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Post by VanSinn on Jan 7, 2017 21:19:28 GMT
I will say that I didn't particularly care for either hetero romance options for a male Inquisitor...but that's simply my preferences talking. I don't think that "not liking the choices" equals "being shafted." Luckily for me, I like playing as female protagonists in BioWare games (go positive female role models!  ), so I had Sera as an option. I wouldn't go back on that now, I think. I wouldn't choose any homosexual male partners, simply because that's too far outside my comfort zone (just to be clear, two guys holding hands and being affectionate in public doesn't bother me IRL, I just wouldn't want to watch more graphic stuff, because guys just...no thanks.  ) Does that say something about me that's uncomplimentary? Perhaps, and I'm ok with that. Do what you want to do, I won't judge, but I don't hafta be involved Anyways, you shouldn't let me get sidetracked like that. I'll be at this all day if I don't stick to the point. Which is this: I can understand, and frankly agree with, the whole not liking the romance options for hetero male Inquisitors. But that doesn't mean "we" got shafted. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 7, 2017 21:30:40 GMT
What comments do Cassandra and Josephine make that are "particularly unsettling"? A romance with either character didn't really make much sense to me (obviously that's just my personal view for my specific protagonist and not a general statement). My protagonist, Revas, helped Cassandra locate the Book of Seekers, and assisted Josephine with her family dilemma, but I just think the differences are too irreconcilable because they're both Andrastians and see things a particular way. Cassandra asks if there's room for the Maker in your religion is somewhat similar to a Christian asking someone who is Jewish if there's room for Jesus in their religion (it's an incredibly problematic thing to say to anyone), and that doesn't touch on her comments in the Temple of Mythal; Josephine seems to brush aside the cultural and religious dynamics of the schism between the Dalish and Andrastian humans during your conversation that comes across like she doesn't really care about the People. To clarify, I don't think either character is bad; however, I think there's a cultural and religious gap (with both women looking at the world through an Andrastian lens) that's never bridged with the Dalish protagonist throughout the entire story, and that can be a problem for some Dalish main characters. In fact, Harding is the only one who even comments on you being in the Dales when you say the Dalish mantra. That's really reaching, and doesn't fit the other elf-related things Josephine does like greet you in your language and defend you from people making racist remarks. Her 'brushing aside' the differences is most likely just part of her diplomatic mind where she cares about both and doesn't see a need to draw lines of division. If anything, people like her are the opposite of not really caring about the Dalish and instead has the mindset needed for both groups to live in peace again. |
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Post by lobselvith8 on Jan 7, 2017 21:51:31 GMT
A romance with either character didn't really make much sense to me (obviously that's just my personal view for my specific protagonist and not a general statement). My protagonist, Revas, helped Cassandra locate the Book of Seekers, and assisted Josephine with her family dilemma, but I just think the differences are too irreconcilable because they're both Andrastians and see things a particular way. Cassandra asks if there's room for the Maker in your religion is somewhat similar to a Christian asking someone who is Jewish if there's room for Jesus in their religion (it's an incredibly problematic thing to say to anyone), and that doesn't touch on her comments in the Temple of Mythal; Josephine seems to brush aside the cultural and religious dynamics of the schism between the Dalish and Andrastian humans during your conversation that comes across like she doesn't really care about the People. To clarify, I don't think either character is bad; however, I think there's a cultural and religious gap (with both women looking at the world through an Andrastian lens) that's never bridged with the Dalish protagonist throughout the entire story, and that can be a problem for some Dalish main characters. In fact, Harding is the only one who even comments on you being in the Dales when you say the Dalish mantra. That's really reaching, and doesn't fit the other elf-related things Josephine does like greet you in your language and defend you from people making racist remarks. Her 'brushing aside' the differences is most likely just part of her diplomatic mind where she cares about both and doesn't see a need to draw lines of division. If anything, people like her are the opposite of not really caring about the Dalish and instead has the mindset needed for both groups to live in peace again. I was referring to the conversation scene where she can react to different remarks you make and asks you more about your history. Her reaction (when you bring up the cultural schism between the People worshiping the elven gods and Andrastian humans worshiping the Maker, and how being used as an Andrastian figurehead can potentially be a problem for your people) comes across as dismissive to some players (this certainly isn't the first time it's been remarked on). Her dialogue indicates that she doesn't really understand the anger that the People would have about this, and her statement comes across like she thinks the Dalish should simply get over it because you move in 'different circles' now. I certainly don't disagree that she's an adept diplomat, but that's not really the same as an ideal romantic partner who is going to understand and respect you, or who wants the same things out of life as you do. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 7, 2017 22:02:12 GMT
That's really reaching, and doesn't fit the other elf-related things Josephine does like greet you in your language and defend you from people making racist remarks. Her 'brushing aside' the differences is most likely just part of her diplomatic mind where she cares about both and doesn't see a need to draw lines of division. If anything, people like her are the opposite of not really caring about the Dalish and instead has the mindset needed for both groups to live in peace again. I was referring to the conversation scene where she can react to different remarks you make and asks you more about your history. Her reaction (when you bring up the cultural schism between the People worshiping the elven gods and Andrastian humans worshiping the Maker, and how being used as an Andrastian figurehead can potentially be a problem for your people) comes across as dismissive to some players (this certainly isn't the first time it's been remarked on). Her dialogue indicates that she doesn't really understand the anger that the People would have about this, and her statement comes across like she thinks the Dalish should simply get over it because you move in 'different circles' now. I certainly don't disagree that she's an adept diplomat, but that's not really the same as an ideal romantic partner who is going to understand and respect you, or who wants the same things out of life as you do. I vehemently disagree with that characterization of her remark to that dialogue option(also this has never been remarked on in the Josephine thread on the BSN so where has this been remarked on before?). First, it is the Inquisitor who sounds angry or dismissive of their clan pretty much seeing them as a traitor due to going along with the Herald of Andraste title. Josephine expresses sadness at that schism and says your clan must understand you move in different circles now which means they must understand your situation and why you go along with it, then says the moment of understanding can be painful in a tone that suggests sadness at something like this causing a rift in your relationship to the clan and a hope that in the end it will be mended. After all, nothing is more important to her than family. After watching that scene, I'd say she is a better partner than your clan is if that dialogue is chosen when it comes to understanding and respect. |
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Post by lobselvith8 on Jan 7, 2017 22:38:59 GMT
I was referring to the conversation scene where she can react to different remarks you make and asks you more about your history. Her reaction (when you bring up the cultural schism between the People worshiping the elven gods and Andrastian humans worshiping the Maker, and how being used as an Andrastian figurehead can potentially be a problem for your people) comes across as dismissive to some players (this certainly isn't the first time it's been remarked on). Her dialogue indicates that she doesn't really understand the anger that the People would have about this, and her statement comes across like she thinks the Dalish should simply get over it because you move in 'different circles' now. I certainly don't disagree that she's an adept diplomat, but that's not really the same as an ideal romantic partner who is going to understand and respect you, or who wants the same things out of life as you do. I vehemently disagree with that characterization of her remark to that dialogue option(also this has never been remarked on in the Josephine thread on the BSN so where has this been remarked on before?). First, it is the Inquisitor who sounds angry or dismissive of their clan pretty much seeing them as a traitor due to going along with the Herald of Andraste title. Josephine expresses sadness at that schism and says your clan must understand you move in different circles now which means they must understand your situation and why you go along with it, then says the moment of understanding can be painful in a tone that suggests sadness at something like this causing a rift in your relationship to the clan and a hope that in the end it will be mended. After all, nothing is more important to her than family. After watching that scene, I'd say she is a better partner than your clan is if that dialogue is chosen when it comes to understanding and respect. The elven protagonist doesn't sound angry or dismissive about the Dalish; he (or she) tries to explain to Josephine that being used as an Andrastian prop (i.e. 'the Herald') would likely upset the People (which makes sense given their bitter history with one another), and this is dialogue that can come after explaining that Clan Lavellan often faced violence from Andrastian humans (in fact, the whole point of the protagonist's clan travelling between the territorial boundaries of the Free Marches is to try and negate attacks from humans because some Marchers don't want to incite violence from rival city-states by trespassing into their territory). Some felt that she was equally dismissive when the dwarven protagonist brings up the Stone as well. That doesn't mean that she's a bad partner for everyone; it simply means that she doesn't work for certain characters. |
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Post by colonelkillabee on Jan 8, 2017 4:46:48 GMT
Personally I like that she isn't, doesn't fit her character. It's fine if they don't like Cassandra or Josephine. I get that Cassandra's not for everyone, but people claiming we got shafted? Tough dude, just don't bone her or Josephine. Disliking is fine, but they did rather well with Cassandra's story, people saying they were shafted are acting entitled. Besides, it's better than in 2 when we had to either go with the chick riddled with STDs, or Merril. I don't believe straight male romances were shafted though. And if they wanted Vivienne as romance option, they probably would not have the part about her husband in the game. To be honest, I think they are just jealous at the options of straight females, because compared to other romances no one can claim straight male romance was shafted. As straight female, Cass romance is one of favorites, romance her with a mage due to her history and I like the idea of a seeker and a mage. In terms of relevance to story, its only slightly behind Solas romance, and it can have a happy ending if you don't make Cass divine, unlike Solas romance where you will need a blanket. (hint at Solas dicussion thread title) All female characters/advisers that make sense to be romance options, are already romance options. Leliana cannot be due to DAO and Vivienne doesn't make sense. As far as I know they write the characters first and then write romance. I think maybe they realized there are few straight options, but they were not going to write a whole new character at that point. Oh I didn't mean you, but the op and the people saying this. And yes they likely are, I remember the threads with people calling Cass a man and whining about women getting more options. I couldn't care less, Cass is prime. |
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Post by cooldude on Jan 9, 2017 13:07:04 GMT
Just give me a desire demon to romance in game.
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Post by Natashina on Jan 9, 2017 16:25:10 GMT
They're hot and all, but I'm pretty sure that the romance would go like this:
Only with the main character possessed instead of melted. But still a game over.
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Post by Walter Black on Jan 10, 2017 0:55:25 GMT
They're hot and all, but I'm pretty sure that the romance would go like this: Only with the main character possessed instead of melted. But still a game over. Not necessarily; the player becoming an Abomination could be similar to Act 2 of the Imperial Agent storyline, one of my favorites from SWTOR. An epic battle of wills where the player has to trick the demon into regaining their freedom. Or not  .
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Post by cooldude on Jan 10, 2017 15:45:17 GMT
They're hot and all, but I'm pretty sure that the romance would go like this: Only with the main character possessed instead of melted. But still a game over. Not necessarily; the player becoming an Abomination could be similar to Act 2 of the Imperial Agent storyline, one of my favorites from SWTOR. An epic battle of wills where the player has to trick the demon into regaining their freedom. Or not .
Having a desire demon as a companion and possible romance, could make way for an interesting chain of companion quests. Like, at some point, she attempts to posses our character, and our character manages to break free by him/herself, and the desire demon decides to legitimately follow you afterwards, and falls in love with you, because you are the first mortal to overpower her will. She would be one of those companions that follow you for her own ends, but falls in love, once you prove your dominance, but you could still lose her favor by appearing weak. it would be sort of Joker and Harley Quinn romance type thing, best for an evil, power hungry play-through. It would be particularly appropriate, if our next game took place in Tevinter, and it would not be unheard of, as Solas obviously had romantic relationships with spirits in his younger days; based on how he reacts to Sera and Blackwalls banter. |
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Post by Gileadan on Jan 10, 2017 15:56:20 GMT
How about the desire demon murdering the protagonist in the epilogue by draining all their life force, then taking their shape. Last scene is the demon flirting with the other companion that the protagonist could have romanced instead. A proper demonic ending instead of humanizing demons by making them fall in love. They're frigging demons! Let them act like one.
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Post by cooldude on Jan 10, 2017 19:42:32 GMT
That'd work too.
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), so I had Sera as an option. I wouldn't go back on that now, I think.
) Does that say something about me that's uncomplimentary? Perhaps, and I'm ok with that. Do what you want to do, I won't judge, but I don't hafta be involved 
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