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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 17:37:19 GMT
They should make a shapeshifter character and have it done with... then everyones happy Only if you romance it youll have to live with the knowledge that its true form is a green scaly darkspawn blob Or the risk that you run if you are both Shapeshifters... where you might have thought you both were fooling around as wolves together in the woods, only to discover your partner was actually sleeping in their tent all morning. And your friends wonder why you refuse to talk about that camping trip. Bonus points for the couple if the same happened as giant spiders Huh... something interesting has happened... Rather than this thread being one of the embodiments of everything wrong with this forum its turned great on this page at least
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Post by Ponendus on Nov 6, 2016 22:06:11 GMT
Couldn't you technically argue this about any sexual orientation? I mean... if you like m/m romances like I do, but you don't like moustaches and giant grey-skinned muscle ogre's with horns, then I could argue I got shafted too?
Luckily I like Dorian despite the moustache, but honestly on first sight I didn't. It just so happens his character is awesome so I looked past it. Have you tried that?
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Post by Catilina on Nov 6, 2016 22:41:14 GMT
Couldn't you technically argue this about any sexual orientation? I mean... if you like m/m romances like I do, but you don't like moustaches and giant grey-skinned muscle ogre's with horns, then I could argue I got shafted too? Luckily I like Dorian despite the moustache, but honestly on first sight I didn't. It just so happens his character is awesome so I looked past it. Have you tried that? It is difficult to satisfy everyone. For example I do not find Bull too attractive, and Dorian also not my type, not really because he would be not handsome, just because he is too stereotypical... (but in DA2 I was totally satisfied with Anders and Fenris, this two was far better than Dorian and Bull – for me of course.) If I could choose, I choose Cullen (and Solas for story). In Mass Effect was 0 option for gay Male Shepard before, but I was satisfied with ME3 gay options. This is a good direction. And seems the women have enough romance options, but just see: not all women find that so great, for example Iron Bull, or Blackwall, or Sera/Josephine – for lesbian women. Cullen and Solas seems okay, but I think, not for every women...
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Post by dragontartare on Nov 7, 2016 0:26:25 GMT
Couldn't you technically argue this about any sexual orientation? I mean... if you like m/m romances like I do, but you don't like moustaches and giant grey-skinned muscle ogre's with horns, then I could argue I got shafted too? Luckily I like Dorian despite the moustache, but honestly on first sight I didn't. It just so happens his character is awesome so I looked past it. Have you tried that? It is difficult to satisfy everyone. For example I do not find Bull too attractive, and Dorian also not my type, not really because he would be not handsome, just because he is too stereotypical... (but in DA2 I was totally satisfied with Anders and Fenris, this two was far better than Dorian and Bull – for me of course.) If I could choose, I choose Cullen (and Solas for story). In Mass Effect was 0 option for gay Male Shepard before, but I was satisfied with ME3 gay options. This is a good direction. And seems the women have enough romance options, but just see: not all women find that so great, for example Iron Bull, or Blackwall, or Sera/Josephine – for lesbian women. Cullen and Solas seems okay, but I think, not for every women... Agreed. Plus, as I understand it, Cullen and Solas were last-minute additions as romance options. Without them, straight women would have been left with a lying murderer, and someone who will betray you if you make one decision incorrectly. Everyone else, including straight men, have two options. I think maybe some straight men are so used to having a plethora of options in games (while everyone else was stuck with few or none) that they think finally being equal in number means they are getting "shafted" if the available options aren't tailor-made for them
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Post by Faux-Shepard on Nov 7, 2016 16:52:41 GMT
Sounds more like "it would be better if I could ordain how men/women act around me" post rather than really talking about the proportion of heterosexual male options. From a purely numerical standpoint, female homosexuals get just as 'shafted' with only being able to romance Josephine or Sera. But somehow its different because of subjective differences in what constitutes as "attractive" and "interesting" to one man among many? Sounds rather petty. Just say what you mean and say that you personally didn't like the options presented. There's no shame in that. You and i'm sure several other people feel the same way. But don't say it as if it is a definitive truth that 'male heterosexuals' were shafted in dragon age. (And let's just get this out of the way. I approve with how many games do not let the character determine the sexuality of other characters. I also approve of games that balance the line between making the protagonist important, but not to the point where the universe revolves around them. It just simply makes for a better story that can be immersed in imo. Ones without it just seem.....shallow.) Projection is fun.
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Post by Faux-Shepard on Nov 7, 2016 16:56:06 GMT
yeah, yeah, right and I think (honestly, not kidding) that every heterossexual sex act is a rape, Yeah, seriously. Don't reproduce. By the way, I just noticed that multiple times in this thread I've been called a straight, white male. I'm not white. I know for some this will make their "how do I justify this guy's 'misogyny' as I perceive it with the fact that he is a minority, who I must agree with no matter what' alarm bells go off. Don't worry. I give you permission to disagree with me. Aren't I merciful?
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Post by Catilina on Nov 7, 2016 21:45:23 GMT
Yeah, seriously. Don't reproduce. By the way, I just noticed that multiple times in this thread I've been called a straight, white male. I'm not white. I know for some this will make their "how do I justify this guy's 'misogyny' as I perceive it with the fact that he is a minority, who I must agree with no matter what' alarm bells go off. Don't worry. I give you permission to disagree with me. Aren't I merciful?
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Post by SilentK on Nov 13, 2016 16:00:43 GMT
Couldn't you technically argue this about any sexual orientation? I mean... if you like m/m romances like I do, but you don't like moustaches and giant grey-skinned muscle ogre's with horns, then I could argue I got shafted too? Luckily I like Dorian despite the moustache, but honestly on first sight I didn't. It just so happens his character is awesome so I looked past it. Have you tried that? It is difficult to satisfy everyone. For example I do not find Bull too attractive, and Dorian also not my type, not really because he would be not handsome, just because he is too stereotypical... (but in DA2 I was totally satisfied with Anders and Fenris, this two was far better than Dorian and Bull – for me of course.) If I could choose, I choose Cullen (and Solas for story). In Mass Effect was 0 option for gay Male Shepard before, but I was satisfied with ME3 gay options. This is a good direction. And seems the women have enough romance options, but just see: not all women find that so great, for example Iron Bull, or Blackwall, or Sera/Josephine – for lesbian women. Cullen and Solas seems okay, but I think, not for every women... It isn't really possible to keep everyone happy. I did the Anders-romance once but it wasn't really my thing. Fenris was ok if I really tried not being irritated at him. Ha ha, I just feel like they are a little bit too drama for me . But then in Mass Effect 3 I had Garrus, Kaidan and Samantha and I couldn't be happier. Sometimes you strike gold and sometimes not. I am starting to warm up to Iron Bull and I really liked the romance with Cullen in DA:I. Blackwall will probably never be romanced, just have such a hard time getting past the dead-kids-thing. Hopefully I will find someone I really like in ME:A and the next Dragon Age game as well. I have really liked the romances with Samantha, Merril, Liara and Leliana for my female PC:s. But it would be nice to have a less ladylike female love interest for once. Someone a bit forceful, and built please. Extra plus if it is a female Qunari, I can go "woof" together with Sera
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Post by Lulupab on Nov 20, 2016 10:35:58 GMT
Maybe Vivienne being a romance option could have helped the straight male fan base who neither like Cassandra nor Josephine?
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Post by Domakir on Nov 20, 2016 10:44:03 GMT
Maybe Vivienne being a romance option could have helped the straight male fan base who neither like Cassandra nor Josephine? Or Harding. I still want to romance Scout Harding.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 20, 2016 10:51:29 GMT
Maybe Vivienne being a romance option could have helped the straight male fan base who neither like Cassandra nor Josephine? It would depend on the reasons that an individual person would have for not liking Cassandra or Josephine.
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Post by Catilina on Nov 20, 2016 12:31:40 GMT
Maybe Vivienne being a romance option could have helped the straight male fan base who neither like Cassandra nor Josephine? Cassandra too strong? So: go for Vivienne! Perhaps there are people who like to be castrated. Okay, now seriously. Your Inquisitor (probably exclusively Trevelyan) successfully help her to kill Bastien, immediately thereafter Vivienne jump into the bed with him... I dislike Vivienne, but hard to believe for me as well.
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Post by Toyish Batphone on Nov 20, 2016 13:09:45 GMT
Maybe Vivienne being a romance option could have helped the straight male fan base who neither like Cassandra nor Josephine? Vivienne being a romance option ? Gods no. Scout Harding's romance arc should have been developed and fleshed out further.
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Post by Domakir on Nov 20, 2016 13:51:02 GMT
Even though I'm happy with the romances that the game has I would like to have Vivienne as a romance option too. Romances let us see the characters in another way and I think it would be interesting to see that part of Vivienne.
And maybe it would make me like her a little bit.
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Post by Panda on Nov 20, 2016 19:02:23 GMT
No matter who would have been third option there would have been people complaining. There is always someone who didn't get what they want.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 13:06:50 GMT
"Straight Male romance was shafted." Lol. Not possible. He wouldn't be straight
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Post by colonelkillabee on Jan 7, 2017 1:48:59 GMT
Maybe Vivienne being a romance option could have helped the straight male fan base who neither like Cassandra nor Josephine? Personally I like that she isn't, doesn't fit her character. It's fine if they don't like Cassandra or Josephine. I get that Cassandra's not for everyone, but people claiming we got shafted? Tough dude, just don't bone her or Josephine. Disliking is fine, but they did rather well with Cassandra's story, people saying they were shafted are acting entitled. Besides, it's better than in 2 when we had to either go with the chick riddled with STDs, or Merril.
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Post by colonelkillabee on Jan 7, 2017 1:51:16 GMT
And ew, Sera more attractive than Cass? I know this is a matter of taste but damn if this isn't the perfect example of a butterface. No thanks bud. Maybe if she learned how to cut her bangs with a mirror and reliable light source.
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Post by Lulupab on Jan 7, 2017 18:55:47 GMT
Maybe Vivienne being a romance option could have helped the straight male fan base who neither like Cassandra nor Josephine? Personally I like that she isn't, doesn't fit her character. It's fine if they don't like Cassandra or Josephine. I get that Cassandra's not for everyone, but people claiming we got shafted? Tough dude, just don't bone her or Josephine. Disliking is fine, but they did rather well with Cassandra's story, people saying they were shafted are acting entitled. Besides, it's better than in 2 when we had to either go with the chick riddled with STDs, or Merril. I don't believe straight male romances were shafted though. And if they wanted Vivienne as romance option, they probably would not have the part about her husband in the game. To be honest, I think they are just jealous at the options of straight females, because compared to other romances no one can claim straight male romance was shafted. As straight female, Cass romance is one of favorites, romance her with a mage due to her history and I like the idea of a seeker and a mage. In terms of relevance to story, its only slightly behind Solas romance, and it can have a happy ending if you don't make Cass divine, unlike Solas romance where you will need a blanket. (hint at Solas dicussion thread title) All female characters/advisers that make sense to be romance options, are already romance options. Leliana cannot be due to DAO and Vivienne doesn't make sense. As far as I know they write the characters first and then write romance. I think maybe they realized there are few straight options, but they were not going to write a whole new character at that point.
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Post by Natashina on Jan 7, 2017 19:06:12 GMT
Lulupab Then there are the folks that kept asking for a DLC based around a romance. It wasn't from posters mentioning they were women. It was from posters that mentioned they were straight men and "got shafted." They were asking for Harding to be added as a DLC romance. Instead, the devs allowed folks that flirted with her and weren't romanced to be dating off-screen. It's amusing to me. Women aren't usually the ones complaining that their LIs were ugly. They might go, "Iron Bull has a peanut head"* or "Solas' head looks like an egg." However, they aren't going on...and on...and on about how BioWare hates women due to something as petty as looks for an optional romance. That's such a huge tinfoil hat that I want to send the people that truly believe this a book on origami. Women grumbled about the lack of options in the MET, but I haven't seen threads like this coming from a straight woman. Except one and that was done by Kefka. So take that as you will. *I still don't see it and I've heard that since before DA:I launched. But hey, to each their own.
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Post by lobselvith8 on Jan 7, 2017 20:02:50 GMT
I know this has really been beaten to death, but I feel it needs to be reiterated. While it's wonderful that there are so many options in the game, for so many people, I don't think it's quite right that straight males have virtually two options: Josephine and Cassandra. I, like many others, found both of these characters to be unattractive. I'm aware that this is an unpopular opinion because others actually did like them, but that isn't the issue. I'm also aware that this is really an issue of subjectivity since even the demo with the most options may very well still not be that thrilled by their options. One might say that I did get options, I just didn't like them. That's fair, but ultimately I think this leads me to the crux of my post: all of the characters available should be possible to romance. Sera was easily the most attractive and interesting female romance option in Inquisition - aside from maybe Harding. Inevitably this lead to me making a female character, which is fine, I've played female characters before, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't have preferred to play a character I could relate to more. I mean, I can understand the desire to have a romance option who wasn't Andrastian (while playing as a male protagonist), especially since Cassandra and Josephine (if you're playing as one of the Dalish) make comments that come across as particularly unsettling. It feels pretty isolating to play as one of the Dalish given how you're surrounded by a myriad of anti-Dalish sentiment from folks who are pretty pro-Andrastian. With regards to Sera, I don't see the problem with an elf who happens to be a lesbian (I simply take issue with her racism against elves). Harding is probably an example of how dwarven fans have gotten shafted when it comes to prospective dwarven love interests - she has an incomplete romance sequence of lines that isn't given a proper conclusion.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 7, 2017 20:33:51 GMT
I know this has really been beaten to death, but I feel it needs to be reiterated. While it's wonderful that there are so many options in the game, for so many people, I don't think it's quite right that straight males have virtually two options: Josephine and Cassandra. I, like many others, found both of these characters to be unattractive. I'm aware that this is an unpopular opinion because others actually did like them, but that isn't the issue. I'm also aware that this is really an issue of subjectivity since even the demo with the most options may very well still not be that thrilled by their options. One might say that I did get options, I just didn't like them. That's fair, but ultimately I think this leads me to the crux of my post: all of the characters available should be possible to romance. Sera was easily the most attractive and interesting female romance option in Inquisition - aside from maybe Harding. Inevitably this lead to me making a female character, which is fine, I've played female characters before, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't have preferred to play a character I could relate to more. I mean, I can understand the desire to have a romance option who wasn't Andrastian (while playing as a male protagonist), especially since Cassandra and Josephine (if you're playing as one of the Dalish) make comments that come across as particularly unsettling. It feels pretty isolating to play as one of the Dalish given how you're surrounded by a myriad of anti-Dalish sentiment from folks who are pretty pro-Andrastian. What comments do Cassandra and Josephine make that are "particularly unsettling"?
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Post by lobselvith8 on Jan 7, 2017 20:38:28 GMT
Was DA2 really that player sexual? Isabella and Anders are definitely bisexual. Fenris has been forced to have homosexual relations and has a very unique amnesia and slavery history. I assume he's more like Zevran in that he can go both ways but has a mild preference for.. I have no idea. Maybe women, just so he never has flash backs to Danarius. Merrill seemed to be the only one who seemed oddly bisexual, but she's never professed a preference either way in either Origins or 2. It was player sexual in the sense that Anders romanced you even if you agreed with the templars, Merrill romanced you even if you opposed her position on bringing an end to the plight of the elves, and Fenris romanced you even if you told him you agreed with slavery and kept Orana as a slave (the latter of which makes no sense in this or any other universe). Honestly, I don't see any issue with companions being bi or pan (they exist, after all). I think it's ridiculous when people can accept spirits, dragons, magic, time travel, resurrection, but not bi or pan characters.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 7, 2017 20:50:52 GMT
Was DA2 really that player sexual? Isabella and Anders are definitely bisexual. Fenris has been forced to have homosexual relations and has a very unique amnesia and slavery history. I assume he's more like Zevran in that he can go both ways but has a mild preference for.. I have no idea. Maybe women, just so he never has flash backs to Danarius. Merrill seemed to be the only one who seemed oddly bisexual, but she's never professed a preference either way in either Origins or 2. It was player sexual in the sense that Anders romanced you even if you agreed with the templars, Merrill romanced you even if you opposed her position on bringing an end to the plight of the elves, and Fenris romanced you even if you told him you agreed with slavery and kept Orana as a slave (the latter of which makes no sense in this or any other universe). Honestly, I don't see any issue with companions being bi or pan (they exist, after all). I think it's ridiculous when people can accept spirits, dragons, magic, time travel, resurrection, but not bi or pan characters. You're right, weird romances, but no one is totally unthinkable or impossible from these. Everyone able to fall in love with the wrong wo/man. Your examples good to shown a unhealthy love relationship. Unfortunately they can not show differently than the "good" version of rivalry (what isn't exist in Anders' case – by my viewpoint). (Anders probably become non-romanced, if Hawke helped sloth demon to possess Feynriel –and Justice "killed" in the Fade– I saw his reaction, but after this scene I reloaded.)
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Post by lobselvith8 on Jan 7, 2017 20:57:58 GMT
I mean, I can understand the desire to have a romance option who wasn't Andrastian (while playing as a male protagonist), especially since Cassandra and Josephine (if you're playing as one of the Dalish) make comments that come across as particularly unsettling. It feels pretty isolating to play as one of the Dalish given how you're surrounded by a myriad of anti-Dalish sentiment from folks who are pretty pro-Andrastian. What comments do Cassandra and Josephine make that are "particularly unsettling"? A romance with either character didn't really make much sense to me (obviously that's just my personal view for my specific protagonist and not a general statement). My protagonist, Revas, helped Cassandra locate the Book of Seekers, and assisted Josephine with her family dilemma, but I just think the differences are too irreconcilable because they're both Andrastians and see things a particular way. Cassandra asks if there's room for the Maker in your religion is somewhat similar to a Christian asking someone who is Jewish if there's room for Jesus in their religion (it's an incredibly problematic thing to say to anyone), and that doesn't touch on her comments in the Temple of Mythal; Josephine seems to brush aside the cultural and religious dynamics of the schism between the Dalish and Andrastian humans during your conversation that comes across like she doesn't really care about the People. To clarify, I don't think either character is bad; however, I think there's a cultural and religious gap (with both women looking at the world through an Andrastian lens) that's never bridged with the Dalish protagonist throughout the entire story, and that can be a problem for some Dalish main characters. In fact, Harding is the only one who even comments on you being in the Dales when you say the Dalish mantra.
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