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Post by gangrelbeckett on Mar 9, 2019 19:38:59 GMT
The perfect bridge character would be Dagna. She has ties to the Inquisition. She's been to Tevinter and has Tevinter contacts. She has the ingenuity and magical expertise needed for dealing with both antagonist Tevinter mages and Solas. Dagna isn´t a fighter like Harding. Her gameplay role was the same like Sandal in DAO and DA 2. She was our runecrafter. It makes little sense that she suddenly become a fighting and murdering companion. I agree with your points but both also have a lot in common. Not just the thing that they are both the serious female (shield) warrior type but
they have trouble with Varric, have a thing for romantic and lets not forget that they are the most loyal companion in each party.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 19:46:32 GMT
It is just clear she is not black You know that black people look all sorts of ways, right? Just why exactly do you think she is not black? For the same reasons I know she is not white. I would not have a problem if she were black, it is just pretty clear she is not, the same way it is clear Dorian or Cassandra are not black.
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Post by thats1evildude on Mar 9, 2019 20:33:48 GMT
What would a “black” elf look like?
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Post by Iddy on Mar 9, 2019 21:19:54 GMT
You know that black people look all sorts of ways, right? Just why exactly do you think she is not black? For the same reasons I know she is not white. I would not have a problem if she were black, it is just pretty clear she is not, the same way it is clear Dorian or Cassandra are not black. Yeah. Josephine is dark skinned and yet she is not black.
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Post by wright1978 on Mar 9, 2019 21:33:11 GMT
At least one of DA 4 companions is a Inquisition member. And Harding is the obvious and logical choice. Vaea could be an interessing companion but i don´t see any room for her if Harding is one. They are personality wise to similar.
What about Maevaris Tilani? She is also in the first place a comic character but she could be a fascinating companion.
I really don't see Vaea showing up as a companion in DA4 either. Same thing for Maevaris: if she shows up, I think she'll be more focused on handling Lucerni affairs than following us around. I can see her as an advisor type of character, though. I hope we don’t have advisors in the way we had in dai per se. Wouldn’t have an issue with maevaris as a major tevinter npc. I’m still hoping we’ll be independent of the inquisition, even if they are a faction present.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 9, 2019 22:16:18 GMT
You know that black people look all sorts of ways, right? Just why exactly do you think she is not black? For the same reasons I know she is not white. I would not have a problem if she were black, it is just pretty clear she is not, the same way it is clear Dorian or Cassandra are not black. I've seen a lot of people play "I can't articulate why I'm right, I just know I am" on discussion boards. I don't think I've ever seen it work.
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Post by Serza on Mar 10, 2019 13:13:30 GMT
You're arguing about colors now.
Why did I ever join this fucking community remains beyond me lately.
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Post by Little Bengel on Mar 10, 2019 14:33:35 GMT
I really don't see Vaea showing up as a companion in DA4 either. Same thing for Maevaris: if she shows up, I think she'll be more focused on handling Lucerni affairs than following us around. I can see her as an advisor type of character, though. I hope we don’t have advisors in the way we had in dai per se. Wouldn’t have an issue with maevaris as a major tevinter npc. I’m still hoping we’ll be independent of the inquisition, even if they are a faction present. I say 'advisor' as to mean 'non-companion major character' in the fashion of the actual advisors for DA:I, in the sense that you can interact with them like you would with a companion.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 10, 2019 14:48:51 GMT
I hope we don’t have advisors in the way we had in dai per se. Wouldn’t have an issue with maevaris as a major tevinter npc. I’m still hoping we’ll be independent of the inquisition, even if they are a faction present. I say 'advisor' as to mean 'non-companion major character' in the fashion of the actual advisors for DA:I, in the sense that you can interact with them like you would with a companion. Me too. It’s basically a term for the equivalent of non-squad crew members in the Mass Effect games.
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Post by Sifr on Mar 10, 2019 17:22:49 GMT
You're arguing about colors now. To be fair, we've been doing that since the end of ME3.
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Post by Serza on Mar 10, 2019 17:27:34 GMT
*groan*
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Post by Sifr on Mar 10, 2019 18:03:54 GMT
You know that black people look all sorts of ways, right? This is apparently lost on some people.
I've seem people argue with total sincerity that Vivienne (ethnically Rivaini) is black, yet refuse to accept that Isabela (also ethnically Rivaini) is black, just because they don't happen to share the exact same skin tone as one another?
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Post by Nightscrawl on Mar 10, 2019 18:11:47 GMT
This is apparently lost on some people.
I've seem people argue with total sincerity that Vivienne (ethnically Rivaini) is black, yet refuse to accept that Isabela (also ethnically Rivaini) is black, just because they don't happen to share the exact same skin tone as one another? I think it's less about skin tone and more about particular stereotypical features, the idea of which I was hinting at with a previous post.
I think Vaea looks about as much of a black woman as Halle Barry.
That said, all of this talk over whether she is black is absurd. Vaea is clearly a person of color. Whether she, Vivienne, or Isabela -- all women of color -- are "black" doesn't mean anything as that distinction does not exist in Thedas*.
Aside from that, I think there need to be elves of more varying colors. So far, we only have Fenris and Vaea. I don't remember her description, but supposedly both Fiona and Briala were described as being darker in their respective novels, but that was thrown out in the game, for some reason. There has to be that variation among elves specifically; we can't put it down to crossbreeding with humans because that gets you a human baby.
* Here I am referring only to Thedas. It does mean something from a meta perspective for representation, but that is another discussion.
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Post by Sifr on Mar 10, 2019 18:49:50 GMT
Briala does appear to be slightly darker skinned than either Celene or Gaspard, but it's not that obvious because of the lighting. They should have done better to reflect her description in the novel though, where her darker skin was referred to as being something Celene used to tease her about when they were both very young.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 19:01:28 GMT
I've seem people argue with total sincerity that Vivienne (ethnically Rivaini) is black, yet refuse to accept that Isabela (also ethnically Rivaini) is black, just because they don't happen to share the exact same skin tone as one another? Or, because Isabela has been confirmed Asian by one dev, called mediterranean by another, and just tan by another? She has not been called black once, and is clear she is purposefully racially ambiguous as even the devs can't decide what she is. Dorian is "ethnically Tevinter" and South Asian while plenty of other "ethnically Tevene" characters are white.
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Post by Sifr on Mar 10, 2019 19:24:32 GMT
Or, because Isabela has been confirmed Asian by one dev, called mediterranean by another, and just tan by another? She has not been called black once, and is clear she is purposefully racially ambiguous as even the devs can't decide what she is. Dorian is "ethnically Tevinter" and South Asian while plenty of other "ethnically Tevene" characters are white. Wait, was that a made-up example or did a dev actually say Isabela was Asian?
Likewise, since when was Dorian meant to be South-Asian? He has only ever been described as far as I recall as being "swarthy".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 19:32:46 GMT
I think Vaea looks about as much of a black woman as Halle Barry. What similarities do they share besides brown skin and black hair? That said, all of this talk over whether she is black is absurd. Because she is obviously not just like Cassandra just like Dorian just like Cullen. Vaea is clearly a person of color.
No one was arguing that. Not all poc are black and not all poc are the same. I don't remember her description, but supposedly both Fiona and Briala were described as being darker in their respective novels, but that was thrown out in the game, for some reason. Fiona never had her skin tone described outside her being pale one time when she was sick. Her appearance was ambiguous. Briala is described as having dark skin multiple times that she hates more than being an elf, for some reason. Why she was whitewashed you would have to ask Bioware. She did not have her freckles either so it seems her having an accurate appearance was an extremely low priority. * Here I am referring only to Thedas. It does mean something from a meta perspective for representation, but that is another discussion. Well that is the discussion I was trying to have with the writers.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Mar 10, 2019 19:35:12 GMT
Likewise, since when was Dorian meant to be South-Asian? He has only ever been described as far as I recall as being "swarthy". I can't provide a source for this as I'd have to do a lot of hunting around, but I believe it has been stated that they decided to go with eastern Tevinter having darker skin tones. As for Dorian specifically, there is this remark: Source.But DG does describe him as generally swarthy in another post specifically about the issue. Source.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 19:52:08 GMT
Wait, was that a made-up example or did a dev actually say Isabela was Asian? Likewise, since when was Dorian meant to be South-Asian? He has only ever been described as far as I recall as being "swarthy".
None of the examples I used are made up. They were all on the forms/fextralife. I have a link to the mediterranean one but I would have to search for the others Here are some sources on Dorian being Indian coded.
Edit: There is also a tweet from John Epler straight up saying "Dorian is Indian" I will find it when I get to a computer.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Mar 10, 2019 20:30:06 GMT
Wtf is the word "swarthiness" blacked out in that one pic?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 20:43:43 GMT
Wtf is the word "swarthiness" blacked out in that one pic? I assume because it is a derogatory racial term.
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Post by Sifr on Mar 10, 2019 20:45:51 GMT
None of the examples I used are made up. They were all on the forms/fextralife. I have a link to the mediterranean one but I would have to search for the others Here are some sources on Dorian being Indian coded.
Edit: There is also a tweet from John Epler straight up saying "Dorian is Indian" I will find it when I get to a computer. I do seem to vaguely recall the old post where Isabela was described as "Mediterranean", but I don't think I heard the other suggestions put forth about her ethnicity? Same with Dorian, I knew his home region of the Imperium was meant to be darker skinned than other parts of it, but I didn't know he was intended to be Indian.
I need to follow the devs more on Twitter/Tumblr it seems!
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Post by Nightscrawl on Mar 10, 2019 21:00:41 GMT
I assume because it is a derogatory racial term. It is NOT. And David Gaider would not have used it himself if it were.
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Post by Sifr on Mar 10, 2019 21:01:28 GMT
Wtf is the word "swarthiness" blacked out in that one pic? I assume because it is a derogatory racial term. Old-fashioned perhaps, but derogatory? Never heard it having any negative connotations?
But if indeed so, then I apologise for using it earlier, even if only quoting one of the devs.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Mar 10, 2019 21:04:41 GMT
but I didn't know he was intended to be Indian. This is the issue I have when using these real-world analogues. Dorian is not "intended to be Indian." India doesn't exist in Thedas. Using these countries and regions is convenient shorthand for description, but that's all they are.
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