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Post by phoray on Jul 13, 2018 15:23:46 GMT
Even if they didn't apply it to our romance options, it does raise an interesting point that among all the cultures that feature in Thedas, not one has polygamy as the norm. They have monogamous marriage and mistresses, much as was found in western Europe right up until the present, or no marriage at all and just an ordered breeding programme that I can't recall featuring anywhere but religious cults IRL, but none of the marriage arrangements that have featured as normal culture throughout history around the rest of the globe. May be we shall discover it is something that was common in ancient times among the human tribes but was conveniently "forgotten" by Chantry historians. Haven didn't get into it's marriage explainations, but if any cult were to be into it, one with a male cult leader would
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Post by IllustriousT on Jul 13, 2018 16:19:21 GMT
I will probably play the game multiple times - so, any and all options are welcomed!
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Post by alanc9 on Jul 13, 2018 16:42:57 GMT
This. 3x the work for not 3x the outcome. Any romances are already hard enough. I do know why it would be more work, it seems people keep assuming you would date BOTH members of the established couple and that's simply not true. I have two husbands. They don't date each other. I'm going on a date with a married man this Saturday- I am not dating his wife. It could/would still be a one on one relationship with a person that is happily dating/married to the other person and that other person is completely aware and happy their partner has found a 2nd person to love. Well, it's not more work as long as neither the two NPC partners nor anybody else acknowledges the existence of the polygamous relationship. I'm not sure that's a satisfactory design solution, but since I'm not in the target market I'm not sure I ought to be judging that.
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Post by phoray on Jul 13, 2018 16:54:16 GMT
Well, it's not more work as long as neither the two NPC partners nor anybody else acknowledges the existence of the polygamous relationship. I'm not sure that's a satisfactory design solution, but since I'm not in the target market I'm not sure I ought to be judging that. What kinda recognition do you need from the other partner other than a general sentence "I'm cool with what's going on" ? Otherwise, they would be as Cole, Vivienne, Leliana. Talking about their lives and goals, people whom they love which includes your current partner. That would be really weird if my first husband only ever talked about my 2nd and I's relationship. I'd assume he was fixating and work with him on healthy boundaries, getting his own hobbies. Worse case scenario, couple's counseling to deal with why he's obsessed. But luckily, so long as husband 2 and I are doing well together, husband 1 talks about his own life when we talk to each other. Work, what he had for lunch, the dogs at home, our upcoming mutual vacation to Washington DC. And unless you're wanting people (other NPCs) to be disrespectful and judgemental, the most you'd want is for them to say something like, "That's different. Wouldn't work for me. Hope you're happy."
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Post by LogicGunn on Jul 13, 2018 17:41:46 GMT
Whatever romance types they can include in a game is cool with me. Whether I would have a character in the relationship would depend only on how much I liked the romance options and not on the nature of the relationship. Same with an asexual romance.
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Post by Fredward on Jul 13, 2018 18:00:42 GMT
Yeah, definitely open to it. I'm also not sure why it would be that much more difficult than a regular romance. We already occasionally have companions flirting/romancing each other, even when they're both also available to the player, why not just add a branch where all three are okay and into each other? It's obviously more work but it seems to be more work wrt quantity not quality, like it's not an entirely new concept that needs to be built from the ground up I mean.
Plus who among us hasn't daydreamed about being tag teamed by Adoribull?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 13, 2018 18:43:47 GMT
Plus who among us hasn't daydreamed about being tag teamed by Adoribull?
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jul 13, 2018 18:50:49 GMT
Plus who among us hasn't daydreamed about being tag teamed by Adoribull? Keep your fantasies applied to your own self, please. And yes, I get it was mainly a joke. But no. Dorian is my LI, so this isn't about anti-gay stuff. I find Iron Bull repulsive and I also dislike the pairing. Plus who among us hasn't daydreamed about being tag teamed by Adoribull? All the likes in the universe. I want no part of that pairing.
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Post by Felya87 on Jul 13, 2018 18:58:13 GMT
I don't think I would be much interested. I don't even flirt with other characters when I pursue a certain LI.
But if it mean my girl being welcomed by two good looking guys...well, I think I would be somehow interested (yup. Dirty mind at work here.).
But I feel it would work better for a one night stand than a full romance.
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Post by river82 on Jul 13, 2018 21:43:45 GMT
The word for two or more wives is polygyny. The definition of polygamy (from Merriam Webster) is marriage in which a spouse of either sex may have more than one mate at the same time.Sigh. River. Hmmm, I sense exasperation. I sense frustration. I sense that you may have been making a joke of some kind and I took things too seriously. ... Whoops.
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Post by Blaze on Jul 13, 2018 23:50:25 GMT
isn't the main problem with polygamy is that you have more than one mother in law?
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Post by zarrokhai on Jul 14, 2018 1:15:27 GMT
isn't the main problem with polygamy is that you have more than one mother in law? Damn, didn't think this one through. Not sounding like a good idea now...
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Post by KingDarious BBB on Jul 14, 2018 1:58:23 GMT
I'm not against it but how would it work? Will it be guy and girl or 2 people of the same sex.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 14, 2018 8:36:26 GMT
If polygamy means actual marriage then we have not had that many opportunities to tie the knot in any of the games. Most of the time we are just in a long term relationship by the end.
If it means having more than one LI at the same time, well my Cousland pretty much pulled that off in DAO. During the course of the game he had sex with everyone that he could (not forgetting the foursome he had with Isabella, Leliana and Zevran), before finally settling on an arrangement that he felt would be politically acceptable. He married Anora, had Zevran as his official lover and Leliana still seemed to adore him at the end, so I assume continued in platonic fashion thereafter. It seems that the team shied away from this set up thereafter as in subsequent games you could end up in a relationship with only one person and definitely had to break off with one before you could take another one to the same level. In fact, in many cases, if you took it too far you were stuck with that person even if you had second thoughts later. So I think the writing team do now seem to favour monogamy, whether literal in the marriage sense, or simply as applies to relationships.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jul 14, 2018 10:04:22 GMT
If it means having more than one LI at the same time, well my Cousland pretty much pulled that off in DAO. You can go through many of the LI in all of the games. That said, when this topic is mentioned, people who are interested want it as an actual romance option that is recognized in the game -- an established relationship with more that one person. It's not the same thing as having sex with one LI, breaking it off, then moving onto another as the game permits.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jul 14, 2018 11:03:37 GMT
Then there's the issue of who gets to enjoy the polygamy feature. Straight men, straight women, bi women, gay men?
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jul 14, 2018 11:47:51 GMT
Then there's the issue of who gets to enjoy the polygamy feature. Straight men, straight women, bi women, gay men? It depends on how they do it. It could conceivably be for everyone.
Players are assuming that a poly relationship would be the PC involved with two people, but that doesn't necessarily have to be the case. It could be an existing bi m/f couple that are both open to the player, depending on preference. The player becomes involved with one of them, which is a similar arrangement to what phoray described in her own circumstance.
For this case...
a straight male PC would pair with the female NPC, a straight female PC would pair with the male NPC, a gay male PC would pair with the male NPC, and
a lesbian PC would pair with the female NPC, while the bi people would have to choose one.
That is still a poly relationship, it's just not the PC who is partnered with multiple people, but an NPC.
I'll be perfectly honest and say that I really dislike the whole idea. There are many people that wouldn't want to be in this arrangement and it is taking away potential LI from those people. What if my idea above is used and the bi slots go to those NPCs? I imagine that a lot of people would be upset that a bi slot was "wasted."
And then there's the aspect that there would need to be some serious conversation about the arrangement, which would necessarily take away from the other romance lovey-dovey content. You also risk the player feeling like a third wheel to an established couple. It just seems to me that the cons outweigh the pros for this option.
I'd much rather have an asexual romance for those folks. I'd much rather have a trans romance with Maevaris. If Bioware wants to do something new, I think those better fit the romance framework already in place that we've had for three games.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jul 14, 2018 15:25:39 GMT
Then there's the issue of who gets to enjoy the polygamy feature. Straight men, straight women, bi women, gay men? It depends on how they do it. It could conceivably be for everyone.
Players are assuming that a poly relationship would be the PC involved with two people, but that doesn't necessarily have to be the case. It could be an existing bi m/f couple that are both open to the player, depending on preference. The player becomes involved with one of them, which is a similar arrangement to what phoray described in her own circumstance.
For this case...
a straight male PC would pair with the female NPC, a straight female PC would pair with the male NPC, a gay male PC would pair with the male NPC, and
a lesbian PC would pair with the female NPC, while the bi people would have to choose one.
That is still a poly relationship, it's just not the PC who is partnered with multiple people, but an NPC.
I'll be perfectly honest and say that I really dislike the whole idea. There are many people that wouldn't want to be in this arrangement and it is taking away potential LI from those people. What if my idea above is used and the bi slots go to those NPCs? I imagine that a lot of people would be upset that a bi slot was "wasted."
And then there's the aspect that there would need to be some serious conversation about the arrangement, which would necessarily take away from the other romance lovey-dovey content. You also risk the player feeling like a third wheel to an established couple. It just seems to me that the cons outweigh the pros for this option.
I'd much rather have an asexual romance for those folks. I'd much rather have a trans romance with Maevaris. If Bioware wants to do something new, I think those better fit the romance framework already in place that we've had for three games.
Ooohhhh! Ohhh god no, no. Gay men will always have only two options so if one of my options is a bi guy who is with another woman, oh god no, no, nono, NO. NO! It wouldn't be any better if it was another man or a gay guy with another man, just to be clear. I would only welcome polygamy if it doesn't '' ruin '' my chances at the ideal romance lol. That's probably a bit harsh and selfish..
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Post by opuspace on Jul 14, 2018 17:58:06 GMT
On one hand, I can see how they might pull it off. On the other, I think it's a little too daring even for Bioware. They already are dealing with ravenous piranha when it comes to delivering satisfying monogamous relationships.
It'd be like seeing a glitched Garrus/Tali relationship develop while you're romancing either one. Both Garrus and Talimancers would likely kill off the other one to avoid the aggravation of jealousy.
Meh. Easier for now to work on other types of relationships.
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Post by warden on Jul 14, 2018 20:16:20 GMT
If I can make twisted things, maybe.
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Post by Zemgus on Jul 14, 2018 21:01:15 GMT
I mean, if they can make it work, sure, but it seems like a lot of variables to consider and I think the current allocation of resources to romances vs other content is quite high. I'd rather scale it back to DA2 style. Four options, open to everyone. What was great about those four options though was that for each romance there were two different paths... I would like to see the friendship/rivalry-system return as well.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 15, 2018 8:18:27 GMT
You can go through many of the LI in all of the games. That said, when this topic is mentioned, people who are interested want it as an actual romance option that is recognized in the game -- an established relationship with more that one person. It's not the same thing as having sex with one LI, breaking it off, then moving onto another as the game permits. My point was that essentially my Cousland had slept with Leliana and then with Zevran, without having broken off with Leliana. Okay I'll admit I was subsequently asked to make a choice (by Leliana) but until I spoke with her you could essentially argue I was in a polygamous relationship. Then I added Anora into the mix. Subsequent games have not allowed this. You can flirt with multiple people but you are not allowed to take it further without breaking up with the previous person, either assumed by the game or insisted upon by the character (usually the latter). This would suggest that the writers prefer having monogamous relationships represented. To be honest I prefer monogamy myself but had played the Cousland character the way I did because it fitted the persona I had worked out for him and was experimenting with things I hadn't done on previous play throughs. I agree the simplest way to give a polygamous relationship in game would be for the PC to form an attachment to someone who was already in a relationship with an NPC and for that person to be okay with it. However, I think the OP was more suggesting that the PC would be the focal point in the polygamy and have multiple relationships with otherwise unconnected people. So more like the situation I described for my Cousland, except that all parties would be okay with the arrangement and the game would acknowledge it as such.
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Post by phoray on Jul 15, 2018 15:12:05 GMT
Didn't MEA do this a little bit? Keri?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2018 16:41:45 GMT
Didn't MEA do this a little bit? Keri? Keri is just an affair, plain and simple. She even promises to keep it a secret.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jul 16, 2018 10:14:15 GMT
Interestingly enough the upcoming Pathfinder: Kingmaker is giving the player the option of entering into a poly relationship. I have doubts about how they're handling it, but they don't actually relate to the poly part. And I'm going to spoiler cut this in case anyone doesn't want to know what's up with this forthcoming cRPG.
Two of your companions are in a relationship with each other. The player has the option of romancing both Octavia and Regongar and the same time, or breaking them up and only romancing only one of them.
I would be fine with this as an interesting option ... except that Octavia and Regongar are the only two bisexual romance options, and there are no gay characters that you can romance. So straight PCs have the option of romancing someone unattached (Valerie or Tristian depending on their gender) but gay PCs are forced to break up an existing couple if they want to romance anybody. I am not sure how this can be anything other than a terrible idea.
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