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Post by Blaze on Nov 13, 2018 14:21:53 GMT
a lot of people talk about the dragonborn being stronger, but come on, mark of the rift? the dragonborn doesn't actually have a defense against it.also try playing skyrim in the hardest difficulty and than tell me how "invincible" the dragonborn is xD see it's kinda funny to me, that the dragonborn is supposed to be one of the most powerful beings of their time (or rather, one of the most powerful mortals at least) yet horses and random companions have stronger durability. anyway, at the end, gotta agree with midnight tea, it depends on how you RP them. most characters i play, are pretty average in my head, so the contribution the game gives them about being the great legendary figures that they are, not always apply to the chars i'm playing. In fact, the Dragonborn can become ethereal to counter it. Which makes him/her invulnerable to all magical and physical attacks for a period of time, so the Mark cannot affect the Dragonborn. And you are right that players can RP the protagonist, but the Dragonborn is a classless character and it allows players to build any type of archetype they want. Whether it's stealth-based character, a warrior, a mage, or a combination of three classes. Which gives the Dragonborn an edge on role-playing, because it's not limited to one class and specialization like the Inquisitor. not really, mark of the rift is not a magical attack. it's literally opening a small rift to the fade, becoming ethereal will do nothing against it, if anything, it will be more effective (since it is more effective against spirits as well). try again  not the point i was making when i said RP, but i'll bite. sure, classless gives more flexibility in term of RPing a char's fighting skills, but in term of personality it does nothing. and as far as dialogue choices goes in skyrim, it's really limited. heck, some side quest chains, like say the theif guild, have really limited options to the point you have only one line of dialogue to choose from and you end up playing the character needed for the story rather than the character you want to play. something in which the inquisitor (and any dragon age character really) have an edge over the dragon born. so the edge you referring to, is of one aspect of RP and not RP as a whole don't get me wrong, i like skyrim and elder scrolls in general, and enjoyed playing it, but no elder scrolls game ever made me feel like i'm RPing the character i want to play, while dragon age did. personally, if i have to choose between the ability to customize my character's personality and customize their combat skills, i would take personality any day.
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Post by wickedcool on Nov 13, 2018 16:39:20 GMT
A crossover between the 2 worlds would be interesting
College of magi stronger than college of winterhold Carta and Crowe’s vs thieves guild and Assassin? Tie Dragons far stronger in skyrim as only the Dragonborn can kIll them Darkspawn vs falmer- edge falmer Demons vs draugr? Not sure . Dragon priests are very tough Forsworn vs avvar- forsworn easily High elves vs da elves-edge skyrim Gods vs gods-skyrim by a wide margin
Shouts of timestop disarm etc plus crafting it isn’t even vlose
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Post by Blaze on Nov 13, 2018 19:38:13 GMT
Gods vs gods-skyrim by a wide margin putting the maker aside, we don't know how powerful are all the gods in dragon age. old gods, maybe, since 5 of them are kinda dead, but elven gods? i mean fen'harel can turn people to stone and we haven't seen his full power yet. plus mythal? come on, it's not that obvious till we actually know what they can do.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 13, 2018 19:56:41 GMT
Gods vs gods-skyrim by a wide margin putting the maker aside, we don't know how powerful are all the gods in dragon age. old gods, maybe, since 5 of them are kinda dead, but elven gods? i mean fen'harel can turn people to stone and we haven't seen his full power yet. plus mythal? come on, it's not that obvious till we actually know what they can do. Even the Old Gods are super powerful and arguably on par with the Deadric Princes, as even the least of the Blights caused more destruction than Mehrunes Dagon did in Oblivion.
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 13, 2018 20:32:46 GMT
putting the maker aside, we don't know how powerful are all the gods in dragon age. old gods, maybe, since 5 of them are kinda dead, but elven gods? i mean fen'harel can turn people to stone and we haven't seen his full power yet. plus mythal? come on, it's not that obvious till we actually know what they can do. Even the Old Gods are super powerful and arguably on par with the Deadric Princes, as even the least of the Blights caused more destruction than Mehrunes Dagon did in Oblivion. I'm not really sure that 1:1 comparison can really do much... there may be similarities, but these are different worlds with different rules.
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Post by Blaze on Nov 13, 2018 20:40:47 GMT
putting the maker aside, we don't know how powerful are all the gods in dragon age. old gods, maybe, since 5 of them are kinda dead, but elven gods? i mean fen'harel can turn people to stone and we haven't seen his full power yet. plus mythal? come on, it's not that obvious till we actually know what they can do. Even the Old Gods are super powerful and arguably on par with the Deadric Princes, as even the least of the Blights caused more destruction than Mehrunes Dagon did in Oblivion. oh i agree, the reason i said the old gods maybe not as powerful cause they are easier to kill than the daedric princes. and easier is really in comparison, they are still fucking hard to kill as evident by 5 blights. generally i don't see the point in comparing between two different frenchises, each fantasy and/or sci-fi world had their own rules. but if they insist on doing that, they should at least get their facts straight 
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 13, 2018 20:51:27 GMT
Even the Old Gods are super powerful and arguably on par with the Deadric Princes, as even the least of the Blights caused more destruction than Mehrunes Dagon did in Oblivion. oh i agree, the reason i said the old gods maybe not as powerful cause they are easier to kill than the daedric princes. and easier is really in comparison, they are still fucking hard to kill as evident by 5 blights. generally i don't see the point in comparing between two different frenchises, each fantasy and/or sci-fi world had their own rules. but if they insist on doing that, they should at least get their facts straight  Yeah, really the only advantage the Daedric Princes have over the Old Gods is that the people of Tamriel haven't learned how to fully kill them yet. They're still in a situation like in the First Blight where even though they killed the Archdemon body, the soul would just jump to another Darkspawn and revive them. I agree. It can be fun, like for example comparing different fleets in science fiction to think who would win, but ultimately yeah each one has their own rules. Especially in fantasy since while science fiction tends to at least have some rules in common fantasy doesn't need to have any.
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 13, 2018 20:54:23 GMT
In fact, the Dragonborn can become ethereal to counter it. Which makes him/her invulnerable to all magical and physical attacks for a period of time, so the Mark cannot affect the Dragonborn. And you are right that players can RP the protagonist, but the Dragonborn is a classless character and it allows players to build any type of archetype they want. Whether it's stealth-based character, a warrior, a mage, or a combination of three classes. Which gives the Dragonborn an edge on role-playing, because it's not limited to one class and specialization like the Inquisitor. not really, mark of the rift is not a magical attack. it's literally opening a small rift to the fade, becoming ethereal will do nothing against it, if anything, it will be more effective (since it is more effective against spirits as well). try again not the point i was making when i said RP, but i'll bite. sure, classless gives more flexibility in term of RPing a char's fighting skills, but in term of personality it does nothing. and as far as dialogue choices goes in skyrim, it's really limited. heck, some side quest chains, like say the theif guild, have really limited options to the point you have only one line of dialogue to choose from and you end up playing the character needed for the story rather than the character you want to play. something in which the inquisitor (and any dragon age character really) have an edge over the dragon born. so the edge you referring to, is of one aspect of RP and not RP as a whole don't get me wrong, i like skyrim and elder scrolls in general, and enjoyed playing it, but no elder scrolls game ever made me feel like i'm RPing the character i want to play, while dragon age did. personally, if i have to choose between the ability to customize my character's personality and customize their combat skills, i would take personality any day. If the Dragonborn uses the ethereal shout ALL attacks magical, physical, or otherwise cannot affect him/her, and there is no such evidence that the Mark can damage enemies that can become invulnerable by becoming ethereal.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 13, 2018 21:08:57 GMT
Mine won't fight the dragonborn. She will convince the dragonborn to help fight the falmer, I mean the elf called Solas. If they were to fight each other, the dragonborn wins because of the thu'um.
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 13, 2018 21:12:41 GMT
A crossover between the 2 worlds would be interesting College of magi stronger than college of winterhold Carta and Crowe’s vs thieves guild and Assassin? Tie Dragons far stronger in skyrim as only the Dragonborn can kIll them Darkspawn vs falmer- edge falmer Demons vs draugr? Not sure . Dragon priests are very tough Forsworn vs avvar- forsworn easily High elves vs da elves-edge skyrim Gods vs gods-skyrim by a wide margin Shouts of timestop disarm etc plus crafting it isn’t even vlose Actually the mages of Tamriel are much stronger than mages in Thedas, because the circle imprisons mages and preventing them to become powerful. (unless they converted to blood magic) And mages in Tamriel can manipulate nature, fabric of time and space, summon storms, manipulate foes by illusion magic, etc.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 13, 2018 21:18:34 GMT
With everyone bringing up the Thu'um, remember that the Inquisitor actually has a defense against that: Aegis of the Rift. It would both protect the Inquisitor from any shout and even send it back at the Dragonborn.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 13, 2018 21:31:41 GMT
The dragonborn would win using a bow since the Inquisitor can't use the bow for far away targets whereas the dragonborn can.
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Post by mousestalker on Nov 14, 2018 0:27:45 GMT
The dragonborn would win using a bow since the Inquisitor can't use the bow for far away targets whereas the dragonborn can.
Don't forget, the dragonborn runs the risk of taking an arrow to the knee. The Inquisitor does not.
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 14, 2018 1:23:47 GMT
With everyone bringing up the Thu'um, remember that the Inquisitor actually has a defense against that: Aegis of the Rift. It would both protect the Inquisitor from any shout and even send it back at the Dragonborn. Then all he/she has to do is to use the Slow Time shout to walk inside the barrier and he/she can either use the Firestorm spell, or use a Daedric weapon to finish the Inquisitor.
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Post by Blaze on Nov 14, 2018 2:23:38 GMT
not really, mark of the rift is not a magical attack. it's literally opening a small rift to the fade, becoming ethereal will do nothing against it, if anything, it will be more effective (since it is more effective against spirits as well). try again not the point i was making when i said RP, but i'll bite. sure, classless gives more flexibility in term of RPing a char's fighting skills, but in term of personality it does nothing. and as far as dialogue choices goes in skyrim, it's really limited. heck, some side quest chains, like say the theif guild, have really limited options to the point you have only one line of dialogue to choose from and you end up playing the character needed for the story rather than the character you want to play. something in which the inquisitor (and any dragon age character really) have an edge over the dragon born. so the edge you referring to, is of one aspect of RP and not RP as a whole don't get me wrong, i like skyrim and elder scrolls in general, and enjoyed playing it, but no elder scrolls game ever made me feel like i'm RPing the character i want to play, while dragon age did. personally, if i have to choose between the ability to customize my character's personality and customize their combat skills, i would take personality any day. If the Dragonborn uses the ethereal shout ALL attacks magical, physical, or otherwise cannot affect him/her, and there is no such evidence that the Mark can damage enemies that can become invulnerable by becoming ethereal. you don't seem to grasp how mark of the rift works. it's not a damaging attack, or even an attack at all. it sucks stuff into the fade, being ethereal doesn't stoped you from being sucked into the fade... if anything, considering the fact that strong characters can actually resist being pulled into the fade and just slowed down instead, i'd say the dragonborn is better off not using it, as he will just be slowed down, while if he does use ethereal, well you can't resist being pulled when you have no mass. A crossover between the 2 worlds would be interesting College of magi stronger than college of winterhold Carta and Crowe’s vs thieves guild and Assassin? Tie Dragons far stronger in skyrim as only the Dragonborn can kIll them Darkspawn vs falmer- edge falmer Demons vs draugr? Not sure . Dragon priests are very tough Forsworn vs avvar- forsworn easily High elves vs da elves-edge skyrim Gods vs gods-skyrim by a wide margin Shouts of timestop disarm etc plus crafting it isn’t even vlose Actually the mages of Tamriel are much stronger than mages in Thedas, because the circle imprisons mages and preventing them to become powerful. (unless they converted to blood magic) And mages in Tamriel can manipulate nature, fabric of time and space, summon storms, manipulate foes by illusion magic, etc. how you figured? xD you recon that being in a place where you get tons of books, education and time to study, while barely no contact with the outside world, would prevent people from being powerful at magic? good to know. even anders who hate the circle said it's the best place to learn about magic. and oh yeah there is you know, the archon and the magisters, who happen to be the most powerful mages in the imperium, a place in which everyone with the means can practice (and often does) blood magic to it's full extent? oh and dreamers, who while rare, are among the most powerful mages out there. you know, like the 7 old gods priests, who entered the fade? oh also fun fact, check out spell combos in origins, storm of the century is one of my favorites. With everyone bringing up the Thu'um, remember that the Inquisitor actually has a defense against that: Aegis of the Rift. It would both protect the Inquisitor from any shout and even send it back at the Dragonborn. Then all he/she has to do is to use the Slow Time shout to walk inside the barrier and he/she can either use the Firestorm spell, or use a Daedric weapon to finish the Inquisitor. let's see: lightning flask (up to 100% faster) > stealth > shadow punch > twin blades > flank attack > deathblow hmm...
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 14, 2018 7:37:03 GMT
If the Dragonborn uses the ethereal shout attacks magical, physical, or otherwise cannot affect him/her, and there is no such evidence that the Mark can damage enemies that can become invulnerable by becoming ethereal. you don't seem to grasp how mark of the rift works. it's not a damaging attack, or even an attack at all. it sucks stuff into the fade, being ethereal doesn't stoped you from being sucked into the fade... if anything, considering the fact that strong characters can actually resist being pulled into the fade and just slowed down instead, i'd say the dragonborn is better off not using it, as he will just be slowed down, while if he does use ethereal, well you can't resist being pulled when you have no mass. Mark of the Rift will deal continuous spirit damage and stuns enemies caught in the area of effect. Stronger enemies can resist the skill and may not be killed by the ability immediately. Which does count as an attack because it inflicts damage, and you did not show actual proof that the Mark can overpower the ethereal ability.
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 14, 2018 7:45:50 GMT
ilet's see: lightning flask (up to 100% faster) > stealth > shadow punch > twin blades > flank attack > deathblow hmm... You do realize the Dragonborn can counter the stealth ability by using Detect Life, right? And can use Ebonyflesh spell to protect him/herself from damage, and use the Unrelenting Force shout with Dragonborn force to push back and turn the Inquisitor into a pile of ash.
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Post by Blaze on Nov 14, 2018 8:01:03 GMT
you don't seem to grasp how mark of the rift works. it's not a damaging attack, or even an attack at all. it sucks stuff into the fade, being ethereal doesn't stoped you from being sucked into the fade... if anything, considering the fact that strong characters can actually resist being pulled into the fade and just slowed down instead, i'd say the dragonborn is better off not using it, as he will just be slowed down, while if he does use ethereal, well you can't resist being pulled when you have no mass. Mark of the Rift will deal continuous spirit damage and stuns enemies caught in the area of effect. Stronger enemies can resist the skill and may not be killed by the ability immediately. Which does count as an attack because it inflicts damage, and you did not show actual proof that the Mark can overpower the ethereal ability. aside from logic? yeah i have nothing xD you do realize that if one uses flask of lighting the other enemy might not have time to react? you do realize that the dragonborn can in fact die? you do realize that when playing the hardest difficulty on skyrim, your dragonborn will die a lot? look i get it, you have a hardon for the dragonborn, it's fine. but it's no reason to bend the facts. i see nothing to suggest the inquisitor can't win against the dragonborn. can the dragonborn kill the inquisitor? yeah, obviously, but they can also die to them. anyway, i fail to see the point, you seem set on believing that the dragonborn will win no matter what. good for you, but nothing i'll say will matter, so i'll just leave. see ya!  o/
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Post by Iddy on Nov 14, 2018 11:48:07 GMT
With everyone bringing up the Thu'um, remember that the Inquisitor actually has a defense against that: Aegis of the Rift. It would both protect the Inquisitor from any shout and even send it back at the Dragonborn. Not any shout. What is that gonna do against Slow Time, Elemental Fury or Storm Call? And let's not forget this: 
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 14, 2018 17:49:20 GMT
Mark of the Rift will deal continuous spirit damage and stuns enemies caught in the area of effect. Stronger enemies can resist the skill and may not be killed by the ability immediately. Which does count as an attack because it inflicts damage, and you did not show actual proof that the Mark can overpower the ethereal ability. aside from logic? yeah i have nothing xD you do realize that if one uses flask of lighting the other enemy might not have time to react? you do realize that the dragonborn can in fact die? you do realize that when playing the hardest difficulty on skyrim, your dragonborn will die a lot? look i get it, you have a hardon for the dragonborn, it's fine. but it's no reason to bend the facts. i see nothing to suggest the inquisitor can't win against the dragonborn. can the dragonborn kill the inquisitor? yeah, obviously, but they can also die to them. anyway, i fail to see the point, you seem set on believing that the dragonborn will win no matter what. good for you, but nothing i'll say will matter, so i'll just leave. see ya!  o/ And you believe the Dragonborn will die easily because of combos from a specialization and class abilities, and they can be countered and able to use strategy against an opponent. The detect life spell can spot anyone even when a person is invisible, the barrier spell reduce damage from attacks. And let's not forget the Dragonborn can also manipulate time as well to slow down the Inquisitor, and use the Unrelenting Force, Soul Tear, or the Cyclone shout to defeat him/her. Don't believe me? Take a look at this video. (And this is not a modded build) 0:22-0:44 And the Mark cannot affect the Dragonborn while in spectral form from the Ethereal shout. No matter how you want to defend your claim that the Rift can overpower the spectral form, and it does counts as an attack because it does spirit damage. dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Mark_of_the_Riftelderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Become_EtherealAnd even if the Inquisitor's Tempest attacks were successful, the Dragonborn will still live with the Avoid Death perk to regenerate max health. Also, the Konahrik mask also brings the Dragonborn from near death and release magical energy to inflict damage to anyone near by. skyrim.gamepedia.com/Avoid_Deathelderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Konahrik_(Mask)
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Post by boxofscreaming on Nov 14, 2018 17:52:28 GMT
Thing is, all Inquisitors have the mark, but many Dragonborns never bothered getting the Dragonstone and so never learned to use a single shout. Indeed, many Dragonborns are positively useless at fighting and it's fine to play Skyrim that way, whereas in Dragon Age Inquisition you basically have to build your character to fight - you can't really just spend your time picking flowers or burgling houses.
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 14, 2018 19:05:43 GMT
Thing is, all Inquisitors have the mark, but many Dragonborns never bothered getting the Dragonstone and so never learned to use a single shout. Indeed, many Dragonborns are positively useless at fighting and it's fine to play Skyrim that way, whereas in Dragon Age Inquisition you basically have to build your character to fight - you can't really just spend your time picking flowers or burgling houses. What's the difference? You gather resources from the war room, craft potions, weapons and armor, and pick flowers and mine ore in Inquisition. And both main characters have to have builds and upgrades to fight to progress to the main story. I hardly see the difference between the two if that's what you're getting at.
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 16, 2018 0:46:17 GMT
The dragonborn, easily. But it's not really fair to compare these two due to the differences between party and non party based combat. It'd be more comparable to put the warden against the inquisitor or the dragonborn against the nerevarine. I'm just curious to see who's going to on a one-to-one battle.
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 16, 2018 0:50:28 GMT
With everyone bringing up the Thu'um, remember that the Inquisitor actually has a defense against that: Aegis of the Rift. It would both protect the Inquisitor from any shout and even send it back at the Dragonborn. Not any shout. What is that gonna do against Slow Time, Elemental Fury or Storm Call? And let's not forget this:  And who's the say the shouts won't break the barrier? It's a possibility that the shouts would shatter the barrier or it remains impenetrable.
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 21, 2018 3:31:03 GMT
One of the few builds that can challenge the Dragonborn is the Reaver build. The Reaver is one of my personal favorites, but the only downside is that the Inquisitor could die easily if Dragon Rage is overused, and receive a critical hit from the Dragonborn. But the Dragonborn can take heavy damage from that build, but at the same time the Reaver would take a lot of damage in return.
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