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Post by Voluptuous Volus on Mar 5, 2018 2:15:06 GMT
Is it still considered a tech attack if she's using the Batarian Gauntlet? I always equip her with it... Anyways, I'll just join the choir recommending trying the melee option with the QFI. It's very fun and it deviates from the usual cloak, power and/or shoot routine which can become a bit monotonous with infiltrators. She's not as tanky as a Krogan but instead uses cloak and the stunning effect of Sabotage to close in for the melee. For sheer style points, it's worth a try. I like that this "skinny little girl" can match the Krogan "big boys" in a melee and yes, as mentioned above, she can indeed do that Batarian gauntlet removes her tech melee bonuses.
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Post by obbie1984 on Mar 5, 2018 6:02:54 GMT
Dayum, I really have to try that build then. I will do so next time I'm on. Is Claymore needed, or can I use a different shotgun like Crusader or something?
And speaking of Crusader, I finally got accustomed to dealing with Phantoms with Fury/Crusader on Platinum now. They aren't as bad as I thought. They are even easier on gold with this build. But I need warp ammo most likely and triple Dragoons are still kind of a problem on Platinum.
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Post by Urizen on Mar 5, 2018 7:53:57 GMT
Claymore is only for style points.
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Post by Arkhne on Mar 5, 2018 8:55:33 GMT
Any Female Quarian who does not acknowledge the High Lord as a perfectly suited weapon to her is indoctrinated and should be airlocked immediately. She doesn't have to use it all the time, but she DOES have to acknowledge it.
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Post by Balbock on Mar 5, 2018 10:35:05 GMT
Dayum, I really have to try that build then. I will do so next time I'm on. Is Claymore needed, or can I use a different shotgun like Crusader or something? [...] Generally Female Quarians and Claymore are made for each other. But in this special case with a melee FQI I would actually not use the Claymore because of how Sticky nades work. They are able to apply ammo effects on a direct hit and can detonate the Tech Explosion themself. Therefore I use disruptor or incendiary ammo on any kit with Sticky nades and I just don't like the idea of loosing Punchthrough or the Smart Choke on a Claymore. And since the Crusader comes with inate punchthrough and doesn't need a Smart Choke it's a good choice here. But in the end it's up to you and what you like the most.
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Post by obbie1984 on Mar 6, 2018 6:33:10 GMT
Well, I went ahead and tried melee Qurian Female Infiltrator and... holy crap is she fun. I don't think I can go back playing her as a standard infiltrator ever again. Forget the Geth Infiltrator, Huntress, or AIU. After the Shadow, QFI is now infiltrator bae. I always did have a soft spot for the QFI only because she was the first infiltrator where I actually got good with sniping, but this build rekindles my appreciation for her.
But, I like the Crusader waaay more for her and I use berserker package instead of juggernaut shields. I did try the Claymore and I can see why it is so good for her, but Crusader is one of my favorite guns. I use damage and omni blade mods on it. I need to be a little more ballsy when fighting and meleeing Dragoons and Phantoms. Though i'm surprised how well this build can deal with Phantoms on host.
Thanks for this build suggestion and mentioning it.
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Post by Balbock on Mar 7, 2018 14:40:58 GMT
One of the best things about this games is that it still can surprise even after years. And sometimes it doesn't take a lot to do so: Here is my Cryo Soldier Build. It is unchanged for years now and was originaly intended for the use with weapons that are "deadly on Full Auto". The 2 Ranks in AR are there to help with Lancer or the CSMG, two weapons I tend to run into overheat too often, while ceeping the downtime on CS as short as possible (Btw thanks to Alfonsedode for pointing this out in a now gone forum). This build served me well for a long time but a few days ago I equipped the Executioner just for the fun of it. The result took me by total suprise. The Fire and reload cancel cycle of the Executioner lines up near perfect with the CS Cooldown. For every Executioner shot is a CS ready to go and than dealing with enemies like Banshees or Pretorians in a power imune state there is the option the AR double shot. The only negative thing about this set up I can think of is that the strong recoil of the Executioner can, mostly on aimed longer range shots, lead to CS just hitting the scenery. But this can be worked around with some care and recoil managment.
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Post by XCPTNL on Mar 9, 2018 15:16:36 GMT
Any Female Quarian who does not acknowledge the High Lord as a perfectly suited weapon to her is indoctrinated and should be airlocked immediately. She doesn't have to use it all the time, but she DOES have to acknowledge it. My FQI acknowledges it before giving it to a close friend and picking up the Javelin and Geth Scanner she looted from a toaster. A match made in heaven and even somewhat fits the lore (not that I'd give a shit about it in general which makes it even more awesome )
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Post by obbie1984 on Mar 10, 2018 7:53:56 GMT
I was no lifing the Fury tonight, and for the lulz I used Fury and Falcon. It was fun, but it seems to suck against bosses and feels like a bad version of the Venom. Does this gun suit any character? It seems bad.
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Post by Urizen on Mar 10, 2018 9:30:43 GMT
Cryo HSol. As most of the damage comes from CS and Nades, it is ideal thanks to its high priming chance. Also, no need for a sidearm to deal with fantums, as it staggers them reliably. This build is fully platworthy.
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Post by Arkhne on Mar 10, 2018 9:45:51 GMT
I was no lifing the Fury tonight, and for the lulz I used Fury and Falcon. It was fun, but it seems to suck against bosses and feels like a bad version of the Venom. Does this gun suit any character? It seems bad. That's because it IS bad. The Venom is better in every way. The damage is stupidly low, so all it has going for it is the stagger effect, which ends pretty quickly due to low overall ammo count. Scorpion and Venom both do that, and more, better, Acolyte is a godgun for those willing to put up with the charge up. And the most important part: Nothing launches enemies quite like the Venom, so no reason to use the Falcon (which sounds stupid) over the Venom, which is fun, and not stupid in any way.
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Post by GruntKitterhand on Mar 10, 2018 11:01:50 GMT
I was no lifing the Fury tonight, and for the lulz I used Fury and Falcon. It was fun, but it seems to suck against bosses and feels like a bad version of the Venom. Does this gun suit any character? It seems bad. That's because it IS bad. The Venom is better in every way. The damage is stupidly low, so all it has going for it is the stagger effect, which ends pretty quickly due to low overall ammo count. Scorpion and Venom both do that, and more, better, Acolyte is a godgun for those willing to put up with the charge up. And the most important part: Nothing launches enemies quite like the Venom, so no reason to use the Falcon (which sounds stupid) over the Venom, which is fun, and not stupid in any way. My Volus Merc would like a word. And my Geth Engie is waiting in line behind him, exchanging glances with my HE. Even my Justicar has raised an eyebrow at the thought the Falcon isn't fun to use. Gotta find some use for that Cryo ammo, no? Other than that you're right, although I use the Venom pretty sparingly (Vorcha Sentinel mostly, and occasionally on the QFE or Krentinel as an alternative to the High Lord, but I feel kinda dirty when I do.) In all honesty I probably have more fun when using the Falcon, as I really don't enjoy using the charged weapons much.
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Post by Arkhne on Mar 10, 2018 13:30:50 GMT
That's because it IS bad. The Venom is better in every way. The damage is stupidly low, so all it has going for it is the stagger effect, which ends pretty quickly due to low overall ammo count. Scorpion and Venom both do that, and more, better, Acolyte is a godgun for those willing to put up with the charge up. And the most important part: Nothing launches enemies quite like the Venom, so no reason to use the Falcon (which sounds stupid) over the Venom, which is fun, and not stupid in any way. My Volus Merc would like a word. And my Geth Engie is waiting in line behind him, exchanging glances with my HE. Even my Justicar has raised an eyebrow at the thought the Falcon isn't fun to use. Gotta find some use for that Cryo ammo, no? Other than that you're right, although I use the Venom pretty sparingly (Vorcha Sentinel mostly, and occasionally on the QFE or Krentinel as an alternative to the High Lord, but I feel kinda dirty when I do.) In all honesty I probably have more fun when using the Falcon, as I really don't enjoy using the charged weapons much. Venom launches them into the air better, which is enough reason alone for me to like it more
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Post by XCPTNL on Mar 10, 2018 14:59:51 GMT
I was no lifing the Fury tonight, and for the lulz I used Fury and Falcon. It was fun, but it seems to suck against bosses and feels like a bad version of the Venom. Does this gun suit any character? It seems bad. That's because it IS bad. The Venom is better in every way. The damage is stupidly low, so all it has going for it is the stagger effect, which ends pretty quickly due to low overall ammo count. Scorpion and Venom both do that, and more, better, Acolyte is a godgun for those willing to put up with the charge up. And the most important part: Nothing launches enemies quite like the Venom, so no reason to use the Falcon (which sounds stupid) over the Venom, which is fun, and not stupid in any way. It was good for a short time after the launch of the game. Then Bioware nerfed the shit out of it and made it "one that is gone but shall not be forgotten"
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Post by obbie1984 on Mar 11, 2018 0:32:25 GMT
I was no lifing the Fury tonight, and for the lulz I used Fury and Falcon. It was fun, but it seems to suck against bosses and feels like a bad version of the Venom. Does this gun suit any character? It seems bad. That's because it IS bad. The Venom is better in every way. The damage is stupidly low, so all it has going for it is the stagger effect, which ends pretty quickly due to low overall ammo count. Scorpion and Venom both do that, and more, better, Acolyte is a godgun for those willing to put up with the charge up. And the most important part: Nothing launches enemies quite like the Venom, so no reason to use the Falcon (which sounds stupid) over the Venom, which is fun, and not stupid in any way. That seemed to be the only thing it had going for it. Its stagger effect. I even had Assault Rifle damage mod on and it seemed like it was doing nothing in terms of damage. It made fighting tankier bosses like the Atlas and Prime with the Fury not so fun. And the Scorpion also has the added bonus or blowing Phantoms into bloody chunks which is always satisfying. On top of constantly keeping them in stun lock so they can do anything. I don't mind the Acolyte, but I find the gun very boring. I noticed I had it on so many classes just to quickly deal with Phantoms/Geth Primes/Atlases. But I am trying to get away from this gun. Its especially good since people told me about the Venom, and I discovered how awesome the scorpion is. I also messed around with Fury Crusader, and I can handle nearly everything with this setup. I was also using Destroyer with Typhoon/Venom last night. I was fighting two phantoms, and both of them almost simultaneously flew into the stratosphere together. Was awesome yo.
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Post by DistigousForest on Mar 11, 2018 10:26:02 GMT
That's because it IS bad. The Venom is better in every way. The damage is stupidly low, so all it has going for it is the stagger effect, which ends pretty quickly due to low overall ammo count. Scorpion and Venom both do that, and more, better, Acolyte is a godgun for those willing to put up with the charge up. And the most important part: Nothing launches enemies quite like the Venom, so no reason to use the Falcon (which sounds stupid) over the Venom, which is fun, and not stupid in any way. That seemed to be the only thing it had going for it. Its stagger effect. I even had Assault Rifle damage mod on and it seemed like it was doing nothing in terms of damage. It made fighting tankier bosses like the Atlas and Prime with the Fury not so fun. And the Scorpion also has the added bonus or blowing Phantoms into bloody chunks which is always satisfying. On top of constantly keeping them in stun lock so they can do anything. I don't mind the Acolyte, but I find the gun very boring. I noticed I had it on so many classes just to quickly deal with Phantoms/Geth Primes/Atlases. But I am trying to get away from this gun. Its especially good since people told me about the Venom, and I discovered how awesome the scorpion is. I also messed around with Fury Crusader, and I can handle nearly everything with this setup. I was also using Destroyer with Typhoon/Venom last night. I was fighting two phantoms, and both of them almost simultaneously flew into the stratosphere together. Was awesome yo. The Falcon is definitely weak against big bosses so I always try to leave those for teammates, especially since PUGs tend to fight them first anyway. However, there are a few kits it works well with and it's on the lighter side so you can use it on a power build. It's RoF is painfully slow though and imo is best on something that increases RoF, but it stuns everything which is nice. Level 1 HE (think I got this from Qui-Gon GlenN7), my hands down favorite is the Falcon GE, BatSent because fuck logic, or the oft forgotten Vorcha Hunter. Take a Hurricane or CSMG for bosses, they're both light and better at taking down armor than the Falcon.
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Post by RoystonVasey63 on Mar 11, 2018 10:50:36 GMT
The Falcon is definitely weak against big bosses so I always try to leave those for teammates, especially since PUGs tend to fight them first anyway. However, there are a few kits it works well with and it's on the lighter side so you can use it on a power build. It's RoF is painfully slow though and imo is best on something that increases RoF, but it stuns everything which is nice. Level 1 HE (think I got this from Qui-Gon Glenn), my hands down favorite is the Falcon GEThis^. Other than on the Geth Engineer, I can't think of another character with which I regularly use the Falcon -- load Incendiary Ammo and you'll detonate oodles of Fire Explosions with this chap's Overload. The Falcon, on the GE, benefits greatly (it's still a tad slow to my mind, though) from Hunter Mode's increased ROF, but be sure to take advantage of his Turret's Shield Restore evolution because Hunter Mode reduces his base Shields by 50%. I carry the Hurricane to deal with Big armour because it's light (and therefore doesn't interfere with my spamming of Overload) and it packs a punch. By the by, I took my GE to a Geth/Platinum/Reactor match once -- never again (cos he got absolutely mullered )
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Post by XCPTNL on Mar 11, 2018 10:54:49 GMT
It's funny whenever I read discussions about such weapons like the Falcon, Venom, Scorpion, Acolyte because I'm like "these are no real weapons, just fancy toys". Whatever floats your boat I guess and I don't mind people using them but they are so unsatisfying in my personal opinion. They lack all the punch of heavy hitters or the feeling of a "real" weapon and I always feel like throwing cotton balls at enemies instead of actually shooting them Like I said: whatever floats your boat, don't want to insult anybody. I just think these weapons are awful - even if they can be very effective.
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Post by obbie1984 on Mar 11, 2018 19:04:42 GMT
It's funny whenever I read discussions about such weapons like the Falcon, Venom, Scorpion, Acolyte because I'm like "these are no real weapons, just fancy toys". Whatever floats your boat I guess and I don't mind people using them but they are so unsatisfying in my personal opinion. They lack all the punch of heavy hitters or the feeling of a "real" weapon and I always feel like throwing cotton balls at enemies instead of actually shooting them Like I said: whatever floats your boat, don't want to insult anybody. I just think these weapons are awful - even if they can be very effective. No I get that. I feel that way about the Acolyte. Its not really a gun, just a tool. But what's not to appreciate about the Venom and Scorpion? One sends enemies flying in the sky and stun locks everything but bosses. This is satisfying in itself. And blowing enemies to chunks and stun locking them for days with the Scorpion is also fun. Though I do get what you mean because they don't sound very powerful and charge weapons aren't for everyone. I know I saw DistigiousForest using the Geth Engineer with the Falcon in one of my games. It looked fun, but I'm not a huge fan of Geth because of eye strain mode. But I will give this a shot next time. I also like the sound of Vorcha Engineer build as well. And it seems like he can handle bosses pretty well too. I think I will try Falcon/Hurricane with the Vorcha Engineer and the Fury next time I get on.
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Post by Arkhne on Mar 11, 2018 22:06:08 GMT
It's funny whenever I read discussions about such weapons like the Falcon, Venom, Scorpion, Acolyte because I'm like "these are no real weapons, just fancy toys". Whatever floats your boat I guess and I don't mind people using them but they are so unsatisfying in my personal opinion. They lack all the punch of heavy hitters or the feeling of a "real" weapon and I always feel like throwing cotton balls at enemies instead of actually shooting them Like I said: whatever floats your boat, don't want to insult anybody. I just think these weapons are awful - even if they can be very effective. No I get that. I feel that way about the Acolyte. Its not really a gun, just a tool. But what's not to appreciate about the Venom and Scorpion? One sends enemies flying in the sky and stun locks everything but bosses. This is satisfying in itself. And blowing enemies to chunks and stun locking them for days with the Scorpion is also fun. Though I do get what you mean because they don't sound very powerful and charge weapons aren't for everyone. I know I saw DistigiousForest using the Geth Engineer with the Falcon in one of my games. It looked fun, but I'm not a huge fan of Geth because of eye strain mode. But I will give this a shot next time. I also like the sound of Vorcha Engineer build as well. And it seems like he can handle bosses pretty well too. I think I will try Falcon/Hurricane with the Vorcha Engineer and the Fury next time I get on. The Engineer is my favourite Vorcha. I usually run an Incendiary Lancer on him, but any decent weapon works just fine, I use the Lancer because of ammo-independance, sure, with Bloodlust he can get to ammo boxes like a freak, but I'd rather keep Bloodlust stacks maxed and just hunt enemies. Hurricane is probably pretty good on him. As to Hunter Mode, with the exception of the Infiltrator, I'd say it's just fine to spec out of it if it makes you unable to play them (A less than optimal spec is better than a never used one). In fact, no-Hunter Mode Geth were some of my first Gold PUGging characters way back in the day. Nothing wrong with playing characters your own way.
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Post by DistigousForest on Mar 11, 2018 23:20:53 GMT
The Falcon is definitely weak against big bosses so I always try to leave those for teammates, especially since PUGs tend to fight them first anyway. However, there are a few kits it works well with and it's on the lighter side so you can use it on a power build. It's RoF is painfully slow though and imo is best on something that increases RoF, but it stuns everything which is nice. Level 1 HE (think I got this from Qui-Gon Glenn), my hands down favorite is the Falcon GEThis^. Other than on the Geth Engineer, I can't think of another character with which I regularly use the Falcon -- load Incendiary Ammo and you'll detonate oodles of Fire Explosions with this chap's Overload. The Falcon, on the GE, benefits greatly (it's still a tad slow to my mind, though) from Hunter Mode's increased ROF, but be sure to take advantage of his Turret's Shield Restore evolution because Hunter Mode reduces his base Shields by 50%. I carry the Hurricane to deal with Big armour because it's light (and therefore doesn't interfere with my spamming of Overload) and it packs a punch. By the by, I took my GE to a Geth/Platinum/Reactor match once -- never again (cos he got absolutely mullered ) That's funny because I love the GE in plat. There's a lot of tech users in plat on Xbox so his overload is great there. Though I drop the Falcon and take either the Saber, GPS, or Venom most often on him. Occasionally I'll take the Wraith and the Javelin is fun on him too.
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Post by fraggle on Mar 12, 2018 11:13:14 GMT
I use the Falcon on my Batdept currently, after also not liking it (tried it first on the Batguard, which sucked). I also recently saw a video with HSentinel using it, looked fun as well. But yeah, I guess there are more efficient weapons.
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Post by Alfonsedode on Mar 12, 2018 12:33:53 GMT
Well Falcon shoot almost straight and faster than all other stagger sticks, and its really light and can be equipped with omniblade. That makes it unique and the weapon of choice in many cases ! Well, dont ask, i have just one in mind atm
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Post by inert on Mar 12, 2018 12:40:19 GMT
I use the Falcon on one HEngy 4/6/6/6/4 for Cryo ammo application. I would argue that the Falcon is almost as good as the Venom. The radius on the single shot is wider, it applies ammo power just as well, if not better than the Venom and you're able to bank shots around corners.
On plat, it loses to bosses, but you can use fodder to generate multiple cryo explosions around spawns, lock down phantoms and slow dragoons to a snail's pace.
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Post by XCPTNL on Mar 12, 2018 12:41:25 GMT
That's funny because I love the GE in plat. There's a lot of tech users in plat on Xbox so his overload is great there. Though I drop the Falcon and take either the Saber, GPS, or Venom most often on him. Occasionally I'll take the Wraith and the Javelin is fun on him too. +1 for the GE with Javelin as I have talked about in this thread before like in this post
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