What's the most recent build/set up that you've discovered?

I agree with this. The Juggernaut and Vorcha Sentinel are really fun when played right. I don't play the Juggernaut often enough myself. But the Vorcha Sentinel is the only flamer character I use frequently. He has grenades so that helps a lot. Plus, the Vorcha are friggin' hilarious. I think I have run into may 2 people who use the Vorcha without being obnoxious with it. And I wish I ran into more good Juggernauts too. Most people seem to just pick them because they have high health and can't be sync killed.

Hex shield blocks shots, powers, projectile weapons, and does screwy things to Recon Mines if they hit it.

There comes a point where they simply cannot change their tactics anymore. Trust me, I´ve been there as a juggy myself. I regularly get gangraped by banshees, fantums, cra(p)bs, goons, fprimes. I can toy with banshees no problem, their swipes are relatively easily evaded. Add in one fantum, and everything can go to shit in a heartbeat. One stagger is enough to destroy what little mobility you have. So when I see a jug about to get swarmed, I nuke if I can. Otherwise I kill as much as I can as fast as I can. Something pugs way to rarely do.

I dare say my situational awareness is well above average, doesn´t mean I don´t get surprised by a banshee that warped thru a wall. Like I said, one stagger, kiss your already lacking mobility goodbye. That´s all it needs.

Yeah, as others have explained, or demonstrated with the help of visual aids, there are some Jugg players who will just plonk their big shield down wherever they feel like at the first sign of trouble, or even worse, they will strategically place a shield to block off one avenue of approach while focusing on another - the top of the ladder on White would be a good example, screening off access to the lower part of the map making it impossible for any player with a ranged weapon to do any damage. Or Giant, at the opening into the main courtyard when other players are using the relative safety of the LZ to filter enemies (not necessarily camping, just getting ammo or whatever). Sal's second video with the Justicar Bubble is an excellent example too. The Jugg and Justicar can and should be a match made in heaven, but the big shield just buggers that up completely.

To be clear though, I'm not a player who instinctively feels unhappy when I see a Jugg in a lobby. On the contrary, I usually take it as a positive, especially if their loadout points to a lack of melee-focus. It's just that if and when a big shield appears, I know I'm with a player who is either very inexperienced or very bad, as they've turned down a 10% platform-wide damage boost, which probably means they've gone for 6b in Fitness as well, so their overall damage contribution will likely end up restricted to melee kills. I have a non-BSN friend who plays a really bad Jugg, but is delusional about his own abilities and rants incomprehensibly about people stealing his kills. I don't use my mic when playing with him, partly as I don't want to offend him with my laughter.

My main tip for anybody trying to get the most out of the Jugg is that an Adrenaline mod combined with the ability to walk backwards should be considered essential, as should maxed Siege Pulse, (small) Shield and Passives (for Geth weapon damage, even though the PPR is probably the single best weapon he can use). The other points can go wherever you like but I consider either rank 6 option of Fitness to be better avoided. I go for a 4/4 split between the Turret and Fitness, casting the Turret at any teammates whose shields are down. Then play like any other character, resorting to light melee to stagger and heavy melee only when absolutely necessary or to help out teammates when Phantoms or Banshees are around. But if you're using heavy melee, you're standing still. Standing still as a Jugg is a bad idea, for the most part. 

One last thing to remember is that while Siege Pulse spam (or at least frequent use) with Incendiary PPR is probably as good as he gets, it can be a little dodgy off-host, as the Pulses just don't do anything sometimes. That's partly why I tend to stick with any of the Geth weapons, as he can rock them all. Yes, even the GPSMG - with the mag upgrade and Incendiary ammo.

And as for the Vorcha Sentinel, I have to be absolutely 100% clear that in my earlier post I was also talking exclusively about badly played Flamer characters, not the characters themselves. The Vorcha Sentinel is one of the greatest characters in the game, if played right. Just don't try to take hard cover with the wee maniac as it won't last long. GRAAAAH!!!....BIG MACHINE!!!!...WOUNDED!!!..........I'M ALIIIIIIIIIVE!!!!

I'm not sure if I specified this or not, but I meant on gold. On platinum I can totally understand being overwhelmed easily as a Juggernaut. Especially against Collectors. But I am referring to Gold. As I said, I am not a frequent Juggernaut player. But I put all my points into tankiness and played the Juggernaut against all factions at one point and did pretty well. If played smart, the Juggernaut is hard to take down on Gold. The only things I struggled on were Praetorians a bit and trying not to get sniped by Scions, Ravager, etc. But again, smart playing can avoid this. I have seen too many Juggernauts who just zap all day and nothing else and still can't survive long.

I play that kind of juggernaut, only because I'm not a fan of being a tanky support juggernaut. Typically they tank, but I prefer the latter and be a damage dealing juggernaut instead.

The damage from a siege pulse spamming juggernaut is respectable, I wouldn't underestimate it, it's a viable way of playing the juggernaut for people like me, that don't wanna heavy melee 24/7 on the jugg.

It's always satisfying, to surprise people with an alternative way of playing the juggernaut, and not expect them to do crazy amounts of damage, and down something like a ravager on gold in like 5 seconds.

And I just thought of it now, I think siege pulse benefit from tech vulnerability from sabotage, so that's even scarier to think about.

Plus siege pulse is a great detonator power to boot.

Imo, "zapping" should properly be a last-second emergency "oh shit" button, if you're doing it so much/for so long that you're picking a cozy spot to drop a Hex Shield and hunker down to drain shields, you probably should rethink your strategy. Jugg HM does shit-all for damage, and it can't really keep up with enemy DPS even on Gold (if you have much more than a couple mooks, they're going to do damage to you more quickly than heavy-melee restores your shields, and if you have e.g. double Atlases/Primes/Praetorians/etc. its quickly going to be game over). So the less time you spend HM'ing, the better. And when played properly, the Juggernaut can be an absolute monster: Siege Pulse spam with ammo-primed combos cleans house, and on-host its almost ridiculously powerful. And he's got a bazillion health/shields so as long as you keep moving and don't let yourself get trapped or cornered, you shouldn't have to heavy-melee more than a couple times per game to get out of a sticky situation. And since he's going to divert boss aggro and tank damage basically no matter what you do, you might as well make use of his quite respectable offensive capabilities and kill some shit while you're at it.

But I agree that Adrenaline Mod is a complete must for him. Which is too bad, because with its extremely high base damage Siege Pulse would benefit spectacularly from a Power Amp... but crawling around the map like a drunken snail for 20 minutes is just too steep a price to pay. 

You didn´t and yeah, he really shouldn´t go down ( that often ) on gold.

1 Build I tend to use: Spammy gurl. Spam those nades like there is no tomorrow.

Another: Fuck your shields all day everyday. Mooks get a headshot first and if they survive, throw nade for a tb. Just your run of the mill sniper



I have run him with a wide variety of pistols and smgs. But I only have a couple games with him.



Enemies will move towards the last known location, read the location you cloaked at. Prime drones however don´t give a fuck about your cloak at all. I think Husks/abombs behave the same way. Their situational awareness in general is obviously dependent on difficulty but also the host. The latter is less important for you consoleros but can turn a match on PC into a nightmare very fast.

I would say in theory you're absolutely right, but then I played with firerider a few times and saw that practice and theory are obviously not the same thing (as noted in Qui-Gon GlenN7's sig), as he was monstrously destructive, without being a try-hard in any way shape or form. I think a PPR X gives the best of both worlds: you can spray and prime multiple mooks and fire off a SP or two to finish them off, or you can go for the whole clip against bosses and spam all 4 (or 3, I guess, but I usually go for 4) SPs to cover the reload duration. All I really know for sure is that it works, as subsequent games with Arkhne proved. My playstyle with the PPR is pretty identical to my playstyle with the GPSMG, with the admission that the GPSMG takes considerably longer, but they both benefit from his stagger-proof capabilities. I too prefer the GPS, with GPSMG backup, overall, but that's just because I'm a bit of a lore nut. That was the first setup I took to Plat, and I don't think I've ever had a wipe with it. Lancer is also a very sensible choice, obviously.

I also want to second everything you said about not meleeing everything. The Jugg has one of the weakest melees in the whole game, but it fools people into using it because of the shield-restore. If you're meleeing for anything but an emergency or to protect teammates from sync-killers, you're very definitely doing it wrong. It's worth remembering that if you're thinking of equipping an Omniblade if you are using a Shotgun......... or the Reegar. 

And obbie1984, I wouldn't be fit to give advice about the Demogirl as I don't play her much, but I favour the Talon on the Ex-Cerberus Adept.

Now that we've all exhaustively covered Incendiary goodness and NOT Meleeing on the Jugg.

I'd like to propose one of the few offensive uses the Juggernauts Heavy Melee. Scrub-aiming that shotgun. Yup, just pick that nemesis up, move your aim to her head, and let go and shoot.Works great with Disruptor Ammo, but SHOULD she survive, you've now created a flying Tech Burst bomb for detonating with Siege Pulse. Launch her back at enemies and ZAP. Cleanup in Aisle 3.

Also, holding Phantrolls for your team to wail on, because the b*tch deserves no less. Or just strangling her to death, because again, she deserves it.

Otherwise, yeah, just say no. Shoot and Siege Pulse.