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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 2, 2018 12:17:28 GMT
No Man's Sky is enjoying somewhat of a renaissance with the issue of 'No Man's Sky Next'. I would argue that Mass Effect Andromeda was already so close to being a wonderful game that it would not require as much work to bring it to a point where it would deserve a reappraisal. My proposal is: - That once Anthem is out of the way (and possibly concurrent with DA4 development)
- That BioWare put a small team onto releasing a 'Mass Effect Andromeda Special Edition'.
- With a few added story tweaks.
- With some heightened story beats.
- With some additional character content.
- Perhaps even a few Quarians or wrap-up to the story loose ends.
By releasing this as a surprise in 2022 maybe: - It would rehabilitate the Mass Effect IP ahead of future games
- It would make peace with MEA as a release
- It would make it apparent that there is already a solid game hiding under the memes
- It would be a wonderful sign of EA's faith in BioWare
MEA has so much going for it, a Special Edition would be such a tantalizing opportunity.
Good idea? Bad idea? Likely?
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 2, 2018 12:23:06 GMT
I like this idea. It could work.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 2, 2018 12:33:49 GMT
That doesn't sound like No Man's Sky: Next to me, that is closer to paid DLC/Expansion. My experience with No Man's Sky is that patch 1.10 is much closer to what Next does for No Man's Sky by adding in a lot of the content that was promised and never in the game. When you go back and alter characters or add new content that will require dialogue it won't be something that is free unless the game has been profitable or something else is going on. Its all about the cost of doing something like that and I don't think the cost/benefit ratio especially three to five years after release is something they are going to spend money on especially with the risk of refreshing old wounds when they might be already starting to make a new game.
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Post by sil on Aug 2, 2018 14:48:33 GMT
Yes.
Though I think they should release a 'linear' expansion. No open world elements at all, but a 10-15hr set of missions laid out like ME3 (so main missions and a few mini) that compliment and enhance the main game for those who have it, but can function as a stand alone campaign for those who don't. It adds new interactions and characters, brings back the various aliens we were lacking, and opens up another cluster and new alien race, while providing numerous bug/balance fixes.
It'd be wonderful, and if it sells well, then expand forward.
The game needs more elcor. And hanar. And volus.
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Post by natetrace on Aug 2, 2018 16:20:02 GMT
I think this is the way they should have gone. I always thought an expansion or continuing to add content to the game would have been better than nothing. Even if Andromeda doesn't get a sequel, give us an expansion with a new Andromeda ally race and allow us to wrap everything up. I hope it gets a sequel, but if not I thought an expansion would suffice. Add some nomad races, anything!
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Post by natetrace on Aug 2, 2018 16:25:20 GMT
One other thing to add, aside from tying up loose ends with the Kett and your mom and so on, I think when you land on Eos there is that woman who stumbles around, you should be able to interact with her and she tells you she's getting high off of ship fumes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 16:32:32 GMT
Sounds like a plan.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Aug 2, 2018 16:45:57 GMT
Like sanunes said, it seems like an expansion and for it to be released after 5 years? Seems pointless. They should've done that by now, or plan to do it very soon(which i doubt it'll happen but the last update from casey about working on secret stuffs not their team though but other gave me some hope somehow)... As i've said in other threads, if they won't do dlc, then make a sequel that is well made, and take back the fans that were lost... I know it's not easy since the risk will be high but they have to take it. Other games have done something that was risky but the game turned out successful , they need to have a good management which i think they lacked that. If they go the da route and ditch ryder and the crew i'm not gonna be interested. Things are unresolved, and characters need more development. They can't do that to the people that supported the game. Heck, even ffxv was very incomplete when it released(and still is but dlc's help it somehow), but they are gonna support it for another year!
I will only agree with that idea only if they don't want the same cast, but rather continue with another cast and decide to release mea content before that next me game comes so for it to be complete,but not tweak it rather just expand and give closure.... That seems like a very unlikely scenario though and i'm not sure about it since i think it won't be profitable because it'll be very late from the games initial release. So best idea is sequel.
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Post by cypherj on Aug 2, 2018 17:30:18 GMT
It's hard to say if it's a good idea or not without knowing what numbers and other data EA was looking it when the made the decision to pull the plug.
Only reason EA would even consider green lighting this would be if they planned on making a direct sequel, which would be a huge financial risk. Otherwise, it would probably be best to just let sleeping dogs lie.
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Post by fredvdp on Aug 2, 2018 17:47:27 GMT
I think the game is quite good, but is held back by a few annoyances, such as: - How long it takes to travel everywhere
- The horrendous menu design and control (especially with mouse and keyboard)
- On controller the button to scan is A (Xbox) and X (PS4), meaning you have to pull your thumb of the right analog stick and it makes no damn sense in a system where you're looking around for stuff to scan. The scan button should be a bumper.
- Both sprint modes are bugged and require you to stop moving entirely for them to work.
And some more. I would really love for this game to get some more attention.
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Post by bshep on Aug 2, 2018 18:11:50 GMT
I believe we are more likely to see another Mass Effect game rather than a expansion to MEA so many years later, that being said it doesn't mean i think Mass Effect is dead, on the contrary (as Casey stated a few times already).
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 2, 2018 18:19:00 GMT
I would welcome it. The game is already so good, some expansion and tweaks would really do it good.
Failing that, let loose some resources for modders to go nuts.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 18:26:44 GMT
If they are amenable (and I really hope they are) to proceeding with a direct sequel to Andromeda (that ultimately leads us back to the Milky Way), it might be a great idea to "lead in" to it with this sort of idea.
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Post by Vortex13 on Aug 2, 2018 20:36:27 GMT
I would doubt it very highly after this long, coupled with the abruptness with which BioWare dropped support for ME:A. All those hints and nods to a Quarian Ark DLC and then nothing… except for a tiny twitter post about how they were abandoning the title refocusing on other projects.
No Man's Sky at least had constant updates and patches going on over the past year, in addition to the Next Update, to ward off any increasing negativity surrounding it's release. The fact that all of said content and updates were completely free went a long way in smoothing over a disgruntled fan base.
If, despite all of that, BioWare was indeed going to release a ME:A 'Next' update/expansion, it would have to go a long, long, long way to redeem this title and set it up to par with just the very first Mass Effect title let alone the trilogy (IMHO). For starters, they would have to go back and make the Helius Cluster, and Andromeda in general, a whole lot more 'alien' than how it is now; and no, I don't mean adding in a new purple, bi-sexual alien for players to romance. Mass Effect 1 set up a galaxy that was far more unique and unfamiliar than anything we see in Andromeda.
The overall writing and tone of the game would need a complete overhaul as well. We don't need it to be dark and brooding like ME 3 was, but the constant quips and unimaginative jokes, and near-constant humor was even more annoying; especially when the introduction sets up things being as dire as they are with the condition of the Arks.
Plus the team would need more intellectually focused science fiction writers back at the helm, like Chris L'Etoile, and less 'Rule of Cool' creators, like Mac Walters. I would like my Mass Effects with more thought put into them than mere soapboxing and setting up romances honestly.
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Post by abedsbrother on Aug 2, 2018 21:06:29 GMT
The biggest problems I have with MEA (derivative story, boring characters) won't be fixed by a "Next"-style update.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Aug 4, 2018 1:46:08 GMT
I'm all for this idea, and for modern 64 bit versions of the original ME3 series - throw a Keep-style save-game system in, fix the face bugs, and upgrade the graphics up from their awful XBox 360 versions. All with modders' tools made available, of course.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2018 8:34:53 GMT
I would doubt it very highly after this long, coupled with the abruptness with which BioWare dropped support for ME:A. All those hints and nods to a Quarian Ark DLC and then nothing… except for a tiny twitter post about how they were abandoning the title refocusing on other projects. No Man's Sky at least had constant updates and patches going on over the past year, in addition to the Next Update, to ward off any increasing negativity surrounding it's release. The fact that all of said content and updates were completely free went a long way in smoothing over a disgruntled fan base. If, despite all of that, BioWare was indeed going to release a ME:A 'Next' update/expansion, it would have to go a long, long, long way to redeem this title and set it up to par with just the very first Mass Effect title let alone the trilogy (IMHO). For starters, they would have to go back and make the Helius Cluster, and Andromeda in general, a whole lot more 'alien' than how it is now; and no, I don't mean adding in a new purple, bi-sexual alien for players to romance. Mass Effect 1 set up a galaxy that was far more unique and unfamiliar than anything we see in Andromeda. The overall writing and tone of the game would need a complete overhaul as well. We don't need it to be dark and brooding like ME 3 was, but the constant quips and unimaginative jokes, and near-constant humor was even more annoying; especially when the introduction sets up things being as dire as they are with the condition of the Arks. Plus the team would need more intellectually focused science fiction writers back at the helm, like Chris L'Etoile, and less 'Rule of Cool' creators, like Mac Walters. I would like my Mass Effects with more thought put into them than mere soapboxing and setting up romances honestly. More Star Trek TOS/TNG and less Star Wars
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Post by CHRrOME on Aug 4, 2018 13:20:08 GMT
The difference is that the guys at No Man's Sky at least kept trying after the backlash, with Andromeda as soon as shit hit the fan they just packed and left the game as it was. I doubt they'll go back even if they wanted, papa EA will say NO. Cool idea, but I doubt it'd happen.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Aug 5, 2018 21:11:43 GMT
The game needs more elcor. And hanar. And volus.
No, it doesn't need the hanar, elcor, volus or the quarians. I would rather see more NEW alien races than a bunch of old ones that offer nothing to story.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 21:20:22 GMT
Bioware Needs to leave EA !!
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Post by sil on Aug 5, 2018 22:36:34 GMT
The game needs more elcor. And hanar. And volus. No, it doesn't need the hanar, elcor, volus or the quarians. I would rather see more NEW alien races than a bunch of old ones that offer nothing to story.
The two things aren't mutually exclusive. It's not either old aliens or new aliens. Plus, the hanar, elcor and volus are the most alien races we've seen in Mass Effect and all three were incredibly under-utilized in the plot and barely fleshed out. There is loads left to learn about them, and they would at least make the environment feel more alien as they're not humanoids (we're not even sure on the volus body shape). They can add a massive amount to the story. Just because you don't think they can, doesn't mean you're right. And its better to get them than NO new aliens.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 5, 2018 22:56:37 GMT
Bioware Needs to leave EA !! Why?
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Post by NotN7 on Aug 5, 2018 23:09:10 GMT
No, it doesn't need the hanar, elcor, volus or the quarians. I would rather see more NEW alien races than a bunch of old ones that offer nothing to story.
The two things aren't mutually exclusive. It's not either old aliens or new aliens. Plus, the hanar, elcor and volus are the most alien races we've seen in Mass Effect and all three were incredibly under-utilized in the plot and barely fleshed out. There is loads left to learn about them, and they would at least make the environment feel more alien as they're not humanoids (we're not even sure on the volus body shape). They can add a massive amount to the story. Just because you don't think they can, doesn't mean you're right. And its better to get them than NO new aliens. My thoughts are (pls don't burn me at the stake ) but I think your both right as per how Bioware presents the next installment, isn't it possible since we do not know where the Quarians ark is that its possible that it could be a different race after them? such as the opposition to the Jordan? or another race that wants vengeance for what the Kett did to thier race? anything is possible. Oh! yes to a next.
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Post by sil on Aug 6, 2018 7:37:09 GMT
The two things aren't mutually exclusive. It's not either old aliens or new aliens. Plus, the hanar, elcor and volus are the most alien races we've seen in Mass Effect and all three were incredibly under-utilized in the plot and barely fleshed out. There is loads left to learn about them, and they would at least make the environment feel more alien as they're not humanoids (we're not even sure on the volus body shape). They can add a massive amount to the story. Just because you don't think they can, doesn't mean you're right. And its better to get them than NO new aliens. My thoughts are (pls don't burn me at the stake ) but I think your both right as per how Bioware presents the next installment, isn't it possible since we do not know where the Quarians ark is that its possible that it could be a different race after them? such as the opposition to the Jordan? or another race that wants vengeance for what the Kett did to thier race? anything is possible. Oh! yes to a next. That's possible, though I believe the Mass Effect Annihilation book says that there is a plague on the quarian ark. But that doesn't mean there isn't also an alien species after them too.
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