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Post by colfoley on Aug 3, 2018 19:35:09 GMT
Considering that is not even remotely what happened with Andromeda... I know, I know. Even now I'm finishing the Quarian Ark DLC and eagerly looking forward to the next one, provisionally titled 'Throw Liam out of the airlock'. ME:A2 will surely be along soon. The level of support EA put in place for this game took my breath away. Ah yes, sarcasm. A weapon I have used often myself but sometimes really doesn't work. The fact is if MEA did well enough, by whatever definition EA used, we'd be getting more content. That's how big money grubbing businesses work. They wouldn't just 'move on'from a successful brand/ product.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2018 20:16:38 GMT
Doesn't mean I have to like anything he says. A journalist's job isn't to tell you stuff you like. I don't like him, deal with it people. You're not going to argue me into liking him. Especially the first guy that quoted me...whatever the fuck his name is.
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 3, 2018 21:53:00 GMT
Um... they aren't? Again, why are some people acting like this is, definitely, future for DA or all games with live-service components? It's quite clear that they're just musing, and even state that " people (by that they mean game developers) are still experimenting with these ideas" and thus they don't even make claims that anything in gaming industry is set in stone in terms of how future SP games with live services will look like. "Live service" can mean a lot of things. But EA seems to have a specific idea for their own definition. Bioware's "experimenting" has gotten more and more intrusive, and the last few games have indeed had things like an always online component. So yea, just because it CAN mean a lot of things, the fact that it's coming from this particular company with the history it (and Bioware) have had provides a pretty clear idea of what it DOES mean. Please tell me what the 'specific idea' for EA's definition of live services is. Because I'm not entirely sure what you mean. Do you mean microtransactions? We know that the upcoming Bioware game will only have cosmetic ones. Do you mean lootboxes? Anthem will have no lootboxes. Do you mean cards the like they sell in FIFA? Not only we have no information about stuff like that happening in Bioware games, EA was quick back peddle from putting them anywhere else - not just in BFII, but in NFS game that nobody really cared about at that moment. Do you mean online components? That is industry standard now, not just EA one. Do you mean short support period after release? Not only Anthem has a 10-year plan, Casey Hudson has already chimed in and given us what a pretty clear definition of live services for Dragon Age, and I quite: "when we talk about “live” it just means designing a game for continued storytelling after the main story."
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 3, 2018 21:53:53 GMT
Um... they aren't? Again, why are some people acting like this is, definitely, future for DA or all games with live-service components? It's quite clear that they're just musing, and even state that " people (by that they mean game developers) are still experimenting with these ideas" and thus they don't even make claims that anything in gaming industry is set in stone in terms of how future SP games with live services will look like. Uh? Next time I'll put a "Warning: Satire" before I try to be funny. Poe's Law strikes again.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 3, 2018 22:02:10 GMT
I suspect that the "live service" in DA4 will be something like ME:A Strike Team missions.
Or, something I would like is if they had daily, limited-time missions. Like Assassin's Creed Origin.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 3, 2018 22:08:47 GMT
"Live service" can mean a lot of things. But EA seems to have a specific idea for their own definition. Bioware's "experimenting" has gotten more and more intrusive, and the last few games have indeed had things like an always online component. So yea, just because it CAN mean a lot of things, the fact that it's coming from this particular company with the history it (and Bioware) have had provides a pretty clear idea of what it DOES mean. Please tell me what the 'specific idea' for EA's definition of live services is. Because I'm not entirely sure what you mean. Do you mean microtransactions? We know that the upcoming Bioware game will only have cosmetic ones. Do you mean lootboxes? Anthem will have no lootboxes. Do you mean cards the like they sell in FIFA? Not only we have no information about stuff like that happening in Bioware games, EA was quick back peddle from putting anywhere else - not just in BFII, but in NFS game that nobody really cared about at that moment. Do you mean online components? That is industry standard now, not just EA one. Do you mean short support period after release? Not only Anthem has a 10-year plan, Casey Hudson has already chimed in and given us what a pretty clear definition of live services for Dragon Age, and I quite: "when we talk about “live” it just means designing a game for continued storytelling after the main story." Yea EA "says" a lot of things. But what you say and what you do can be two very different things. Can you blame people for being skeptical?
They also promised DAO a full two years of support, and it barely got one. So take a "ten year plan" with a grain of salt as well.
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 3, 2018 22:32:24 GMT
Please tell me what the 'specific idea' for EA's definition of live services is. Because I'm not entirely sure what you mean. Do you mean microtransactions? We know that the upcoming Bioware game will only have cosmetic ones. Do you mean lootboxes? Anthem will have no lootboxes. Do you mean cards the like they sell in FIFA? Not only we have no information about stuff like that happening in Bioware games, EA was quick back peddle from putting anywhere else - not just in BFII, but in NFS game that nobody really cared about at that moment. Do you mean online components? That is industry standard now, not just EA one. Do you mean short support period after release? Not only Anthem has a 10-year plan, Casey Hudson has already chimed in and given us what a pretty clear definition of live services for Dragon Age, and I quite: "when we talk about “live” it just means designing a game for continued storytelling after the main story." Yea EA "says" a lot of things. But what you say and what you do can be two very different things. Can you blame people for being skeptical?
They also promised DAO a full two years of support, and it barely got one. So take a "ten year plan" with a grain of salt as well.
Was the issue I had here me wondering why people are skeptical about EA, or why aren't they a bit more skeptical about what is ultimately two game journalists musing about future of live service games, and not just EA's ones? Sure, be skeptical about EA, they have a lot behind ears, but healthy skepticism also requires not to assume the worst out of something at all times, which includes not finding ways to rile about them on any occasion. (And it's not like EA is rushing in its own direction, entirely apart from what a lot of developers are doing, including those more respectable ones - and most games now have a long support period, especially compared to support period back when DAO was released.)
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 3, 2018 22:56:41 GMT
I suspect that the "live service" in DA4 will be something like ME:A Strike Team missions. Or, something I would like is if they had daily, limited-time missions. Like Assassin's Creed Origin. My assumption is that they may be rethinking their whole DLC/post-release support strategy. It's not like this stuff is an afterthought anymore - it clearly becomes the thing that is keeping the title alive and bringing revenue a while after it goes live. Perhaps they'd make it more similar to Anthem's - or Final Fantasy XV's, which seems to have worked really well for the title. I think the industry as a whole is moving away from DLCs as we know them. We may likely be receiving more (if not constant) albeit smaller packets of updates (hence always-online), perhaps with exception of bigger storyline pieces or game upgrades.
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Post by river82 on Aug 3, 2018 23:04:03 GMT
Especially the first guy that quoted me... whatever the fuck his name is. Sofajockey. One 'f', one 'j', has an ... odd affection for horses. He also said something about your ancestors that I wouldn't take lying down if I were you. EDIT: Edited name because Goddammit poor memory ruined the joke.
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Post by phoray on Aug 3, 2018 23:07:01 GMT
How is FF 15 doing live service?
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Post by phoray on Aug 3, 2018 23:19:54 GMT
I wasn't saying they weren't, I just had no idea what they were doing When I click that link it brings me right back to this thread.
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Post by river82 on Aug 3, 2018 23:21:37 GMT
There's also a really crappy multiplayer expansion called Comrades
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 3, 2018 23:31:46 GMT
There's also a really crappy multiplayer expansion called ComradesYea, but I don't think it's the main focus of live services for FFXV, isn't it? So, while it would be nice if every addition to the game was excellent, I don't mind a few warts (or just things that aren't for me) if they come with content I find enjoyable. And, from what I've seen, the general opinion seems to be that further updates have made the game better overall.
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Post by melbella on Aug 4, 2018 1:14:01 GMT
Doesn't mean I have to like anything he says. A journalist's job isn't to tell you stuff you like. No, it's to tell you facts- verifiable ones, even. Who, what, when, and where, the building blocks of any decent news article. Leave the why and the how(e) for the editorial section.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 4, 2018 4:04:23 GMT
A journalist's job isn't to tell you stuff you like. I don't like him, deal with it people. You're not going to argue me into liking him. Especially the first guy that quoted me...whatever the fuck his name is. Nobody cares if you like him. Being liked by you isn't his job either.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 4, 2018 4:16:08 GMT
A journalist's job isn't to tell you stuff you like. No, it's to tell you facts- verifiable ones, even. Who, what, when, and where, the building blocks of any decent news article. Leave the why and the how(e) for the editorial section. Does the publication in question maintain that distinction? It's actually not very typical to break things up into sections like that anymore. More often you'll see hard news and analysis pieces together, even on the same page if we're talking print..
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Post by Sondergaard on Aug 4, 2018 22:23:22 GMT
I know, I know. Even now I'm finishing the Quarian Ark DLC and eagerly looking forward to the next one, provisionally titled 'Throw Liam out of the airlock'. ME:A2 will surely be along soon. The level of support EA put in place for this game took my breath away. Ah yes, sarcasm. A weapon I have used often myself but sometimes really doesn't work. The fact is if MEA did well enough, by whatever definition EA used, we'd be getting more content. That's how big money grubbing businesses work. They wouldn't just 'move on'from a successful brand/ product. Well, obviously they won't move on from a success, but they're certainly not invested in a success. If push comes to shove and they realise their investment hasn't panned out they'll blitz the media with puff pieces, rack up pre-orders based on brand recognition and fan loyalty, push out whatever crap is available and walk away. What they won't do is spend some extra time getting it right (unless 'getting it right' is slapping on some multiplayer). And EA's level of support for Andromeda really did take my breath away.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 5, 2018 1:29:32 GMT
Ah yes, sarcasm. A weapon I have used often myself but sometimes really doesn't work. The fact is if MEA did well enough, by whatever definition EA used, we'd be getting more content. That's how big money grubbing businesses work. They wouldn't just 'move on'from a successful brand/ product. Well, obviously they won't move on from a success, but they're certainly not invested in a success. If push comes to shove and they realise their investment hasn't panned out they'll blitz the media with puff pieces, rack up pre-orders based on brand recognition and fan loyalty, push out whatever crap is available and walk away. What they won't do is spend some extra time getting it right (unless 'getting it right' is slapping on some multiplayer). And EA's level of support for Andromeda really did take my breath away.How so? They patched the problems out of the game and going back to replay the whole Mass Effect Saga I had less bugs and issues then I did with Mass Effect 2 or 3. I still got launched into the ceiling of walls in Mass Effect 2 if I got too close and I still got stuck in the floor of the Normandy cockpit and with both of them I still had AI companions that would stand on top of objects running in small circles until the enemies would kill them. I would agree that they didn't add any additional content for Andromeda, but the base game I would say is in a superior position then launch.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Aug 6, 2018 16:42:31 GMT
Can I just say that "live service" is a useless fucking term. It can apparently mean anything from episodic content determined by collective player choice to just bogstandard DLC. No wonder everyone's terrified of this news. We don't know whether we have cancer or a cold.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 6, 2018 23:01:12 GMT
Can I just say that "live service" is a useless fucking term. It can apparently mean anything from episodic content determined by collective player choice to just bogstandard DLC. No wonder everyone's terrified of this news. We don't know whether we have cancer or a cold. I agree that the term has no meaning, but I think the real problem I have is everyone assuming they know 100% what it means. If people want to complain about how we as purchasers have no idea what they mean by that I think its the better approach. In a lot of ways Live Service is the new RPG where there is no real definition outside of a personal opinion.
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Post by river82 on Aug 7, 2018 0:44:33 GMT
Can I just say that "live service" is a useless fucking term. It's an incredibly vague term, definitely. It's useful in that it emphasises how businesses believe the future is "live" and then encourages thinking and innovation around that concept without locking thinking down a certain route (like "DLC" does). But it's completely useless in projecting an image of what's in a game to the audience. EDIT: So possibly useful in the office, useless outside the office imo.
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 7, 2018 15:12:59 GMT
Can I just say that "live service" is a useless fucking term. It's an incredibly vague term, definitely. It's useful in that it emphasises how businesses believe the future is "live" and then encourages thinking and innovation around that concept without locking thinking down a certain route (like "DLC" does). But it's completely useless in projecting an image of what's in a game to the audience. EDIT: So possibly useful in the office, useless outside the office imo. To be fair, it is an office term - I think we first heard it used during some corporate conferences where CEOs and the like were talking about new strategies? Then everybody was like 'what is this?' and that's basically how it started. And since nobody really has any better name for it... I guess it stuck. And inadvertently became both a new buzzword as well as new Satan.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 7, 2018 15:20:00 GMT
Right. The term describes a revenue stream, but not what the company specifically does to get that revenue stream. Not very useful if you're trying to divine what the gameplay experience will be like.
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