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Post by cloud9 on Oct 17, 2018 1:38:18 GMT
And got caught and killed by Shepard. So much for him being a spy. Saren was found only after months of being tracked down by every spec ops group in the galaxy and was killed by Shepard only after he arrived at the Citadel while Sovereign and the Heretics attacked and was mere moments from completing his objective. That very much fits the skills they are supposed to have, plus Saren was being bolder and more sloppy than he usually is due to the indoctrination. Wow! I did not know that! 🙄🙄
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 17, 2018 1:41:30 GMT
Saren was found only after months of being tracked down by every spec ops group in the galaxy and was killed by Shepard only after he arrived at the Citadel while Sovereign and the Heretics attacked and was mere moments from completing his objective. That very much fits the skills they are supposed to have, plus Saren was being bolder and more sloppy than he usually is due to the indoctrination. Wow! I did not know that! 🙄🙄 Clearly.
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Post by cloud9 on Oct 17, 2018 17:13:33 GMT
Wow! I did not know that! 🙄🙄 Clearly.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Oct 19, 2018 16:15:35 GMT
I think the Alliance is differently depicted in ME3 vs 1 and 2 that's all.
A lot of the time they forget to use the Jargon in 3, only the segments written by Patrick remembered stuff like "shore party" and "Aye aye". The rest of the writers including Mac reduced it to industry generic shit like "ETA" and "LZ" and "Foxtrot" kind of drivel... You know, shooter schlock and that is exemplified in the awful, awful into to 3 with lines like "I'm just a soldier, Anderson, I'm no politician."
Yeah but here's the thing Shepard. You WERE involved with politics you jackass. You had to go over mission results with the council and you had a hand in representing and choosing the future of the human council for christs sakes.
But by design the ORIGINAL Alliance was stated by the ME1 writers to be the representative force in the galactic society both politically and militarily. Mac Walters seemed to have forgotten that when he wrote Priority: Vancouver though.
Mass Effect 3 was just Patrick and Dombrow fighting against Mac and Casey's weird bipolar decisions I imagine. So much of the backbone of the plot seems to change direction from where 2 left off or how 1 had taken shape and then in optional dialogues or choice-alternative scenes like the other council the writers are suddenly reasonable likely because Mac only was concerned with the default main story. The original council are depicted like ignorant fools when Shepard demands help for Earth over their homeworlds. The new council questions the rationale of helping Earth the same way I did internally instead. Garrus written by Dombrow also points out Shepard is asking turians to leave their homeworld just the same as Shepard did. You can tell this is because Mac was ignorant and left the other writers forced to write for his illogical plot and all they could do was try to rationalize and handwave his decisions.
And that's the same thing for the alliance. Mass 3 wanted to be World War 2 appropriated over Mass Effect but they tried too hard to force the Alliance as the brute-force, military culture that looks like the brits in WW2 for instance. They should have appropriated the original depiction of the Alliance with their gunnery chiefs and boot camp like lingo into the theme of galactic war but instead Mac and Casey screwed up by forcing a WW2 aesthetic on it.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Oct 19, 2018 16:28:51 GMT
... am I supposed to feel insulted? Still, the OP's post clearly shows that they don't actually mirror the US Marines and US Army. The Alliance is a fictional military. The rules within it are whatever Bioware says they are. Obviously, in that military it is completely acceptable to refer to a marine as a soldier. People who have a problem with that are imposing their own assumption about what military the Alliance is based upon and making their own problem... failing to separate the fiction from the reality. No, you were supposed to chuckle. Anyway, Bioware just mushed together whatever military jargon sounded good, I doubt they thought very deeply about it. ME1 had a whole coded entry regarding Jargon and they stuck with it the entire game. ME2 didn't because we worked without the Alliance the entire game but whenever they reappeared the jargon followed. ME3 forgot the Jargon 50% of the time and as you say I doubt the writers even thought about it... BECAUSE THEY OVERLOOKED IT.
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Post by sassafrassa on Jan 1, 2019 23:48:00 GMT
I think the main thing that bothers me about the Alliance is Joker. No realistic military is going to allow in people who can't all meet at least a basic level of physical fitness. A team is only as strong as its weakest member and while Joker may be a great pilot, he is a burden on those around him in an emergency in which physical ability is needed. We see this manifest twice in ME2. It's just too much for me to really accept.
I suppose another is the way Anderson can go to the turians to launch is Cerberus raid, which involves the arrest of Alliance personnel and operations in Alliance, and not have his military career ruined. Even if most of the officer corps and leadership aren't Cerberus sympathizers, Anderson made them look weak, corrupt, and incompetent. That raid would have been huge news and cost the Alliance dearly in terms of political capital. It would make sense for Anderson to have been "encouraged to retire" after that little stunt, rather than still being an active member of the service in ME3.
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Post by General Mahad on Jan 26, 2019 7:13:50 GMT
I think the main thing that bothers me about the Alliance is Joker. No realistic military is going to allow in people who can't all meet at least a basic level of physical fitness. A team is only as strong as its weakest member and while Joker may be a great pilot, he is a burden on those around him in an emergency in which physical ability is needed. We see this manifest twice in ME2. It's just too much for me to really accept. I suppose another is the way Anderson can go to the turians to launch is Cerberus raid, which involves the arrest of Alliance personnel and operations in Alliance, and not have his military career ruined. Even if most of the officer corps and leadership aren't Cerberus sympathizers, Anderson made them look weak, corrupt, and incompetent. That raid would have been huge news and cost the Alliance dearly in terms of political capital. It would make sense for Anderson to have been "encouraged to retire" after that little stunt, rather than still being an active member of the service in ME3. Actually...... IN FIRST, 11 SOLDIERS WITH DISABILITIES SWORN INTO IDF m.jpost.com/Israel-News/In-first-11-developmentally-disabled-soldiers-sworn-into-IDF-485334And this is why the IDF is always victorious. I wish we had something similar in the United States. I can actually believe soldiers that are handicapped would get recruited in the Alliance military as long as they are able to do their jobs with reasonable accommodations.
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Post by sassafrassa on Jan 27, 2019 5:59:27 GMT
And this is why the IDF is always victorious. I wish we had something similar in the United States. I can actually believe soldiers that are handicapped would get recruited in the Alliance military as long as they are able to do their jobs with reasonable accommodations. That's all PR and American tax dollars courtesy our greatest ally.
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Post by capn233 on Jan 31, 2019 1:50:31 GMT
Obviously canon class is "pure combat," aka Soldier. /s
But in all seriousness, no I never thought Shepard was a Marine (that was Ash), he was Navy. He had the LCDR rank, was XO and then skipper of Normandy.
But as others pointed out, there are inconsistencies in the trilogy. ME3 seems to screw up a lot of the little things.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 31, 2019 4:44:00 GMT
Obviously canon class is "pure combat," aka Soldier. /s But in all seriousness, no I never thought Shepard was a Marine (that was Ash), he was Navy. He had the LCDR rank, was XO and then skipper of Normandy. But as others pointed out, there are inconsistencies in the trilogy. ME3 seems to screw up a lot of the little things. It's all sketchy. I think it's like in the old days in the US where the Marines were part of the Navy. There's hardly anything to distinguish the two. I know he's the captain of the Normandy (without the title for some reason) but he's most definitely part of the ground troops. That's the Marines. Also, we're trying to equate US ranking systems with that of the Alliance. I try to do the same thing but it doesn't really work.
According to ME Wiki Answers (take it for what it's worth), Shepard is part of both. He was trained as a marine but they're a special branch of the Navy. All marines are in the Navy but not all Navel personnel are marines.
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Post by cloud9 on Feb 10, 2019 8:22:41 GMT
What enemies are we talking about? Space Pirates? Batarians? I agree. In the Mass Effect universe, SPECTREs are in fact Special Covert operation law enforcement agents. In the story random people shouldn't know who Shepard is and what types of missions he did as a SPECTRE. SPECTRE after all, is short for "Special Tactics, and " RECONNAISSANCE". It seemed like every thug in Mass Effect 2 knew who he/her was which would make it impossible for him/her to properly do his/her job. There was a particular part in the Mass Effect novel Revelations that mentioned SPECTRES. In one part, then at the time LT Anderson ask the Alliance ambassador what to do if a SPECTRE gets involved in the mission he was about to conduct, the ambassador said that about the time he would know a SPECTRE was involved in the case, he would probably already be dead, suggesting they didn't know the identities of most of the agents. Do you know what Spectre means? Not the acronym.
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