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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 19, 2018 17:57:40 GMT
It would make no sense considering the ending to ME3. There's no way they could do it properly even if it's set thousands of years in the future. And I have no interest in prequels. Which? The DA/ME crossover that I mostly meant in jest? Easily handled. Magic, darkspawn, etc. prevents RGB from affecting them. Reapers become essentially inert on Thedas OR the darkspawn are a bastardized version of husks. I'm telling you, this could work. However, I can't ever see it becoming a game. It's sometimes nice to fantasize about things that will never come to pass.
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Post by biggydx on Aug 26, 2018 4:55:11 GMT
I mean, once we exhaust Andromeda as a setting, where else is there to go? Reboot the series and go back to the Milky Way? I'm more in favor of sticking with Andromeda right now, but saying that the series should never return to the Milky Way because of peoples sensibilities over an ending to a game that would be 20 years old (assuming an Andromeda trilogy) is ridiculous in my mind.
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Post by sil on Aug 26, 2018 12:25:10 GMT
I mean, once we exhaust Andromeda as a setting, where else is there to go? Reboot the series and go back to the Milky Way? I'm more in favor of sticking with Andromeda right now, but saying that the series should never return to the Milky Way because of peoples sensibilities over an ending to a game that would be 20 years old (assuming an Andromeda trilogy) is ridiculous in my mind. Considering how vast the Andromeda galaxy is, and the fact we've only seen 1 cluster (which has about 30 stars), I think it would take a long time to finish in Andromeda. I also doubt Bioware would risk another ending like ME3's.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 26, 2018 12:38:51 GMT
I mean, once we exhaust Andromeda as a setting, where else is there to go? Reboot the series and go back to the Milky Way? I'm more in favor of sticking with Andromeda right now, but saying that the series should never return to the Milky Way because of peoples sensibilities over an ending to a game that would be 20 years old (assuming an Andromeda trilogy) is ridiculous in my mind. Considering how vast the Andromeda galaxy is, and the fact we've only seen 1 cluster (which has about 30 stars), I think it would take a long time to finish in Andromeda. I also doubt Bioware would risk another ending like ME3's. I also think BioWare isn't planning Andromeda to be a trilogy like Mass Effect 3 either. The way I always took what was being said is that they could connect the games, but they aren't going to try to tell one continuous story across multiple games.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 26, 2018 15:22:46 GMT
Considering how vast the Andromeda galaxy is, and the fact we've only seen 1 cluster (which has about 30 stars), I think it would take a long time to finish in Andromeda. I also doubt Bioware would risk another ending like ME3's. I also think BioWare isn't planning Andromeda to be a trilogy like Mass Effect 3 either. The way I always took what was being said is that they could connect the games, but they aren't going to try to tell one continuous story across multiple games. To be fair, ME1 probably wasn't meant to be a trilogy, or at least there was no certainty about it. It ended with us knowing that Shepard was having further adventures seeking out the Reapers but no definite plans for a sequel. By the time ME2 came around, EA was in control and likely led to the drastic changes in tone of the game. It's probably why it diverged so greatly from the theme of the trilogy before getting back on track in ME3.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 26, 2018 15:25:24 GMT
I mean, once we exhaust Andromeda as a setting, where else is there to go? Reboot the series and go back to the Milky Way? I'm more in favor of sticking with Andromeda right now, but saying that the series should never return to the Milky Way because of peoples sensibilities over an ending to a game that would be 20 years old (assuming an Andromeda trilogy) is ridiculous in my mind. Considering how vast the Andromeda galaxy is, and the fact we've only seen 1 cluster (which has about 30 stars), I think it would take a long time to finish in Andromeda. I also doubt Bioware would risk another ending like ME3's. Yeah the ME3 ending is just as divisive as the Star Wars sequels.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 26, 2018 18:11:00 GMT
I also think BioWare isn't planning Andromeda to be a trilogy like Mass Effect 3 either. The way I always took what was being said is that they could connect the games, but they aren't going to try to tell one continuous story across multiple games. To be fair, ME1 probably wasn't meant to be a trilogy, or at least there was no certainty about it. It ended with us knowing that Shepard was having further adventures seeking out the Reapers but no definite plans for a sequel. By the time ME2 came around, EA was in control and likely led to the drastic changes in tone of the game. It's probably why it diverged so greatly from the theme of the trilogy before getting back on track in ME3. I tried to find a link, but the ones I found are now dead. From interviews either just before or after the release of Mass Effect 1 they stated they designed the games to be a trilogy to be linked together with choices and that is what caused them to try and incorporate saves into the next game.
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 31, 2018 10:03:32 GMT
My opinion is, that this series has to be either rebooted or really buried once and for all. If BioWare and EA were smart they should reboot the trilogy to have a sequel that takes place after ME3.
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 1, 2018 3:32:52 GMT
My opinion is, that this series has to be either rebooted or really buried once and for all. If BioWare and EA were smart they should reboot the trilogy to have a sequel that takes place after ME3. That's the opposite of smart imo.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 1, 2018 7:10:19 GMT
If BioWare and EA were smart they should reboot the trilogy to have a sequel that takes place after ME3. That's the opposite of smart imo. I agree. What would be the point of a sequel? Just roll the post-war stuff into the trilogy. ME2 was relatively short. It can be lengthened to include some stuff from ME3, which would make room for some post-war gaming, maybe even as an end game DLC.
I don't think I'd buy a reboot. I'd always be comparing it, from start to finish, looking for the flaws or thinking how it's not the "real" Mass Effect. A remaster I could deal with but not a full on reboot. ME1 had a certain charm that was lost in the succeeding games. It also had a style of fighting and the talent tree that was thrown out in ME2 and ME3. Finding armor to do upgrades, making them race specific, deciding who gets the best armor (probably Shepard, but maybe a squadmate is more likely to fall than you and so they'd get better armor). This was some real RP stuff that I'm certain would be ignored in a reboot. What would happen is that we'd get even more of a FPS with a few elements of RPG thrown in. Worst possible reboot ever.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Sept 1, 2018 8:08:04 GMT
I don't think I'd buy a reboot. I'd always be comparing it, from start to finish, looking for the flaws or thinking how it's not the "real" Mass Effect. A remaster I could deal with but not a full on reboot. ME1 had a certain charm that was lost in the succeeding games. It also had a style of fighting and the talent tree that was thrown out in ME2 and ME3. Finding armor to do upgrades, making them race specific, deciding who gets the best armor (probably Shepard, but maybe a squadmate is more likely to fall than you and so they'd get better armor). This was some real RP stuff that I'm certain would be ignored in a reboot. What would happen is that we'd get even more of a FPS with a few elements of RPG thrown in. Worst possible reboot ever. Thank you. I am also of the mind, the charm was lost - some of it was bought back by MEA, but I guess I'm in the minority wanting the games to have a coherent outlook/graphics. ME1's 70's lighting is the main thing for me. Maybe I'll try some shaders on top of MEA later on ME2 went way too dark "color burn" and clean suddenly, ME3 followed it fixing most of the "color burn". I love the fighting and talent trees in it, and the armor stuff for companions, also had best UNC side missions maybe because they were so mysterious in a way - Normandy music did a lot for this. In MEA also the ambient bg music makes me wonder the space on board Tempest.
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 1, 2018 12:52:30 GMT
That's the opposite of smart imo. I agree. What would be the point of a sequel? Just roll the post-war stuff into the trilogy. ME2 was relatively short. It can be lengthened to include some stuff from ME3, which would make room for some post-war gaming, maybe even as an end game DLC.
I don't think I'd buy a reboot. I'd always be comparing it, from start to finish, looking for the flaws or thinking how it's not the "real" Mass Effect. A remaster I could deal with but not a full on reboot. ME1 had a certain charm that was lost in the succeeding games. It also had a style of fighting and the talent tree that was thrown out in ME2 and ME3. Finding armor to do upgrades, making them race specific, deciding who gets the best armor (probably Shepard, but maybe a squadmate is more likely to fall than you and so they'd get better armor). This was some real RP stuff that I'm certain would be ignored in a reboot. What would happen is that we'd get even more of a FPS with a few elements of RPG thrown in. Worst possible reboot ever.
Its true that the race specific stuff was true RP but I can't think of any other RPG game that does that other than a table top. For me ME1 was the weakest of the OT.
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Post by cloud9 on Sept 1, 2018 21:30:50 GMT
If BioWare and EA were smart they should reboot the trilogy to have a sequel that takes place after ME3. That's the opposite of smart imo. I think you just want to rain on people's posts that doesn't suit yours.
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 1, 2018 22:55:16 GMT
That's the opposite of smart imo. I think you just want to rain on people's posts that doesn't suit yours. Nope. It was a simple statement.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Sept 2, 2018 1:15:09 GMT
For me ME1 was the weakest of the OT. What order did you play the games in? When you say weakest, I assume you still loved it? Otherwise, why even play 2 or 3? It was the most complete of the three games, and it built a compelling world that you still want to play in. Perhaps your rose tint could use some adjustment?
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Post by cloud9 on Sept 2, 2018 1:17:14 GMT
Of course in the Milky way. And with commander Shepard in the lead on Akuze. That should've been a playable back story for ME1 to see for what is like what Shepard has been through, and the opportunity for the writers give the protagonist character development.
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Post by quole on Sept 2, 2018 1:21:07 GMT
It would make no sense considering the ending to ME3. There's no way they could do it properly even if it's set thousands of years in the future. And I have no interest in prequels. Which? The DA/ME crossover that I mostly meant in jest? Easily handled. Magic, darkspawn, etc. prevents RGB from affecting them. Reapers become essentially inert on Thedas OR the darkspawn are a bastardized version of husks. I'm telling you, this could work. However, I can't ever see it becoming a game. It's sometimes nice to fantasize about things that will never come to pass. ?? I was talking to the op.
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Post by cloud9 on Sept 2, 2018 1:24:55 GMT
What if the destruction of the mass relays at the end of Mass Effect 3 caused either the solar systems to be destroyed or erase all life in those systems without destroying the planets in them?
At the end of Priority Thessia the Asari Councilor mentions continuity of civilization.
What if the next Mass Effect had the protagonist be part of an mission to a solar system without a mass relay during the same time Shepard blows up the Mass Relays? And this mission finds various civilizations at different points of development?
What would you think of being given the choice to interfere with the development of alien civilizations like what the Protheans did?
With this getup what would be an interesting antagonist? A society that just invented FTL? Or Cerberus infiltrators?
Yes. I think they should do the Milky Way galaxy to expand the story that takes place after the Trilogy. But in order to do that they should've reboot the trilogy, and rewrite the entire ending to have a sequel that takes place after the Trilogy. I would prefer if they take concepts of DA:Origins style of storytelling and tone setting as a foundation for ME3. And having a sequel to Andromeda and not create a sequel that takes place in the MW makes absolutely no sense.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 2, 2018 1:43:26 GMT
For me ME1 was the weakest of the OT. What order did you play the games in? When you say weakest, I assume you still loved it? Otherwise, why even play 2 or 3? It was the most complete of the three games, and it built a compelling world that you still want to play in. Perhaps your rose tint could use some adjustment? Can't he just have liked ME1, rather than loving it? And saying that ME1 was the weakest game in the series isn't the same thing as saying that it was bad.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Sept 2, 2018 1:48:16 GMT
What order did you play the games in? When you say weakest, I assume you still loved it? Otherwise, why even play 2 or 3? It was the most complete of the three games, and it built a compelling world that you still want to play in. Perhaps your rose tint could use some adjustment? Can't he just have liked ME1, rather than loving it? And saying that ME1 was the weakest game in the series isn't the same thing as saying that it was bad. Yes, he may have just liked it. I agree that there is not an insinuation of bad. I struggle to see how it falls short of either subsequent game other than in shooting things more betterer with fancier graphics. This is why I asked him the question. Thanks for your input though.
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Post by Sanunes on Sept 2, 2018 3:31:33 GMT
Can't he just have liked ME1, rather than loving it? And saying that ME1 was the weakest game in the series isn't the same thing as saying that it was bad. Yes, he may have just liked it. I agree that there is not an insinuation of bad. I struggle to see how it falls short of either subsequent game other than in shooting things more betterer with fancier graphics. This is why I asked him the question. Thanks for your input though. The thing is there are different things for different folks. Some of the issues I had was the disparity between different versions of armors and weapon, or UNC planets were boring, Mako was a pain to handle, dialogue that was repeating, the skill system, I didn't even find the companions that interesting outside of Wrex.
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Post by Arcian on Sept 2, 2018 9:23:20 GMT
What if the destruction of the mass relays at the end of Mass Effect 3 caused either the solar systems to be destroyed or erase all life in those systems without destroying the planets in them?
At the end of Priority Thessia the Asari Councilor mentions continuity of civilization.
What if the next Mass Effect had the protagonist be part of an mission to a solar system without a mass relay during the same time Shepard blows up the Mass Relays? And this mission finds various civilizations at different points of development?
What would you think of being given the choice to interfere with the development of alien civilizations like what the Protheans did?
With this getup what would be an interesting antagonist? A society that just invented FTL? Or Cerberus infiltrators?
Yes. I think they should do the Milky Way galaxy to expand the story that takes place after the Trilogy. But in order to do that they should've reboot the trilogy, and rewrite the entire ending to have a sequel that takes place after the Trilogy. I would prefer if they take concepts of DA:Origins style of storytelling and tone setting as a foundation for ME3. And having a sequel to Andromeda and not create a sequel that takes place in the MW makes absolutely no sense. <iframe width="23.62000000000012" height="8.28000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 23.62000000000012px; height: 8.28000000000003px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_89124324" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="23.62000000000012" height="8.28000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 23.62px; height: 8.28px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1121px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_56868483" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="23.62000000000012" height="8.28000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 23.62px; height: 8.28px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 350px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_34893651" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="23.62000000000012" height="8.28000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 23.62px; height: 8.28px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1121px; top: 350px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_60471581" scrolling="no"></iframe> I'm with you, man. Milky Way or bust.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 2, 2018 18:00:19 GMT
Can't he just have liked ME1, rather than loving it? And saying that ME1 was the weakest game in the series isn't the same thing as saying that it was bad. Yes, he may have just liked it. I agree that there is not an insinuation of bad. I struggle to see how it falls short of either subsequent game other than in shooting things more betterer with fancier graphics. This is why I asked him the question. Thanks for your input though. I just thought your question was oddly phrased. As for the answer, this isn't rocket science. Sanunes' reply above strikes me as pretty typical. I could have posted it myself. There's a fairly common list of things that the sequels are said to do better than ME1. The squadmate convos are much better in the sequels, for instance; no info-dumps. Some players value those improvements more than you do. There's also a list of things where there's general disagreement. Were ME1's UNC missions any good, for instance? YMMV, and if you vote no then obviously the sequels look better. Doesn't hurt ME1 too much since if you think the UNC missions are pointless wastes of time then you can simply do few or none of them
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Post by starlord on Sept 2, 2018 18:51:04 GMT
Spitballing here: these would all take place during Shepard’s arc and nothing needs to be retconned. @bioware staff hire me. LOL jk
A family escaping a reaper infested world, with your choices affecting whether or not a certain member lives or dies a la Until Dawn. Make it survival horror-like. A video game version of A Quiet Place. Maybe they encounter a futuristic version of Doomsday prepper and shit takes a spooky turn.
A private eye on Omega finds a terrified young up and comer in the gangs in their office, they are tasked with finding a missing notable figure in the galaxy- celebrity, politician, etc. who was kidnapped by said gang for ransom. They escaped and are stuck on the dingy dangerous station and all of these criminals are looking for them for various reasons.
A young soldier in a small group of twenty something soldiers (each with different backgrounds ex-member of gang, war refugee, maybe even different species) are forced to get along and work together in an elite Alliance training school. Members can be killed, romanced, friends, rivals- maybe there’s a conspiracy at hand- maybe a dire mission.
Overall, I believe grounded stories have so much potential and with a futuristic lens would be SO unique. Also they could experiment with different genres and themes and messages, and not feel like they’re taking a chance with a big budget game or something. Not everything has to be “end of the world” a small story based game would be low risk and force them to come back to what really made BioWare shine: the story. Also if they’re relatively short time commitments, they can make them heavily choice based with lots of replay value.
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