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Post by cloud9 on Aug 27, 2018 9:02:06 GMT
The Alliance is Bioware's military. They can make it however they want regardless if it makes sense or not. And that's how they screwed up by not making a realistic approach when it comes to Special Operations. Who in their right mind putting their special forces soldiers into a spotlight of fame? I'm beginning to think that the writers have a mind of a six year old.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Aug 27, 2018 13:02:14 GMT
The Alliance is Bioware's military. They can make it however they want regardless if it makes sense or not. And that's how they screwed up by not making a realistic approach when it comes to Special Operations. Who in their right mind putting their special forces soldiers into a spotlight of fame? I'm beginning to think that the writers have a mind of a six year old. So what about the Shadow Broker who in all likely hood already has knowledge of who are Specters and who are not. And is willing to trade that information to anyone for the right price or information in return?
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Post by cloud9 on Sept 9, 2018 7:48:38 GMT
And that's how they screwed up by not making a realistic approach when it comes to Special Operations. Who in their right mind putting their special forces soldiers into a spotlight of fame? I'm beginning to think that the writers have a mind of a six year old. So what about the Shadow Broker who in all likely hood already has knowledge of who are Specters and who are not. And is willing to trade that information to anyone for the right price or information in return? What about it?
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Sept 9, 2018 11:34:38 GMT
So what about the Shadow Broker who in all likely hood already has knowledge of who are Specters and who are not. And is willing to trade that information to anyone for the right price or information in return? What about it? Well given the vast network it had and the fact it had just about any bit of information you could want for the right price. If a terrorist organization wanted the name of a Specter they could easily buy it for the right price from the Shadow Broker. Thus rendering your point about Spec Ops being secret to prevent space pirates from attacking them null.
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Post by cloud9 on Sept 10, 2018 13:19:55 GMT
Well given the vast network it had and the fact it had just about any bit of information you could want for the right price.Β If a terrorist organization wanted the name of a Specter they could easily buy it for the right price from the Shadow Broker. Thus rendering your point about Spec Ops being secret to prevent space pirates from attacking them null. Technically that's correct but you're missing the point. They will never found the identities of the Spectres or their missions, because they never exist, and no one knows who they are, or what they look like. Unless they have a mole to leak information, that is.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Sept 10, 2018 16:26:44 GMT
Well given the vast network it had and the fact it had just about any bit of information you could want for the right price. If a terrorist organization wanted the name of a Specter they could easily buy it for the right price from the Shadow Broker. Thus rendering your point about Spec Ops being secret to prevent space pirates from attacking them null. Technically that's correct but you're missing the point. They will never found the identities of the Spectres or their missions, because they never exist, and no one knows who they are, or what they look like. Unless they have a mole to leak information, that is. They will because they will have to have cooperation of local law enforcement. Given the wide access to to omni tools it wouldn't take much to snap a photo then sell the photo to Shadow Broker associate who could use it to compared it to data bases to find a match. Thus giving away who they are, any family they have, etc.
I'm not missing the point. What you are trying to do is apply our world to their world without taking into account the differences. Like the omni presence of technology beyond even our own. Of the fact there exists groups with honestly magical powers compared to our reality (Shadow Broker, Cerberus)
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 10, 2018 20:34:52 GMT
^^^^^^ I have to agree because...Saren. And Shepard. And Kaidan/Ashley (who had a public ceremony to denote their becoming the second human Spectre). What more is there to say? As you say, real world rules don't apply. All we've seen is that Spectres are largely above the law and get at away with nearly anything.
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Post by cloud9 on Sept 16, 2018 7:01:49 GMT
Ok, let's go through this logically. If everyone knew Shepard was a Spectre and if the public knows him or her, that means they have spies to monitor them and their operations. Which means that they will tell their soldiers to intercept to kill Shepard, and other operatives and their missions are compromised.
And therefore every Spectre will be killed if someone finds out who they are, because of the idiotic Council announced them as Spectres. How can they be covert operatives if they are publicly known to the common folk and the press? That's why BioWare should re-evaluate their writing, and open up a dictionary to know what "covert" means.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Sept 16, 2018 7:57:12 GMT
Ok, let's go through this logically. If everyone knew Shepard was a Spectre and if the public knows him or her, that means they have spies to monitor them and their operations. Which means that they will tell their soldiers to intercept to kill Shepard, and other operatives and their missions are compromised. And therefore every Spectre will be killed if someone finds out who they are, because of the idiotic Council announced them as Spectres. How can they be covert operatives if they are publicly known to the common folk and the press? That's why BioWare should re-evaluate their writing, and open up a dictionary to know what "covert" means. Problem is you keep being vague about who will spy on them. And part of the requirement to be a Specter seems to be the ability to fight on a whole different level then standard soilders. Given our first example was Nihlis literally dropping solo into an active war zone of Geth attacking Eden Prime and was only killed when he was betrayed by a trusted ally.
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Post by cloud9 on Sept 16, 2018 9:16:10 GMT
Ok, let's go through this logically. If everyone knew Shepard was a Spectre and if the public knows him or her, that means they have spies to monitor them and their operations. Which means that they will tell their soldiers to intercept to kill Shepard, and other operatives and their missions are compromised. And therefore every Spectre will be killed if someone finds out who they are, because of the idiotic Council announced them as Spectres. How can they be covert operatives if they are publicly known to the common folk and the press? That's why BioWare should re-evaluate their writing, and open up a dictionary to know what "covert" means. Problem is you keep being vague about who will spy on them.Β And part of the requirement to be a Specter seems to be the ability to fight on a whole different level then standard soilders. Given our first example was Nihlis literally dropping solo into an active war zone of Geth attacking Eden Prime and was only killed when he was betrayed by a trusted ally. *deep deep sigh* Again, you're completely missing the point.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Sept 22, 2018 10:07:51 GMT
Problem is you keep being vague about who will spy on them. And part of the requirement to be a Specter seems to be the ability to fight on a whole different level then standard soilders. Given our first example was Nihlis literally dropping solo into an active war zone of Geth attacking Eden Prime and was only killed when he was betrayed by a trusted ally. *deep deep sigh* Again, you're completely missing the point. I really am not because you are not working in anything but generic statements. You are at best applying cold war era tactics to super advance space future. If STG wanted to get dirt on who was who in the Alliance they wouldn't require a photo or a name. They would hack the Alliance data base and extract all the information they could get or want. Monitor all Alliance communications to narrow down and track deployments and movements. Use the omnipresence of technology to track people, places and things while using that same tech to cover their digital foot print to avoid anyone from knowing they were there.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 23, 2018 1:02:01 GMT
I like how this thread is about the Alliance military, yet the argument is about the SPECTREs being too public when the SPECTREs have nothing to do with the Alliance military.
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Post by cloud9 on Sept 23, 2018 1:14:57 GMT
I like how this thread is about the Alliance military, yet the argument is about the SPECTREs being too public when the SPECTREs have nothing to do with the Alliance military. Thanks for the update, Captain Obvious.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 23, 2018 1:16:46 GMT
I like how this thread is about the Alliance military, yet the argument is about the SPECTREs being too public when the SPECTREs have nothing to do with the Alliance military. Thanks for the update, Captain Obvious. Youβre welcome.
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Post by cloud9 on Sept 26, 2018 13:42:19 GMT
*deep deep sigh* Again, you're completely missing the point. I really am not because you are not working in anything but generic statements. You are at best applying cold war era tactics to super advance space future. If STG wanted to get dirt on who was who in the Alliance they wouldn't require a photo or a name. They would hack the Alliance data base and extract all the information they could get or want. Monitor all Alliance communications to narrow down and track deployments and movements. Use the omnipresence of technology to track people, places and things while using that same tech to cover their digital foot print to avoid anyone from knowing they were there. The CIA, MI-6, and Mossad can do the same thing. So what's your point?
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Sept 27, 2018 11:21:33 GMT
I really am not because you are not working in anything but generic statements. You are at best applying cold war era tactics to super advance space future. If STG wanted to get dirt on who was who in the Alliance they wouldn't require a photo or a name. They would hack the Alliance data base and extract all the information they could get or want. Monitor all Alliance communications to narrow down and track deployments and movements. Use the omnipresence of technology to track people, places and things while using that same tech to cover their digital foot print to avoid anyone from knowing they were there. The CIA, MI-6, and Mossad can do the same thing. So what's your point? Not to the same degree. Particularly since in game it is directly said that the Alliance are constantly uncovering STG breaches into their networks.
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Post by elmike2k17 on Oct 8, 2018 16:46:56 GMT
That's what the Council was doing by publicized their classified missions, and their operatives in front of the public. And the idiotic Alliance idolizes Shepard as "humanity's hero", which will put him/her and others in danger from their enemies. That kind of carelessness and stupidity it will jeopardize governments if their missions, and the identities of their operatives went public. That's like saying the US government went to the public, by idolizing their Delta Operators by showing their identities in public news about a classified mission to assassinate a ruthless dictator in Siberia. Which is extremely stupid. And that's what I cannot stand that the writers did not do their research on Special/Covert Operations. What enemies are we talking about? Space Pirates? Batarians? I agree. In the Mass Effect universe, SPECTREs are in fact Special Covert operation law enforcement agents. In the story random people shouldn't know who Shepard is and what types of missions he did as a SPECTRE. SPECTRE after all, is short for "Special Tactics, and " RECONNAISSANCE". It seemed like every thug in Mass Effect 2 knew who he/her was which would make it impossible for him/her to properly do his/her job. There was a particular part in the Mass Effect novel Revelations that mentioned SPECTRES. In one part, then at the time LT Anderson ask the Alliance ambassador what to do if a SPECTRE gets involved in the mission he was about to conduct, the ambassador said that about the time he would know a SPECTRE was involved in the case, he would probably already be dead, suggesting they didn't know the identities of most of the agents.
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Post by burningcherry on Oct 9, 2018 17:31:47 GMT
What enemies are we talking about? Space Pirates? Batarians? I agree. In the Mass Effect universe, SPECTREs are in fact Special Covert operation law enforcement agents. In the story random people shouldn't know who Shepard is and what types of missions he did as a SPECTRE. SPECTRE after all, is short for "Special Tactics, and " RECONNAISSANCE". It seemed like every thug in Mass Effect 2 knew who he/her was which would make it impossible for him/her to properly do his/her job. There was a particular part in the Mass Effect novel Revelations that mentioned SPECTRES. In one part, then at the time LT Anderson ask the Alliance ambassador what to do if a SPECTRE gets involved in the mission he was about to conduct, the ambassador said that about the time he would know a SPECTRE was involved in the case, he would probably already be dead, suggesting they didn't know the identities of most of the agents. It's a whole different thing. Their identities can be public while their actions not.
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Post by cloud9 on Oct 15, 2018 4:29:03 GMT
I agree. In the Mass Effect universe, SPECTREs are in fact Special Covert operation law enforcement agents. In the story random people shouldn't know who Shepard is and what types of missions he did as a SPECTRE.Β SPECTRE after all, is short for "Special Tactics, and " RECONNAISSANCE". It seemed like every thug in Mass Effect 2 knew who he/her was which would make it impossible for him/her to properly do his/her job. There was a particular part in theΒ Mass Effect novel Revelations that mentioned SPECTRES. In one part, then at the time LT Anderson ask the Alliance ambassador what to do if a SPECTRE gets involved in the mission he was about to conduct, the ambassador said that about the time he would know a SPECTRE was involved in the case, he would probably already be dead, suggesting they didn't know the identities of most of the agents. It's a whole different thing. Their identities can be public while their actions not. If their identities are made public that means they can monitor their operations.
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Post by burningcherry on Oct 15, 2018 7:09:10 GMT
It's a whole different thing. Their identities can be public while their actions not. If their identities are made public that means they can monitor their operations. Not at all. Just don't publish any info about those operations.
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Post by dmc1001 on Oct 15, 2018 7:37:25 GMT
If their identities are made public that means they can monitor their operations. Not at all. Just don't publish any info about those operations. Definitely true. After all, Saren hid plenty when it came to his mission with Anderson.
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Post by cloud9 on Oct 15, 2018 23:21:16 GMT
If their identities are made public that means they can monitor their operations. Not at all. Just don't publish any info about those operations. How do you think that they found out about him in the first place? Give out a name and they can follow a person to find what they're doing. πππ
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Post by burningcherry on Oct 16, 2018 17:30:44 GMT
Not at all. Just don't publish any info about those operations. How do you think that they found out about him in the first place? Give out a name and they can follow a person to find what they're doing. πππ Not if he's a spy who can travel by himself and cover his tracks.
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Post by cloud9 on Oct 17, 2018 1:26:53 GMT
How do you think that they found out about him in the first place? Give out a name and they can follow a person to find what they're doing. πππ Not if he's a spy who can travel by himself and cover his tracks. And got caught and killed by Shepard. So much for him being a spy.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 17, 2018 1:32:59 GMT
Not if he's a spy who can travel by himself and cover his tracks. And got caught and killed by Shepard. So much for him being a spy. Saren was found only after months of being tracked down by every spec ops group in the galaxy and was killed by Shepard only after he arrived at the Citadel while Sovereign and the Heretics attacked and was mere moments from completing his objective. That very much fits the skills they are supposed to have, plus Saren was being bolder and more sloppy than he usually is due to the indoctrination.
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