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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 21, 2022 20:21:57 GMT
Some people seem to be missing (or wilfully ignoring) that Jen is specifically reacting to Bruce repeatedly telling her she needs to learn to control her anger, which she correctly points out that she's been socially conditioned to do her entire life just like every other cis woman has. Of course it's less difficult for her , she's had way more than fifteen years of practice.So has Bruce. He was abused as a child. Hell, his father killed his mother! This is a big part of what gave him DID in the first place! He's been wrestling with anger for more than 15 years. It's just that long that he turns into a giant green rage monster. You'd think his cousin would know something about this! Plus, Banner's years as the Hulk has given him a pretty good idea on how much (or little) it can take to set off the change. It only makes sense to listen to the only other person (aside from Blonsky) who has this particular condition. So when can we get less of this: “Jennifer, my cousin who is my cousin Jennifer, Hello.” Jennifer: “Um, hi. Are we sure we’re still cousins in this continuity? It’s kind of obvious I was born about a century after you.” Bruce Banner: “Jennifer, my cousin Jennifer who is my cousin….Jennifer. This condition brought on by my experimental treatment of you is triggered by anger and fear. In my case anger and fear caused by a lifetime of cruel mental and emotional abuse that culminated in my personality splitting.” Jennifer: “Oh yeah? Try being a WOMAN sometime! ….….that’s seriously my line?!? Cousin Grandpa here confides in me that he’s struggling with mental illness and I reply with a stock dismissive quip?!?” Bruce Banner: “New around here? But anyway, you can use these powers to be a super hero!” Jennifer: “B-but only evil rich MEN are super-her…..….seriously? They’re seriously having my character act ignorant of all the heroes not like Iron Man -and- having me mock the person who gave their life to save the entire universe?!? Do they want the audience to hate me?!?” Bruce Banner: “Listen, who knows how much longer any of this will last? So what if it’s half-assed? Take the money and run.” Jennifer: “Gawd, I miss ORPHAN BLACK. That was TV with the -whole- ass!” Bruce Banner: “….er…..” Jennifer: sigh And more: May have to wait a few more years till Hollywood stops pandering to those nutcases.... ... Or until Hollywood is buried under its own stupidity. Whichever comes first.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 21, 2022 20:24:45 GMT
Pretty much. She acts like a total brat while Bruce tries to help her with the training. Totally missing the point that controlling anger and fear is a part of some womens lives in a way that you and I will never have to deal with. She's not a brat. She's just not being told anything she's hasn't already had to learn - sans gamma radiation, of course. You assume alot there DK, in this case you're wrong.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Aug 21, 2022 23:07:44 GMT
It would seem that you have asked a fair question if we ignore the fact that a one star review is patently absurd. They either have an axe to grind. Or did not watch it. There are simply no other options here. Not for those who're being intellectually honest. I would've given it a 6 or 7, myself. It wasn't as funny as I thought it would be, but I enjoyed it. It told a tight origin story without any unneeded fluff. If these reviews were 3s or 4s, I would've thought 'well, not every piece of entertainment is for every viewer', and moved on. But 1s? Nah. Not buying it. Edit: And it is even easier to dismiss all of them in light of what similar idiocy with regards to Ms Marvel and Captain Marvel. Using that logic a 5 star review is also patently absurd but it received more of them than one star reviews before it even launched. Every criticism you have applies equally to both sides. But you only apply it to one. A little inflammatory perhaps? If it were a 5 star scale I saw in the Forbes article, then no - 5 stars are common enough among genuine film and TV reviewers. 1 stars are less common, but not unheard of. The scale that they showed was a 10 star scale, so it stands out. 10 stars would be a little eyebrow raising if they appeared in great numbers (which I note that they did; possibly people disingenuously trying to balance the 1 stars, but either way it is still dishonest). The problem with 1 star versus 10 star is the source of the motivation. And you have to take into account trends for this kind of thing. Captain Marvel, Ms Marvel and now She-Hulk suffer from a very extreme divergence from the bell curve these systems normally create. And you have to consider where these votes and the discussion around them comes from. Maybe the opening was an aberration, and the rest of the season will stink. The professional reviewers who received the first 4 episodes apparently don't think so, but I don't always agree with them. The point is - a person has to have already decided that they hate this show to have given it a 1 star on the basis of the premiere, which wasn't 'amazing', but also wasn't garbage or trash or a complete failure of storytelling, either. And the number of reasons for hating it without yet having seen it is pretty small.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Aug 21, 2022 23:09:06 GMT
Totally missing the point that controlling anger and fear is a part of some womens lives in a way that you and I will never have to deal with. She's not a brat. She's just not being told anything she's hasn't already had to learn - sans gamma radiation, of course. You assume alot there DK, in this case you're wrong. Fair enough - I assumed something about you and I don't know your life - for that, I apologise. I don't know your lived experience. For the rest, though; I assumed nothing.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Aug 22, 2022 1:55:08 GMT
Some people seem to be missing (or wilfully ignoring) that Jen is specifically reacting to Bruce repeatedly telling her she needs to learn to control her anger, which she correctly points out that she's been socially conditioned to do her entire life just like every other cis woman has. Of course it's less difficult for her , she's had way more than fifteen years of practice.So has Bruce. He was abused as a child. Hell, his father killed his mother! This is a big part of what gave him DID in the first place! He's been wrestling with anger for more than 15 years. It's just that long that he turns into a giant green rage monster. You'd think his cousin would know something about this! 1. You're assuming that Bruce's MCU backstory is the same as his comics backstory. We don't actually know that! We've been told basically nothing about his childhood. Just for starters: in this universe there is indeed a much bigger age gap between him and Jen so they didn't grow up like siblings the way comicsverse Jen and Bruce did. He was already in his late teens when she was born, and she'd only have been around twenty when he first got hulked and ran off to live in South America. There's every chance she doesn't know he was abused by his father, assuming he was in this continuity.
2. Whether being insufficiently deferential to men is a bug or a feature kind of depends on your perspective.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 22, 2022 4:58:44 GMT
So has Bruce. He was abused as a child. Hell, his father killed his mother! This is a big part of what gave him DID in the first place! He's been wrestling with anger for more than 15 years. It's just that long that he turns into a giant green rage monster. You'd think his cousin would know something about this! 1. You're assuming that Bruce's MCU backstory is the same as his comics backstory. We don't actually know that! We've been told basically nothing about his childhood. Just for starters: in this universe there is indeed a much bigger age gap between him and Jen so they didn't grow up like siblings the way comicsverse Jen and Bruce did. He was already in his late teens when she was born, and she'd only have been around twenty when he first got hulked and ran off to live in South America. There's every chance she doesn't know he was abused by his father, assuming he was in this continuity.
2. Whether being insufficiently deferential to men is a bug or a feature kind of depends on your perspective.
1) Thus far, the MCU has drawn heavily from the lore of either the 616 or 1610 universes. Unless they express something to the contrary, there is little reason to assume things are much different here. Especially since this is lore that has been established for decades. But sure, we can table this until we learn more. 2 It's not about being deferential. It's about showing common courtesy towards a family member who is (not unreasonably) worried about a family member who's essentially become a living nuclear weapon. This isn't just about what she might do to other people (though that's part of it) but what may be done to her. Remember he has spent YEARS on the run from General Ross. Then there's the Sokovia Accords, the occasional alien invasion, etc. Her attitude, based on the clips I've seen, look very childish and dismissive. If not downright misandrist.
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Post by Hier0phant on Aug 23, 2022 4:07:04 GMT
I got around to watching the 1st episode and it was decent. The cgi looks better than what was shown in the trailer and preview but the soundtrack was meh. The part where Jen dismissed Bruce's anger issues as trivial almost bothered me but i chalk that up to MCU Bruce having a different backstory now.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Aug 25, 2022 8:21:57 GMT
New She-Hulk episode update! We've settled the question of whether MCU Bruce's backstory is the same as comics Bruce. His mother Rebecca is alive and well and at family dinner with her sister and brother-in-law, so apparently whatever happened during his childhood, it did not include his father murdering his mother. The episode was fun although I still feel like we're spending a bit too much time on setting up the situation here. I did enjoy Emil Blonsky's appearance a lot more than I was expecting to, and I looking forward to hearing more about his excursions to engage in illegal ring fights and/or his seven soul mates.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Aug 25, 2022 11:28:50 GMT
I am enjoying it (She-Hulk), too....I just wish it was longer than 30 minutes because it feels like nothing really happens. The run-time length isn't long enough to allow for anything substantial to happen and by the time you just settle in to watching it...it's over. It almost feels likea time waster; why invest time in watching soemthing that ends in 30 minutes or less. 30 minutes of actual screentime you know if it aired on TV they would fill it with more than an equal number of minutes in commercials...and that just feels like it's not enough. Especially considering the hype around this show and the Studio backing it.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Aug 25, 2022 14:56:52 GMT
Yeah, I think the twenty-three minute format is not combining very well with the Disney+ weekly release schedule and the tendency of MCU shows to spend the first hour or so on setting up the situation before they really get anywhere. I think they'd have probably been better off dropping the first two or three episodes at the same time. (I mean, always assuming something is going to happen next week, which seems likely at least ...)
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Aug 26, 2022 9:18:35 GMT
No good deed goes unpunished, I guess.
It wasn’t as flashy as the first episode, but I guess that was to be expected. Blonksy was great - Tim Roth in his usual fine form - but…does he suffer from very selective memory regarding events in the Hulk movie?
I haven’t watched it in years, so maybe mine is the failing memory, but my recollection of events seem quite different to his…
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 26, 2022 15:17:38 GMT
No good deed goes unpunished, I guess. It wasn’t as flashy as the first episode, but I guess that was to be expected. Blonksy was great - Tim Roth in his usual fine form - but…does he suffer from very selective memory regarding events in the Hulk movie? I haven’t watched it in years, so maybe mine is the failing memory, but my recollection of events seem quite different to his… The people who wrote the show didn't watch the movie or they recon'ed certain events.
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Post by Hier0phant on Aug 26, 2022 15:18:05 GMT
No good deed goes unpunished, I guess. It wasn’t as flashy as the first episode, but I guess that was to be expected. Blonksy was great - Tim Roth in his usual fine form - but…does he suffer from very selective memory regarding events in the Hulk movie?I haven’t watched it in years, so maybe mine is the failing memory, but my recollection of events seem quite different to his… Gamma radiation is a helluva drug. I think he was just bullshitting Jen if you take what he did at the end into consideration.
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Post by Hier0phant on Aug 26, 2022 15:55:50 GMT
No good deed goes unpunished, I guess. It wasn’t as flashy as the first episode, but I guess that was to be expected. Blonksy was great - Tim Roth in his usual fine form - but…does he suffer from very selective memory regarding events in the Hulk movie? I haven’t watched it in years, so maybe mine is the failing memory, but my recollection of events seem quite different to his… The people who wrote the show didn't watch the movie or they recon'ed certain events. I think it's both because Disney has a bad habit with maintaining consistency like the Darkhold having different appearances, and functionality in the Runaways, Agents of Shield and the WandaVision series. What bothers me the most is how they whitewashed Bruce's past. His anger and Hulk forms are supposed to be a physical manifestation of the multiple personality disorder that he developed from his father's abuse. I can understand the writers not wanting to darken the mood for She-Hulk but this change is comparable to Bruce Wayne's parents not being murdered, and him still becoming the brooding Batman that we all know.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 26, 2022 16:09:33 GMT
The people who wrote the show didn't watch the movie or they recon'ed certain events. I think it's both because Disney has a bad habit with maintaining consistency like the Darkhold having different appearances, and functionality in the Runaways, Agents of Shield and the WandaVision series. What bothers me the most is how they whitewashed Bruce's past. His anger and Hulk forms are supposed to be a physical manifestation of the multiple personality disorder that he developed from his father's abuse. I can understand the writers not wanting to darken the mood for She-Hulk but this change is comparable to Bruce Wayne's parents not being murdered, and him still becoming the brooding Batman that we all know. What's strange is that the Mouse added the cut opening from the Hulk movie in the first Avengers movie.
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Post by Hier0phant on Aug 26, 2022 16:23:51 GMT
I think it's both because Disney has a bad habit with maintaining consistency like the Darkhold having different appearances, and functionality in the Runaways, Agents of Shield and the WandaVision series. What bothers me the most is how they whitewashed Bruce's past. His anger and Hulk forms are supposed to be a physical manifestation of the multiple personality disorder that he developed from his father's abuse. I can understand the writers not wanting to darken the mood for She-Hulk but this change is comparable to Bruce Wayne's parents not being murdered, and him still becoming the brooding Batman that we all know. What's strange is that the Mouse added the cut opening from the Hulk movie in the first Avengers movie. I had to go back and check and lol. For now the only scenario for EP 3 that can explain the discrepancy between the film, and show is Blonsky being a liar.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Aug 26, 2022 20:06:39 GMT
I think it's both because Disney has a bad habit with maintaining consistency like the Darkhold having different appearances, and functionality in the Runaways, Agents of Shield and the WandaVision series. What bothers me the most is how they whitewashed Bruce's past. His anger and Hulk forms are supposed to be a physical manifestation of the multiple personality disorder that he developed from his father's abuse. I can understand the writers not wanting to darken the mood for She-Hulk but this change is comparable to Bruce Wayne's parents not being murdered, and him still becoming the brooding Batman that we all know. What's strange is that the Mouse added the cut opening from the Hulk movie in the first Avengers movie. …the attempted suicide/“I put a bullet in my mouth and The Other Guy spit it out”…? Otherwise, I’m blanking on that, too
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Aug 26, 2022 20:08:50 GMT
No good deed goes unpunished, I guess. It wasn’t as flashy as the first episode, but I guess that was to be expected. Blonksy was great - Tim Roth in his usual fine form - but…does he suffer from very selective memory regarding events in the Hulk movie?I haven’t watched it in years, so maybe mine is the failing memory, but my recollection of events seem quite different to his… Gamma radiation is a helluva drug. I think he was just bullshitting Jen if you take what he did at the end into consideration. No fucking doubt. All the cool kids are doing it. He could be tricking her, but If so, then he’s playing a long game, with the letter sent to Bruce ‘a few years back’.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 26, 2022 20:13:25 GMT
What's strange is that the Mouse added the cut opening from the Hulk movie in the first Avengers movie. …the attempted suicide/“I put a bullet in my mouth and The Other Guy spit it out”…? Otherwise, I’m blanking on that, too Plus the hunters that were killed afterwards. Which you'll see a news cliping of in the Hulk movie's opening credits. But that's never actually discussed in the Avengers movie.
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Post by Hier0phant on Sept 2, 2022 2:45:38 GMT
EP3... Nevermind the hamfisted cameo, Wong breaking Blonsky out of prison because he needed a sparring partner (wth?) is downright weak writing bordering on character assassination due to him being a far more reasonable character who doesn't take unnecessary risks, like jail breaking a superpowered inmate with questionable mental health who nearly killed the Hulk. The Megan The Stallion subplot and cameo was cringe. The thugs who Jen walloped on at the end should be dead but somehow they survived unscathed like they're Looney Toons characters.
It's the weakest episode so far.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Sept 2, 2022 5:22:23 GMT
EP3... Nevermind the hamfisted cameo, Wong breaking Blonsky out of prison because he needed a sparring partner (wth?) is downright weak writing bordering on character assassination due to him being a far more reasonable character who doesn't take unnecessary risks, like jail breaking a superpowered inmate with questionable mental health who nearly killed the Hulk. The Megan The Stallion subplot and cameo was cringe. The thugs who Jen walloped on at the end should be dead but somehow they survived unscathed like they're Looney Toons characters.
It's the weakest episode so far. It's honestly CW levels of cringe. It also makes me wonder if the MCU is becoming the next CW.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Sept 2, 2022 8:00:45 GMT
Knuckle dragging lawyer-bro thought a hip hop ‘star’ (I didn’t know she was a real person until my wife told me) would need $175K, for ‘things’.
The reason Wong broke Blonksky out was definitely weak and not in keeping with his established character (the fact of his Shang Chi cameo aside), but other than that his appearance worked well. It’s a sitcom, so some absurdity is probably to be expected.
The ambush dudes might need further explanation. Their boss is probably someone important. She could have been pulling her punches, but the one guy that she threw into the air should be paralysed at minimum, I’d have thought….but again, sitcom.
It’s weird seeing Adrian Chase from Arrow being a very stable and normal human being.
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(I didn’t know she was a real person until my wife told me)
You were blessed but now you're like the rest of us, cursed. Cursed like if you've stolen a ruby hilted dagger from Shadar Logoth. Cursed like you mysteriously losing too much weight after fabricating evidence to beat a vehicular homicide case that involved hitting an old gypsy woman because you were distracted by the handjob your wife was giving. Cursed like the god Apollo giving you the power to tell the future but later adding the stipulation that no one believes because you wouldn't let him hit it. Cursed like you needing to shave after every full moon. Cursed like the New York Knicks hopes of ever winning another championship. Cursed like you being chained to a rock where an eagle eats your liver that magically regenerates afterwards beginning the morbid cycle anew because you had the audacity to teach a bunch of cavemen how to light a fire after witnessing them eat raw meat. Cursed like after coming into possession of a big ass diamond that was stolen from a Sita idol in India. Cursed like you're a member of an archaeological team who opened an Egyptian sarcophagus, and cursed like Lebron's fully rejuvenated hairline... if you're catching my drift.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Sept 2, 2022 13:24:29 GMT
(I didn’t know she was a real person until my wife told me)
You were blessed but now you're like the rest of us, cursed. Cursed like if you've stolen a ruby hilted dagger from Shadar Logoth. Cursed like you mysteriously losing too much weight after fabricating evidence to beat a vehicular homicide case that involved hitting an old gypsy woman because you were distracted by the handjob your wife was giving. Cursed like the god Apollo giving you the power to tell the future but later adding the stipulation that no one believes because you wouldn't let him hit it. Cursed like you needing to shave after every full moon. Cursed like the New York Knicks hopes of ever winning another championship. Cursed like you being chained to a rock where an eagle eats your liver that magically regenerates afterwards beginning the morbid cycle anew because you had the audacity to teach a bunch of cavemen how to light a fire after witnessing them eat raw meat. Cursed like after coming into possession of a big ass diamond that was stolen from a Sita idol in India. Cursed like you're a member of an archaeological team who opened an Egyptian sarcophagus, and cursed like Lebron's fully rejuvenated hairline... if you're catching my drift. And cursed by the plot device dragon slaying harpoon that always ends up killing the dragon, no matter how far fetched the range or angle the shot was. 😄😎😈
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