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Post by wright1978 on Mar 9, 2019 9:15:37 GMT
Hoping she’s not a companion in da4. Don’t want inquisition agents as companions, nor do I particularly want comic characters transferring to be companions, nor do I find her interesting.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 9, 2019 9:19:13 GMT
Oh no. Sometimes you end up killing someone without intending to in self defence. In fact it is more than likely if you are fighting for your life. So it wouldn't change her general outlook that she will avoid killing if she can. To be honest that is how I try and play my PCs. I end up killing people and animals because they will insist on attacking me and I don't want to die but I don't go out of my way trying to find things to kill. When I was in the Storm Coast I kept trying to avoid the bears rather than kill them but inevitably one would find a way of sneaking up on me. If Vaea did become a companion what I would want to see is that if your PC seems to have a blood-lust, then that would be the reason she would choose to leave your party. Obviously that could not be based off generally encounters but linked to certain plot elements where the PC had the option of sparing someone or simply killing them when there was no justification really for doing the latter. I know. After all that's what happened with Josephine like I mentioned before. She accidentally killed a man while trying to defend herself from them. I wouldn't feel any less towards Vaea if it happened, especially if it was for example in order to protect those close to her from being killed, but I have to admit I enjoyed how she had no blood on her hands so will be a bit sad once that's no longer a thing. Yeah I play my characters like that as well. And that would be an interesting thing to see. I don't think we've had that kind of thing be a crisis point for a companion.
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Post by Walter Black on Mar 9, 2019 15:22:13 GMT
On the flip side, I have to roll my eyes at the assumption that no killing is inherently Good. It shows a depressing lack of imagination from both writers and gamers in my eyes. In older CRPGs (and some of the new RPG Renaissance games) it is possible to lie, cheat, bribe, blackmail, get others to do your dirty work, and/or simply walk away in a "not my problem" fashion, and still technically maintain your Pacifist Run .
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 9, 2019 15:27:23 GMT
Hoping she’s not a companion in da4. Don’t want inquisition agents as companions, nor do I particularly want comic characters transferring to be companions, nor do I find her interesting. What's wrong with an Inquisition agent as a companion?
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Post by Walter Black on Mar 9, 2019 15:34:02 GMT
Hoping she’s not a companion in da4. Don’t want inquisition agents as companions, nor do I particularly want comic characters transferring to be companions, nor do I find her interesting. What's wrong with an Inquisition agent as a companion? A lot of people don't like how the Inquisition railroaded their role playing choices, and would rather have more freedom next time around. I don't have a problem with an optional Inquisition Companion and/or allegiance, but I'd rather it not be mandatory. Especially if I'm playing a character that would rather destroy the Inquisition .
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Post by Nightscrawl on Mar 9, 2019 16:08:34 GMT
Especially if I'm playing a character that would rather destroy the Inquisition I doubt you'll have a choice in this, just as you didn't have a choice but to join the Inquisition in the first place in DAI, or the Wardens in DAO. Well, that is if you wanted to continue playing the game. I know there are absolutely hardcore RPers who, in situations in Ostagar or DAI, might come to such a choice, headcanon that their character said, "Well, you all have fun with that. I'm outta here," and simply stopped playing because their character would not have continued on. But then those people tend to make a different character with a different story that did go on.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Mar 9, 2019 16:31:00 GMT
At least one of DA 4 companions is a Inquisition member. And Harding is the obvious and logical choice. Vaea could be an interessing companion but i don´t see any room for her if Harding is one. They are personality wise to similar.
Hoping she’s not a companion in da4. Don’t want inquisition agents as companions, nor do I particularly want comic characters transferring to be companions, nor do I find her interesting. What about Maevaris Tilani? She is also in the first place a comic character but she could be a fascinating companion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 17:22:29 GMT
nunziodefilippis Do you know where the artist took inspiration from for Vaea? Or why he decided not to go with the suggestion of drawing from Freema Agyeman(unlike with Calix and the other actor you suggested)? As, obviously, Vaea is not black.
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Post by yogsothoth on Mar 9, 2019 17:28:47 GMT
At least one of DA 4 companions is a Inquisition member. And Harding is the obvious and logical choice. Vaea could be an interessing companion but i don´t see any room for her if Harding is one. They are personality wise to similar.
Hoping she’s not a companion in da4. Don’t want inquisition agents as companions, nor do I particularly want comic characters transferring to be companions, nor do I find her interesting. What about Maevaris Tilani? She is also in the first place a comic character but she could be a fascinating companion. Harding is hardly logical for a group going up against a god. All she does is go to places first and can use a bow, and not in any unique way, which does not translate to her being capable of deicide. None of the Magekiller/Knight Errant/Deception characters are interesting enough, expand on the world, or are suitable for taking down Solas. Maevaris is fine, but would likely be a retread of Dorian's story: Tevinter Noble pariah who wants to reform the country.
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Post by Little Bengel on Mar 9, 2019 17:34:13 GMT
At least one of DA 4 companions is a Inquisition member. And Harding is the obvious and logical choice. Vaea could be an interessing companion but i don´t see any room for her if Harding is one. They are personality wise to similar.
Hoping she’s not a companion in da4. Don’t want inquisition agents as companions, nor do I particularly want comic characters transferring to be companions, nor do I find her interesting. What about Maevaris Tilani? She is also in the first place a comic character but she could be a fascinating companion. I really don't see Vaea showing up as a companion in DA4 either. Same thing for Maevaris: if she shows up, I think she'll be more focused on handling Lucerni affairs than following us around. I can see her as an advisor type of character, though.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 9, 2019 17:35:06 GMT
As, obviously, Vaea is not black. She is a person of colour. Freema Agyeman is also a person of colour. Apart from the difference in eye colour, I would say that I can see how Freema could have been the model for Vaea.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Mar 9, 2019 18:05:47 GMT
Harding is hardly logical for a group going up against a god. All she does is go to places first and can use a bow, and not in any unique way, which does not translate to her being capable of deicide. First she would be the perfect bridge character like Oghren, Anders and Varric before who connected the previous game with the new one. Second she is more than a capable rogue. I don´t see a big different between her or every previous rogue companion.
Especially compared to Varric. They are both similar but so were Aveline and Cassandra.
So Maevaris wasn´t really flesh out character in the comics or in DAI but there is enough to work it out.
Same thing for Maevaris: if she shows up, I think she'll be more focused on handling Lucerni affairs than following us around. I can see her as an advisor type of character, though. This is more Dorians job and the possible reason why he can´t join the DA 4 party. I don´t think that we get two Lucerni advisors / faction leaders in DA 4. Maybe its like DAI where Maevaris like Cassandra before accompanied the new hero and Dorian is the new Leiana more precisely a major character.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 18:22:37 GMT
As, obviously, Vaea is not black. She is a person of colour. Freema Agyeman is also a person of colour. Apart from the difference in eye colour, I would say that I can see how Freema could have been the model for Vaea. Freema is a black person of color. As in, her race is black. Vaea is a non-black person of color. Not all poc are the same. They look nothing alike, especially in comparison to Calix and the actor that was suggested by the writers.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 9, 2019 18:36:51 GMT
Especially if I'm playing a character that would rather destroy the Inquisition I doubt you'll have a choice in this, just as you didn't have a choice but to join the Inquisition in the first place in DAI, or the Wardens in DAO. Well, that is if you wanted to continue playing the game. I know there are absolutely hardcore RPers who, in situations in Ostagar or DAI, might come to such a choice, headcanon that their character said, "Well, you all have fun with that. I'm outta here," and simply stopped playing because their character would not have continued on. But then those people tend to make a different character with a different story that did go on. Yeah. With the teaser confirming Solas will be the big focus the Inquisition will definitely at least be significantly involved. Whether we play as the Inquisitor or someone who is helping them has yet to be determined, but we will at least be working with them in some capacity so Inquisiton allies makes sense.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 9, 2019 18:39:30 GMT
Not all poc are the same. They look nothing alike, especially in comparison to Calix and the actor that was suggested by the writers. I wasn't saying they were identical but that there are similarities in facial structure that could have made her the model on which her design was based. In fact Calix is not an exact copy of the actor they suggested. Still it's not worth arguing about.
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Post by Little Bengel on Mar 9, 2019 18:44:12 GMT
Harding is hardly logical for a group going up against a god. All she does is go to places first and can use a bow, and not in any unique way, which does not translate to her being capable of deicide. First she would be the perfect bridge character like Oghren, Anders and Varric before who connected the previous game with the new one. Second she is more than a capable rogue. I don´t see a big different between her or every previous rogue companion.
Especially compared to Varric.
Maevaris is fine, but would likely be a retread of Dorian's story: Tevinter Noble pariah who wants to reform the country. They are both similar but so were Aveline and Cassandra. So Maevaris wasn´t really flesh out character in the comics or in DAI but there is enough to work it out.
Same thing for Maevaris: if she shows up, I think she'll be more focused on handling Lucerni affairs than following us around. I can see her as an advisor type of character, though. This is more Dorians job and the possible reason why he can´t join the DA 4 party. I don´t think that we get two Lucerni advisors / faction leaders in DA 4. Maybe its like DAI where Maevaris like Cassandra before accompanied the new hero and Dorian is the new Leiana more precisely a major character.
I wouldn't be opposed to the idea of Maevaris as a companion. Quite the opposite, I'm hoping for it. I just think it's unlikely. I do agree with one thing: pretty sure Harding's got a shot.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 9, 2019 18:47:29 GMT
What's wrong with an Inquisition agent as a companion? A lot of people don't like how the Inquisition railroaded their role playing choices, and would rather have more freedom next time around. I don't have a problem with an optional Inquisition Companion and/or allegiance, but I'd rather it not be mandatory. Especially if I'm playing a character that would rather destroy the Inquisition . But this just gives you more RP opportunities as you screw over the companion. See, for instance , drunk Cassandra.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 9, 2019 18:47:30 GMT
Whether we play as the Inquisitor or someone who is helping them has yet to be determined, but we will at least be working with them in some capacity so Inquisiton allies makes sense. We also know from the comics that no matter what we choose to do with the Inquisition, it is still operating and Dorian is definitely working on their behalf in Tevinter recruiting people to do tasks for them. So it does seem likely that the plot will eventually involve us working for them, particularly considering how Solas has been highlighted in the teaser and already has people working on his behalf in Tevinter.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 9, 2019 18:48:59 GMT
I don't think Dorian will be an advisor. I think he will play a prominent role, but I see Maevaris being part of our party as an advisor over him. Harding might be an advisor as well, depending if Charter is involved in our party. If she is an advisor, that leaves room (not that there was an issyue anyway) for Vaea to be a squadmate.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 9, 2019 18:49:28 GMT
She is a person of colour. Freema Agyeman is also a person of colour. Apart from the difference in eye colour, I would say that I can see how Freema could have been the model for Vaea. Freema is a black person of color. As in, her race is black. Vaea is a non-black person of color. Not all poc are the same. They look nothing alike, especially in comparison to Calix and the actor that was suggested by the writers. How would you describe Vaea's ethnicity in Earth terms?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 9, 2019 18:51:00 GMT
Freema is a black person of color. As in, her race is black. Vaea is a non-black person of color. Not all poc are the same. They look nothing alike, especially in comparison to Calix and the actor that was suggested by the writers. How would you describe Vaea's ethnicity in Earth terms? I think that's why they are asking the writer about who inspired Vaea's look, since they could use that to try to put an ethnicity on her.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Mar 9, 2019 18:56:16 GMT
I wouldn't be opposed to the idea of Maevaris as a companion. Quite the opposite, I'm hoping for it. I just think it's unlikely. I say only one name Hainly Abrams and that´s one of the main reasons why i think that Maevaris has a good chance. This isn´t a really surprise Harding is too obvious. She basically the new (DA 2) Cassandra. We all know that she will be likely a DA 4 companion.
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Post by yogsothoth on Mar 9, 2019 19:17:47 GMT
Harding is hardly logical for a group going up against a god. All she does is go to places first and can use a bow, and not in any unique way, which does not translate to her being capable of deicide. First she would be the perfect bridge character like Oghren, Anders and Varric before who connected the previous game with the new one. Second she is more than a capable rogue. I don´t see a big different between her or every previous rogue companion.
Especially compared to Varric. They are both similar but so were Aveline and Cassandra.
So Maevaris wasn´t really flesh out character in the comics or in DAI but there is enough to work it out.
The perfect bridge character would be Dagna. She has ties to the Inquisition. She's been to Tevinter and has Tevinter contacts. She has the ingenuity and magical expertise needed for dealing with both antagonist Tevinter mages and Solas. I didn't like the story-gameplay break with the other rogues either. None of the rogues, barring the DA2 rogues and Cole, should have been reasonably able to deal with the threats in their respective games without dying or suffering serious consequences. Aveline was an everyday woman character whose story was about rebuilding her life after losing everything. Cassandra's story was about dealing with waivering faith, both religiously and with the Seekers. Two very different stories.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 19:26:14 GMT
How would you describe Vaea's ethnicity in Earth terms? She is racially ambiguous, so I do not know. It is just clear she is not black the way it is clear she is not white. I personally like to see her race as (South) Asian. So if I had to guess it would be that. How would you describe Vaea's ethnicity in Earth terms? I think that's why they are asking the writer about who inspired Vaea's look, since they could use that to try to put an ethnicity on her. Exactly.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Mar 9, 2019 19:28:41 GMT
It is just clear she is not black You know that black people look all sorts of ways, right? Just why exactly do you think she is not black?
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