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Post by Gileadan on Jun 7, 2018 6:49:18 GMT
These results are really interesting! I continue to be mystified by Alistair's popularity. And I'm wondering where all the M/F Isabelamancers are; she's very popular but is seriously flagging in this poll. And I definitely expected Solas to be higher. I picked Morrigan as my favorite M/F romance. That attitude and Claudia Black's voice... ahem. While I did romance Isabela in DA2 and I really like her as a character and find her a very attractive romantic interest - she's obviously a looker and her sense of humor is just my thing - I didn't like her romance as much as Morrigan's. The same is true for Cassandra, whom I totally adore as a character, but her romance didn't do overly much for me. You see, Morrigan was the last lady I could talk to whenever I felt like it. Whether we were standing in some backwater village, or next to the corpses of a dozen darkspawn, or next to our campfire. I didn't have to wait until we got back to base for her to stop being Morrigan my combat asset (magic department) and become Morrigan my love interest again. Plus, DAI confirmed that she and the Warden are still very much in love, and that alone is kind of rare in BioWare's romances.
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Post by vertigomez on Jun 7, 2018 12:26:18 GMT
Plus, DAI confirmed that she and the Warden are still very much in love, and that alone is kind of rare in BioWare's romances. What makes you say that? I've played a looot of Bioware romances (in DA, ME, NWN, BG...) and I've the impression that most of them are still happy and in love at the end of their story. (Okay, less so for Baldur's Gate bc so many of them can go.... so wrong.... )
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Post by Gileadan on Jun 7, 2018 12:47:01 GMT
Plus, DAI confirmed that she and the Warden are still very much in love, and that alone is kind of rare in BioWare's romances. What makes you say that? I've played a looot of Bioware romances (in DA, ME, NWN, BG...) and I've the impression that most of them are still happy and in love at the end of their story. (Okay, less so for Baldur's Gate bc so many of them can go.... so wrong.... ) I admit that my memory about details may not be the best because the last games per franchise that I played extensively were DAO / ME2. But these are my impressions from the romances I picked: BG2 - Jaheira: it never got as good as this again NWN - Aribeth: off with her head! Thanks for playing. HotU - Aribeth: so romantic (But she's dead. And a ghost. Might cause some inconvenience. Not to mention you're actually a different character than in NWN OC.) DAO - Morrigan: my semi-recent favorite, as I said above. I even appreciated the break-up part in a "could have been worse (see Aribeth)" way DA2 - Isabela: that lackluster ending ("everyone left Hawke, except Isabela of course") and then my imported Hawke in DAI stated that Isabela was around somewhere. Sounded a bit lukewarm, really. DAI - Cassandra: oh, now she's Divine. And you couldn't have married her anyway. Well, back to practicing one-handed weapons, I guess. Will I frigging ever learn? It's like the writers can't help themselves and just have to throw in a bitter pill somewhere. It has made me jaded towards romances, just like Game of Thrones and its killing of too many characters. "Don't get invested, you'll regret it" is my feeling.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jun 7, 2018 12:47:23 GMT
I voted for: DAO: Female PC - Alistair Female PC - Leliana Male PC - Morrigan DA2: M/F PC - Isabela DAI: M/F PC - Josephine I've played DAO more times than the others. But in DA2, I didn't really care to romance anyone else. And in DAI, I haven't ever gotten around to romancing other characters as I've only played one complete playthrough, so Josephine wins by default being the only romance I've actually done in DAI
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Post by vertigomez on Jun 7, 2018 12:55:09 GMT
What makes you say that? I've played a looot of Bioware romances (in DA, ME, NWN, BG...) and I've the impression that most of them are still happy and in love at the end of their story. (Okay, less so for Baldur's Gate bc so many of them can go.... so wrong.... ) I admit that my memory about details may not be the best because the last games per franchise that I played extensively were DAO / ME2. But these are my impressions from the romances I picked: BG2 - Jaheira: it never got as good as this again NWN - Aribeth: off with her head! Thanks for playing. HotU - Aribeth: so romantic (But she's dead. And a ghost. Might cause some inconvenience. Not to mention you're actually a different character than in NWN OC.) DAO - Morrigan: my semi-recent favorite, as I said above. I even appreciated the break-up part in a "could have been worse (see Aribeth)" way DA2 - Isabela: that lackluster ending ("everyone left Hawke, except Isabela of course") and then my imported Hawke in DAI stated that Isabela was around somewhere. Sounded a bit lukewarm, really. DAI - Cassandra: oh, now she's Divine. And you couldn't have married her anyway. Well, back to practicing one-handed weapons, I guess. Will I frigging ever learn? It's like the writers can't help themselves and just have to throw in a bitter pill somewhere. It has made me jaded towards romances, just like Game of Thrones and its killing of too many characters. "Don't get invested, you'll regret it" is my feeling. Ah, I see. So it's more specific to the ones you played, then? I guess I was thinking more of the romances as a whole - I think, by and large, they mostly end on a positive note. For what it's worth, from the games you mentioned I've completed Viconia's romance (can definitely end on a bitter note...), Dorn, Anomen, Valen, Nathyrra, Zevran, Alistair, Leliana, Morrigan, Isabela, Fenris, and Sera so that's probably coloring my perception a bit.
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Post by Gileadan on Jun 7, 2018 13:19:13 GMT
Ah, I see. So it's more specific to the ones you played, then? I guess I was thinking more of the romances as a whole - I think, by and large, they mostly end on a positive note. For what it's worth, from the games you mentioned I've completed Viconia's romance (can definitely end on a bitter note...), Dorn, Anomen, Valen, Nathyrra, Zevran, Alistair, Leliana, Morrigan, Isabela, Fenris, and Sera so that's probably coloring my perception a bit. If anything, your perception is probably way more correct than mine. I only very dimly recall romancing Nathyrra once, I romanced Leliana in DAO too but didn't import that state to DAI so I don't know how she felt about the Warden by then. And that's probably my entire experience on the matter. I may have romanced Aerie once but I can't remember if I ever finished that playthrough. Now that I thought about it for a while, I probably get cranky when my idea of how the romance goes on gets messed with, so I either prefer games that leave the future completely undefined (VTM: Redemption, or heck, even Vanquish) or in some rare stroke of luck give me the exact ending I wished for (TW3). Your reply was good food for thought. Thank you.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jun 7, 2018 13:30:42 GMT
I admit that my memory about details may not be the best because the last games per franchise that I played extensively were DAO / ME2. But these are my impressions from the romances I picked: BG2 - Jaheira: it never got as good as this again NWN - Aribeth: off with her head! Thanks for playing. HotU - Aribeth: so romantic (But she's dead. And a ghost. Might cause some inconvenience. Not to mention you're actually a different character than in NWN OC.) DAO - Morrigan: my semi-recent favorite, as I said above. I even appreciated the break-up part in a "could have been worse (see Aribeth)" way DA2 - Isabela: that lackluster ending ("everyone left Hawke, except Isabela of course") and then my imported Hawke in DAI stated that Isabela was around somewhere. Sounded a bit lukewarm, really. DAI - Cassandra: oh, now she's Divine. And you couldn't have married her anyway. Well, back to practicing one-handed weapons, I guess. Will I frigging ever learn? It's like the writers can't help themselves and just have to throw in a bitter pill somewhere. It has made me jaded towards romances, just like Game of Thrones and its killing of too many characters. "Don't get invested, you'll regret it" is my feeling. I'm pretty sure that all/most of the LI in DA2 get "everyone left Hawke, except Isabela of course." As for the treatment in DAI, it seemed like they really tried to tailor it to the personality of the LI. I've heard Hawke talking about Isabela in a video and I thought it seemed right for her and the flavor of the relationship. Just because they're not together doesn't mean she loves Hawke any less. And Cassandra has a non-Divine path. I know that Leliana, Zevran, and Alistair are all still devoted to their partners. Fenris is as well (I haven't heard Hawke's lines for Merrill, Anders, or Sebastian). Cullen and Sera can get married to their Inquisitor, while Dorian makes it clear that he loves his and they're still together (as a couple) even though he is off to be a magister (I can't speak to the other DAI LI). Sorry you're not happy with many of your choices, but there are also many LI (that you didn't romance) that have nice outcomes, hardly meriting such a generalized statement like "that alone is kind of rare in BioWare's romances." No, it's not "rare."
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Post by vertigomez on Jun 7, 2018 13:47:53 GMT
If anything, your perception is probably way more correct than mine. I only very dimly recall romancing Nathyrra once, I romanced Leliana in DAO too but didn't import that state to DAI so I don't know how she felt about the Warden by then. And that's probably my entire experience on the matter. I may have romanced Aerie once but I can't remember if I ever finished that playthrough. I think most people are like you, tbh, and they mostly think in terms of their favorite romances. Nothing wrong with that. I'm weird and obsessive and watch all the compilation videos on YouTube so I know all the secrets. Dunno if you'll ever get around to importing your Leliana save, so if you're curious...
That's completely understandable! I think most people have their preferences and when they conflict with the epilogue or subsequent games or whatever, it can really sour the experience for the player. On the other hand it could make you love the romance even more. It's kinda... chancy, that way. Aw, you're welcome. Glad I could help.
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Post by melbella on Jun 7, 2018 20:52:16 GMT
I voted for femHawke/Fenris, femInq/Cullen and maleInq/Dorian. Fenris is my overall favorite, especially with snarky Hawke. She makes him laugh and he keeps her grounded.
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Post by vertigomez on Jun 7, 2018 23:31:11 GMT
Cullen's about to catch up with Alistair.
Poor F/F Merrillmance, even Sebastian has more votes than her.
M/M Fenrismance and Inky/Sera are exactly even at 13 votes.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 8, 2018 1:08:18 GMT
(I haven't heard Hawke's lines for Merrill, Anders, or Sebastian) For Merrill: "Merrill is helping elven refugees who were displaced by the war. I didn't want to take her away from that. Merrill's spent enough time fighting for her life with me." For Sebastian: "Sebastian is the Chantry adviser in Starkhaven. The throne is still in contention there. Without him, it would be open war among the noble families. He'd have dropped everything to come with me but he'd have hated himself for doing it." For Anders: "I'm never happy leaving Anders alone, but once I realized Wardens were acting strangely, I had no choice. I've seen Corypheus affect Anders' mind before. If he was involved, I couldn't risk it happening again." So it seems like for all these three they still deeply care for each other, just either because of those feelings and/or events outside their control they have to be away from each other for a bit. Similar to the Warden and their LI.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jun 8, 2018 1:51:02 GMT
Hanako Ikezawa Those are all pretty nice! I especially like the Merrill one. The Anders one is just sort of... disturbing and sad, but seems real for him.
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Post by phoray on Jun 8, 2018 2:00:50 GMT
I like how Solas is still losing, but know it's a hollow victory considering how many seem so obsessed with him.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jun 8, 2018 2:11:51 GMT
I like how Solas is still losing, but know it's a hollow victory considering how many seem so obsessed with him. But this is specifically about romances. I know he has a lot of romance fans, but there are also a bunch of people that find his character intriguing outside of that.
Or perhaps it has to do with the feelings generated by the romance, which I wouldn't call positive. I don't deny that it's compelling and appealing for a certain segment, but that heartbreak isn't a positive thing. So perhaps the Solas fans are considering that in their votes, even if they do really like the Solas romance and all the drama it brings. You never know how people look at things!
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Post by Catilina on Jun 8, 2018 2:16:12 GMT
Hanako Ikezawa Those are all pretty nice! I especially like the Merrill one. The Anders one is just sort of... disturbing and sad, but seems real for him. Here the whole supportive line:
The non-supoortive also still together, but Hawke talks shit: seems s/he with him just for babysitting: says, that s/he never knew "Anders". All version: The difference: the supportive one doesn't have romance question (I heard you two were close...)
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Post by disgustednoise on Jun 8, 2018 2:42:38 GMT
M/M -> Dorian F/F -> Isabela M/F -> Morrigan F/M -> I don't really play this, so pass.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jun 8, 2018 2:49:59 GMT
M/M -> Dorian F/F -> Isabela M/F -> Morrigan F/M -> I don't really play this, so pass. You're alive!
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Post by Gilli on Jun 8, 2018 3:36:47 GMT
So my faves so far: fem!Warden x Alistair male!Warden x Morrigan female!Hawke x Merrill fem!Inquisitor x Josie male!Inquisitor x Dorian --- DAO: I only finished two PTs so far, and my 3rd Warden hasn't even met his future boyfriend yet, so I can't comment on Zevran yet. (or Leliana). DA2: Also only finished two PTs, romanced Anders and Merrill, both with a fem!Hawke. DAI: I have many finished PTs of DAI, but those two have been my faves so far.
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Post by disgustednoise on Jun 8, 2018 5:09:58 GMT
M/M -> Dorian F/F -> Isabela M/F -> Morrigan F/M -> I don't really play this, so pass. You're alive! Yep. Finally out of my gaming rut.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Jun 8, 2018 16:34:09 GMT
This thread makes me want to play through all the games again just to try new romances.
M/M - Dorian is probably my favorite, but I also love Zevran who was my first M/M romance ever F/M - Alistair (although I really wanted him for M/M) M/F - Cassandra F/F - Hmmm, now that I think about it, I don't think I've ever done a full F/F PT. Unfortunately I'm usually romancing the males who aren't available as M/M when playing female protagonist.
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Post by vertigomez on Jun 8, 2018 18:59:51 GMT
Current top three for each!
F/M: Alistair, Cullen, Solas. F/F: Sera, Isabela, Leliana. M/M: Dorian, Fenris, Anders. M/F: Morrigan, Josephine, Cassandra.
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Post by XJlock on Jun 8, 2018 20:16:40 GMT
M/F, Warden/Morrigan.
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Post by vertigomez on Jun 9, 2018 14:24:21 GMT
Current overall most popular men: Alistair, Dorian, Cullen. Current overall most popular women: Sera, Morrigan, Josephine. Of the bisexual female LIs, Isabela and Leliana are much more popular with female PCs than male (4.94% to 1.23%, 4.94% to 2.06%). Josephine and Merrill are slightly more popular with male PCs than female (4.12% to 2.88%, 2.47% to 1.43%). Of the bisexual male LIs, Anders is much more popular with male PCs than female (4.12% to 1.23%). Fenris and Bull are slightly more popular with male PCs than female (6.17% to 5.76%, 2.06% to 1.23%). Zevran is exactly equal for both (3.29%)! The least popular F/M ship is a three-way tie between Hawke/Anders, Hawke/Sebastian, and Inq/Bull. The least popular F/F ship is Hawke/Merrill. The least popular M/M ship is Inq/Bull. The least popular M/F ship is Hawke/Isabela. Some of the results.... don't exactlty line up with what I know about this fandom, but they're interesting nonetheless. I'll probably close the poll in a week or so.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jun 9, 2018 14:45:58 GMT
Some of the results.... don't exactlty line up with what I know about this fandom, but they're interesting nonetheless. I'll probably close the poll in a week or so. Are you surprised that Sera is so high? That's not a comment on Sera, but rather my surprise because she's so polarizing a character. Also, I'd be interested to get a further breakdown of player gender for this, as well. For example, just how many male and female players rolled opposite gender PCs because they really like Sera or Dorian, or similar with, say, Cullen or Cassandra*. While such a small sample size on a self-selected forum doesn't actually mean anything, it would still be interesting on those limited merits.
* Although, I think romance type also plays a factor in this as well, regardless of any gender combinations for player and character. I like Cassandra quite a bit -- she's one of my Inquisitor's closest friends -- and I might have considered romancing her, but her ultra-romantic traditional romance doesn't interest me at all. I feel the same about Cullen and Josephine's more traditional romances. It's just not my bag. Blackwall and Solas are liars, so no thanks. Not into BDSM. I have a personality clash with Sera. That leaves Dorian with his angsty healing romance, which is perfect for me. That type is also why I prefer the Fenris romance as well (regardless of gender).
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Post by vertigomez on Jun 9, 2018 15:03:09 GMT
Some of the results.... don't exactlty line up with what I know about this fandom, but they're interesting nonetheless. I'll probably close the poll in a week or so. Are you surprised that Sera is so high? That's not a comment on Sera, but rather my surprise because she's so polarizing a character. Also, I'd be interested to get a further breakdown of player gender for this, as well. For example, just how many male and female players rolled opposite gender PCs because they really like Sera or Dorian, or similar with, say, Cullen or Cassandra. While such a small sample size on a self-selected forum doesn't actually mean anything, it would still be interesting on those limited merits. I'm not surprised that Sera's in the lead for F/F; I'm more surprised that M/F pairings aren't higher, and that Leliana, Morrigan, Cass, etc. aren't overtaking Sera in terms of all-around most popular lady loves. *correct this in the post below* It could be because this is the Inquisition forum, or people who would've voted for M/F Isabela, Leliana, etc. just aren't making their voices heard. Not that I'm disappointed by Sera's popularity, mind. Finding out what gender of voter voted for which pairing would be interesting, I agree. Not just because some people reeaaally like Alistair/Dorian/Sera/Cass, etc. and are willing to roll a character of the necessary gender to romance them, but some people just enjoy playing as the opposite sex sometimes, or all the time, or any number of things.
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