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Post by obbie1984 on Feb 5, 2018 6:35:00 GMT
I thought so. I actually initially ran a Destroyer with maxed everything except the missile systems. I have had issues where enemies have snuck up on me because of it. Its fine for me on gold because gold is pretty easy with him. I am a bit more weary to take him into Platinum because I'm not yet comfortable with slower characters on platinum. I prefer the squishy but mobile characters like the Fury, Cerberus Adept, and Shadow for Platinum.
So I figured his grenades would be better if something snuck up on you or you just needed thing to just gtfo.
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Post by rayemx on Feb 5, 2018 10:28:13 GMT
I always figured that his frag grenades were more useful to get people off him than using the Missile Launcher. So putting points into Missile Launcher is more productive with him then? I tried that build once but my frags were weak. I'm not even sure if the frags are that necessary for him. grenades are certainly better, because grenades are always better in this game, but if you're not worried about min/maxing HML is still very useful and super entertaining, and there's not really any other compelling reason not to just take both and skip the last couple ranks of your passives since they're pretty insignificant I always spec both HML and MFG on him. normally run 66464. with 4 points in MFG you can just pass the 1500N threshold to be able to stagger everything on Gold, and most non-super boss on Platinum. But I would consider to run 66644 on Plat. trading 10% weapon damage for 2 more grenades and 2000N force (which is the threshold for Plat ) seems to be fair, since normally you want to use Cyclonic module on Platinum which makes him slow, 4 grenades will help you to get out from some shit situations. By the way I also like to run Geth trooper with a heavy weapon build 06666, works a little bit similar to Destroyer just without HML and grenades, but naturally fast, tanky, dodge-able and wall hack. Hurricane works great with this build. HM makes it accurate enough, recoil mod makes it stable, heat sink doubles the ammo. so perfect.
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Post by S Y N T H W A V E on Feb 5, 2018 17:35:51 GMT
Volus Debuffer Great way for easy Gold/Plat having this fatty on your team.
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Post by GruntKitterhand on Feb 6, 2018 11:45:38 GMT
Those are excellent suggestions, with the FatSent the same as I use, although more often with a Falcon because of the staggering hilarity that ensues, particularly against Geth. Confession: I've never equipped a Cyclonic on a Volus. Confession II: I've never taken any Volus to Plat, apart from the above-mention Merc on one single occasion. Happily he was accompanied by 3 (6 actually) other little Mercs as well. As for the Vanguard, I can now only bring myself to play him with the Batarian Gauntlet, full melee spec, usually with a Disciple to help with stagger and cooldown times. One of the hardest kits to play off-host, but probably worth it for the nutcrunching lols.
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Post by Urizen on Feb 6, 2018 12:18:46 GMT
As for the Vanguard, I can now only bring myself to play him with the Batarian Gauntlet, full melee spec, usually with a Disciple to help with stagger and cooldown times. One of the hardest kits to play off-host, but probably worth it for the nutcrunching lols. I played him without the gauntlet once. For a total of 5 mins. Never again.
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Post by inert on Feb 6, 2018 14:10:05 GMT
Volus are not fat, only dodgeless Turians are fat. You could be forgiven for including Batarians or Krogan, but Volus are athletic gymnasts compared to the true FatSent. Source: TTT.
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All this talk about Fatties. I thought our society taught about fat acceptance.
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Post by obbie1984 on Feb 12, 2018 23:31:15 GMT
Why is the Batarian Adept so damn strong? With the Venom this character is a monster. He can deal with crowds well, and he's so tanky too. I'd say one of the best Adepts.
But who is better overall though? Drell Adept or Batarian Adept? I've been wondering this for a while.
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Post by DistigousForest on Feb 13, 2018 11:34:37 GMT
Why is the Batarian Adept so damn strong? With the Venom this character is a monster. He can deal with crowds well, and he's so tanky too. I'd say one of the best Adepts. But who is better overall though? Drell Adept or Batarian Adept? I've been wondering this for a while. Drell, but not by much though. He's faster, dodges, better passives, Reave works better than warp with Cluster nades, Reave is crowd control and stagger, doesn't get blocked by bubbles or hand of denial and stacks and stacks and stacks. Batdept can use Warp/Incen cheese though. Warp works better with a tech team, and not just because of Warp/Incendiary cheese.
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Post by Alfonsedode on Feb 13, 2018 12:13:13 GMT
Volus Debuffer Great way for easy Gold/Plat having this fatty on your team. biotic orbs debuff can stack up to 45 % too That wld be fun to build up a full debuffing team and trivialize plat
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Post by larsdt on Feb 13, 2018 12:13:52 GMT
Why is the Batarian Adept so damn strong? With the Venom this character is a monster. He can deal with crowds well, and he's so tanky too. I'd say one of the best Adepts. But who is better overall though? Drell Adept or Batarian Adept? I've been wondering this for a while. Just the "eye test" but it seems to me that his shield recharge is quite fast? Maybe it's just because of his high health/shields if you go full fitness with him but it improves his survivability despite he doesn't have the Blade Armor like the other Batarians. And Batarians in general move very fast for none dodge characters.
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Post by DistigousForest on Feb 13, 2018 12:24:42 GMT
Just the "eye test" but it seems to me that his shield recharge is quite fast? Maybe it's just because of his high health/shields if you go full fitness with him but it improves his survivability despite he doesn't have the Blade Armor like the other Batarians. And Batarians in general move very fast for none dodge characters. I'm pretty sure Batarians have higher than normal stagger resistance as well, so that can help make it seem more tanky. Here is my plat build and 1425 health and shields is quite a lot and more than enough to not need a Cyclonic for plat. Although if you strapped a Cyclonic IV on him he becomes really beefy. His single target damage is pretty wild, but the Drell Adept can do to crowds what the Batdept does to one target. Plus if obbie1984 is running a WarpIV or IAIV Venom that's pretty OP in and of itself; just watch any of muah's Valkyrie solos with the IA Venom.
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Post by S Y N T H W A V E on Feb 13, 2018 19:29:45 GMT
Volus Debuffer Great way for easy Gold/Plat having this fatty on your team. biotic orbs debuff can stack up to 45 % too That wld be fun to build up a full debuffing team and trivialize plat Those are too situational and with the slow cooldown makes them near worthless, unless you have an entire spawn clogged together like on glacier. RMine and Pmine are enough and having 3 dpsers would be good. The cryo rounds also help with objective waves. I ran this the other day and had two abominations fall to the ground and block the entire spawn including two crabs. This makes objective waves so much easier. I used him on my alt account that I recently got with acolyte I and cryo rounds II and adre mod II. Even still makes easy work of gold and probably of plat although I would run out of ammo quickly.
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Post by obbie1984 on Feb 13, 2018 23:16:45 GMT
Huh. Ok, I thought it would be them being about even. As good as the Drell is, he is just so frail. Yeah, I know he's got dodges (and I understand he gets damage reduction if he's dodging), but with the Batarian Adept, I felt like I could take more risks or play a lot more aggressive. I had a gold game with him against Cerberus. I was using Venom with Disruptor rounds and crowds weren't an issue. A charged Venom shot and a warp followed by a grenade was wiping crowds.
But Reave is a better power for sure and it hits multiple people. I also think I like lash more than pull. And with speed mods, the Batarian feels pretty damn fast even without a dodge. As mentioned, he doesn't even need a Cyclonic mod and he can still take hits.
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Post by DistigousForest on Feb 14, 2018 1:30:51 GMT
I think Batarians are almost as fast as Drell. They have a very nice base movement speed compared to most characters and the spare ammo in the passive is nice too. I don't spec into Pull or Lash; I don't have much use for either power.
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Post by Deerber on Feb 14, 2018 5:14:40 GMT
Why is the Batarian Adept so damn strong? With the Venom this character is a monster. He can deal with crowds well, and he's so tanky too. I'd say one of the best Adepts. But who is better overall though? Drell Adept or Batarian Adept? I've been wondering this for a while. What kind of question is that?!? Of course the Drell is better. He has a goddamned trenchcoat! Jokes aside, they're pretty close, with the Drell being better at handling low-HP crowds and the Batarian being better at single-target dps. Which means that the Drell is better overall in gold games. The batarian is certainly easier to get the hang of though, as you noticed, due to his higher shields. I think Batarians are almost as fast as Drell. They have a very nice base movement speed compared to most characters and the spare ammo in the passive is nice too. I don't spec into Pull or Lash; I don't have much use for either power. Batarians have a faster max speed than Drell (or any other race, for that matter). However, Drell acceleration is like, 10 times higher than the closest competitor.
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Post by Alfonsedode on Feb 14, 2018 8:22:33 GMT
biotic orbs debuff can stack up to 45 % too That wld be fun to build up a full debuffing team and trivialize plat Those are too situational and with the slow cooldown makes them near worthless, unless you have an entire spawn clogged together like on glacier. RMine and Pmine are enough and having 3 dpsers would be good. The cryo rounds also help with objective waves. I ran this the other day and had two abominations fall to the ground and block the entire spawn including two crabs. This makes objective waves so much easier. I used him on my alt account that I recently got with acolyte I and cryo rounds II and adre mod II. Even still makes easy work of gold and probably of plat although I would run out of ammo quickly. well, RM is same Cooldown type as orbs ... and proxy isnt that fast...
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Post by mylkoo on Feb 14, 2018 9:23:09 GMT
Why is the Batarian Adept so damn strong? With the Venom this character is a monster. He can deal with crowds well, and he's so tanky too. I'd say one of the best Adepts. But who is better overall though? Drell Adept or Batarian Adept? I've been wondering this for a while. Drell, but not by much though. He's faster, dodges, better passives, Reave works better than warp with Cluster nades, Reave is crowd control and stagger, doesn't get blocked by bubbles or hand of denial and stacks and stacks and stacks. Batdept can use Warp/Incen cheese though. Warp works better with a tech team, and not just because of Warp/Incendiary cheese. Sorry, but you got it all wrong. Best adept is obviously pull-less Crusader Justicar. Sexy, tough, agile, deadly, unique, self-sufficient. For me, the most satisfying / favorite kit in whole mp; but I'm weird like that.
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Post by Balbock on Feb 14, 2018 13:20:19 GMT
[...] Sorry, but you got it all wrong. Best adept is obviously pull-less Crusader Justicar. Sexy, tough, agile, deadly, unique, self-sufficient. For me, the most satisfying / favorite kit in whole mp; but I'm weird like that. Wait thinking that the Justicar is the best adept is considered weird nowadays? Guess I'm weird than aswell. For me no other adept gets the risk reward balance as right as a 0-Fitness, offensive Bubble Justicar does. And that can even work with any weapon.
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Post by S Y N T H W A V E on Feb 14, 2018 16:28:06 GMT
Those are too situational and with the slow cooldown makes them near worthless, unless you have an entire spawn clogged together like on glacier. RMine and Pmine are enough and having 3 dpsers would be good. The cryo rounds also help with objective waves. I ran this the other day and had two abominations fall to the ground and block the entire spawn including two crabs. This makes objective waves so much easier. I used him on my alt account that I recently got with acolyte I and cryo rounds II and adre mod II. Even still makes easy work of gold and probably of plat although I would run out of ammo quickly. well, RM is same Cooldown type as orbs ... and proxy isnt that fast... RM can stay in a location and maintain is debuff though. That's the difference (Control Spawns) take advantage of it.
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Post by q5tyhj on Feb 14, 2018 22:53:01 GMT
Why is the Batarian Adept so damn strong? With the Venom this character is a monster. He can deal with crowds well, and he's so tanky too. I'd say one of the best Adepts. But who is better overall though? Drell Adept or Batarian Adept? I've been wondering this for a while. Its gotta be roughly even, with both having situations that they handle much better than the other: the Slasher can't really compete with the Drell's area damage and ability to trash mook-mobs, but the Drell can't match the single-target DPS the Slasher can put out, especially with Warp/Incendiary cheese. They're both easily top-10 kits in the game though, and two of the funnest as well. Edit: looking at their relative times in the Gold Solo Speedrun HoF and Platinum solo records, the Drell looks to be slightly ahead, but its pretty close (Drell's average and record times are slightly better than the Slasher's, although the Drell also has many more entries and is a more popular kit, and of course there's always the possibility that the players doing the Drell solos just happened to be better players than the ones doing the Slasher solos, or even just that more of them were done on PC instead of consoles).
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Post by DistigousForest on Feb 15, 2018 1:33:10 GMT
Drell, but not by much though. He's faster, dodges, better passives, Reave works better than warp with Cluster nades, Reave is crowd control and stagger, doesn't get blocked by bubbles or hand of denial and stacks and stacks and stacks. Batdept can use Warp/Incen cheese though. Warp works better with a tech team, and not just because of Warp/Incendiary cheese. Sorry, but you got it all wrong. Best adept is obviously pull-less Crusader Justicar. Sexy, tough, agile, deadly, unique, self-sufficient. For me, the most satisfying / favorite kit in whole mp; but I'm weird like that. He was just asking between the Drell and Slasher lol. If we are going best adept I can't agree with that, it'd either be Venom Fury or Arc Pistol Asari Adept. Justicar is a great kit and I love her especially with the Raider, but she is just barely top 5 for me; maybe even just outside at 6.
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