ends with Thor relinquishing his title as "King of Asgard" to Valkyrie. Yup, because it had long since ceased to mean anything, and he was never mature enough to live up to it even if it did. He was always more happy - and effective - as Asgård's defender and wandering weapon of mass destruction than as any kind of administrator. Which pretty much squares with his mythological persona. The vision of "Asgaard" that aspired to have any validity whatsoever died with Odin. Which was fitting. The whole point of Ragnarok is that it is the destruction of that vision and the rebirth of the world order, after all. That that apparently meant putting Thor as a character through garbage disposal is unfortunate though.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 28, 2019 19:40:13 GMT
Well, what the hammer originally measured was whether or not you were worthy of ruling Asgård, right? By Endgame, "Asgård" is either a big pile of ash in space or a small working-class fishing village in Scandinavia populated by immortals. If the Mjølner brought to the current timeline had some awareness of what "Asgård" constitutes at any given time, then no wonder its standards have slipped. Though those standards never really made sense to me in the first place. Marvel's Thor certainly never struck me as being worthy of ruling a divine kingdom. Steve Rogers maybe. Anthony Hopkins maybe. But not Thor as portrayed by Chris Hemsworth, charming and funny as he may be. Heck, Endgame ends with Thor relinquishing his title as "King of Asgard" to Valkyrie. He's made it clear since The Dark World that he wasn't interested in ruling.
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Post by Sifr on Jul 31, 2019 22:39:08 GMT
Well, what the hammer originally measured was whether or not you were worthy of ruling Asgård, right? By Endgame, "Asgård" is either a big pile of ash in space or a small working-class fishing village in Scandinavia populated by immortals. If the Mjølner brought to the current timeline had some awareness of what "Asgård" constitutes at any given time, then no wonder its standards have slipped. Though those standards never really made sense to me in the first place. Marvel's Thor certainly never struck me as being worthy of ruling a divine kingdom. Steve Rogers maybe. A nthony Hopkins maybe. But not Thor as portrayed by Chris Hemsworth, charming and funny as he may be. I don't think even Odin should be considered "worthy" either.
This was a man who once waged a brutal conquest of the Nine Realms with Hela, only to later rewrite the "official" histories to paint himself in a more favourable light. And when the Bifrost's (temporary) destruction lead to conflict throughout the Nine Realms, Odin sent his army, along with Thor and the Warriors Three on a mission to "restore peace" (i.e. bring the Realms back to heel).
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Post by colfoley on Jul 31, 2019 23:11:16 GMT
Well, what the hammer originally measured was whether or not you were worthy of ruling Asgård, right? By Endgame, "Asgård" is either a big pile of ash in space or a small working-class fishing village in Scandinavia populated by immortals. If the Mjølner brought to the current timeline had some awareness of what "Asgård" constitutes at any given time, then no wonder its standards have slipped. Though those standards never really made sense to me in the first place. Marvel's Thor certainly never struck me as being worthy of ruling a divine kingdom. Steve Rogers maybe. A nthony Hopkins maybe. But not Thor as portrayed by Chris Hemsworth, charming and funny as he may be. I don't think even Odin should be considered "worthy" either.
This was a man who once waged a brutal conquest of the Nine Realms with Hela, only to later rewrite the "official" histories to paint himself in a more favourable light. And when the Bifrost's (temporary) destruction lead to conflict throughout the Nine Realms, Odin sent his army, along with Thor and the Warriors Three on a mission to "restore peace" (i.e. bring the Realms back to heel). To be fair the chaos did seem...chaotic. Banditry and people taking advantage of the situation more then anything else. I mean as bad as it sort of is to say once you assume responsibility (Rulership) for a region its kind of hard to just let that territory go...unless it wants to.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 31, 2019 23:20:54 GMT
Well, what the hammer originally measured was whether or not you were worthy of ruling Asgård, right? By Endgame, "Asgård" is either a big pile of ash in space or a small working-class fishing village in Scandinavia populated by immortals. If the Mjølner brought to the current timeline had some awareness of what "Asgård" constitutes at any given time, then no wonder its standards have slipped. Though those standards never really made sense to me in the first place. Marvel's Thor certainly never struck me as being worthy of ruling a divine kingdom. Steve Rogers maybe. A nthony Hopkins maybe. But not Thor as portrayed by Chris Hemsworth, charming and funny as he may be. I don't think even Odin should be considered "worthy" either.
This was a man who once waged a brutal conquest of the Nine Realms with Hela, only to later rewrite the "official" histories to paint himself in a more favourable light. And when the Bifrost's (temporary) destruction lead to conflict throughout the Nine Realms, Odin sent his army, along with Thor and the Warriors Three on a mission to "restore peace" (i.e. bring the Realms back to heel). Well, it's possible he became "worthy" later in life. Learned from his mistakes, and became a more benevolent ruler (note how reluctant he was to pick a fight with the frost giants in the first Thor movie). He only seemed to deploy his troops to keep the peace, not break his enemies like Loki wanted. OTOH, you could also simply say Odin has admin privileges and isn't subject to "worthiness" rules
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Post by Noxluxe on Aug 1, 2019 11:32:14 GMT
Well, what the hammer originally measured was whether or not you were worthy of ruling Asgård, right? By Endgame, "Asgård" is either a big pile of ash in space or a small working-class fishing village in Scandinavia populated by immortals. If the Mjølner brought to the current timeline had some awareness of what "Asgård" constitutes at any given time, then no wonder its standards have slipped. Though those standards never really made sense to me in the first place. Marvel's Thor certainly never struck me as being worthy of ruling a divine kingdom. Steve Rogers maybe. A nthony Hopkins maybe. But not Thor as portrayed by Chris Hemsworth, charming and funny as he may be. I don't think even Odin should be considered "worthy" either.
This was a man who once waged a brutal conquest of the Nine Realms with Hela, only to later rewrite the "official" histories to paint himself in a more favourable light. And when the Bifrost's (temporary) destruction lead to conflict throughout the Nine Realms, Odin sent his army, along with Thor and the Warriors Three on a mission to "restore peace" (i.e. bring the Realms back to heel). Well, according to the murals in which Thor discovers this it was mostly Hel, rather than Odin, who wielded Mjølner before him. So a tendency towards bloodthirsty conquest clearly isn't a disqualifying factor in Mjølner's opinion. And Odin was a god of war and death, as well as wisdom. I'd call values dissonance. It was thousands of years ago. A different time. It's not like our own enlightenment didn't first grow in peaceful regions built on a fair bit of brutality as well. And "peacekeeping" isn't necessarily an inhumane thing. Especially not considering what lives in some of those other eight realms.
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Post by mybudgee on Aug 1, 2019 14:37:06 GMT
Well, what the hammer originally measured was whether or not you were worthy of ruling Asgård, right? By Endgame, "Asgård" is either a big pile of ash in space or a small working-class fishing village in Scandinavia populated by immortals. If the Mjølner brought to the current timeline had some awareness of what "Asgård" constitutes at any given time, then no wonder its standards have slipped. Though those standards never really made sense to me in the first place. Marvel's Thor certainly never struck me as being worthy of ruling a divine kingdom. Steve Rogers maybe. A nthony Hopkins maybe. But not Thor as portrayed by Chris Hemsworth, charming and funny as he may be. I don't think even Odin should be considered "worthy" either.
This was a man who once waged a brutal conquest of the Nine Realms with Hela, only to later rewrite the "official" histories to paint himself in a more favourable light. And when the Bifrost's (temporary) destruction lead to conflict throughout the Nine Realms, Odin sent his army, along with Thor and the Warriors Three on a mission to "restore peace" (i.e. bring the Realms back to heel). Oh please. Every "great" world leader throughout history has done this to some degree
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Post by Iakus on Aug 1, 2019 14:54:19 GMT
I don't think even Odin should be considered "worthy" either.
This was a man who once waged a brutal conquest of the Nine Realms with Hela, only to later rewrite the "official" histories to paint himself in a more favourable light. And when the Bifrost's (temporary) destruction lead to conflict throughout the Nine Realms, Odin sent his army, along with Thor and the Warriors Three on a mission to "restore peace" (i.e. bring the Realms back to heel). Well, according to the murals in which Thor discovers this it was mostly Hel, rather than Odin, who wielded Mjølner before him. So a tendency towards bloodthirsty conquest clearly isn't a disqualifying factor in Mjølner's opinion. And Odin was a god of war and death, as well as wisdom. I'd call values dissonance. It was thousands of years ago. A different time. It's not like our own enlightenment didn't first grow in peaceful regions built on a fair bit of brutality as well. And "peacekeeping" isn't necessarily an inhumane thing. Especially not considering what lives in some of those other eight realms. Odin didn't put the enchantment on Mjolnir until he cast Thor out of Asgard in the first movie.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 1, 2019 16:14:10 GMT
Soooo..... I take it that the actor who plays Thor is leaving the MCU once that movie is released?
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Post by colfoley on Aug 1, 2019 23:14:43 GMT
Soooo..... I take it that the actor who plays Thor is leaving the MCU once that movie is released? who knows? He's going to be in it most likely and he could easily be in the next Guardians...and Hemsworth wants to continue doing the role.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 1, 2019 23:16:44 GMT
Soooo..... I take it that the actor who plays Thor is leaving the MCU once that movie is released? who knows? He's going to be in it most likely and he could easily be in the next Guardians...and Hemsworth wants to continue doing the role. But, how can he be Thor if he doesn't have his powers and his hammer any more?
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Aug 1, 2019 23:45:53 GMT
who knows? He's going to be in it most likely and he could easily be in the next Guardians...and Hemsworth wants to continue doing the role. But, how can he be Thor if he doesn't have his powers and his hammer any more? I would argue he still has powers and I'll admit it's been a while since I last saw Endgame, but I'm pretty sure he still has Stormbreaker. Either way, I personally wouldn't mind seeing a Thor that's just himself.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 2, 2019 0:46:57 GMT
After giving it some thought, it's possible that Thor could have a hammer (much like his old one) built, and put some of his power into it, allowing Jane Foster to wield the power of Thor.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 2, 2019 1:45:07 GMT
But, how can he be Thor if he doesn't have his powers and his hammer any more? I would argue he still has powers and I'll admit it's been a while since I last saw Endgame, but I'm pretty sure he still has Stormbreaker. Either way, I personally wouldn't mind seeing a Thor that's just himself. But how could Thor be Thor is Jane appropriates the name "Thor"?
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 2, 2019 2:38:12 GMT
I would argue he still has powers and I'll admit it's been a while since I last saw Endgame, but I'm pretty sure he still has Stormbreaker. Either way, I personally wouldn't mind seeing a Thor that's just himself. But how could Thor be Thor is Jane appropriates the name "Thor"? Wasn't this discussed on the last page?
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Aug 2, 2019 3:20:16 GMT
True, Thor isn't a title you can just give to other people. It's a name. However, knowing the MCU's tendencies to refer to characters by their real names instead of their super hero identities, I'm pretty sure this movie is still going to refer "Jane Thor" as Jane.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 2, 2019 7:55:04 GMT
True, Thor isn't a title you can just give to other people. It's a name. However, knowing the MCU's tendencies to refer to characters by their real names instead of their super hero identities, I'm pretty sure this movie is still going to refer "Jane Thor" as Jane. that's what I'm starting to suspect. She'll still be Jane just the Thor is more for...brand identity purposes?
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Post by Noxluxe on Aug 2, 2019 8:47:03 GMT
And wasn't the whole point of his character arc in Ragnarok that his power is inherent to him, not to the damn hammer? When Cap started swinging it he didn't suddenly gain Thor's powers, he just added some of Mjølner's capabilities to his own arsenal.
The more I think about it the weirder and more offensive would it be for Natalie Portman to suddenly turn into "she-Thor" because girlpower. That can't actually be what they intend.
It'd be awesome if the movie showed her going into Asgaardian culture, learning about their science and sorcery and how to enhance her body with potions or artifacts or runic enchantments or what have you. She has the background and relationships to make a story like that work, and Norse mythology is heavy on people becoming powerful through spells and blessings and other external factors. But having her just appropriate Thor's identity makes no sense.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 2, 2019 14:58:33 GMT
And wasn't the whole point of his character arc in Ragnarok that his power is inherent to him, not to the damn hammer? When Cap started swinging it he didn't suddenly gain Thor's powers, he just added some of Mjølner's capabilities to his own arsenal. The more I think about it the weirder and more offensive would it be for Natalie Portman to suddenly turn into "she-Thor" because girlpower. That can't actually be what they intend. It'd be awesome if the movie showed her going into Asgaardian culture, learning about their science and sorcery and how to enhance her body with potions or artifacts or runic enchantments or what have you. She has the background and relationships to make a story like that work, and Norse mythology is heavy on people becoming powerful through spells and blessings and other external factors. But having her just appropriate Thor's identity makes no sense. Indeed "Are you the God of Hammers?" And Captain America being worthy and while wielding Mjolnir gained "the power of Thor" He presumably got Thor's powerset. He didn't BECOME Thor. And for that matter, Mjolnir was destroyed, and the one from the past was presumably returned, so where the hell is Jane GETTING Mjolnir from?
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