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Post by smilesja on Jun 10, 2018 2:28:53 GMT
Today's reveals made me more interested, but you know what they say about mileage. seriously, are pretty graphics and shooting mechanics all it takes to please people anymore? I get that you’re skeptical, but don’t insult people who are excited about this game.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 10, 2018 2:52:24 GMT
seriously, are pretty graphics and shooting mechanics all it takes to please people anymore? I get that you’re skeptical, but don’t insult people who are excited about this game. Oh, believe me, I was skeptical BEFORE today Now I've blown past pessimistic and rapidly approaching despair for Bioware and AAA games in general. And it was a serious question, meant literally. Not an intended insult. I see nothing but pretty graphics and shooting mechanics to draw people to this. Jockey listed other qualities, which I think he is either being WILDLY optimistic or has wildly different priorities when it comes to a good game (I mean, "no predatory game economy" is considered a positive selling point? I think that should be an expected feature in the purchase of any game!). He thinks he can spend hundreds of hours playing this while I can see myself getting bored and walking away in two or three hours, tops.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 10, 2018 3:25:46 GMT
And yet, people are having kneejerk reaction toward Anthem and BioWare for the game just having MP. See this thread with an interview that explain how the co-op works. Anthem is a mission-based hot-join game where you can set your session to private (which means never see anyone unless you invite them). You can't even trade with other players. Anthem is less a multiplayer game than Monster Hunter World which has a multiplayer hub and trading with others. But Bioware, right now, has a different rep then CDPR in the eyes of most people. That’s the reason behind most negativity. That, and other major changes to the traditional formula. Which, while I might not be completely be fond of, is fine for Anthem, in my opinion, given that it’s a new IP. That is because people are looking past everything that CDPR has been doing as well. At this point of Andromeda's development cycle we were getting "Why is BioWare hiding Andromeda" nothing so far about CDPR. CDPR is losing developers, when people leave BioWare is the death of BioWare. CDPR released "free" content with The Witcher 3, but in reality if BioWare waited to add something like NG+ people would riot about how they were holding back content only to give it later. Andromeda was a bug riddled mess according to people online, but have you seen the patch notes for The Witcher 3? They are about the same. Online reputation as a company means squat when people want to push their own agenda.
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Post by MediocreOgre on Jun 10, 2018 3:30:36 GMT
As someone who is not that interested in the game, let me just say I can of course see why other people than me might like it and I hope it satisfies them.
That said, I do think us who have an uneasy feeling about the atrophying of many BioWare (and other companies) RPG paradigms need to be vocal but not make those who are interested in Anthem feel bad. Not that I really think anyone is really trying to do that yet and the people voicing frustration are mostly just sad Anthem feels like it won’t satisfy that true BioWare RPG itch many of us have.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 10, 2018 3:31:20 GMT
Today's reveals made me more interested, but you know what they say about mileage. seriously, are pretty graphics and shooting mechanics all it takes to please people anymore? People ripped apart Andromeda because it wasn't pretty graphics, so I would say yes for a lot of people all they want is the game to look pretty and are willing to have everything else sacrificed to give that to them.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 10, 2018 3:34:37 GMT
As someone who is not that interested in the game, let me just say I can of course see why other people than me might like it and I hope it satisfies them. That said, I do think us who have an uneasy feeling about the atrophying of many BioWare (and other companies) RPG paradigms need to be vocal but not make those who are interested in Anthem feel bad. Not that I really think anyone is really trying to do that yet and the people voicing frustration are mostly just sad Anthem feels like it won’t satisfy that true BioWare RPG itch many of us have. That is all fair, I have the belief that developers need to do different things and if they don't it becomes a problem. I think that was one of the issues around Mass Effect 3, they worked on one title and one type of game for so long that warning signs about things like the ending were not visible to them. Anthem could lead to BioWare making needed improvements in their other games when it comes to how they approach things. My concern is if BioWare just made games in the same vein as Mass Effect and Dragon Age, it would be the same as Ubisoft and their semi-annual release of "The Tower Climb Simulator: Gathering Edition". Where so many of their games feel the same just with a slightly different look and a couple of minor mechanic changes.
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Post by MediocreOgre on Jun 10, 2018 3:52:04 GMT
As someone who is not that interested in the game, let me just say I can of course see why other people than me might like it and I hope it satisfies them. That said, I do think us who have an uneasy feeling about the atrophying of many BioWare (and other companies) RPG paradigms need to be vocal but not make those who are interested in Anthem feel bad. Not that I really think anyone is really trying to do that yet and the people voicing frustration are mostly just sad Anthem feels like it won’t satisfy that true BioWare RPG itch many of us have. That is all fair, I have the belief that developers need to do different things and if they don't it becomes a problem. I think that was one of the issues around Mass Effect 3, they worked on one title and one type of game for so long that warning signs about things like the ending were not visible to them. Anthem could lead to BioWare making needed improvements in their other games when it comes to how they approach things. My concern is if BioWare just made games in the same vein as Mass Effect and Dragon Age, it would be the same as Ubisoft and their semi-annual release of "The Tower Climb Simulator: Gathering Edition". Where so many of their games feel the same just with a slightly different look and a couple of minor mechanic changes. Possibly, yes. Doing new things does tend to give good insights into your limitations and strengths. The new God of War being an example of innovation and trying new things being good. I have reservations in this case but they are more feelings at this point than fact (there are way more questions than answers on Anthem still) and some stuff I’ve learnt about BioWare over the years and meeting people such that I have a whole lot of conflicting thoughts about whether Anthem will be good for BioWare or not. Hope is great but at this point i’m Cultivating my hope muscles for other things than video games so I am neutral about it. And i I advise people to remember not liking a game is not the end of BioWare making games you will like nor should other people not liking something you like make you feel bad for liking it.
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Post by goishen on Jun 10, 2018 4:24:32 GMT
He thinks he can spend hundreds of hours playing this while I can see myself getting bored and walking away in two or three hours, tops.Wow, it would take you that long? 2-3 minutes tops, and I would be done with it. Great for Bungie. Where did my BioWare go?
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Post by river82 on Jun 10, 2018 5:33:37 GMT
I know people who stopped buy BioWare games since ME2/DA2 because they decided BioWare was getting to action instead of RPG oriented despite them having no issues buying shooters from other companies.Third person shooters, or first person shooters? Purists don't like 3rd person, especially in multiplayer where they consider the use of 3rd person "cheating" (lol, use the camera to see around the corner).
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Post by Fredward on Jun 10, 2018 6:32:45 GMT
I like the Storm suit. Kinda surprised and disappointed they didn't have more gameplay to show, especially at this stage.
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Post by river82 on Jun 10, 2018 6:34:20 GMT
Kinda surprised and disappointed they didn't have more gameplay to show, especially at this stage. People started to get suspicious when the delay dropped.
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Post by samhain444 on Jun 10, 2018 6:48:46 GMT
Looking at some of the replies in this thread, BioWare definitely went in the right direction with "Anthem".
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Post by General Mahad on Jun 10, 2018 7:31:09 GMT
Looking at some of the replies in this thread, BioWare definitely went in the right direction with "Anthem". You mean having even less content?
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Post by samhain444 on Jun 10, 2018 8:02:08 GMT
Looking at some of the replies in this thread, BioWare definitely went in the right direction with "Anthem". You mean having even less content? Nope
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Post by General Mahad on Jun 10, 2018 9:47:51 GMT
You mean having even less content? Nope Really? Because Anthem has less BioWare content like squad AI party, romances (can’t believe I’m defending romances), and limited variety of environments.
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Post by sil on Jun 10, 2018 9:54:42 GMT
Really? Because Anthem has less BioWare content like squad AI party, romances (can’t believe I’m defending romances), and limited variety of environments. Apparently they don't even have snow and desert environments. Looks like its a game of jungle. Yay.
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 10, 2018 10:05:12 GMT
But Bioware, right now, has a different rep then CDPR in the eyes of most people. That’s the reason behind most negativity. That, and other major changes to the traditional formula. Which, while I might not be completely be fond of, is fine for Anthem, in my opinion, given that it’s a new IP. That is because people are looking past everything that CDPR has been doing as well. At this point of Andromeda's development cycle we were getting "Why is BioWare hiding Andromeda" nothing so far about CDPR. CDPR is losing developers, when people leave BioWare is the death of BioWare. CDPR released "free" content with The Witcher 3, but in reality if BioWare waited to add something like NG+ people would riot about how they were holding back content only to give it later. Andromeda was a bug riddled mess according to people online, but have you seen the patch notes for The Witcher 3? They are about the same. Online reputation as a company means squat when people want to push their own agenda. I always thought it was a bit melodramatic to criticize a company just because now some devs leave. As for the NG+ thing, I disagree. If Bioware would do this for ME, YEah, people would be pissed. If they did that with DA, that never had the feature to begin with, they wouldn’t be pissed. Same goes for TW3. As for the bugs and patches, in general open world RPGs tend to have more of those. I think a problem with Andromeda is that it was clearly lacking in terms of problems in that regard beyond the average level of bugs for that kind of game. The fact that it was obviously, at launch, a rushed product (due to circumstances we didn’t know at the time), didn’t help. With a different rep, though, I meant also that. Having a different reputation makes it easier to pass through the negative parts of your game.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Jun 10, 2018 10:29:08 GMT
I’ve heard a lot of people say it outside these forums. Oh, I was only talking about the people here, people on other forums can be pretty crazy with their criticism.
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Post by helios969 on Jun 10, 2018 10:56:07 GMT
Really? Because Anthem has less BioWare content like squad AI party, romances (can’t believe I’m defending romances), and limited variety of environments. Apparently they don't even have snow and desert environments. Looks like its a game of jungle. Yay. If it's filled with substance that'll be a major improvement to the DAI/MEA approach of superficial content and hollow world-building. Of course they have to make good on that.
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Post by azarhal on Jun 10, 2018 12:22:31 GMT
Really? Because Anthem has less BioWare content like squad AI party, romances (can’t believe I’m defending romances), and limited variety of environments. Apparently they don't even have snow and desert environments. Looks like its a game of jungle. Yay. There is underwater environments (the first BioWare game to have "swimming" actually). Also, some area heavy with lava and another one that doesn't have much vegetation going by the game promotional material. Also, seasons were confirmed to be in, probably the main reasons why there is limited environments because that means doing the same environment textures/models for all seasons. With seasons, mountain tops might actually get snow in the winter too while them not really being snow environments.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 10, 2018 12:33:53 GMT
He thinks he can spend hundreds of hours playing this while I can see myself getting bored and walking away in two or three hours, tops. My assessment was sincere, we like different things (which we've both known for some years of chatting)
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Post by kouzje on Jun 10, 2018 13:50:41 GMT
They finally realized that the best romances were MP romances.
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Post by sil on Jun 10, 2018 14:52:11 GMT
They finally realized that the best romances were MP romances. "Romance is Anthem happens by finding a quiet hiding spot and using emotes with another player. We view it as an interactive experience for those players we're bringing along on this journey."
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Post by leadintea on Jun 10, 2018 15:17:00 GMT
Apparently they don't even have snow and desert environments. Looks like its a game of jungle. Yay. If it's filled with substance that'll be a major improvement to the DAI/MEA approach of superficial content and hollow world-building. Of course they have to make good on that. Yup. I'm surprised people actually even want deserts, especially,since Bioware abused their usage in both DAI and MEA, and in almost all of those instances, they were not only filled with little content but also had long sections of just traveling from Point A to Point B. I'd personally be ecstatic if we never got a single desert area in a Bioware game ever again.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 10, 2018 16:26:18 GMT
I'll take less diverse environments for seasons! Which is something I haven't seen before in a dynamic way. I only know zones stuck forever in spring or fall. For Bioware to go from no day/night cycle to seasons has be... slightly intrigued.
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