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Post by Merela on Dec 16, 2018 12:45:41 GMT
Source: linkSource: linkTumblr's gonna explode in the coming days, and it made me realize I actually never posted those drawing here. So, huzzah?
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Post by Nightscrawl on Dec 17, 2018 1:27:49 GMT
^ Her expression there seems out of place to me. Why would anyone whose partner is going through that (the Anchor exploding with pain, etc) be having any sort of smile?
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Post by wickedcool on Dec 17, 2018 14:22:25 GMT
2 random Dwarven questions
Sata-kas iss- is this a Dwarven manufactured maul. Looks like Trian’s Maul from dao
Trian- was he trying to kill his middle sibling. Did Bhelen convince him (signet ring). Reading his codex diary entry-seems like a jerk but not as power hungry as Bhelen
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Post by Nightscrawl on Dec 17, 2018 17:55:16 GMT
Trian- was he trying to kill his middle sibling. Did Bhelen convince him (signet ring). Reading his codex diary entry-seems like a jerk but not as power hungry as Bhelen Trian was extremely arrogant, even to not seeing the threat Behlen posed. I don't think Trian was trying to kill the middle sibling as, in his arrogance, he likely didn't perceive him/her as a threat.
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Post by wickedcool on Dec 17, 2018 18:12:41 GMT
The diner ring was Trian’s and his excuse seems odd
Feels like Bhelen paid all except Gorim and Trian to accomplish his goal (would make a great story. Maybe he told Trian that sibling was going to make a move and hand over the ring
The diary makes him seem a little more likeable. Wanting Bhelen to grow up (like an older brother)
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Post by Merela on Dec 17, 2018 19:59:35 GMT
^ Her expression there seems out of place to me. Why would anyone whose partner is going through that (the Anchor exploding with pain, etc) be having any sort of smile?
It's because Cass is lovingly choking the life out of Fjal'. Better for the nerd to die from her strong, loving arms rather than from the Anchor.
More seriously, she's putting a smile on for both their sake. Because at that very moment, Fjal' needs it. He needs someone to tell him that it's okay, that the Anchor is totally not disolving his whole arm and he'll still be alive tomorrow. That they'll get married one day and that he'll get to ask her hand in the most romantic fashion ever with those thousand of roses she mentionned the a few days before. It's a white lie and they both know it, but what else do they have left?
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Post by Sifr on Dec 18, 2018 13:23:12 GMT
Trian- was he trying to kill his middle sibling. Did Bhelen convince him (signet ring). Reading his codex diary entry-seems like a jerk but not as power hungry as Bhelen My feeling is that Bhelen told Trian the same story that he told us, that the other was about to make a move against them, in the hopes that both of his siblings would kill each other. If we refuse to make a move against Trian, then he resorts to having Trian killed and blaming us for the deed.
There was a short demo released prior to Origins "A Tale of Orzammar" that served as a prequel to the Dwarven origin, where you play as an adventurer hired by a mysterious Dwarven noble (who is later revealed to be Bhelen) to find evidence of an important artefact in a lost thaig.
After you clear a path to the Aeducan thaig through darkspawn, traps and defeat a Golem guarding the tomb, Bhelen appears and reveals that his real goal was to plant the artefact (the Shield of Aeducan) for his sibling to find, making sure to leave obvious clues for how to solve the floor puzzle because they are "a bit dense".
After that, the adventurer is given a choice to either flee to the surface or be killed, which you can either accept or try to fight him. If you beat Bhelen, he once again makes the same offer to walk away, but if you persist in trying to attack him, you're stabbed in the back by your dwarven companion, as he was secretly working for Bhelen all along.
From this, it seems that Bhelen somehow acquired the lost Shield of Aeducan (or forge one) and spread rumours that it was still located in the Aeducan Thaig, but having secretly planted it himself. He knew that his father would want the relic retrieved and would send one of his children to do so.
Bhelen may have either stolen Trian's signet ring and lied to the mercenaries about who was hiring them, hoping that either they might kill the Dwarf Noble, or else convinced Trian to send mercenaries to retrieve the shield before the Dwarf Noble did, allowing Trian to win the honour and glory of finding it for himself.
His plan was that either the Darkspawn, the mercenaries or Trian would kill the Dwarf Noble, or else, the Darkspawn, his own mercenaries or the Dwarf Noble would kill Trian.
If the Dwarf Noble had gotten past the mercenaries, they'd have found Trian's signet ring, so when they later were discovered standing over Trian's body, it would look like they'd killed him and stolen it (which is what both Frandlin Ivo and the Scout lied and said happened, even if you didn't kill him).
If Trian had killed the Dwarf Noble, then a similar outcome would have taken place. Bhelen would show up and accuse Trian of plotting to murder the Dwarf Noble, having that lie confirmed by Frandlin Ivo or the Scout (if either were still alive) and leading to Trian being exiled in disgraced by the Assembly, who were already in Bhelen's pocket.
If the Dwarf Noble did listen to Bhelen, but tried to surrender to Trian when he accused them of plotting to kill him, then the Scout initiates combat and the Dwarf Noble is forced to kill Trian in self-defense. The Scout forcing the fight makes sense, as both and Frandlin were secretly working for Bhelen too.
So the TL;DR is that I don't think that Trian was trying to kill the DN, but was more a victim of Bhelen's schemes that would ensure both of his siblings ending up out of the picture and landing him the throne, one way or another.
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Post by wickedcool on Dec 18, 2018 14:08:32 GMT
Yeah i replayed part of it last night Gorims reaction to the shield-would like to know if it was a fake shield /junk like the scout said or that gorim really feels something
I have a feeling gorim was just a true believer and Bhelen grabbed some old shield
Hope gorim survived and is still alive after dai
There are so many memorable moments in this origin and good political theater- hats off the writer on this origin
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Post by Nightscrawl on Dec 18, 2018 14:56:00 GMT
There was a short demo released prior to Origins "A Tale of Orzammar" that served as a prequel to the Dwarven origin, where you play as an adventurer hired by a mysterious Dwarven noble (who is later revealed to be Bhelen) to find evidence of an important artefact in a lost thaig.
After you clear a path to the Aeducan thaig through darkspawn, traps and defeat a Golem guarding the tomb, Bhelen appears and reveals that his real goal was to plant the artefact (the Shield of Aeducan) for his sibling to find, making sure to leave obvious clues for how to solve the floor puzzle because they are "a bit dense".
After that, the adventurer is given a choice to either flee to the surface or be killed, which you can either accept or try to fight him. If you beat Bhelen, he once again makes the same offer to walk away, but if you persist in trying to attack him, you're stabbed in the back by your dwarven companion, as he was secretly working for Bhelen all along. Wow this is super interesting! I never played the DAO demo -- demos aren't my thing. I wouldn't mind this being a short story, or something.
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Post by wickedcool on Dec 18, 2018 15:46:53 GMT
In regards to the maul- Sata-kas iss in inquisition. Appears to be identical to Trian’s Maul. Is it Dwarven?
New topic- Dorian vs alexious views on tevinter. Alexious indicates that non tevinter citizens have no rights. Dorian on dwarves paints a different picture as though dwarves are more than carta/merchants. If the next game is in tevinter how different are dwarves than say their southern counterparts.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Dec 20, 2018 22:12:21 GMT
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 28, 2018 4:39:20 GMT
Posted this in the Dorian thread, figured it was relevant here too. And while we're at it, some adorable Dagna x Sera and an awesome Brosca:
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 7, 2019 17:35:56 GMT
New topic- Dorian vs alexious views on tevinter. Alexious indicates that non tevinter citizens have no rights. Dorian on dwarves paints a different picture as though dwarves are more than carta/merchants. If the next game is in tevinter how different are dwarves than say their southern counterparts. Non-Tevinter citizens don't have the same rights, sure, but dwarves (at least, ones from underground) have a special status in Tevinter society - they're considered "foreign dignitaries". They're not elevated to quite the same level as Tevinter's elite, but centuries of trade and the nation's reliance on Orzammar for lyrium means that the Ambassadoria are permitted to exist as lobbyists for dwarven interests, which is not a consideration any other race gets. There are dwarven embassies in every major city, and the Imperial Proving Grounds are a thing. Dorian says there are dwarves everywhere in the Imperium so I'm excited to see this first-hand! - Since there's so much talk of a hypothetical dwarfmance in the DA4 subforum, I thought I'd post some art/screenies of the closest we've had so far: Gorim and Harding.
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Post by Merela on Jan 7, 2019 19:55:35 GMT
The last one... Though I'm still sad about Gorim. Even after all those years...
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Post by copper on Jan 14, 2019 22:45:09 GMT
I have a question of the dwarfy kind. In the event that a dwarf is named Paragon, their family forms a new noble House. How does this work for a dwarf noble? Would there be two Paragons in House Aeducan, making it an extra favored House by the Ancestors? Or would the dwarf noble start a new house named for the character's first name?
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 14, 2019 23:00:32 GMT
I have a question of the dwarfy kind. In the event that a dwarf is named Paragon, their family forms a new noble House. How does this work for a dwarf noble? Would there be two Paragons in House Aeducan, making it an extra favored House by the Ancestors? Or would the dwarf noble start a new house named for the character's first name? I belieeeve they'd start a new House with their first name. "Aeducan" was Paragon Aeducan's first name, after all. That said, I know when Warden Brosca is made Paragon their newfound House is actually warrior caste rather than noble; I wonder if Warden Aeducan's is the same? So noblewoman "Gunna Aeducan" founds warrior caste House Gunna?
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Post by swbrandt on Jan 14, 2019 23:05:04 GMT
The dwarves I overheard chatting at the Winter Palace referred to my Warden as "Paragon Aeducan." For practical purposes of voice over in the game they'd have to go Brosca/Aeducan because the first name could be anything. It could be an issue where the lore and the practical realities of game development don't line up.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 14, 2019 23:30:51 GMT
The dwarves I overheard chatting at the Winter Palace referred to my Warden as "Paragon Aeducan." For practical purposes of voice over in the game they'd have to go Brosca/Aeducan because the first name could be anything. It could be an issue where the lore and the practical realities of game development don't line up. Yeah, that is a weird thing. Paragons Branka and Caridin use their first names, but Paragons Aeducan (II) and Brosca don't? I suppose to make it simpler they could relegate such references to codex entries only.
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Post by copper on Jan 15, 2019 0:29:04 GMT
I have a question of the dwarfy kind. In the event that a dwarf is named Paragon, their family forms a new noble House. How does this work for a dwarf noble? Would there be two Paragons in House Aeducan, making it an extra favored House by the Ancestors? Or would the dwarf noble start a new house named for the character's first name? I belieeeve they'd start a new House with their first name. "Aeducan" was Paragon Aeducan's first name, after all. That said, I know when Warden Brosca is made Paragon their newfound House is actually warrior caste rather than noble; I wonder if Warden Aeducan's is the same? So noblewoman "Gunna Aeducan" founds warrior caste House Gunna? Interesting, I didn't realize Brosca's House is of warrior caste, but I suppose Branka's is actually still in the smith caste. I guess ending the Blight is more of a warrior thing than noble, so maybe the thing that makes you Paragon determines what caste your House will be in? If that's the case I'm not sure how my more ambitious dwarf noble would feel about that The dwarves I overheard chatting at the Winter Palace referred to my Warden as "Paragon Aeducan." For practical purposes of voice over in the game they'd have to go Brosca/Aeducan because the first name could be anything. It could be an issue where the lore and the practical realities of game development don't line up. Yeah it makes sense that they'd have to do that, otherwise a dwarf warden's new House of either origin would never be referred to in game. I also watched that "News from Orzammar" video vertigomez linked in the thread about Bhelen and Harrowmont. In that they refer to House Aeducan as having two Paragons, which indicates that House Aeducan is strengthened by having two Paragons rather than the dwarf noble starting a new House. Interesting stuff either way.
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Post by Sifr on Jan 15, 2019 7:47:31 GMT
That's a question, we're told that House Branka (Smith) absorbed House Kondrat (Warrior) into it when Branka became a Paragon, but aren't the Warrior caste normally above the Smith caste in rank? Does that mean that Oghren was technically "demoted" to Smith caste when Branka absorbed his house?
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Post by copper on Jan 15, 2019 15:00:29 GMT
That's a question, we're told that House Branka (Smith) absorbed House Kondrat (Warrior) into it when Branka became a Paragon, but aren't the Warrior caste normally above the Smith caste in rank? Does that mean that Oghren was technically "demoted" to Smith caste when Branka absorbed his house? That is quite the title though to be the husband of the only currently living Paragon. For the rest of Oghren's House I'm not sure what the benefit of such a demotion would be though. Just having a living Paragon around to endorse your House's interests? That only works as for as long as the Paragon is alive, and then the House is of a lower caste than they started.
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Post by Sifr on Jan 17, 2019 8:23:21 GMT
Started a new playthrough of Origins with a female Aeducan, any suggestions for who I should romance? Should I go for max tragedy and romance Alistair, only to marry him off to Anora at the Landsmeet and recruit Loghain? I've not done the US ending before either, so should she be the one to take the plunge?
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jan 17, 2019 9:46:09 GMT
Started a new playthrough of Origins with a female Aeducan, any suggestions for who I should romance? Gorim... ... ... Uh... anyway, Should I go for max tragedy and romance Alistair, only to marry him off to Anora at the Landsmeet and recruit Loghain? I've not done the US ending before either, so should she be the one to take the plunge? This really depends on other aspects of your roleplay. How do you see her personality and experience regarding politics? Or how will she react to the events of the prologue, and how might that in turn affect her outlook on later events? If you want to go the US route, what might be her reason(s) for refusing Morrigan's offer? Does that (do those) have anything to do with previous decisions, or the romance? Also, if you want to do that mentioned path of having Alistair marry Anora and then recruiting Loghain, be sure to read up on exactly what is required, especially whether you need to have a hard or soft Alistair. There are a lot of balls to juggle with those choices, so it's best to be prepared. (If you've done that before and already know, then never mind.) I will say one thing, one nice thing about having played the game before is that you can plan a lot out in advance.
[edit] Huh I could have sworn there was a mod on the Nexus to unlock the Gorim romance lines for male Aeducan, but I can't find it...
[edit2] Never mind, I was misremembering a conversation with Vertigomez about it. I'm surprised someone didn't make a mod in that case! Of course, if he's all "My Lady this and that," then that might put a damper on it.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 17, 2019 14:42:42 GMT
Started a new playthrough of Origins with a female Aeducan, any suggestions for who I should romance? Should I go for max tragedy and romance Alistair, only to marry him off to Anora at the Landsmeet and recruit Loghain? I've not done the US ending before either, so should she be the one to take the plunge? That is a very popular scenario for Lady Aeducans, it seems (with or without the US). I think it's a very interesting scenario, and I do think an Aeducan - depending on how you play them, of course - is one of the origins that's most likely to bow out of the DR and either do the US or feed Loghain/Alistair to the AD in their stead. It's really up to how you RP your character. My most recent run as a female Aeducan, I played her as a lesbian who felt shackled by her status, but also held Orzammar in high esteem and felt it was her duty to drop 'em and rebuild the empire, as Sera so eloquently puts it. Being exiled and becoming a Grey Warden was as much a blessing as a curse, because she was now free to love anyone she chose, and her duty was, above all, to fight the darkspawn. She ended up romancing Leliana - being the bard's knight in shining armor, stoic and staid, a rock and an anchor. She appreciated Leliana's political savvy and grit, her warm heart, her soft words. Even if she was convinced she was cloud-addled when they first met, talking about visions from a Maker Lady Aeducan had little frame of reference for. She recruited Loghain and tried to marry Alistair to Anora (she was a practical and ruthless sort), but I think my game was bugged because even though I hardened him Alistair wasn't having that at all after I spared Loghain. So he stormed off to become a drunk. I actually really enjoyed this character - far more than I thought I would - because when people put her in charge at Ostagar, or after Ostagar, she took that as a given. Of course she was in charge, and of course she bore the responsibility, because she was an Aeducan, a dwarf of Orzammar, and a Grey Warden. Her being the leader was as natural as breathing. It was very cool talking to Loghain and Cailan in Ostagar and to have them remark on your heritage - Loghain saying Duncan was smart to search for recruits in Orzammar because the dwarves have been fighting the darkspawn for years, Cailan saying he knows your father - and then Loghain's bitchfit at the Landsmeet mocking the supposed honor of the dwarves. Lady Aeducan dueled him herself and headbutted him right in the junk for that one. I've also played a Lady Aeducan who romanced Gorim and never quite found it in her to fall for anyone else, as well as a Lord Aeducan who went for Zevran (I based him off Korbin the Legionnaire!).
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Post by copper on Jan 17, 2019 15:34:09 GMT
Started a new playthrough of Origins with a female Aeducan, any suggestions for who I should romance? Should I go for max tragedy and romance Alistair, only to marry him off to Anora at the Landsmeet and recruit Loghain? I've not done the US ending before either, so should she be the one to take the plunge? I think Alistair or Leliana work well with a dwarf noble. Aimo's art sold me on Aeducan/Alistair working as a pairing. And Leliana is so curious about nugs and Orzammar, and the Orlesian political game isn't all that different from Orzammar's. I think there's room to do the ultimate sacrifice if you want to do so. I had a dwarf noble who did kill Trian and thought of his time with the wardens as a continuation of his sentence to fight Orzammar's enemies until they kill him. So for him it was a natural choice to do the ultimate sacrifice. In my current game my lady dwarf doesn't feel guilty at all about killing Trian. She also will want to live, and while she's not above feeding her companion to the archdemon, she'd make him do the ritual as extra insurance in case the fool dies in battle before reaching it. There's a lot of wiggle room for roleplay in all the origins, so it's really up to you how you wanna roleplay this particular character.
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