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Post by gervaise21 on Jan 26, 2019 14:00:22 GMT
That doesn't change the fact that she was working for someone who was very clear that he intended to enslave the entire world when he ascended to godhood. He even enslaves the Grey Warden Mages, and either the Circle Mages or Templars, and the mages fall under her purview. It's very odd that she is apparently oblivious to this. One can argue Erimond is in charge of the Grey Warden Mages and might be obfuscating what he's doing with them, but it's ridiculous that she doesn't see Circle Mages are enslaved when she's using them to attack Haven. He wanted to rule but it is open to debate whether you consider that enslavement. Solas would, considering that is what he regarded the Evanuris to be guilty of. However, forcing everyone to worship someone as their god is only what Drakon did when he forced people into accepting his version of the Maker by conquest, or the Qun do when they force conquered people to adopt their philosophy. Even the Imperial Chantry use their religion to maintain the status quo that keeps people in power that seem to do nothing to restore the fortunes of Tevinter. So when Corypheus told Calpernia that he was intending giving Thedas the god it deserved, she can be forgiven for thinking it preferable to the alternatives he intended replacing. She may have felt that they were liberating the mages of the south from their enslavement by the Chantry - it is after all the same view held by Anders and the rebels. Regardless of the time magic manipulation, it was the free choice of the rebel mages to join up with the Venatori. Yes, it was indentured servitude, but that is different to the sort of slavery that Calpernia experienced up in the Tevinter where there was no time limit on it or prospect of freedom after a given amount of time. Remember working to pay for help given is exactly what Hawke was expected to do on reaching Kirkwall, so it is clearly regarded differently in Thedas from slavery, which is illegal in the south. Calpernia was not the lieutenant of the Templars, that was Samson, whilst Erimond did seem to be running the Grey Warden show on his own, so it is quite possible she did not know what was going on there. We should also remember that everything that occurred in the game was really plan B. Even if not a companion, I'd like to run into Calpernia again simply to get her take on everything connected with Corypheus, particularly what was meant to happen if the explosion at the Conclave had not occurred. Clearly that was totally unexpected by Corypheus.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Jan 28, 2019 19:53:01 GMT
I'm not opposed I guess, but I'd need to hear a damn good reason for why she thought working for Corypheus was a good idea. Have you read her short story?
Calpernia was a former slave who was freed by Corypheus. He also made her the Venatori (puppet) leader. So yeah i can totally unterstand why she joined Corypheus.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jan 28, 2019 20:03:58 GMT
I'm not opposed I guess, but I'd need to hear a damn good reason for why she thought working for Corypheus was a good idea. Have you read her short story?
Calpernia was a former slave who was freed by Corypheus. He also made her the Venatori (puppet) leader. So yeah i can totally unterstand why she joined Corypheus.
I haven't, but I already understand her backstory, and it tells me that she's an incredibly short-sighted and selfish person who only cares about what benefits her in the short term. We already had Vivienne, thanks.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Jan 28, 2019 20:13:13 GMT
I haven't, but I already understand her backstory, and it tells me that she's an incredibly short-sighted and selfish person who only cares about what benefits her in the short term. We already had Vivienne, thanks. That doesn´t explain why Calpernia wants to free all slaves in Tevinter.
I personally won´t describe Calpernia as short-sighted and selfish. In her new position as Venatori leader regradless if she was a puppet leader or not she had the power to really chance things. She brought and freed a lot of slaves
If she didn´t have joined Corypheus she couldn´t have done anything. She would still be a slave to her master Erasthenes.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jan 28, 2019 20:22:11 GMT
I haven't, but I already understand her backstory, and it tells me that she's an incredibly short-sighted and selfish person who only cares about what benefits her in the short term. We already had Vivienne, thanks. That doesn´t explain why Calpernia wants to free all slaves in Tevinter.
I personally won´t describe Calpernia as short-sighted and selfish. In her new position as Venatori leader regradless if she was a puppet leader or not she had the power to really chance things. She brought and freed a lot of slaves
If she didn´t have joined Corypheus she couldn´t have done anything. She would still be a slave to her master Erasthenes. If she really wanted to free slaves, she would think harder about working for Corypheus and what that means. Corypheus wants to restore Tevinter's "lost glory". He wants to take it back to a time when slavery was more rampant. It's blatantly obvious that her first priority is becoming more powerful at the expense of others. She may free a few slaves now, but that doesn't do them any good in a world where Corypheus rules.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 31, 2020 16:20:44 GMT
So DA 4 theme is about "powerless characters (i don´t Bioware mean all companions with that) in a world where the people in charge don't want to address the issues of the day". This description fits Calpernia very well and then there is this. I really hope that Calpernia is a DA 4 companion and romance. I know that some people won´t like and will likely comment on this but the great thing about Bioware companions is that we don´t have to like all of them. I know that we already talking about Calpernia in other threads but this thread needs a little push and be more active.
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Post by ClarkKent on Aug 31, 2020 17:07:51 GMT
Deaths off screen are not real deaths.
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Post by vertigomez on Aug 31, 2020 17:39:53 GMT
All I'm saying is I desperately hope Calpernia is a companion, and romanceable, and bisexual because I am very willing to help her move on from Marius. 😎
I just find her fascinating.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 31, 2020 17:42:04 GMT
Deaths off screen are not real deaths. Hrungr mentions this in another thread but the Calpernia Keep tile says only "Fought Calpernia" and not killing her. Also no bloody skeleton like the other deaths so yeah Calpernia always survives DAI regardless what the player did to her.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 31, 2020 17:53:11 GMT
I know that some people won´t like and will likely comment on this but the great thing about Bioware companions is that we don´t have to like all of them. It would be nice to have a game though where I liked at least the majority of them though. But this game is already going to be trash, so I guess it makes sense to waste a companion slot on her. Just hope there’s an option to bring her to justice for her atrocities, and not avoiding even a slap on the wrist like DAI.
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Post by wright1978 on Aug 31, 2020 18:04:14 GMT
All I'm saying is I desperately hope Calpernia is a companion, and romanceable, and bisexual because I am very willing to help her move on from Marius. 😎 I just find her fascinating. Count me in the opposite camp, desperately hoping she’s not a companion, nor romanceable. don’t like her as a character and i’m Pinning my hopes for a companion romance that one of the beautiful human women from the character art is included.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 31, 2020 18:08:58 GMT
It would be nice to have a game though where I liked at least the majority of them though. Most of us already know that you have an unique taste compare to others.
I personal welcome characters who aren´t for everyone. I only care if those characters are interessing not that they are sympathetic to me. What is worse? A character you like but is totally boring or someone you hate but for the context of the game is very interessing. Well i love to hate Mother Petrice but i couldn´t care less most of DA 2 playtime about Sebastian Vael who is too bland.
Only after the chantry explosion and letting Anders live he becomes a little more interessing.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 31, 2020 18:19:03 GMT
What is worse? A character you like but is totally boring or someone you hate but for the context of the game is very interessing. Character you hate is worse, no question.
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Post by wright1978 on Aug 31, 2020 18:20:31 GMT
It would be nice to have a game though where I liked at least the majority of them though. Most of us already know that you have an unique taste compare to others.
I personal welcome characters who aren´t for everyone. I only care if those characters are interessing not that they are sympathetic to me. What is worse? A character you like but is totally boring or someone you hate but for the context of the game is very interessing. Well i love to hate Mother Petrice but i couldn´t care less most of DA 2 playtime about Sebastian Vael who is too bland.
Only after the chantry explosion and letting Anders live he becomes a little more interessing.
See personally i enjoyed Sebastian because the game allowed me to push his buttons even though i disgreed with him (via rivalry) but Bioware abandoned that system.
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Post by Hrungr on Aug 31, 2020 18:39:51 GMT
I'm hoping she's a companion! It's also good to have someone to stir things up in the group. Create some drama among your companions.
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Post by Beerfish on Aug 31, 2020 18:40:54 GMT
There is certainly a Calpernia body (or a hundred) in multiplayer.
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Post by Beerfish on Aug 31, 2020 18:43:25 GMT
I'm hoping she's a companion! It's also good to have someone to stir things up in the group. Create some drama among your companions. A lot of people do not like companions that are independent and think for themselves. They are so used to 'winning them over' and making them good little drones they no longer like characters that tell them to stuff it at times. A couple examples from the last game, Vivienne and Sera
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Post by NotN7 on Aug 31, 2020 19:19:15 GMT
Hehe just like the old phrase some good girls like bad guys does work opposite some good guys like bad girls
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Post by vertigomez on Aug 31, 2020 20:19:59 GMT
All I'm saying is I desperately hope Calpernia is a companion, and romanceable, and bisexual because I am very willing to help her move on from Marius. 😎 I just find her fascinating. Count me in the opposite camp, desperately hoping she’s not a companion, nor romanceable. don’t like her as a character and i’m Pinning my hopes for a companion romance that one of the beautiful human women from the character art is included. I think she's very beautiful, personally. And intriguing. But who knows, maybe she'll have a gay awakening and forswear men and there'll be a different hetero/bi human lady for you to romance.
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Post by wright1978 on Aug 31, 2020 20:34:37 GMT
Count me in the opposite camp, desperately hoping she’s not a companion, nor romanceable. don’t like her as a character and i’m Pinning my hopes for a companion romance that one of the beautiful human women from the character art is included. I think she's very beautiful, personally. And intriguing. But who knows, maybe she'll have a gay awakening and forswear men and there'll be a different hetero/bi human lady for you to romance. That could be viable, though i've already assumed LI slots being reserved for those that want a dwarf lady and a massive qunari lady, so maybe not many musical chairs left based on past history.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 31, 2020 20:41:22 GMT
I think she's very beautiful, personally. And intriguing. I also hope that if we meet her, companion or not, she has sworn off the Venatori and is now opposing them. She also has her own network of loyal ex-slaves which has to be good for something. The fact that they didn't kill her on screen but left her death ambiguous makes me think that we will see her again.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 31, 2020 21:18:50 GMT
I also hope that if we meet her, companion or not, she has sworn off the Venatori and is now opposing them. She also has her own network of loyal ex-slaves which has to be good for something. The fact that they didn't kill her on screen but left her death ambiguous makes me think that we will see her again. Well in my opinion Calpernia is like DA 2 Cassandra before. We all have known prior to DAI announcement that Cassandra
will play a part in the next DA game. So of course we will see Calpernia in DA 4. The only question is what kind of NPC will she be?
Major NPC or Companion / Romance?
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Aug 31, 2020 21:34:44 GMT
I'm hoping she's a companion! It's also good to have someone to stir things up in the group. Create some drama among your companions. Somewhere hopefully in between the Alistair/Morrigan dynamic versus the Fenris/Anders one. Some drama, cool. On the edge of murdering each other...that could get tiresome, quickly.
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