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Post by DragonKingReborn on Aug 31, 2020 21:37:02 GMT
Oh, also good with her being a companion or possible companion if that's what they decide to do.
Romance? Sure, why not? She's got an interesting look and a life full of character developing regret to draw on. Won't be too fussed either way, though. Whether she's available to a specific PC, several or all is fine by me.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 31, 2020 21:40:03 GMT
Somewhere hopefully in between the Alistair/Morrigan dynamic versus the Fenris/Anders one. Some drama, cool. On the edge of murdering each other...that could get tiresome, quickly. And who is Calpernia counterpart? Harding i imagine would very likely hate Calpernia.
Also i don´t think that Calpernia is a big fan of Maevaris who has a more moderate view on slaves.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Aug 31, 2020 21:41:41 GMT
Somewhere hopefully in between the Alistair/Morrigan dynamic versus the Fenris/Anders one. Some drama, cool. On the edge of murdering each other...that could get tiresome, quickly. And who is Calpernia counterpart? Harding i would imagine would hate Calpernia. Oh...for sure. I can imagine it being very easy for people from all walks of Thedas to hate Calpernia. Unless she has helped them in some direct and personal way, she's likely to be on the shit-list of almost everyone who knows who she is.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Aug 31, 2020 21:47:29 GMT
Oh...for sure. I can imagine it being very easy for people from all walks of Thedas to hate Calpernia. Unless she has helped them in some direct and personal way, she's likely to be on the shit-list of almost everyone who knows who she is. Even some of the remaining Venatori (in particular some high ranking Magister) could hate her because of her former status as slave and that she failed alongside Corypheus in making Tevinter great again.
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Post by Zemgus on Aug 31, 2020 22:38:23 GMT
All I'm saying is I desperately hope Calpernia is a companion, and romanceable, and bisexual because I am very willing to help her move on from Marius. 😎 I just find her fascinating. Count me in the opposite camp, desperately hoping she’s not a companion, nor romanceable. don’t like her as a character and i’m Pinning my hopes for a companion romance that one of the beautiful human women from the character art is included. I hope both of these options will be possible... recruiting and not recruiting her. I hope the player can choose what to do about her. Her crimes in DAI weren't small so that is the reason why I hope she's not forced as a companion. That's the most annoying thing they could do.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Sept 2, 2020 9:01:59 GMT
Said it when the thread first started - Calpernia throwing herself off the cliff occurs right between Morrigan turning into a raven to fly away and Corypheus (her teacher) just straight up flying unaided across a chasm chasing the inquisitor. So it doesn't exactly strain belief that Calpernia, a mage, survived. Seems clear that bioware added that cut scene at the end of the fight so they could use her later, otherwise they'd have just let us kill her ourselves. Also the text for the "Fought Calpernia" tile if anyone was wondering: "Calpernia and the Inquisitor faced off in a final battle inside a ruined temple. Ultimately, she flung herself into the abyss around the temple rather than risk defeat at the hands of the inquisition." "Rather than risk defeat" Sounds more like an escape than a suicide to me. She might not necessarily be a companion in da4 but they've made sure they don't have to pull a lelianna and retcon her death in some world states so they must be planning on using her for something. As for what relevance she might have in da4... Contains spoilers for Tevinter Nights The remnants of the Venatori are very much a prescence in TN. Both the naive members who were fooled into thinking the cult could make Tevinter a better place and get rid of slavery, whom regret their involvement; The corrupt and powerful members who toy with blood magic and red lyrium for trivial pursuits and their own ambitions; And the fanatic variety trying to fulfill Corypheus' old back up plots to unleash destruction whilst murdering "traitors" who've forsworn the Venatori.
The message of restoring Tevinter to glory and power apparently drew in alot of different people with a wide range of agendas and now their leaders are gone. It seems there is a power vacuum amoung the remaining members as they attempt to use the cult for their own purposes, some with grand promises of entering the black city*, and while this is going on, someone is paying the Crows to assassinate them.**
While her old faction whose head betrayed her is both a mess and a danger - her homeland is having more and more land taken by the Qun. Calpernia does love her home and wishes it restored and able to push the Qun out, believes that slaves being free and their value respected is a part of achieving that.
*It was on a Wanted pamphlet, kill this guy and you'll walk by my side when we enter the black city, not sure how seriously to take it as an actual plan on the part of the power grabbers. It might just be marketing to get the other cultists to follow them. **I'd consider Calpernia on the list of possible clients, she's had people who mistreat their slaves killed before, and in Paying the Ferryman she intends to "remove" members of the Venatori leadership who won't accept her as a fellow Venatori due to her class. So her having the corrupt upper class Venatori who abuse their slaves, and would have no interest in reforming Tevinter her way, assassinated seems plausible for her. But the Crows are being payed very well for the client to be anonymous, and she may not have any money, not unless she's managed retake control of some of the cults resources again, so that's a point against that idea.
With the remains of the illegal Venatori cult still present in Tevinter; The invasion of that country by Qunari, a conflict whose previous ongoing ramifications she has bemoaned; Her desire to restore and reform her homeland into something great again; her belief that slaves are the strength of Tevinter whose value and voices should be heard; Her being herself a freed slave with no official power, only the magic power she was born with, and perhaps help she may gain from the many slaves she freed - an alliance of the powerless now a network of information. It's easy to see how she connects to plots and themes present, and likely to be present, in da4. So I think it's likely she'll turn up, and as she neither dies nor is captured in any world state, but no doubt always returns to her beloved Tevinter, she could even be a significant npc. I won't argue whether or not she should be a companion because - the games plot is save the world. You can make an arguement for anyone to be a companion when the plot is save the world. It's "they don't want the world to end, cause they live in it and/or so do the things they care about". Everyone has a reason to be a companion. It will be great to see her back (in this dragon age media or the next). I'd even like her to be a major npc (companion or not) and really get to interact with her because that would be interesting.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 2, 2020 10:20:13 GMT
I won't argue whether or not she should be a companion because - the games plot is save the world. You can make an arguement for anyone to be a companion when the plot is save the world. It's "they don't want the world to end, cause they live in it and/or so do the things they care about". Everyone has a reason to be a companion. This is true and you make good points about her truly caring about wanting a reformed Tevinter to stand against the Qunari. With them currently overrunning her homeland, I'd like to know how she would react to that? Would she abandon her principles just to destroy them, even using her slave allies in blood magic rituals, or would she oppose those sorts of tactics and throw in her lot with the Lucerni, who want to reform Tevinter without the corruption in government and abuse of blood magic? Thus you can argue for her returning as a radical antagonist that this time you are forced to kill, or a reformed character herself leading the fight to save Tevinter from itself. Either way she's interesting. I also agree with the comment under **. I initially thought Calpernia might be behind eliminating the corrupt members of the Venatori, until I read that Lucanis was being paid really well for the job. Most of the funding for the Venatori probably was coming from those corrupt Magisters, so where would she get the funds from? Unless she had hooked up with the Lucerni and was being funded by Dorian and/or Maevaris, so their involvement in assassinating the leading Venatori Magisters is kept one step removed from them. Lucanis had been given access to an underground network that could easily have been the slaves freed by Calpernia, so it is possible she was his paymaster. Also that anti-slavery movement that was mentioned and the fact that Calpernia wasn't the only person to be duped into supporting the Venatori because they thought it would end slavery. That has to be something new as Dorian never mentioned it before, yet has now freed all his slaves, so that is another thing to connect them.
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Post by theascendent on Sept 2, 2020 23:17:03 GMT
Calpernia definitely looks like the mage in the 'heist' concept art. At least for me. Notice the diadem/ornament on her forehead and her use of fire magic which was her speciality in Inquisition. P.S. Is the big guy next to her a Qunari? He doesn't have the ears for one, even Sten who was hornless had pointed ears.
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Post by ApocAlypsE on Sept 3, 2020 7:35:01 GMT
P.S. Is the big gut next to her a Qunari? He doesn't have the ears for one, even Sten who was hornless had pointed ears. Maybe he's not a Qunari? The lighting maybe blue tinted and he's a big human.
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Post by Hrungr on Sept 4, 2020 6:32:16 GMT
P.S. Is the big gut next to her a Qunari? He doesn't have the ears for one, even Sten who was hornless had pointed ears. Maybe he's not a Qunari? The lighting maybe blue tinted and he's a big human. If it's not something that was just missed in creating the concept art, maybe he's a Half-Qunari?
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 4, 2020 10:02:47 GMT
Maybe he's not a Qunari? The lighting maybe blue tinted and he's a big human. If it's not something that was just missed in creating the concept art, maybe he's a Half-Qunari? The lighting does make everyone, apart from the mage holding fire to illuminate her, appear blue/greyish so I don't think we should take anything from that. Am I right the guy has no obvious horns? So he is just a big ripped human? Does he even have to be a warrior, even though that would make for a balanced party if we assume the front two are rogues. Still the front guy has a sword, so he could be the warrior of the party and the guy at the back another mage. Why do mages have to be thin and scrawny? Dorian wasn't, although he was a tad on the short side for a human. Still perfect mind, perfect body. Is it not possible this could be the same guy in the other picture next to Undead Bubblehead and he is a Tevinter mage? He could even be half-qunari, may be the result of some sort of breeding programme, who knows?
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Post by theascendent on Sept 4, 2020 18:30:20 GMT
Thinking about it. Would Solas know enough about Calpernia for her to be a threat. She was the apprentice of Corypheus and he probably confided some of his schemes with her (not all obvious, the binding ritual after obtaining the Well of Sorrows for example) Corypheus may have divulged some of the secrets he learned from Solas' orb to her. That would make her a useful ally as Solas would want to eliminate any loose ends.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 4, 2020 18:34:24 GMT
Thinking about it. Would Solas know enough about Calpernia for her to be a threat. She was the apprentice of Corypheus and he probably confided some of his schemes with her (not all obvious, the binding ritual after obtaining the Well of Sorrows for example) Corypheus may have divulged some of the secrets he learned from Solas' orb to her. That would make her a useful ally as Solas would want to eliminate any loose ends. He'd know at least as much as the Inquisition knew, so easily enough to counter her.
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Post by vertigomez on Sept 4, 2020 19:03:49 GMT
Maybe he's not a Qunari? The lighting maybe blue tinted and he's a big human. If it's not something that was just missed in creating the concept art, maybe he's a Half-Qunari? The lighting does make everyone, apart from the mage holding fire to illuminate her, appear blue/greyish so I don't think we should take anything from that. Am I right the guy has no obvious horns? So he is just a big ripped human? Does he even have to be a warrior, even though that would make for a balanced party if we assume the front two are rogues. Still the front guy has a sword, so he could be the warrior of the party and the guy at the back another mage. Why do mages have to be thin and scrawny? Dorian wasn't, although he was a tad on the short side for a human. Still perfect mind, perfect body. Is it not possible this could be the same guy in the other picture next to Undead Bubblehead and he is a Tevinter mage? He could even be half-qunari, may be the result of some sort of breeding programme, who knows? While they could've just forgotten to give him pointed ears, I'm hoping he's a qunari just to balance out the roster a bit. Otherwise that's a looot of humans.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 4, 2020 19:18:26 GMT
Thinking about it. Would Solas know enough about Calpernia for her to be a threat. She was the apprentice of Corypheus and he probably confided some of his schemes with her (not all obvious, the binding ritual after obtaining the Well of Sorrows for example) Corypheus may have divulged some of the secrets he learned from Solas' orb to her. That would make her a useful ally as Solas would want to eliminate any loose ends. He'd know at least as much as the Inquisition knew, so easily enough to counter her.
I also wonder how much Corypheus would really have divulged to even his lieutenants. He was very much like Solas I think, working very much on a need to know basis. So when, I think, Samson asked him where he got the knowledge about the Well of Sorrows, he says from the orb, but that's it and it was probably the same with Calpernia. I'm not entirely sure but didn't he get the binding ritual from the orb? Also, to some extent he was using the knowledge he gained from the orb to give him his god-like status. If you pass that on to other people then not only do you not appear so superior to them but they could set themselves up as rival gods, so I think the majority of the orb's secrets died with Corypheus or the broken orb. In that at least Solas can feel secure. However, that doesn't mean there might not be other orbs out there, for example shut away in some vault in the Circle in Minrathous that was once the Temple to Razikale.
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Post by kalreegar on Sept 29, 2020 9:15:52 GMT
Calpernia in the party? very, very gladly. As long as they give me the option to slit her throat, like Zevran and Velanna at our first, violent meeting.
Still a better companion than scout harding, btw.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jan 18, 2021 22:22:22 GMT
So with Johnny Lawrence (Karate Kid / Cobra Kai) getting a redemption arc why not Calpernia? Sorry for this Thread Push by the way.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 18, 2021 22:52:06 GMT
So with Johnny Lawrence (Karate Kid / Cobra Kai) getting a redemption arc why not Calpernia? Sorry for this Thread Push by the way. Last I checked, Johnny Lawrence didn't kill countless innocent people for starters.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jan 18, 2021 23:09:25 GMT
Last I checked, Johnny Lawrence didn't kill countless innocent people for starters. Well Johnny wasn´t unlike Kreese or Calpernia in a war. Don´t forget that Dragon Age has a medieval / fantasy setting they have a different view on human lives.
Also don´t forget (and i told you this before ) that Calpernia was just a puppet leader and therefore she isn´t responsible for every Venatori crime.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 19, 2021 0:36:54 GMT
Last I checked, Johnny Lawrence didn't kill countless innocent people for starters. Well Johnny wasn´t unlike Kreese or Calpernia in a war. Don´t forget that Dragon Age has a medieval / fantasy setting they have a different view on human lives.
Also don´t forget (and i told you this before ) that Calpernia was just a puppet leader and therefore she isn´t responsible for every Venatori crime.
I don't think Johnny would commit war crimes. Unlike Calpernia. It's also very modern, having modern views on things like lives. At least for the non-villainy characters. Also: Even if not for every crime, she has done enough to still warrant the comment.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 19, 2021 0:53:06 GMT
So with Johnny Lawrence (Karate Kid / Cobra Kai) getting a redemption arc why not Calpernia? Sorry for this Thread Push by the way. i pretty.much think anyone can be entitled to a redemption arc. Also in context of most redemption arcs she's already had one.
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Post by wickedcool on Jan 19, 2021 14:37:53 GMT
She’s a mass murderer who’s a tevinter loyalist. She walks away from Cory because she finds out she’s being used. Why is she loved so much and why would she be a companion
She was willing to see the world destroyed. She’s not a good evil like certain character (Gollum, raistlin ,Arnold terminator).
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Post by Pounce de León on Jan 19, 2021 15:24:08 GMT
Someone remind me who Calpernia is? Name rings a faint bell but I cant remember.
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Post by mattjamho on Jan 19, 2021 16:32:56 GMT
Someone remind me who Calpernia is? Name rings a faint bell but I cant remember. Calperina is one of Corypheus’ lieutenants. You deal with her if you side with the Templars.
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That's a name I haven't heard in a long time
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