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Post by Andrew Waples on Oct 9, 2016 12:53:24 GMT
www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/VR_Ready_Deal_Radeon_RX_480Config number: 1J8BE4 So, I have a couple of questions. Does anyone know anything about AZZA monitors? Are there better ones that offer a similar price point? What do I need for this PC to connect to my Wi-Fi or a lan connection because that's apparently better then Wi-Fi. I plan I downloading my games. Is there ever a scenario where I would need a optical drive? For longevity concerns, how often does AMD/Intel release new video cards and CPU's? Since I plan to downloading my games are the hard drives chosen big enough? I know that I can probably just delete the game of the HDD later down the road if I'm done with it. So, how is the price for a pre-built? Total price with discount applied is $1661.55. Other then the initial investment, is PC gaming actually cheaper then console gaming?
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Post by mousestalker on Oct 9, 2016 14:04:06 GMT
Do yourself a favour. Go here and price out the components for that system. Newegg is both reputable and has decent prices. That will give you an idea of how much it would cost to build the system yourself. Building computers is not especially difficult, can be quite fun and gives you great insight into your own computer. Also, with a home brewed system, adding additional storage is trivial. By way of example, I have 3 TB of HD as internal hard drives with an additional 4 TB of external hard drive storage. Hard drives are amazingly cheap these days. There's no real reason to ever delete a game, if you don't want to. The system you are looking at is not overclocked and is water-cooled. Water cooling is probably not necessary for that system. Going point by point of your post: I didn't know AZZA made montiors. They do make computer cases. Their cases are ok. As for other monitors, Dell makes some decent ones, as do the other usual suspects. For gaming, what you want is fast response time (<=2 ms). For a LAN connection, you will need an ethernet cable. They are cheap. The computer does not appear to be wifi capable. You will need a card for that. As for optical drives, they are handy if you have any cd's, DVD's or bluray discs lurking about. It can also be handy for burning back ups for downloaded games. There is no known schedule for releasing new graphic cards and CPU's. The hard drive is plenty big for downloads. In my opinion, you would save money and get a better PC if you built your own.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Oct 9, 2016 14:37:33 GMT
Do yourself a favour. Go here and price out the components for that system. Newegg is both reputable and has decent prices. That will give you an idea of how much it would cost to build the system yourself. Building computers is not especially difficult, can be quite fun and gives you great insight into your own computer. Also, with a home brewed system, adding additional storage is trivial. By way of example, I have 3 TB of HD as internal hard drives with an additional 4 TB of external hard drive storage. Hard drives are amazingly cheap these days. There's no real reason to ever delete a game, if you don't want to. The system you are looking at is not overclocked and is water-cooled. Water cooling is probably not necessary for that system. Going point by point of your post: I didn't know AZZA made montiors. They do make computer cases. Their cases are ok. As for other monitors, Dell makes some decent ones, as do the other usual suspects. For gaming, what you want is fast response time (<=2 ms). For a LAN connection, you will need an ethernet cable. They are cheap. The computer does not appear to be wifi capable. You will need a card for that. As for optical drives, they are handy if you have any cd's, DVD's or bluray discs lurking about. It can also be handy for burning back ups for downloaded games. There is no known schedule for releasing new graphic cards and CPU's. The hard drive is plenty big for downloads. In my opinion, you would save money and get a better PC if you built your own. What makes building a PC so much cheaper then getting it pre-built? Once I do get all the parts, I'm assuming that there YouTube guides into building one? Is PC building a one size fits all kinda thing? Is it as simple as knowing where the pieces go to? Like a puzzle? My concerns is that somehow (knowing my luck) I would screw up in building one or something will go wrong. At least with a pre-built I know that it'll work out of the box. Okay, I have a ethernet cable. I'm assuming then that it'll be plugged into my router or modem?
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Post by mousestalker on Oct 9, 2016 15:47:42 GMT
What makes building a PC so much cheaper then getting it pre-built? Once I do get all the parts, I'm assuming that there YouTube guides into building one? Is PC building a one size fits all kinda thing? Is it as simple as knowing where the pieces go to? Like a puzzle? My concerns is that somehow (knowing my luck) I would screw up in building one or something will go wrong. At least with a pre-built I know that it'll work out of the box. Okay, I have a ethernet cable. I'm assuming then that it'll be plugged into my router or modem? For one thing, when you build your own, you aren't paying for labour. You're providing that yourself. There some good guides out there, even on Youtube. The value to building your own is that you get exactly what you want. You have absolute control over what components are used and over any short cuts. Every pre-built PC skimps on quality somewhere. PC's these days are fairly simple to build. The connections between components are largely standardized. Here is an excellent guide to PC construction. Tom's Hardware is an invaluable site for the modder. As for the pre-built you are looking at, the ethernet cable connects your pc to the outside world. One end fits in the socket on the PC and the other connects to another ethernet port, typically a router, switch or modem.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Oct 9, 2016 16:00:11 GMT
If you're dead set on getting a Cyberpower PC, you should get this instead. It's an i7-6800K, Liquid Cooling, 16GB DDR4, 512GB SSD, GTX 1080, 600W PSU, X99 Mobo, Mek Keyboard, $100 Windows Store Gift Card for $1603. Just apply the 6% off coupon code CPESL6 when you checkout. You can add another HDD yourself and buy a monitor somewhere else. Like this Acer.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Oct 9, 2016 16:27:56 GMT
If you're dead set on getting a Cyberpower PC, you should get this instead. It's an i7-6800K, Liquid Cooling, 16GB DDR4, 512GB SSD, GTX 1080, 600W PSU, X99 Mobo, Mek Keyboard, $100 Windows Store Gift Card for $1603. Just apply the 6% off coupon code CPESL6 when you checkout. You can add another HDD yourself and buy a monitor somewhere else. Like this Acer. Well, i'm not dead set on Cyberpower. That being said, I am saving at least $200 USD by doing it myself. This is what I'm looking at: pcpartpicker.com/list/tMKphqIt's just that I'm concerned about building one myself and screwing it up somehow.
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Post by razrblck ☯ on Oct 9, 2016 16:37:32 GMT
I also think your best option would be to pick up the parts and build it yourself. If you follow the plentiful online guides, video tutorials and your hardware manuals you should be able to assemble a PC in no time. For the same (or better parts) it should cost less as well than what companies charge for a prebuilt system, especially if you spend some time looking for rebates and combo offers.
If you still don't want to build it, look for workstation level PCs from Lenovo, HP and Dell, grab one without a dedicated video card (but with the highest rated power supply option available) and get a decent video card yourself. Installing one component is a lot easier than building from scratch and it will save you shelling out a lot of money for mediocre cards that OEMs like to put inside their systems. The extra power from the power supply will give you ample room for one. Also make sure there is enough space for it inside the case, some third party cards can be rather large.
Dell monitors are not bad at all, I support that, but they are not cheap either. Look at offers from Asus, LG, Samsung and BenQ as well, their monitors are usually all very good.
But seriously, with $1600+ you should be getting way more. That CyberPower configuration should cost less than half.
One more thing, if you don't plan on overclocking then get a Core i5-6500 instead of the 6600K. Put the money saved on a better video card (for your budget you should aim at a GTX1070 minimum).
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Post by razrblck ☯ on Oct 9, 2016 16:50:00 GMT
If you're dead set on getting a Cyberpower PC, you should get this instead. It's an i7-6800K, Liquid Cooling, 16GB DDR4, 512GB SSD, GTX 1080, 600W PSU, X99 Mobo, Mek Keyboard, $100 Windows Store Gift Card for $1603. Just apply the 6% off coupon code CPESL6 when you checkout. You can add another HDD yourself and buy a monitor somewhere else. Like this Acer. Well, i'm not dead set on Cyberpower. That being said, I am saving at least $200 USD by doing it myself. This is what I'm looking at: pcpartpicker.com/list/tMKphqIt's just that I'm concerned about building one myself and screwing it up somehow. Ok, get a Core i5-6500, the i7 is overkill for that configuration and is just a waste of money. I wouldn't get an i7 unless you get a much more powerful video card like a GTX1080 or Titan X. You also don't need the additional network card, the motherboard already has a Gigabit network port. The audio card is ok, but unless you pair it with some really good audio system you should skip it as well. The integrated audio on modern motherboards is more than enough for gaming, and if you are an audiophile you have to go for a much better external audio card solution (like a Focusrite). Again, unless you really need stellar audio quality for your expensive speakers/headphones, then skip this. Spend the saved money on a better videocard and a much better power supply. Go for a Corsair RM model, like a RM650x or RM650i (depending on budget). Never go cheap on a power supply. As for SSDs, go Samsung or Intel. Samsung has the fastest models out there, Intel is very close in terms of performance per price. Both are extremely reliable, even the cheapest models. 250GB should suffice for your operating system and I would configure storage in one of the following manners if you don't want to spend too much: - If you don't plan on installing many games, get a single 500+ GB SSD and put everything on there, while keeping an external USB3 hard drive (1TB and up) for backup;
- Get a 250GB SSD for Windows and applications, and a 2TB hard drive for data and games.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Oct 9, 2016 17:50:02 GMT
Well, i'm not dead set on Cyberpower. That being said, I am saving at least $200 USD by doing it myself. This is what I'm looking at: pcpartpicker.com/list/tMKphqIt's just that I'm concerned about building one myself and screwing it up somehow. Ok, get a Core i5-6500, the i7 is overkill for that configuration and is just a waste of money. I wouldn't get an i7 unless you get a much more powerful video card like a GTX1080 or Titan X. You also don't need the additional network card, the motherboard already has a Gigabit network port. The audio card is ok, but unless you pair it with some really good audio system you should skip it as well. The integrated audio on modern motherboards is more than enough for gaming, and if you are an audiophile you have to go for a much better external audio card solution (like a Focusrite). Again, unless you really need stellar audio quality for your expensive speakers/headphones, then skip this. Spend the saved money on a better videocard and a much better power supply. Go for a Corsair RM model, like a RM650x or RM650i (depending on budget). Never go cheap on a power supply. As for SSDs, go Samsung or Intel. Samsung has the fastest models out there, Intel is very close in terms of performance per price. Both are extremely reliable, even the cheapest models. 250GB should suffice for your operating system and I would configure storage in one of the following manners if you don't want to spend too much: - If you don't plan on installing many games, get a single 500+ GB SSD and put everything on there, while keeping an external USB3 hard drive (1TB and up) for backup;
- Get a 250GB SSD for Windows and applications, and a 2TB hard drive for data and games.
Well define many games, I have 5-7 games installed on my PS4. Console gaming probably takes up less space, but I have a 1TB installed on the PS4 and I have 438GB's left. Okay, how is this? For whatever reason I couldn't find the external hard drives on this site so I found one via Amazon. Oh, forgot to mention, do I have everything that I need for a wired connection? Total is 1444.61 without the external hard drive. Is external really neccessary though? pcpartpicker.com/list/kL3yFdwww.amazon.com/Seagate-Portable-External-Storage-STDR1000100/dp/B00H4XH5FY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1476034741&sr=8-1&keywords=external+USB3+hard+drive+1tb
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Post by razrblck ☯ on Oct 9, 2016 17:52:03 GMT
That looks ok, just remove the Intel network card because you don't need it and check if you can find a better power supply (good ones usually start at $60).
P.S. I totally missed the Hyper 212. You don't need that either, the Core i5 comes with a small cooler that is more than enough to handle it. It's also easier to install, so you save both money and time. The 212 is a "nice to have" but you won't see any difference with or without it besides looking at better temps and feeling good about it. These new processors are very good anyway.
P.P.S. I have more than 20 games installed, one of which is Skyrim with mods. Most of them are rather huge, but they are in total less than 500GB. You have enough space with that configuration, but you can replace the Intel 600p SSD with a Samsung 850 EVO 500GB 2.5" and save $10 more.
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Post by House Targaryen on Oct 9, 2016 18:06:32 GMT
I've built all of my gaming computers. You're going to get all sorts of different opinions on your questions so here's mine. I look to the future when I plan out so I buy the best CPU at the time and a good power supply. I have an i7 in my PC so I don't have to worry about any upgrades to the CPU for many years. I have an 850 watt power supply. You never know if you may decided to add a second graphics card or other hardware. RAM, 8GBs is okay you can always expand later. A minimum with me is 16GBs. Never heard of AZZA, I generally stick with well known name brands.
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Post by Lady Artifice on Oct 9, 2016 18:24:29 GMT
Friends of mine are talking me into building my own PC, and I guess I'm going to try, nervous as I am.
But they're going to need to talk me through it every step of the way.
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Post by House Targaryen on Oct 9, 2016 18:36:39 GMT
Its easy after building one. Just make sure you're ground. Static electricity can fry that expensive hardware.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Oct 9, 2016 18:37:49 GMT
Friends of mine are talking me into building my own PC, and I guess I'm going to try, nervous as I am. But they're going to need to talk me through it every step of the way.A Beware! Motherboard, rams and HDDs are very sensitive. If you break a single small part or your body electricity shocks a part, you'll lose some big money!
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Post by Lady Artifice on Oct 9, 2016 18:40:21 GMT
Friends of mine are talking me into building my own PC, and I guess I'm going to try, nervous as I am. But they're going to need to talk me through it every step of the way.A Beware! Motherboard, rams and HDDs are very sensitive. If you break a single small part or your body electricity shocks a part, you'll lose some big money! Oh good, something new to be nervous about.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Oct 9, 2016 18:46:08 GMT
Okay I changed the power supply. Do I need speakers? Are they in the monitor? I plan on using a headset that I have. Also, how many surge protecter outlets (if I'm saying this correctly) will I need? I already have one that has 6 outlets. So a wired connection comes with this build? As I have said, I already have a ethernet cable. pcpartpicker.com/list/n7cbpb
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Post by bmwcrazy on Oct 9, 2016 19:40:22 GMT
Oh good, something new to be nervous about. If I can build a gaming PC, anyone can. It's not that difficult.
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Post by Lavochkin on Oct 9, 2016 19:47:06 GMT
Like I've posted in another thread, when it comes to primary storage, always consider getting an SSHD(solid state hybrid drive), it loads faster than an HDD and is more affordable than an SSD, whilst having a similar amount of storage space as the former(which is more than an SSD). A great middle ground it is.
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Post by mousestalker on Oct 9, 2016 19:52:45 GMT
Beware! Motherboard, rams and HDDs are very sensitive. If you break a single small part or your body electricity shocks a part, you'll lose some big money! Oh good, something new to be nervous about. I'd rather build a PC than do a cubic right angle weave. Every single time.
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I ruined my cousin's PC RAM a few years ago.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Oct 9, 2016 20:00:28 GMT
Like I've posted in another thread, when it comes to primary storage, always consider getting an SSHD(solid state hybrid drive), it loads faster than an HDD and is more affordable than an SSD, whilst having a similar amount of storage space as the former(which is more than an SSD). A great middle ground it is. If you want an SSHD, I recommend Seagate's Firecuda since they are pretty much the only SSHD that still spin at 7200 RPM. My budget for storage is always more than the rest of the PC and I've been completely spoiled by SSDs. My next upgrade will be a 2TB Samsung 850 Pro to replace my 1TB 840 Evo serving as my dedicated Steam games SDD.
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Post by Lavochkin on Oct 9, 2016 20:05:13 GMT
Like I've posted in another thread, when it comes to primary storage, always consider getting an SSHD(solid state hybrid drive), it loads faster than an HDD and is more affordable than an SSD, whilst having a similar amount of storage space as the former(which is more than an SSD). A great middle ground it is. If you want an SSHD, I recommend Seagate's Firecuda since they are pretty much the only SSHD that still spin at 7200 RPM. My budget for storage is always more than the rest of the PC and I've been completely spoiled by SSDs. My next upgrade will be a 2TB Samsung 850 Pro to replace my 1TB 840 Evo serving as my dedicated Steam games SDD. Incidentally that's precisely the one that I have. I ended up getting it after getting fed up with the slow loading times I was getting in Rainbow Six: Siege with my old HDD, where I was usually the slowest loader before a match that was keeping everyone from playing.
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Seagate's Firecuda better than the Blue WD?
I think all of them are garbage.
Also Samsung SSDs are expensive. There are other good brands in the market like ADATA. Well it seems the price of Samsung SSDs has dropped to 1/2. I could have got a 250GB right now with the price I paid 1.5 years ago.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Oct 9, 2016 20:24:33 GMT
Seagate's Firecuda better than the Blue WD? I think all of them are garbage. A lot of the WD Blue drives are 5400 RPM, so yes, Firecuda SSHDs are a lot better when it comes to performance. The only WD HDDs that I buy are the Black (7200 RPM with 5 year warranty) and the Red (for NAS) drives. As for SSDs, I only trust Intel and Samsung (Pro drives only, not Evo).
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