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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 14, 2018 13:15:39 GMT
I guess the only ones left are dwarves? You forget the influence of the titans. The dwarves may end up being turned as well, although given what we know of the involvement of Mythal and Fen'Harel in dwarven history, with any luck the dwarves will definitely not be on his side.
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Post by Sifr on Aug 15, 2018 4:55:35 GMT
I already do not trust any elf I’ll meet in DA4 because of this (not even Charter).. "Scout Pellane, don't assume I'm secretly working for the bad guy just because of the obvious motives and connections. I am working for the bad guy, and it's for the obvious motives, and we have the obvious connections. But you shouldn't just assume that's the case." I don't know about Elan Ve'mal.
She's extremely cagey about her origins (explicitly stating she's not a City Elf, nor is she Dalish), she mentions she's worked for several heads of state across Thedas and if she were a spy, she'd be perfectly placed as her position as a gardener puts her completely beneath suspicion.
(And yes, I know that - regardless of whether she's a spy or not - this might qualify as profiling. It's bad and I should feel bad)
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Post by phoray on Aug 15, 2018 5:40:24 GMT
This thread has reminded me that Dragon Age is more interesting beneath than gets to show up in the video games.
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Post by melbella on Aug 15, 2018 12:11:31 GMT
"Scout Pellane, don't assume I'm secretly working for the bad guy just because of the obvious motives and connections. I am working for the bad guy, and it's for the obvious motives, and we have the obvious connections. But you shouldn't just assume that's the case." I don't know about Elan Ve'mal.
She's extremely cagey about her origins (explicitly stating she's not a City Elf, nor is she Dalish), she mentions she's worked for several heads of state across Thedas and if she were a spy, she'd be perfectly placed as her position as a gardener puts her completely beneath suspicion.
(And yes, I know that - regardless of whether she's a spy or not - this might qualify as profiling. It's bad and I should feel bad)
And her WT quest is horrible! I don't even talk to her enough to get it now but if I do, I still don't do it because the best option available is to put a guy in jail for trying to make a living.
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Post by arvaarad on Aug 17, 2018 14:49:12 GMT
I don't know about Elan Ve'mal.
She's extremely cagey about her origins (explicitly stating she's not a City Elf, nor is she Dalish), she mentions she's worked for several heads of state across Thedas and if she were a spy, she'd be perfectly placed as her position as a gardener puts her completely beneath suspicion.
(And yes, I know that - regardless of whether she's a spy or not - this might qualify as profiling. It's bad and I should feel bad)
And her WT quest is horrible! I don't even talk to her enough to get it now but if I do, I still don't do it because the best option available is to put a guy in jail for trying to make a living.
Yeah that quest is ultra shady. “Certain resources of mine are in the hands of another.” Then immediately starts talking about recipes to imply that those “resources” are just alchemical recipes. Sure, Elan. I’m sure that’s why your preferred outcome is for him to be *looks at notes* executed. That said, I also think Dalish is an ancient elf, so I’m at full Orlesian chevalier levels of profiling here.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 15:04:15 GMT
I think in regards to Solas, if there are Elves in an organisation chances are he has spies in them. I already do not trust any elf I’ll meet in DA4 because of this (not even Charter). Can’t wait to see how it’ll affect my playstyle since I usually try to be friends with everybody . Although I don't see the value in the Elven exodus as shown in the Trespasser ending. Those Elves were everywhere and in places useful to him, why summon them all unless he plans something that requires a vast quantity of Elves. Hmmmm. I wonder when was the last time a certain magical ritual required huge quantities of both lyrium and 'volunteers' to perform an audacious and grandiose act of magic. After all we all know how much Solas values life, particularly Elves of modern Thedas. Yeah I was also wondering why he’d summon the elves since that would also make him more visible and like you say, it’s not like he actually wants to save them. You're probably right to not trust Charter. Given Patrick's penchant for word play, anyone named the "Black Hart" is probably up to something bad.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 17, 2018 15:36:21 GMT
You're probably right to not trust Charter. Given Patrick's penchant for word play, anyone named the "Black Hart" is probably up to something bad. Well she's not above blackmailing people into doing her dirty work for her. My Inquisitor would prefer to have people working for him willingly as that is more likely to engender loyalty but clearly Charter has no such scruples. So I wouldn't be surprised if she blackmails our future PC into working for her.
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Post by Iddy on Aug 22, 2018 13:46:35 GMT
What about the Arigena? Well consider me converted Did you know there are Qunari women offering sex services for free in Par Vollen? That's the kinda certainty a man needs in life.
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Post by wickedcool on Aug 22, 2018 13:58:33 GMT
Question related to the topic (hopefully). In have. We have a conversation with leliana at her tent regarding a spy that betrays us. Is that spy an elf? Tied to the charter incident?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 15:08:27 GMT
Question related to the topic (hopefully). In have. We have a conversation with leliana at her tent regarding a spy that betrays us. Is that spy an elf? Tied to the charter incident? That is Butler and it's unlikely he is elven since, depending on your choices, Leliana uses him as a replacement for Rainier's execution saying that he looks a great deal like Rainier. So he looks human, but could be half-elf/elf-blooded.
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Post by alihou on Aug 23, 2018 0:49:35 GMT
We still have Dragon Age's Thanos to deal with, you know, that bald dude with regret and sadness in his eyes who wants to kill everyone? By implementing another major villain, it will steal the spotlight from Solas. I am not a fan of introducing major villains if they're not really fleshed out. I hope that they spend time developing these characters and not assume we've all read the comics or WOT.
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Post by shriekalpha on Aug 23, 2018 1:57:35 GMT
Solas will be the main villain of DA4, but I think he will be more of a background villain until the end. I think DA4 will be like ME2, we will spend most of the game gathering allies and resources to confront Solas, then the final mission is like the suicide mission, where we enter the Eluvian network and defeat Solas.
I imagine we will end up fighting and deposing the current Archon of Tevinter no matter what, and their replacement depends on what main faction we gained as allies, maybe Lucerni vs Venatori vs Qunari. I think we will need an excuse to fight most of the enemies Bioware creates, regardless of our decisions, like how in inquisition we end up fighting both Venatori and Red Templars eventually despite saving the mages or templars. So, Archon Radonis will probably be the Imperium villain no matter what, and maybe we end up fighting Rasaan and a rogue sect of Qunari even if we help the Qun.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 23, 2018 12:40:37 GMT
Archon Radonis will probably be the Imperium villain no matter what That depends. They may kill him off in order to explain the cause of chaos in Tevinter if he dies without having nominated an heir. Then PC has to act as kingmaker in order to stop the in-fighting (rather like with Orzammar in DAO). Also, there is another candidate for the main Tevinter villain and that is the Black Divine. We already know he is totally unscrupulous, doesn't mind dabbling in blood magic behind closed doors and not above getting his own hands dirty in order to remove an enemy. I would imagine that he is up to some very dodgy dealings, with the Qunari threat as his justification.
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Post by warden on Aug 23, 2018 13:09:43 GMT
Totally unrelated to the topic but that pick from this Rasaan woman has inspired me, now I wonder if I could make a female Qunari as beautiful as she is.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Aug 23, 2018 16:33:36 GMT
We still have Dragon Age's Thanos to deal with, you know, that bald dude with regret and sadness in his eyes who wants to kill everyone? By implementing another major villain, it will steal the spotlight from Solas. I am not a fan of introducing major villains if they're not really fleshed out. I hope that they spend time developing these characters and not assume we've all read the comics or WOT. Solas is a bit unimportant in the overall Qunari vs Tevinter War. Think Rasaan/Ariqun more als Celine/Gaspard/Briala Typ of Character with more Screentime.
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Post by shriekalpha on Aug 23, 2018 22:36:33 GMT
Archon Radonis will probably be the Imperium villain no matter what That depends. They may kill him off in order to explain the cause of chaos in Tevinter if he dies without having nominated an heir. Then PC has to act as kingmaker in order to stop the in-fighting (rather like with Orzammar in DAO). Also, there is another candidate for the main Tevinter villain and that is the Black Divine. We already know he is totally unscrupulous, doesn't mind dabbling in blood magic behind closed doors and not above getting his own hands dirty in order to remove an enemy. I would imagine that he is up to some very dodgy dealings, with the Qunari threat as his justification. The Imperial Chantry is a new group that I think we should be allowed to either support or oppose, so I would rather have Radonis be the enemy because of that. Another factor is the Archon already has reason to oppose the PC, he will most likely be trying to maintain the status quo in Tevinter (As it keeps him in power), and I doubt helping a random stranger fight an elven god in the middle of a defensive war with the Qunari maintains the status quo at all. The PC will seek out factions that are willing to help them, factions who want change like the Lucerni, Venatori and Qunari, which makes the PC a direct threat to the Archon's power. Lastly, I don't think they need an excuse for Tevinter to be in chaos, they are under attack by the Qunari, and large political parties are forming that are demanding change.
Despite all of that, I do think the Black Divine could make a cool opponent for players whose interests come into conflict with the Imperial Chantry, I just hope that you can also help and support them if you choose to do so, since they are a new group we have yet to encounter.
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Post by arvaarad on Aug 23, 2018 23:23:38 GMT
We still have Dragon Age's Thanos to deal with, you know, that bald dude with regret and sadness in his eyes who wants to kill everyone? By implementing another major villain, it will steal the spotlight from Solas. I am not a fan of introducing major villains if they're not really fleshed out. I hope that they spend time developing these characters and not assume we've all read the comics or WOT. Solas is a bit unimportant in the overall Qunari vs Tevinter War. Think Rasaan/Ariqun more als Celine/Gaspard/Briala Typ of Character with more Screentime.
There’s also the titan plotline, which is definitely due for more fleshing out. The Tevinter/Qunari conflict is brewing for sure, but there are lots of unknowns to tap into by bringing the titans more into play. As far as the dwarves are concerned, there’s a big flashing question mark enticing them down toward the Wellspring. So they’re likely to start getting tangled into that story quite rapidly.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 24, 2018 7:57:17 GMT
As far as the dwarves are concerned, there’s a big flashing question mark enticing them down toward the Wellspring. So they’re likely to start getting tangled into that story quite rapidly. A companion from Kal-Sharok would be really interesting. They could be completely following their own agenda but just hearing more about them would be fascinating and possibly give more insights into the whole ancient dwarf/Titan relationship, not to mention their history with Orzammar. To my mind something strange was going on long before the First Blight. For millennia Kal-Sharok is the capital of the dwarven empire and then only a scant few years after the treaty between the Imperium and the dwarves, King Stonehammer decides to shift his seat of power into the deep south. Why for goodness sake? The story is they were nervous of Tevinter in the unsettled period after the death of Darinius but that was surely more of a problem for the surfacers than the dwarves. Plus they had established dwarven embassies under every major Tevinter city. The Imperium was some way off from the zenith of its power so the dwarves were probably the stronger of the two at this time. So I'd like to think there was more to the move south than the Shaperate will admit, or may be are even aware of.
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Post by Walter Black on Aug 25, 2018 14:05:53 GMT
Archon Radonis will probably be the Imperium villain no matter what That depends. They may kill him off in order to explain the cause of chaos in Tevinter if he dies without having nominated an heir. Then PC has to act as kingmaker in order to stop the in-fighting (rather like with Orzammar in DAO). Also, there is another candidate for the main Tevinter villain and that is the Black Divine. We already know he is totally unscrupulous, doesn't mind dabbling in blood magic behind closed doors and not above getting his own hands dirty in order to remove an enemy. I would imagine that he is up to some very dodgy dealings, with the Qunari threat as his justification. Given how cliche it has become in Bioware games, part of me hopes that we can't play obvious Kingmaker in DA4. With Tevinter and the Qun being two sides of the Evil Empire coin, not to mention the Dread Wolf's shenanigans, I would rather effective change through proxies and secret cabals Illuminati style .
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Post by MediocreOgre on Aug 28, 2018 22:30:25 GMT
I don't think any of those three will be the ultimate antagonist of the game. I strongly suspect it'll be something Titan-related, but I'm biased. The Titans are the most interesting thing to come out of the entire franchise so far, and I want more focus on them. Kal-Sharok will likely be the Dwarven plot that gets explored in a tevinter themed game. Which seems to be Taint themed, but the Taint and Titans are so unexplored at this point they could be related. But I too hope the Dwarven threads get explored. Solas bores the crap out of me and the Qunari vs Tevinter choice will probably be dumbed down to the Mage vs Templar choice and I am not looking forward to a game rationalizing traditional slavery and police state slavery and then hand waving it all away cause we end up helping the good tevinter or the good qunari anyway and magically centuries old institutions are reformed. And solas cries a single tear, and finally gives lady lavellans some sweet, sweet nerd d, and then negs her one last time after.
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Post by alihou on Aug 30, 2018 6:36:12 GMT
We still have Dragon Age's Thanos to deal with, you know, that bald dude with regret and sadness in his eyes who wants to kill everyone? By implementing another major villain, it will steal the spotlight from Solas. I am not a fan of introducing major villains if they're not really fleshed out. I hope that they spend time developing these characters and not assume we've all read the comics or WOT. Solas is a bit unimportant in the overall Qunari vs Tevinter War. Think Rasaan/Ariqun more als Celine/Gaspard/Briala Typ of Character with more Screentime.
Celine and Gaspard weren't really fleshed out well, especially for people who didn't read Masked Empire. They served their purpose, but these characters are a lot bigger and important than what Inquisition showed.
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Post by Lazarillo on Aug 30, 2018 14:29:34 GMT
We still have Dragon Age's Thanos to deal with, you know, that bald dude with regret and sadness in his eyes who wants to kill everyone? By implementing another major villain, it will steal the spotlight from Solas. I am not a fan of introducing major villains if they're not really fleshed out. I hope that they spend time developing these characters and not assume we've all read the comics or WOT. Solas is a bit unimportant in the overall Qunari vs Tevinter War. Think Rasaan/Ariqun more als Celine/Gaspard/Briala Typ of Character with more Screentime. DA4 will be much better, really, if Fen'Harel is the Celene/Gaspard of the game. Sure, settling the problems of the game mean that you have to keep him from destroying the world, but the world's problems don't go away just because you stop one evil Mage.
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Post by arvaarad on Aug 30, 2018 15:05:48 GMT
Solas is a bit unimportant in the overall Qunari vs Tevinter War. Think Rasaan/Ariqun more als Celine/Gaspard/Briala Typ of Character with more Screentime. DA4 will be much better, really, if Fen'Harel is the Celene/Gaspard of the game. Sure, settling the problems of the game mean that you have to keep him from destroying the world, but the world's problems don't go away just because you stop one evil Mage. Wouldn’t it be kind of weird if we stop Solas? Then we’d have a story where Saarebas tries to tear the Veil, Corypheus tries to tear the Veil, Solas tries to tear the Veil, and then a fourth, currently unknown guy tears the Veil and brings all the magic back. The shadows will part, and the skies will open wide. When he rises, this random stranger we haven’t met, then everyone will see. If it’s not Solas, Sandal is pretty much going to have to come in and fulfill his prophecy himself, because we keep interrupting every single person who gets close.
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Post by azarhal on Aug 30, 2018 17:29:01 GMT
DA4 will be much better, really, if Fen'Harel is the Celene/Gaspard of the game. Sure, settling the problems of the game mean that you have to keep him from destroying the world, but the world's problems don't go away just because you stop one evil Mage. Wouldn’t it be kind of weird if we stop Solas? Then we’d have a story where Saarebas tries to tear the Veil, Corypheus tries to tear the Veil, Solas tries to tear the Veil, and then a fourth, currently unknown guy tears the Veil and brings all the magic back. The shadows will part, and the skies will open wide. When he rises, this random stranger we haven’t met, then everyone will see. If it’s not Solas, Sandal is pretty much going to have to come in and fulfill his prophecy himself, because we keep interrupting every single person who gets close. While I agree with we don't need a 4th person going for "tear down the Veil", I thinkthe "when he rises, everyone will see" is probably referring to a titan standing up.
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Post by Lazarillo on Aug 30, 2018 17:52:18 GMT
DA4 will be much better, really, if Fen'Harel is the Celene/Gaspard of the game. Sure, settling the problems of the game mean that you have to keep him from destroying the world, but the world's problems don't go away just because you stop one evil Mage. Wouldn’t it be kind of weird if we stop Solas? Then we’d have a story where Saarebas tries to tear the Veil, Corypheus tries to tear the Veil, Solas tries to tear the Veil, and then a fourth, currently unknown guy tears the Veil and brings all the magic back. The shadows will part, and the skies will open wide. When he rises, this random stranger we haven’t met, then everyone will see. If it’s not Solas, Sandal is pretty much going to have to come in and fulfill his prophecy himself, because we keep interrupting every single person who gets close. Evil mages just aren't very creative, what can I say?
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