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Post by Nightscrawl on Jul 16, 2018 11:54:30 GMT
Andraste_RebornOn top of the concerns you raised, I would just feel like an asshole for breaking up a couple just because I want one of them for myself. I mean, yeah I get that that's real, but that's more realism than I want in my video game relationship.
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Post by Sanunes on Jul 16, 2018 11:58:01 GMT
Didn't MEA do this a little bit? Keri? I just used Keri to pad out the romance count, but it felt more like an affair as posted above. The problem for me at least is that I think this probably would be close to the approach BioWare takes with the idea. A couple of minor lines of dialogue to acknowledge you are in a relationship with someone else.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jul 16, 2018 12:42:13 GMT
Interestingly enough the upcoming Pathfinder: Kingmaker is giving the player the option of entering into a poly relationship. I have doubts about how they're handling it, but they don't actually relate to the poly part. And I'm going to spoiler cut this in case anyone doesn't want to know what's up with this forthcoming cRPG.
Two of your companions are in a relationship with each other. The player has the option of romancing both Octavia and Regongar and the same time, or breaking them up and only romancing only one of them.
I would be fine with this as an interesting option ... except that Octavia and Regongar are the only two bisexual romance options, and there are no gay characters that you can romance. So straight PCs have the option of romancing someone unattached (Valerie or Tristian depending on their gender) but gay PCs are forced to break up an existing couple if they want to romance anybody. I am not sure how this can be anything other than a terrible idea.
I want to be so angry about what you just shared, but at this point I'd be a fool to expect better from anybody.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jul 16, 2018 13:12:02 GMT
Interestingly enough the upcoming Pathfinder: Kingmaker is giving the player the option of entering into a poly relationship. I have doubts about how they're handling it, but they don't actually relate to the poly part. And I'm going to spoiler cut this in case anyone doesn't want to know what's up with this forthcoming cRPG.
Two of your companions are in a relationship with each other. The player has the option of romancing both Octavia and Regongar and the same time, or breaking them up and only romancing only one of them.
I would be fine with this as an interesting option ... except that Octavia and Regongar are the only two bisexual romance options, and there are no gay characters that you can romance. So straight PCs have the option of romancing someone unattached (Valerie or Tristian depending on their gender) but gay PCs are forced to break up an existing couple if they want to romance anybody. I am not sure how this can be anything other than a terrible idea.
I want to be so angry about what you just shared, but at this point I'd be a fool to expect better from anybody. Yeah, I don't blame you . I hope they get some criticism about it when the game actually comes out.
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Post by Norstaera on Jul 16, 2018 15:06:29 GMT
I'm a simple girl.
I liked it in Origins when I got called on being with person A when I was already in a romance w/ person B. TBH, I did take advantage of the "don't talk after a certain point" mechanic a couple of times in order to end the game w/ 2 LI's. They fit the role play for those characters but by and large I like one clear LI at the end.
That said, I can definitely see role play possibilities for a character to have more than one 'friends w/ benefits' relationship at a time. That would change if your character decided to pursue a deeper relationship with someone - whether one of your fwb's or not. However, I don't know if it's worth the time/resources to make it work. And it's not really polygamy, but I think that would, no matter how it was structured, involve even more time and resources. Romance (or the choice not to) is important to developing your character, IMO, but there has to be a limit somewhere.
DO NOT lock me into a romance. I want to be able to break it off at anytime before that last battle. Yes, some LI's can break it off with me, like Solas did, or if they totally disagree with my decisions. That's perfectly acceptable, and even desirable (for some LI's, not all, of course). I want to be able to start a new romance after one is ended. Why on Thedas am I considered romance-locked if the other person is doing the breaking up? That doesn't make any sense to me at all. If, during the course of a playthrough, I decide that I know longer want to be romantically linked with X, then I want to be able to break up and move on. Remember the jealousy dialog between Fenris and Anders, or Leliana and Morrigan? There were some great exchanges.
If your pc has a polygamous relationship, there has to be acknowledgment by your companions at some point. This can be in actual dialog or travel banter. The relationship doesn't exist in a vacuum, after all. Then there's the issue of how such a relationship fits in the lore of Thedas. The [southern] Chantry and the Dalish view monogamous relationships as being right and proper and would strongly disapprove of a polygamous one. I may be wrong about the Dalish, but that's my understanding. Now, nobles might accept a political marriage and an outside romance as being perfectly normal and reasonable. Though, you still technically only have one actual romance. Would a polygamous relationship preclude you from certain quests, or at least make them harder? Especially if those quests involve convincing someone or some organization to back you, to be on your team, to do something else you want them to do. The Qunari, on the other hand, might not view a polygamous relationship any differently than a monogamous one since they don't really have/approve/recognize/whatever romantic relationships at all, or at least not important except as a tool.
All in all, I'm going to say no to polygamy. As interesting as it might be to have the option, I just think the return on time/resources is too small. I've rambled enough and, like I said earlier, I'm a simple girl.
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Post by MediocreOgre on Jul 16, 2018 16:49:44 GMT
Many romances with male characters that are f/m or m/m had you romancing the specter of a dead wife or girlfriend as well as the male character.
Plus there was the Gil/Jill innovation of MEA.
I am confident that if BioWare did polyamory it would be about as much fun as that.
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Post by alanc9 on Jul 16, 2018 17:17:16 GMT
Many romances with male characters that are f/m or m/m had you romancing the specter of a dead wife or girlfriend as well as the male character. Of course, Bio played that trope with a female NPC all the way back in BG2. Arguably HotU as well, although it doesn't come up as much there.
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Post by MediocreOgre on Jul 16, 2018 18:42:50 GMT
Many romances with male characters that are f/m or m/m had you romancing the specter of a dead wife or girlfriend as well as the male character. Of course, Bio played that trope with a female NPC all the way back in BG2. Arguably HotU as well, although it doesn't come up as much there. They used the trope with Cass too but note she really does not bring it up compared to say Steve, which is the most exemplar case study of advanced Carth Syndrome and Thane which is just a romance where the Carth Syndrome is so severe it kills them
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Post by Walter Black on Jul 16, 2018 19:41:50 GMT
Of course, Bio played that trope with a female NPC all the way back in BG2. Arguably HotU as well, although it doesn't come up as much there. They used the trope with Cass too but note she really does not bring it up compared to say Steve, which is the most exemplar case study of advanced Carth Syndrome and Thane which is just a romance where the Carth Syndrome is so severe it kills them I still maintain this should be Jaheira Syndrome; yeah, Kivan had the whole "dead spouse" thing first, but players couldn't actually romance him. Makes it more interesting and/or depressing since we actually got to know Khalid .
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Post by MediocreOgre on Jul 16, 2018 22:00:48 GMT
They used the trope with Cass too but note she really does not bring it up compared to say Steve, which is the most exemplar case study of advanced Carth Syndrome and Thane which is just a romance where the Carth Syndrome is so severe it kills them I still maintain this should be Jaheira Syndrome; yeah, Kivan had the whole "dead spouse" thing first, but players couldn't actually romance him. Makes it more interesting and/or depressing since we actually got to know Khalid . I mean as good a game both BG 1 and 2 are.... half the time I mention Carth the younglings here look at me like i’m Talking about life before electricity. But point still stands: when you romance these characters you might as well romance their dead partner too. that’s my hot take of how BW will implement polyamory by doing a search replace of “dead” with “totally alive” and you meet the extra one time at a graveyard. “Oh beloved. I hope you know how much you helped me get over my grief about my totally alive wife. Now let’s go visit my totally alive wife at the graveyard. Do you have the flowers I asked you to retrieve for my totally alive wife? Good. We’ll bang after.”
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Post by ewigDunkelheit on Jul 16, 2018 22:44:50 GMT
I would be open to such a romantic possibility. But I am thinking more along the lines of a threesome couple than separate relationships being maintained. I like to vary my roleplay experiences, so having the player character joining a romance with an existing couple would be interesting.
However, I will agree with the notion that spending extra resources on such a variation is unnecessary. Just give me a dwarf option and I will be very happy.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 17, 2018 19:12:31 GMT
I would be open to such a romantic possibility. But I am thinking more along the lines of a threesome couple than separate relationships being maintained. I like to vary my roleplay experiences, so having the player character joining a romance with an existing couple would be interesting. However, I will agree with the notion that spending extra resources on such a variation is unnecessary. Just give me a dwarf option and I will be very happy. A threesome is definitely different than cheating. Hence, polygamy (or polyandry), which is all parties involved are in the relationship. That said, I've found it doesn't work based on my real life experience. Someone always gets hurt, or one person is preferred over another. I don't think I'd ever do it again. I've heard of that there are cases in which is has worked out for people, at least for a while, but I don't know about any lifelong polyamorous relationships. I'm not even going to touch on stuff like Mormons who simply see the wives as baby factories rather than loving relationships. (Guess that was touching on it.)
If we're not looking into the long-term, instead only the span of a game or two, I guess it doesn't matter. We'll never know how it all turns out.
Side note: Even open relationships are messy. They sound good but in practice one partner tends to get hurt. It's also part of my history. I wasn't a hurt party but the other guy was. I'm actually currently hearing about a younger guy I know in an open relationship and it's causing problems.
All of this says to me that if we're going to have romances, it would be best to keep it between two individuals. If you want to move on to someone else, that's fine, but otherwise keep it one-on-one.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 17, 2018 19:15:04 GMT
What the title says. Would you like to have the option of having a polygamy relationship in DA4? Maybe certain companions (not all) could be open to the idea of being in a relationship with more than one person. I was talking to a friend who is in a polyamorous relationship with another guy and girl and his explanation of the relationship(s?) got me wondering on whether it could work in the DA universe. Go ahead and try it yourself and see how it works. My personal experience says it's messy, and that's when it's all guys. Having two straight guys with a woman sounds even worse since the guys aren't in a relationship with one another and probably would each want more attention than the other.
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Post by Yermogi on Jul 19, 2018 2:05:49 GMT
It doesn't appeal to me in the slightest. I've heard the argument "More love for the PC!" but I see it as the PC just getting 50% love from two different people. I'd rather have one character that loves my PC completely.
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Post by theascendent on Jul 19, 2018 8:03:23 GMT
I've a question. The issue of pregnancy. It doesn't feature in video games often, but it's a potential consequence of sex. Imagine how shocked my Bhaalspawn was when Aerie asked about names and dropped the bombshell. Of course I was happy and delighted, but also terrified. My son would be completely reliant on me for protection and as long as the Bhaalspawn crisis continued my family would never be safe, it really gave me an extra kick to really get invested in the story. We also have the OGB, but he was a very much planned pregnancy. So if we go down the romance arc, should the issue of pregnancy be brought up, including the whole barrel of controversy it will inevitably bring.
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Post by Sanunes on Jul 19, 2018 9:30:47 GMT
I've a question. The issue of pregnancy. It doesn't feature in video games often, but it's a potential consequence of sex. Imagine how shocked my Bhaalspawn was when Aerie asked about names and dropped the bombshell. Of course I was happy and delighted, but also terrified. My son would be completely reliant on me for protection and as long as the Bhaalspawn crisis continued my family would never be safe, it really gave me an extra kick to really get invested in the story. We also have the OGB, but he was a very much planned pregnancy. So if we go down the romance arc, should the issue of pregnancy be brought up, including the whole barrel of controversy it will inevitably bring. No. It wouldn't make sense in the terms of a BioWare game unless the story lines up between games and there is also a lot of potential of ruining a character for it. The first thing is the protagonist normally only does the final hookup at the end of a game so it would be meaningless until the next game. Then you run into the problem of what happens to the pregnant character do you write two drastically different roles for them, such as a combat companion if not-pregnant and if pregnant some other role nearby with creating another character to fill that void or do you remove them from the game completely. If you do that for one wouldn't you then have to do that for all female companions and maybe even the protagonist. It just seems like a lot of work and/or potential backlash to really do in a video game. Edit: Now if the entire pregnancy is between games you then also have to factor in writing a lot more dialogue and animating that for the parents and offspring.
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Post by theascendent on Jul 19, 2018 9:40:26 GMT
True enough. How is contraception handled in Thedas? Do they have spells, potions or herbs to deal with it?
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Post by Sanunes on Jul 19, 2018 10:27:13 GMT
True enough. How is contraception handled in Thedas? Do they have spells, potions or herbs to deal with it? All or any of the above, might even be none was involved and the people in our game just didn't become pregnant, or cross species pregnancy can't happen. Think of a way and its probably there is some form. Even in our history there has been male contraception going back to treated linen to animal intestine or bladder. So I would think there is some form available in the world of Thedas.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jul 19, 2018 10:32:50 GMT
I've a question. The issue of pregnancy. It doesn't feature in video games often, but it's a potential consequence of sex. Imagine how shocked my Bhaalspawn was when Aerie asked about names and dropped the bombshell. Of course I was happy and delighted, but also terrified. My son would be completely reliant on me for protection and as long as the Bhaalspawn crisis continued my family would never be safe, it really gave me an extra kick to really get invested in the story. We also have the OGB, but he was a very much planned pregnancy. So if we go down the romance arc, should the issue of pregnancy be brought up, including the whole barrel of controversy it will inevitably bring. Just another incentive to play gay characters. True enough. How is contraception handled in Thedas? Do they have spells, potions or herbs to deal with it? I believe the only hint we've gotten is from a banter with Wynne and Alistair. Alistair: So you... mentioned you had a son? What happened to him? Wynne: I honestly don't know, Alistair. He was... taken from me. Such births are seldom, as there are ways to prevent it, but it does happen. And any child born to a Circle mage belongs to the Chantry. Alistair: I... didn't know. I'm sorry. Wynne: It's all right. It was a long time ago. A very long time ago. Alistair: Couldn't you do something about it? Wynne: Do what? I was weak from the birthing process and there were... no, there was nothing I could do. Alistair: Do you think about him? Wynne: All the time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 12:22:44 GMT
I've a question. The issue of pregnancy. It doesn't feature in video games often, but it's a potential consequence of sex. Imagine how shocked my Bhaalspawn was when Aerie asked about names and dropped the bombshell. Of course I was happy and delighted, but also terrified. My son would be completely reliant on me for protection and as long as the Bhaalspawn crisis continued my family would never be safe, it really gave me an extra kick to really get invested in the story. We also have the OGB, but he was a very much planned pregnancy. So if we go down the romance arc, should the issue of pregnancy be brought up, including the whole barrel of controversy it will inevitably bring. The issue for me would be the huge gulf that would create between male and female protagonists. How is a female supposed to do the final boss fight if she's 5 months pregnant? Pregnancy takes a toll on the body and it'd be stupid to ignore that, so you'll end up with - play a guy who's fine, or play a girl who's got a physical impediment that gradually gets more and more worrying. What mother would willingly volunteer to go into combat (when your companions could do it instead) knowing she could fall and kill her unborn child? Perhaps between games, or with a jump in time like DA2?
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Post by theascendent on Jul 19, 2018 12:24:48 GMT
I've a question. The issue of pregnancy. It doesn't feature in video games often, but it's a potential consequence of sex. Imagine how shocked my Bhaalspawn was when Aerie asked about names and dropped the bombshell. Of course I was happy and delighted, but also terrified. My son would be completely reliant on me for protection and as long as the Bhaalspawn crisis continued my family would never be safe, it really gave me an extra kick to really get invested in the story. We also have the OGB, but he was a very much planned pregnancy. So if we go down the romance arc, should the issue of pregnancy be brought up, including the whole barrel of controversy it will inevitably bring. The issue for me would be the huge gulf that would create between male and female protagonists. How is a female supposed to do the final boss fight if she's 5 months pregnant? Pregnancy takes a toll on the body and it'd be stupid to ignore that, so you'll end up with - play a guy who's fine, or play a girl who's got a physical impediment that gradually gets more and more worrying. What mother would willingly volunteer to go into combat (when your companions could do it instead) knowing she could fall and kill her unborn child? Perhaps between games, or with a jump in time like DA2? Yeah you're right. It's unfair and a bit broken to implement, but it's just a thought.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 12:27:59 GMT
The issue for me would be the huge gulf that would create between male and female protagonists. How is a female supposed to do the final boss fight if she's 5 months pregnant? Pregnancy takes a toll on the body and it'd be stupid to ignore that, so you'll end up with - play a guy who's fine, or play a girl who's got a physical impediment that gradually gets more and more worrying. What mother would willingly volunteer to go into combat (when your companions could do it instead) knowing she could fall and kill her unborn child? Perhaps between games, or with a jump in time like DA2? Yeah you're right. It's unfair and a bit broken to implement, but it's just a thought. Oh no I wasn't trying to diss your idea, just my opinions on it. It did make me think how cool it was to meet Keiran. Now if the protagonist was a fixed gender, or took an advisor role like Leliana, it could actually work.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Jul 19, 2018 12:38:04 GMT
I bet Bioware devs love threads like this.
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Post by zarrokhai on Jul 19, 2018 12:53:13 GMT
I bet Bioware devs love threads like this. Just doing my part to contribute some ideas to them
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Post by zarrokhai on Jul 19, 2018 12:58:35 GMT
True enough. How is contraception handled in Thedas? Do they have spells, potions or herbs to deal with it? All or any of the above, might even be none was involved and the people in our game just didn't become pregnant, or cross species pregnancy can't happen. Think of a way and its probably there is some form. Even in our history there has been male contraception going back to treated linen to animal intestine or bladder. So I would think there is some form available in the world of Thedas. Well we know cross-species pregnancy can happen; there are enough cases of half-elves in Thedas to confirm that theory.
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